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On April 21 2014 20:42 Redox wrote:
Was not rape in the incest scene.
You're fucking kidding... She explicitly denied consent repeatedly, and he forced her to have sex with him. She had literally zero options. He was a great warrior, and she an aging queen. If she screamed, she would have revealed the sex, and in that society, destroyed her reputation, and led to execution for him.
Rape is sex without consent, even if just for a part of it. There's really no room for ambiguity.
This is a super disturbing comment.
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I don't think Jaime much liked his eldest son, so I could see him just not giving a crap. His lust for his sister (especially after it being so long since last time), and her seeming refusal up until that point since he got home (he was kind of expecting her to longing for it as much as him, I'd assume) only increased his sexual frustration. And that's how it ended up like that.
And it's not like it's necrophilia or even anything similar to that. Jaime in particular should be used to dead bodies enough to be able to ignore such a thing I'd imagine. Not that I think he cared much. Not to mention that it's not a new concept in fiction (or real life).
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Dont get me wrong, GoT is probably the best on air show right now, but the writing seems to always be trick -- start liking a character and BAM! now he/she is back to being unlikable... We got that twice in one episode, (Jaime and The Hound.) Or just act all generic and revenge tale and snap oh you didn't see that coming! And I'm assuming they didnt like the direction with Daenys protector/potential lover from S3, but thats a pretty big character change and I dont mean a change of actors.
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Funniest GoT episode yet lol. I have not laughed at a TV shows as hard as I did when Jamie raped Cersei in front of their dead son in a church. OMG that was hilarious. More than makes up for the fact that the rest of the episode was kinda lame
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On April 20 2014 21:16 Mensol wrote:Show nested quote +On April 20 2014 21:14 FrogOfWar wrote:
What about Joffrey? He killed a prostitute tied to a bedpost from a distance without taking a scratch. He also destroyed a book without taking a scratch. He is legit.
Papercuts, hurt, man
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On April 22 2014 03:35 c0ldfusion wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 03:29 Kazeyonoma wrote:
According to wiki's the Unsullied are fully castrated so no, they don't even have penises. Ugh.. that sucks. No penis means they're gonna have a hard time holding in their bladder. That can't be too comfortable in battle.
The smell might an be advantage though, since the Unsullied would be used to it, but their enemies might find it quite uncomfortable.
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Considering the Unsullied have been like that since they were young, maybe they've learnt to handle it properly?
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On April 22 2014 06:24 Yoav wrote:You're fucking kidding... She explicitly denied consent repeatedly, and he forced her to have sex with him. She had literally zero options. He was a great warrior, and she an aging queen. If she screamed, she would have revealed the sex, and in that society, destroyed her reputation, and led to execution for him. Rape is sex without consent, even if just for a part of it. There's really no room for ambiguity. This is a super disturbing comment.
When you say "no" and then return to kissing the man who's allegedly raping you, its not rape. This is one of those cases that doesn't exist in the real world, where a "no" means "yes".
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On April 22 2014 08:47 Excludos wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 06:24 Yoav wrote:On April 21 2014 20:42 Redox wrote:
Was not rape in the incest scene. You're fucking kidding... She explicitly denied consent repeatedly, and he forced her to have sex with him. She had literally zero options. He was a great warrior, and she an aging queen. If she screamed, she would have revealed the sex, and in that society, destroyed her reputation, and led to execution for him. Rape is sex without consent, even if just for a part of it. There's really no room for ambiguity. This is a super disturbing comment. When you say "no" and then return to kissing the man who's allegedly raping you, its not rape. This is one of those cases that doesn't exist in the real world, where a "no" means "yes".
You could also argue it took some convincing. While it may have started out as our modern definition of rape, it seemed to become consensual after a while.
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Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros.
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On April 22 2014 09:19 Emnjay808 wrote:
Going back to who murdered Joffrey:
Im inclined to believe this was Olenna's idea. When Marg was talking with her, Olenna assured her that it will be easier to marry a king the third time around etc etc. My guess is that Olenna obviously believes that Joffrey was not the true heir. And if he puts a child in Marg then shes basically wasted goods when everyone finds out the truth about Joffrey's roots.
Shes looking out for Marg in the long run since her judgment is clouded by the prospect that she gets to be queen on-the-spot. Olenna proving to be one of the smartest people in Westeros.
Then what is the point of littlefinger?
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On April 22 2014 09:08 sumsaR wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 08:47 Excludos wrote:On April 22 2014 06:24 Yoav wrote:On April 21 2014 20:42 Redox wrote:
Was not rape in the incest scene. You're fucking kidding... She explicitly denied consent repeatedly, and he forced her to have sex with him. She had literally zero options. He was a great warrior, and she an aging queen. If she screamed, she would have revealed the sex, and in that society, destroyed her reputation, and led to execution for him. Rape is sex without consent, even if just for a part of it. There's really no room for ambiguity. This is a super disturbing comment. When you say "no" and then return to kissing the man who's allegedly raping you, its not rape. This is one of those cases that doesn't exist in the real world, where a "no" means "yes". You could also argue it took some convincing. While it may have started out as our modern definition of rape, it seemed to become consensual after a while.
jesus you guys have obviously never seen High Plains Drifter
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dumb rules business forced me to edit it out.
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On April 22 2014 09:44 Djzapz wrote:
dumb rules business forced me to edit it out.
Maybe you should just discuss this in the other thread instead of blaming the rules?
Smart Edit btw 
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On April 22 2014 09:58 killa_robot wrote:
I think it's more like he didn't really consider it rape. Here he is, with the woman he loves, and she makes out with him, then pushes him away. After being given the cold shoulder so long, Jamie probably took that small initiative as an invitation, or at the very least, it was the small push needed for him to push further.
To him they're already supposed to be a couple, and the concept of consent isn't exactly a thing in their world.
Had to edit my thing because I mention the books, but it doesn't make it any less of an assault on a woman which I consider vile even though I don't necessarily think it's normally pertinent to judge events from another time or universe using my personal standards of morality. It certainly isn't a respectable thing to do, no matter which universe it takes place in.
Edit: I left your post in because it contains no book-related stuff in it.
On April 22 2014 10:13 KadaverBB wrote:Show nested quote +On April 22 2014 09:44 Djzapz wrote:
dumb rules business forced me to edit it out. Maybe you should just discuss this in the other thread instead of blaming the rules? Smart Edit btw
I haven't read the book and made reference to an article which is readily available on the web discussing the television series. Being a person who watches the TV show, I sometimes read those articles which make the odd reference to the book... Admittedly I should have known that TL wouldn't take even the slightest, most reasonable step away from the rule, but there you go, that's me, rebellious as always, incapable of behaving myself when it comes down to the strictest rules which baffle me when they're enforced. I've been known to drive slightly above the speed limit and even then I don't get pulled over!
Anyway, my intentions were good. If any of you are half as interested in the show as I am, then I figured that some of you might be interested in its production and what source material said about things which have previously aired. Won't do it again, sorry dad.
Either way, cheers. Guess the header does specifically say not to do what I did so meh. My bad.
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Well I guess it's fairly obvious now that either Littlefinger killed Joffrey, for reasons unknown, or is working directly with the assassin.
As an aside, Aidan Gillen's (Littlefinger) voice acting has been getting more and more ridiculous. In season 1 he often had a soft whisper, intermixed with an occasionally excited, yet natural, voice. After that it started turning more gruff with completely over-the-top line delivery, stretching vowels here and there unnecessarily; in season 3 it started to get distracting.
Now he sounds like a cross between Christian Bale's Batman and Futurama's Calculon.
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does he have a very particular set of skills; skills he has acquired over a very long career?
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