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Manit0u
Poland17753 Posts
On December 18 2016 03:32 kwizach wrote: I wish they had decided to leave Solo's past alone. Seing how they've shown it as Solo/Fett movie, I believe it'll be set somewhere before Ep. IV (like Rogue One and Kenobi most likely), so not really his entire past but how he got involved with Jabba and why Fett wants him so bad. | ||
Falling
Canada11524 Posts
On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote: The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy. I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character. I was desperately hoping they would do the thing, and they did. + Show Spoiler + They killed the whole heist crew. I was a little afraid that the sunset/nuke/ death laser was going to be the last shot, but I got the last stand I was hoping for on the flag ship with the Rebel soldiers. I really quite enjoyed the film and thought it thoughtfully enriched the original trilogy. Little things like having Red 5 die (Luke's call sign) so that that slot in the squadron is available for Episode IV. They didn't have to do that sort of thing, but little things like that were scattered throughout without drawing too much attention to themselves. And I appreciated it. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
showcase Star Wars technology. Automatic blasters, tanks, small superweapons, shield gates, grenades, TIE fighters, and so on. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18298 Posts
On December 18 2016 05:25 Sermokala wrote: + Show Spoiler + the ending was the obvious set up for a new hope and it accelerated because of that knowledge. She was there because she has to be in the blockade runner to have the plans and get away. I don't think even vader has the kind off force power to outdo 9 star engines worth of thrust in space. thats something thats only on starkiller levels of force. + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure it's all canon anymore, but both Luke and Palpatine did some absurdly OP stuff, and Anakin is stronger than Palpatine in sensitivity. Killing a single ship is peanuts in comparison. And no, there was no reason for her to be there, or for Vader to arrive seconds too late while the rebels spent forever dicking around with a door. She could have been halfway across the galaxy and they send the plans to her, or halfway out the system at least. It's simple fan service, and it actually breaks continuity with ANH, because Leia was clearly not on a "simple diplomatic mission". | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey781 Posts
I just came from the theater. Movie was ok but, I didn't understand two points in the plot, maybe you can explain it to me. It is possible that I didn't catch some dialog. 1) why does vader rebuke the commander (I forgot his name) for the first test shot of death star? A complete success and destruction of a rebel planet. Shouldn't he be pleased? 2) why does the death star destroy the second planet where the archives are? Isn't it an important empire planet? If it's to deny rebels stealing the plans, why not shoot the transmitter antenna or the archive instead of slowly blowing an entire friendly planet? | ||
disciple
9071 Posts
On December 18 2016 11:57 Falling wrote: I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character. I was desperately hoping they would do the thing, and they did. + Show Spoiler + They killed the whole heist crew. I was a little afraid that the sunset/nuke/ death laser was going to be the last shot, but I got the last stand I was hoping for on the flag ship with the Rebel soldiers. I really quite enjoyed the film and thought it thoughtfully enriched the original trilogy. Little things like having Red 5 die (Luke's call sign) so that that slot in the squadron is available for Episode IV. They didn't have to do that sort of thing, but little things like that were scattered throughout without drawing too much attention to themselves. And I appreciated it. Yea I agree the movie did great service to hardcore fans, but I also think those hardcore fans need to be more demanding to the material of these stand alone movies. Instead of really going deep into the lore, we got a movie thats explained in the title crawl of ANH, next we will have a Han Solo movie and then maybe a Obi Wan flick with ewan mcgregor. All of those will be basically nostalgia porn and there is so much great material to pick from the extended universe. Not saying that will we never get a movie set in the old republic, but given disneys time line it might be 10 years till that happens. And its up to the hardcore fans to make disney course correct. | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Like on the rain planet: very convinient that the imperial guy arrives just at the same time as cassian lies down with his rifle. And why do they settle their business outside on the hangar bay instead of going in? Last scene is totally over the top: The masterplan to destroy the shields really was to ram that destroyer with a mini-ship, so that it crushes and slices another Destroyer, so that the latter crushes into that ring??? :D :D :D I almost yelled out "bullshit" really loud in the cinema. characters were forgetable, complete lack of tension, no emotions... And I don't really care much about fan-service. I just want to see a good movie. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14137 Posts
On December 18 2016 19:19 mantequilla wrote: + Show Spoiler + I just came from the theater. Movie was ok but, I didn't understand two points in the plot, maybe you can explain it to me. It is possible that I didn't catch some dialog. 1) why does vader rebuke the commander (I forgot his name) for the first test shot of death star? A complete success and destruction of a rebel planet. Shouldn't he be pleased? 2) why does the death star destroy the second planet where the archives are? Isn't it an important empire planet? If it's to deny rebels stealing the plans, why not shoot the transmitter antenna or the archive instead of slowly blowing an entire friendly planet? + Show Spoiler + both of these fall under the same thing. Vader doesn't want the Senate to know about the death star until it's time. The first time it's covered up by a mining disaster and the second time is to eliminate evidence of the rebel strike on the planet an maybe stop the plans from getting out. You can see the dish is the first thing taken out at the end. And the shield destroy plan was simple and made sense. The one ship the hammerhead was pushing was disabled and was pushed into the other ship and then all three fell to the gravity well and overloaded the shield ring. Idk what part wasn't clear in the movie but there you go. | ||
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Falling
Canada11524 Posts
On December 18 2016 20:15 disciple wrote: Yea I agree the movie did great service to hardcore fans, but I also think those hardcore fans need to be more demanding to the material of these stand alone movies. Instead of really going deep into the lore, we got a movie thats explained in the title crawl of ANH, next we will have a Han Solo movie and then maybe a Obi Wan flick with ewan mcgregor. All of those will be basically nostalgia porn and there is so much great material to pick from the extended universe. Not saying that will we never get a movie set in the old republic, but given disneys time line it might be 10 years till that happens. And its up to the hardcore fans to make disney course correct. How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
9/10! Please episode 8 don't let me down  | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16121 Posts
On December 18 2016 18:31 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure it's all canon anymore, but both Luke and Palpatine did some absurdly OP stuff, and Anakin is stronger than Palpatine in sensitivity. Killing a single ship is peanuts in comparison. And no, there was no reason for her to be there, or for Vader to arrive seconds too late while the rebels spent forever dicking around with a door. She could have been halfway across the galaxy and they send the plans to her, or halfway out the system at least. It's simple fan service, and it actually breaks continuity with ANH, because Leia was clearly not on a "simple diplomatic mission". + Show Spoiler + This was bugging me when I got out of the theatre but I quickly thought a reasonable way for it to work. All Vader saw was a Corellian Corvette escape, there was no way for him to actually know first off that Leia was onboard the ship or even which ship it was once it jumped into Hyperspace. It's not like it's the Millenium Falcon which is unique, Corellian Corvettes are literally everywhere in the galaxy. Yet Vader tracks it anyway but he can't actually prove to the Galactic Senate that it was the same ship which is why the Death Star testing on Alderran gets accelerated. It's definitely fan service but it's totally justifiable when you stop to think it through for a second. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + One of the Star Destroyes was no longer operational, it had been disabled by the Y-Wings earlier in the battle. I cannot remember the details, but it was made very clear that one Star Destroyer was no longer controllable and that its guns/turrets were no longer operable. The Hammerhead pushed that one into the still working one. This way, it was also covered from any enemy fire coming from the still working SD. However, the collision of the two SD was overdone, it did not make sense that such a small ship was able to accelerate one SD on such a short path to cause a massive collision like that. Besides that, I thought the scene was fine, even with a smaller collision I can see at least one of the two SDs going down. | ||
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disciple
9071 Posts
On December 19 2016 01:49 Falling wrote: How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. I just think its a matter of policy - right now the Skywalker saga is meant to appeal to a broader audience, my dad will go watch any movie in the series that has a Skywalker in it, yet he was very disappointed in Rogue One and I doubt he will go see another anthology movie. I give him as an example cause I think he represents the demographic Disney aims to capture with the anthology movies - thats why they will rehash old familiar things with those - Rogue One being a good example and the Han Solo movie probably doing the exact same thing. Without a familiar name attached like Darth Vader or Han Solo those people will lose excitement and wont go see the movie. And I believe this kind of starwars fans are very huge group of people. Disney gives the false promise that those movies are made for the hardcore fans while I think its the exact opposite - they want to keep as many casuals as possible from the Skywalker saga viewer base. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18298 Posts
On December 19 2016 01:49 Falling wrote: How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. + Show Spoiler [offtopic] + Haha, you sound like the dialogue in Marvel's Agents of SHIELD midseason finale (or maybe the ep before) with the new director and coulson discussing whether Solo or Ackbar is the real hero of Star Wars  | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6990 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Poll: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good (12) Toe-to-toe with ep VII, both were good (8) A bit worse than ep VII, wich is no shame, ep VII was hyype (6) Good for fans, medium for non fans (3) Way worse than ep VII (2) Won't compare the 2 films, it was just good. (2) 33 total votes Your vote: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Vote): Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good Have seen too much mixed feelings, and I think this pool might be cool to see what everyone thinks. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18646 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:24 Pontual wrote: Poll: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good (12) Toe-to-toe with ep VII, both were good (8) A bit worse than ep VII, wich is no shame, ep VII was hyype (6) Good for fans, medium for non fans (3) Way worse than ep VII (2) Won't compare the 2 films, it was just good. (2) 33 total votes Your vote: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Vote): Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good Have seen too much mixed feelings, and I think this pool might be cool to see what everyone thinks. mainstream loves Episode 7, so this poll will surely decide Ep7 > Rogue One | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:40 sharkie wrote: mainstream loves Episode 7, so this poll will surely decide Ep7 > Rogue One Well, to be fair Ep7 had characters, who felt like "real" people, one could actually care about. Whereas Rogue One has + Show Spoiler + way to many characters, who are poorly introduced and feel disposable/interchangeable. Except for Jyn I cared for none of them! Not even K-2SO, who to me seemed like a poor version of KOTOR's HK-47(even though I love Alan Tudyk, he did his best turning those turds of dialogue he was given into ...not gold..but something less turdy I gues ) They could have done so much more with less characters, this movie just felt like a nostalgia jerk off without any substance.. The Star Wars Aftermath books have a more compelling story, than the RO script...and they where no gold either, but still a fun read. | ||
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