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On April 30 2016 01:33 B-royal wrote:Show nested quote +On April 28 2016 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 28 2016 22:18 B-royal wrote:On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote:
Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
If Jon Snow revives, I guess that means he won't be a member of the night's watch anymore. I think the night's watch will basically explode when Jon is resurrected. And I expect Jon Snow and a few other to join the wildlings. They are JS's natural army for the rest of the story. And yes, I think they will retake Winterfell. What I meant was, would Jon Snow be relieved of his vows? Is he a free man again if he revives? Or would he still belong to the night's watch (his watch has ended or not?) I think you have the right of it but how many people supported Allister thorne? Only about half of the night's watch (back at the voting for the new lord commander) and even less of those actually support the decision of killing Jon Snow I imagine. So if Jon Snow revives, I think the night's watch will indeed experience a schism and an epic fight to accompany it. But if Jon Snow still belongs to the night's watch, he shouldn't be allowed to recapture winterfell.
No. Long story short, no. Thats the whole point of him dieing and coming back. He no longer is binded by his vows. He probably will stay in the north, knowing the battle for the dawn is near. But no, his watch has ended.
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On April 30 2016 02:33 nukem1 wrote:Well, since there is probably no precedent, don't think there's any oficial ruling  ) the words of the vow: " Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come." semantically, I would say that he would be absolved
Though I guess it depends on that last statement; is "unlife" a thing?
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I think if someone actually comes back from the dead the legality of his previous contracts is the lesser news story ...
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On April 30 2016 03:34 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2016 01:33 B-royal wrote:On April 28 2016 22:27 Biff The Understudy wrote:On April 28 2016 22:18 B-royal wrote:On April 28 2016 06:33 FranzF1 wrote:
Jon Snow its going to retake Winterfell, well maybe for Sansa. The Red Lady saw him fighting in Winterfell.
Plus, now they have Davos... so Davos + Snow = Win everything.
If Jon Snow revives, I guess that means he won't be a member of the night's watch anymore. I think the night's watch will basically explode when Jon is resurrected. And I expect Jon Snow and a few other to join the wildlings. They are JS's natural army for the rest of the story. And yes, I think they will retake Winterfell. What I meant was, would Jon Snow be relieved of his vows? Is he a free man again if he revives? Or would he still belong to the night's watch (his watch has ended or not?) I think you have the right of it but how many people supported Allister thorne? Only about half of the night's watch (back at the voting for the new lord commander) and even less of those actually support the decision of killing Jon Snow I imagine. So if Jon Snow revives, I think the night's watch will indeed experience a schism and an epic fight to accompany it. But if Jon Snow still belongs to the night's watch, he shouldn't be allowed to recapture winterfell. No. Long story short, no. Thats the whole point of him dieing and coming back. He no longer is binded by his vows. He probably will stay in the north, knowing the battle for the dawn is near. But no, his watch has ended.
It's not like the vow is any magical binding or anything, and kings landing has changed hands like 5 times since he gave his vows, so legally nobody gives a shit either. Technically the only thing keeping him following it is his own sense of honour, and if the majority of the nights watch are trying to kill him I'd imagine his will to survive, especially considering how much higher the stakes are after the fight north of the wall, would outpace his "loyalty" towards whatever's left of the watch.
He knows all about the walkers at this point, this is way bigger for him than just the knights watch vow. It's now about keeping all of westeros defrosted. If anything, he probably see's the rest of the watch as in violation of their oaths at this point.
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Exactly, the real question is if he still counts as a Horcrux after that.
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On April 30 2016 04:40 zatic wrote:
I think if someone actually comes back from the dead the legality of his previous contracts is the lesser news story ...
Considering the penalty for leaving the watch is death and they already killed him, I doubt anyone is going to question it. And if they do, the response will be “Are you kidding me right now?”
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On April 30 2016 05:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2016 04:40 zatic wrote:
I think if someone actually comes back from the dead the legality of his previous contracts is the lesser news story ... Considering the penalty for leaving the watch is death and they already killed him, I doubt anyone is going to question it. And if they do, the response will be “Are you kidding me right now?”
If anything, the faceless might take it upon themselves to kill jon because he cheated death or something...that might end up being Arya's final task...
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Laws and vows can be broken. Jon was about to break them when he rode out for Robb after Ned's death. Then again with Ygritte when he joined the free folk.
If nobody can enforce the death penalty (who, the Night Watch mutineers or Boltons? These traitorous assholes are about to get dunked), then fuckall. As people already mentioned, I doubt anybody gives a shit at this point when there are more pressing matters at hand.
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On April 30 2016 06:19 Cricketer12 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 30 2016 05:48 Plansix wrote:On April 30 2016 04:40 zatic wrote:
I think if someone actually comes back from the dead the legality of his previous contracts is the lesser news story ... Considering the penalty for leaving the watch is death and they already killed him, I doubt anyone is going to question it. And if they do, the response will be “Are you kidding me right now?” If anything, the faceless might take it upon themselves to kill jon because he cheated death or something...that might end up being Arya's final task...
Ooh I like this theory. It would mean Arya finally cast away her identity and became no one. A great counterpoint to her scene with Jon in season 1.
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Don't forget that Arya hid his sword needle, and didn't throw it away. I'll assume that there was a reason for it. Itcould be key to regaining some of her personality back after becoming no one.
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Any predictions for tonight's episode?
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On May 02 2016 09:21 Cricketer12 wrote:
Any predictions for tonight's episode?
When the dragons start mating Daenerys is forced to make an impossible choice...
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So I guess Tywin was actually poisoned as well (those eyes).
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From 20 good men to half a dozen.
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Oh shit, Theon going home?! That's almost as hype as that Lyanna flashback.
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Balon isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to cross a shaky rope bridge in a harsh rain storm.
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On May 02 2016 10:44 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Balon isn't the sharpest tool in the shed to cross a shaky rope bridge in a harsh rain storm.
I do wonder who if anyone will realize this was Euron's work...
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On May 02 2016 10:19 Hider wrote:
So I guess Tywin was actually poisoned as well (those eyes).
I feel like i don't get the joke 
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Should have used Phoenix Downs instead of washing their hair. Turns out Jesus got this whole resurrection thing wrong too.
+ Show Spoiler +IT HAPPENED to no one's surprise
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On May 02 2016 10:53 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2016 10:19 Hider wrote:
So I guess Tywin was actually poisoned as well (those eyes). I feel like i don't get the joke
He thinks Frankengreg's eyes look like Tywin's eyes after he died, I'd wager.
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