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On April 27 2016 07:48 Yhamm wrote:yes, thank you sadly no mention of the sand snakes  I still wonder how they arrived on this boat^^
The boat was docked in king's landing. It didn't look like the fastest boat. Also, some time may have passed since docking, idk if the raven to dorne was sent from KL or from the boat itself, but if it's the former, it has been docked there for some days.
It's entirely believable the 2 sand snakes took another boat or travelled to KL by land.
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On April 27 2016 15:12 Laurens wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 07:48 Yhamm wrote:yes, thank you sadly no mention of the sand snakes I still wonder how they arrived on this boat^^ The boat was docked in king's landing. It didn't look like the fastest boat. Also, some time may have passed since docking, idk if the raven to dorne was sent from KL or from the boat itself, but if it's the former, it has been docked there for some days. It's entirely believable the 2 sand snakes took another boat or travelled to KL by land.
It's theoretically possible, that doesn't make the scene any less retarded.
If they abandon all secrecy anyway by opening murdering the prince and his heir, why not just do that when they are still in Dorne. It simply makes zero sense, ESPECIALLY with Myrcella being poisoned. The logical thing to happen would have been that Trystan would have been put under guard in the keep immediately upon arriving. That is assuming that Jaimie doesn't turn the boat around the minute his Myrcella dies.
Nothing about that whole scene made any sense.
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On April 27 2016 17:56 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 15:12 Laurens wrote:On April 27 2016 07:48 Yhamm wrote:yes, thank you sadly no mention of the sand snakes I still wonder how they arrived on this boat^^ The boat was docked in king's landing. It didn't look like the fastest boat. Also, some time may have passed since docking, idk if the raven to dorne was sent from KL or from the boat itself, but if it's the former, it has been docked there for some days. It's entirely believable the 2 sand snakes took another boat or travelled to KL by land. It's theoretically possible, that doesn't make the scene any less retarded. If they abandon all secrecy anyway by opening murdering the prince and his heir, why not just do that when they are still in Dorne. It simply makes zero sense, ESPECIALLY with Myrcella being poisoned. The logical thing to happen would have been that Trystan would have been put under guard in the keep immediately upon arriving. That is assuming that Jaimie doesn't turn the boat around the minute his Myrcella dies. Nothing about that whole scene made any sense.
Not only does it not make sense, it makes for a far less interesting story. Imagine what they could have done with the Lannisters having Trystan. Cersei would probably want to kill him, Jaime would want to spare him, there might be deals with Dorne etc.. Simply killing him off is just an easy way out. Looks like they're ditching the whole Dorne storyline. I mean what is left? Just the sand snakes and the bitch woman, the most one dimensional characters around, theres no interesting story there.
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On April 27 2016 14:31 Hier wrote:
The "non-combat soldier" card gets overplayed here. Everyone thinks that unless it's a main character nobody even knows which end to hold the sword by. That is one of Ramsey's guards, and Pod served a drunk nobody before being forced onto Tyrion. Most of his duties consisting of pouring wine and helping put on armour. Trained with Brienne? They were on the road with a specific objective, they did not have the calories or time to waste on any prolonged training. At most Brienne might have given him is a couple of drills, in the same way a martial artist can show a newbie a couple of submission tricks; does not mean that guy can instantly spar with UFC fighters. Further, the combat was mounted, which requires not just a high amount of skill, but a great deal of strength. Pod is pretty much still a kid. There's no argument as to who of the two fighters was the favourite. For him to just charge in without a helmet or gloves, and Brienne being totally cool with it is compete silliness.
We know he wasn't a good soldier because podrick wrecked him with a bunch of flimsy horseback blows, and then proceeded to completely fail vs the next guy too. These guys were dog handlers and scouts, they were looking for a pair of unarmed, underdressed and probably freezing to death girl and broken man. They were hardly expecting to run into a fully trained knight and her squire.
The "hiding" was a bit pantomime though.
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Hmm, I might be mistaken but doesn't a wide shot before showing prince in the closed quarters of the ship show the ship itself to be docked in front of Kings Landing?
But even it doesn't, Jaime sending him home after having his daughter murdered by a Dorne (he can't know for sure whether Doran had something with that or not) makes no sense. Or makes Jaime a complete retard.
Thinking about it, the only reasonable things to do in this scenario (undocking from Dorne and seeing Myrcella get sick and die) is:
* assume Doran had nothing to do with it, but Snakes acted on their own. Send a raven from boat to Doran informing him about this or return with the ship, dock and send someone to inform Doran
* kill the prince as revenge
* bring the prince in KL and held him captive so you have a card against Dorne
Losing a daughter to martells and then sending their most valuable family member back to safety makes zero sense.
Plus, if Snakes were ready to blatantly kill a king only few days after ship undocked, why wouldn't they just openly kill myrcella, prince, king and jaime (since they hate lanisters)? Letting lannister go away while knowing in few days you will kill everyone who is against you, makes no sense again.
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On April 27 2016 18:46 Odoakar wrote:Hmm, I might be mistaken but doesn't a wide shot before showing prince in the closed quarters of the ship show the ship to be docked in front of Kings Landing?
Yes the ship was clearly shown to be in Kings landing, the exact same shot as when Jaime arrived.
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On April 27 2016 18:49 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 18:46 Odoakar wrote:Hmm, I might be mistaken but doesn't a wide shot before showing prince in the closed quarters of the ship show the ship to be docked in front of Kings Landing? Yes the ship was clearly shown to be in Kings landing, the exact same shot as when Jaime arrived.
Ah, thanks, thoughts so.
So their 'clarification' of that scene is even more pitiful now. They should just admit they don't know shit about writing and just wing everything till they end the show.
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I think it's obvious they decided to scrap the whole Dorne plotline so they kinda "retconned" the whole thing? I mean during last season everyone said the Dorne sideshow looked completely out of place, surely they heard the feedback and probably agreed.
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On April 27 2016 18:07 solidbebe wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 17:56 zatic wrote:On April 27 2016 15:12 Laurens wrote:On April 27 2016 07:48 Yhamm wrote:yes, thank you sadly no mention of the sand snakes I still wonder how they arrived on this boat^^ The boat was docked in king's landing. It didn't look like the fastest boat. Also, some time may have passed since docking, idk if the raven to dorne was sent from KL or from the boat itself, but if it's the former, it has been docked there for some days. It's entirely believable the 2 sand snakes took another boat or travelled to KL by land. It's theoretically possible, that doesn't make the scene any less retarded. If they abandon all secrecy anyway by opening murdering the prince and his heir, why not just do that when they are still in Dorne. It simply makes zero sense, ESPECIALLY with Myrcella being poisoned. The logical thing to happen would have been that Trystan would have been put under guard in the keep immediately upon arriving. That is assuming that Jaimie doesn't turn the boat around the minute his Myrcella dies. Nothing about that whole scene made any sense. Not only does it not make sense, it makes for a far less interesting story. Imagine what they could have done with the Lannisters having Trystan. Cersei would probably want to kill him, Jaime would want to spare him, there might be deals with Dorne etc.. Simply killing him off is just an easy way out. Looks like they're ditching the whole Dorne storyline. I mean what is left? Just the sand snakes and the bitch woman, the most one dimensional characters around, theres no interesting story there.
What value does Trystan have? With his father dead there is no-one in Dorne who would want him back.
One other thing, how are the Sand Snakes actually going to get the throne of Dorne?
None of the Sand Snakes have any family or blood ties to Doran or Trystan so they have no claim.
Likely they'll just take it anyway as a coup though I'm interested to see if they'll do anything with that.
I did find it odd that Jaime didn't immediately turn the boat around, though it *is* possible he figured he'd get surrounded en masse and killed if he did and he wanted to bring Myrcella back to Cersei. Whilst feasible that the Sand Snakes caught up to Trystan's boat, it should've been explained or shown. (e.g. "Trystan: How did you get here? Snakes: We have boats too")
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Wasn't Trystane painting those rocks you put on dead man's eyes during a funeral before he was killed ? Why would he do that if he was on his way back to Dorne?
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On April 27 2016 20:19 Sent. wrote:
Wasn't Trystane painting those rocks you put on dead man's eyes during a funeral before he was killed ? Why would he do that if he was on his way back to Dorne?
For Myrcella, the love of his life who just died? That'd be my guess.
I'm pretty sure the ship is still docked in KL when he dies.
On April 27 2016 17:56 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 15:12 Laurens wrote:On April 27 2016 07:48 Yhamm wrote:yes, thank you sadly no mention of the sand snakes I still wonder how they arrived on this boat^^ The boat was docked in king's landing. It didn't look like the fastest boat. Also, some time may have passed since docking, idk if the raven to dorne was sent from KL or from the boat itself, but if it's the former, it has been docked there for some days. It's entirely believable the 2 sand snakes took another boat or travelled to KL by land. It's theoretically possible, that doesn't make the scene any less retarded. If they abandon all secrecy anyway by opening murdering the prince and his heir, why not just do that when they are still in Dorne. It simply makes zero sense, ESPECIALLY with Myrcella being poisoned. The logical thing to happen would have been that Trystan would have been put under guard in the keep immediately upon arriving. That is assuming that Jaimie doesn't turn the boat around the minute his Myrcella dies. Nothing about that whole scene made any sense.
Maybe they were afraid of Jaime? He has some good rep as a fighter. Jaime + Hotah + Bronn may have been too much to handle for 3 sand snakes.
It's also not 100% sure they abandon secrecy imo. They sneakily killed Myrcella and Trystane. They didn't "openly" kill the prince imo. Only his personal guard witnessed it. There's certainly more secrecy than starting a slaughter on the docks.
We'll see how it continues from there. I don't find the scenes that bad, other than a mighty warrior like Hotah dying like that. Sand snake lines + delivery were 300% better than season 5.
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On April 27 2016 14:31 Hier wrote:
The "non-combat soldier" card gets overplayed here. Everyone thinks that unless it's a main character nobody even knows which end to hold the sword by. That is one of Ramsey's guards, and Pod served a drunk nobody before being forced onto Tyrion. Most of his duties consisting of pouring wine and helping put on armour. Trained with Brienne? They were on the road with a specific objective, they did not have the calories or time to waste on any prolonged training. At most Brienne might have given him is a couple of drills, in the same way a martial artist can show a newbie a couple of submission tricks; does not mean that guy can instantly spar with UFC fighters. Further, the combat was mounted, which requires not just a high amount of skill, but a great deal of strength. Pod is pretty much still a kid. There's no argument as to who of the two fighters was the favourite. For him to just charge in without a helmet or gloves, and Brienne being totally cool with it is compete silliness.
pod is a squire, but still a high born from a powerful family, so he pretty much was taught how to fight from the moment he could stand up. He's young and out of shape so he's pretty bad at it, but still
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Pod also survived the battle of the Blackwater(Stannis invading Kings Landing) so there is a precedent to him being at least somewhat competent in a fight.
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In the Theon/Sansa scene, when Brienne arrives, what happened to the dogs?
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Used as food most likely.
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On April 27 2016 22:00 Souldivnr wrote:
In the Theon/Sansa scene, when Brienne arrives, what happened to the dogs?
They vanished, why? I donno. Probably because they didn't want to show Brienne cutting down a bunch of dogs.
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On April 27 2016 22:52 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 22:00 Souldivnr wrote:
In the Theon/Sansa scene, when Brienne arrives, what happened to the dogs? They vanished, why? I donno. Probably because they didn't want to show Brienne cutting down a bunch of dogs.
GoT, the series where burning innocent children alive is ok but killing vicious dogs is too much.
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Maybe when you are charged by 2 knights on horses, the dogs run away.
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On April 27 2016 18:52 Odoakar wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2016 18:49 Gorsameth wrote:On April 27 2016 18:46 Odoakar wrote:Hmm, I might be mistaken but doesn't a wide shot before showing prince in the closed quarters of the ship show the ship to be docked in front of Kings Landing? Yes the ship was clearly shown to be in Kings landing, the exact same shot as when Jaime arrived. Ah, thanks, thoughts so. So their 'clarification' of that scene is even more pitiful now. They should just admit they don't know shit about writing and just wing everything till they end the show.
ROFL what a idiotic thing to say, Hardhome is my response
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