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On April 22 2014 10:30 Nesserev wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 10:14 Djzapz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I haven't read the book and made reference to an article which is readily available on the web discussing the television series. Being a person who watches the TV show, I sometimes read those articles which make the odd reference to the book... Admittedly I should have known that TL wouldn't take even the slightest, most reasonable step away from the rule, but there you go, that's me, rebellious as always, incapable of behaving myself when it comes down to the strictest rules which baffle me when they're enforced. I've been known to drive slightly above the speed limit and even then I don't get pulled over!
Anyway, my intentions were good. If any of you are half as interested in the show as I am, then I figured that some of you might be interested in its production and what source material said about things which have previously aired. Won't do it again, sorry dad. Next time, you can post your thoughts in the TV/BOOK thread for Game of Thrones, and post a link to your post (of course with a warning, and maybe a brief summary) in this thread. Even though the rule wasn't made with cases like your post in mind, it's there for a reason, and there shouldn't be any ambiguity regarding it, for a good reason. Just suck it up 
*single tear*
I understand that there's the other thread but I myself haven't read the book so I can't really go there without risking spoiling myself with the future events. Anyway, sucking it up now.
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On April 22 2014 10:13 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:44 Djzapz wrote:
dumb rules business forced me to edit it out. Maybe you should just discuss this in the other thread instead of blaming the rules? Smart Edit btw 
So, um, I guess my post disappeared since I quoted him or something?
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Oh yeah, sorry about that. I was only going to remove the spoiler, but then I fucked it up
Enough spoiler talk though, get back to enjoying the show!
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Just popping in to say I really thought this was a bit of a slow episode, I thought it was funny when the hound ended up punching the dude in the face and stealing his silver
and man that wildling ambush was brutal
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On April 22 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros. Then what is the point of littlefinger?
Littlefinger has every reason to want Tyrion dead so everyone would get what they want I guess.
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On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros.
Joffrey was a psychopath and a shitty king. I don't think his legitimacy had anything to do with it.
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On April 22 2014 10:22 Hier wrote:
Well I guess it's fairly obvious now that either Littlefinger killed Joffrey, for reasons unknown, or is working directly with the assassin.
As an aside, Aidan Gillen's (Littlefinger) voice acting has been getting more and more ridiculous. In season 1 he often had a soft whisper, intermixed with an occasionally excited, yet natural, voice. After that it started turning more gruff with completely over-the-top line delivery, stretching vowels here and there unnecessarily; in season 3 it started to get distracting.
Now he sounds like a cross between Christian Bale's Batman and Futurama's Calculon.
I noticed that too. The whole time on the boat, I was wondering why he (the actor) was trying to make his voice sound deeper.
Maybe it was supposed to add to how he'd revealed himself to be ruthless to Sansa instead of being all soft-spoken and charming like he'd presented himself to her before. That is, he's supposed to sound more threatening and gruff, instead of friendly and nice. It didn't really come off well if that was the intent though.
I'm sure there's a Batman joke hidden in here somewhere, but I'm too tired to think of it right now.
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On April 22 2014 12:43 Mr. Wiggles wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 10:22 Hier wrote:
Well I guess it's fairly obvious now that either Littlefinger killed Joffrey, for reasons unknown, or is working directly with the assassin.
As an aside, Aidan Gillen's (Littlefinger) voice acting has been getting more and more ridiculous. In season 1 he often had a soft whisper, intermixed with an occasionally excited, yet natural, voice. After that it started turning more gruff with completely over-the-top line delivery, stretching vowels here and there unnecessarily; in season 3 it started to get distracting.
Now he sounds like a cross between Christian Bale's Batman and Futurama's Calculon. I noticed that too. The whole time on the boat, I was wondering why he (the actor) was trying to make his voice sound deeper. Maybe it was supposed to add to how he'd revealed himself to be ruthless to Sansa instead of being all soft-spoken and charming like he'd presented himself to her before. That is, he's supposed to sound more threatening and gruff, instead of friendly and nice. It didn't really come off well if that was the intent though. I'm sure there's a Batman joke hidden in here somewhere, but I'm too tired to think of it right now.
I'm kinda hoping it gets progressively more over-the-top. It's already funny, any more would be hilarious.
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Voices are very important for interpreting the show correctly. His tone makes him appear all the more mysterious and scheming, despite it not coming off perfect. Imagine if he sounded like Mr. Rogers (won't you be my neighbor) and had the same lines/scenes in the show. Similarly with Batman; although Christian Bale made it sound comical at times, if he used his normal voice and normal personality I guarantee you that it wouldn't have been convincing at all without the contrast and elemental aspect of "Batman."
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On April 22 2014 13:07 CatfooD wrote:
Voices are very important for interpreting the show correctly. His tone makes him appear all the more mysterious and scheming, despite it not coming off perfect. Imagine if he sounded like Mr. Rogers (won't you be my neighbor) and had the same lines/scenes in the show. Similarly with Batman; although Christian Bale made it sound comical at times, if he used his normal voice and normal personality I guarantee you that it wouldn't have been convincing at all without the contrast and elemental aspect of "Batman."
uh yeah, but part of acting and directing is finding the right balance. its what an actor does and is paid to do. the problem with baelish is that he is a central character and used for a ton of advertisements/promotional, so hopefully he tones it down a bit.
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On April 22 2014 12:37 Mindcrime wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros. Joffrey was a psychopath and a shitty king. I don't think his legitimacy had anything to do with it.
You cant possibly think Olenna would risk getting caught to kill Joffrey just because he was a psychopath and a shitty king.
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On April 22 2014 12:19 Aveng3r wrote:
Just popping in to say I really thought this was a bit of a slow episode, I thought it was funny when the hound ended up punching the dude in the face and stealing his silver
and man that wildling ambush was brutal
Yeah I agree that the pacing was slower than normal. However there were certainly some significant events. Jaime and Cersei's relationship is certainly changed, Tywin has his new protege, Tyrion's trial, etc. I also thought Littlefinger "rescuing" Sansa was certainly noteworthy and interesting. Baelish is an awesome character. So yeah I agree it was slower than normal but I guess it makes sense to have kind of an "aftermath" episode after the purple wedding.
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On April 22 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros. Then what is the point of littlefinger?
Littlefinger wanted the heir to winterfell (Sansa) in exchange for allowing Joffrey to die. That is my speculation (as a tv fan).
This is a business move for him. Mutual interest.
I'm also kind of curious, where did some TV viewers here get the idea that there is poison in Sansa's necklace. Just curious 
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On April 22 2014 14:37 Discarder wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:28 iamperfection wrote:On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros. Then what is the point of littlefinger? Littlefinger wanted the heir to winterfell (Sansa) in exchange for allowing Joffrey to die. That is my speculation (as a tv fan). This is a business move for him. Mutual interest. I'm also kind of curious, where did some TV viewers here get the idea that there is poison in Sansa's necklace. Just curious
Book people "speculated" regarding your question.
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On April 22 2014 14:15 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 12:37 Mindcrime wrote:On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros. Joffrey was a psychopath and a shitty king. I don't think his legitimacy had anything to do with it. You cant possibly think Olenna would risk getting caught to kill Joffrey just because he was a psychopath and a shitty king.
What do you mean "just because"? Do you think allying yourself with a psychopathic king is an okay long-term plan? No, the Tyrells need the Lannisters, but they sure as shit didn't need Joffrey.
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On April 22 2014 12:19 Aveng3r wrote:
Just popping in to say I really thought this was a bit of a slow episode, I thought it was funny when the hound ended up punching the dude in the face and stealing his silver
and man that wildling ambush was brutal
A slow episode in terms of fighting and beheadings you mean? I personally thought this episode was fantastic. There were so many significant political and circumstantial changes that took place. Nearly every single character is in a completely different situation than they were at the end of season 3. Even Sansa, who was basically kept prisoner for 2.5 seasons is now in a completely different situation with Littlefinger, out of King's Landing for once, and presumably on her way to the Vale. There is only so much development that can happen in a 50 minute show with a half dozen significant character episodes going on, yet I thought that the last episode was done fantastically.
You pointed out your enjoyment for the wildling ambush in particular, which is fine of course, but I happen to think that THAT was the more boring and pointless scenes of the episode as it basically just reminded us that a big handful of wildlings are still south of the wall since Jon's escape.
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On April 22 2014 15:00 CatfooD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 12:19 Aveng3r wrote:
Just popping in to say I really thought this was a bit of a slow episode, I thought it was funny when the hound ended up punching the dude in the face and stealing his silver
and man that wildling ambush was brutal You pointed out your enjoyment for the wildling ambush in particular, which is fine of course, but I happen to think that THAT was the more boring and pointless scenes of the episode as it basically just reminded us that a big handful of wildlings are still south of the wall since Jon's escape.
What dude?!
"I'm going to eat your dead mama, and I'm going to eat your dead papa"
that was fucking awesome.
As for the point. I mean yeah not much happened but it served to illustrate the contrast between the two factions. You have bloodthirsty badass wildlings vs a withering squad of young boys, old men, and maybe a few decent soldiers with no aid in sight from King's Landing. They're turning up the heat!
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I think it was to develop how "wild" they are, and inhumane. And also to set up the thing where the guys in Castle Black know that there are people south of the wall coming for them.
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Worst GoT episode so far.
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in the show, have they ever mentioned if the crows were ever like pro soldiers? i know that guy who jon snow looked up too was meant to be a pro fighter, and some of the castle black commanders werent meant to be pretty good but i mean in like the regular foot soldiers. (iirc all they like said in the show i think was something along the lines of them just being lazy and the job became undesirable (no women etc) so they had to just recruit criminals
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