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Wintex
Norway16838 Posts
Teaser preview: + Show Spoiler + US Release date: 16th of December, 2016 Director: Gareth Edwards Cinematography: Greig Fraser Music: Alexandre Desplat Actors: Felicity Jones as Jyn Erso. Mads Mikkelsen Alan Tudyk Donnie Yen Ben Mendelsohn Forest Whitaker A story between episodes 3 and 4. Mon Mothma spotted. Original Stormtroopers. Vader hype? Classic Death Star plot? | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
^That's how I feel before I watched that trailer. Now I am like, wut, someone is cosplaying Jennifer Laurence from hunger game in SW universe, but a worse version of that. I watched it without sound though. | ||
Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
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The_Red_Viper
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Plz let there be zero lightsabers or the force in this movie. Just all non-magical people. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 08 2016 01:03 Plansix wrote: This looks really good. Glad that there is a Starwars movie that doesn’t have an angry man in black as a villain. Also happy they are holding the starfighter stuff back. No need to show to much. Plz let there be zero lightsabers or the force in this movie. Just all non-magical people. Pretty sure Darth Vader will be in this movie. That guy kneeling might be him tbh | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On April 08 2016 01:08 The_Red_Viper wrote: Pretty sure Darth Vader will be in this movie. That guy kneeling might be him tbh I will for some Vader. Just a little bit. And only him. No new, secret force using assassins in all back who fly around and are so played out. Unless they use cool, non lightsaber melee weapons and have like real armor. Then bring them on. | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
There is a decent amount of mystery and suspense in the trailer as well. Very cool stuff. | ||
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The_Red_Viper
19533 Posts
On April 08 2016 01:12 Plansix wrote: I will for some Vader. Just a little bit. And only him. No new, secret force using assassins in all back who fly around and are so played out. Unless they use cool, non lightsaber melee weapons and have like real armor. Then bring them on. Yeah Darth Vader is fine imo as long as he isn't overused. Show him in little scenes, one or two, let him "fuck shit up" in one scene and the rest of the movie shouldn'tbe about him. I personally don't like the focus on new melee weapons, but hey it's not too bad | ||
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SCkad
Scotland97 Posts
Does look cool though | ||
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Shield
Bulgaria4824 Posts
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
 Although entirely in the background, I spot a General Jan Dodonna I'll confess to being a little giddy about the prospect of a Rebel Alliance film (prepare for disappointment, I know, I know). But Rebel era and immediately after is the best era of Star Wars. | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
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Calt
Finland1140 Posts
On April 08 2016 03:54 Falling wrote: I like the look of it so far Although entirely in the background, I spot a General Jan Dodonna I'll confess to being a little giddy about the prospect of a Rebel Alliance film (prepare for disappointment, I know, I know). But Rebel era and immediately after is the best era of Star Wars. Thanks for pointing it out, went back and noticed him as well! Was a bit sad that Mon Mothma was the only character I recognized at first but it makes me even more hopeful for the movie if they are adding more of these not-so-famous side characters that have appeared mostly outside the movies. Overall pretty damn excited for this. I liked Force Awakens but I think this looks like it has more potential to be a great movie. Hoping for the best! | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Chairman Ray
United States11903 Posts
Who's he gonna beat up this time? | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Great thing is that we finally get some actual cool asian jedi ffs | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
I'm pretty sure Felicity Jones was not in Hunger Games? Northanger Abbey, Tempest, and Hysteria though. Apparently Alan Tudyk is in here somewhere. In the movie I mean, not the trailer. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
I'm excited for some sweet military sci-fi action that'll flesh out the new canon in some impressive ways. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Really like seeing a more gritty, down to earth story following people who aren't the core characters. Though ofc we will see Vader, and it WILL be glorious. Surprised no Bothans in the trailer. Maybe they all died already? | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
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chrisolo
Germany2608 Posts
It becomes a boring story line. So yea, I will probably still go to the cinema for this movie, but I am not as hyped, as I was for The Force Awakens. Also Daisy Ridley will be missed by me  I really liked her and now I gotta wait til next year december and have this instead (which will be most likely crap..) | ||
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bluzi
4703 Posts
On April 08 2016 15:19 chrisolo wrote: I did not really like the trailer at all tbh. The problem is that you can guess the whole story line from that one short trailer and I am quite dissapointed by that. Sure TFA was quite the Episode 4 copy and I actually really loved the concept of it and the movie itself, but I hope they start showing new stuff in Episode 8 and 9. Thus I am not really convinced from taking on "another" death-star in a star-wars movie. It becomes a boring story line. So yea, I will probably still go to the cinema for this movie, but I am not as hyped, as I was for The Force Awakens. Also Daisy Ridley will be missed by me I really liked her and now I gotta wait til next year december and have this instead (which will be most likely crap..)Agreed , again with the death star but from a different prespective ?? is it GOT book im reading? will go and be ready to leave with a meh | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On April 08 2016 17:25 Falling wrote: I don't see it as primarily a Death Star movie- in that the central tension can't be what will they destroy with the Death Star and can we stop it in time. That stuff is set in stone because of Episode IV (Unless they borrow old canon and the fate of Despraye). This looks primarily like a military spy/ heist type film. Get in, get out (or not) with the plans. The Death Star is the backdrop, but the story structures differently (I think). What I mean is the plot is structured around the plans rather than the station itself, putting it inline with Mission Impossible, Ocean's 11, and Inception type movies, team of misfits, etc. For sure, but I worry they'll have a Death Star infiltration scene, which will piss off a lot of people for being to rehashed. Cool though that we'll get to see the Alliance's first victory though. Hope that doesn't get retconned. I also like the idea of playing with the idea of it being a "noble rebellion." In lore, the insurrection starts as a basically elite, aristocratic affair, and attracts all kinds of rogues and brigands. Cool to see that culture clash a little between genteel Mon Mothma and the rugged soldiers flocking to her banner. (Hint of that in the scene with the hero getting escorted by the Alderaanian trooper.) I'd love to see a bit of that Corellian/OuterRim vs. Alderaanian/Chandrillan tension. (In a later movie you could expand on the tension by including the Mon Calamari in the mix. I always thought the MonCal takeover of the Rebellion between 5 and 6 was an awesome example of making a world come alive by having a political backstory implied but unstated. The integration must have been very interesting as the shattered Hoth survivors and this powerful alien race joined up, adding the capital ship firepower the Rebellion had always lacked. Then the Rebel uniforms all become Mon-Cal colored, even while retaining their Alderaanian rank insignia et. al. Would be neat to see that process play out.) Otherwise, cool enough. I'll stay at "somewhat hyped" until I see X-Wings. At which point I will lose all mature self-control and start fist-pumping and shouting and whooping. (Like with TFA trailer) | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On April 08 2016 12:19 On_Slaught wrote: I'm all in on the Hype Train. Really like seeing a more gritty, down to earth story following people who aren't the core characters. Though ofc we will see Vader, and it WILL be glorious. Surprised no Bothans in the trailer. Maybe they all died already? Bothans died to get the plans for the second Death Star. Rogue One is about the raid to get the plans for the first Death Star. I don't think there'll be too much Death Star in this movie. They'll probably just show it being built, but looks like the rebels will most likely raid another Imperial installation to get the plans. This raid will probably be a big deal, since the opening crawl to A New Hope states that it's the Rebel Alliance's first major victory against the Empire. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
I can't wait to see what will they do with Kenobi in 2 years. | ||
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HeatEXTEND
Netherlands836 Posts
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
I fucking love a great tale of a hero falling from grace or a villain earning redemption and I'm pretty sure that is what this trailer is telling us this movie is about. Plus there is god damn Mandalorians! GET HYPE! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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LennX
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Kamisamanachi
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
This looks 10x more better and more hype than your regular Star Wars stuff. | ||
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Vaelone
Finland4400 Posts
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Archeon
3260 Posts
Also the original trailer's start and end are mirrored, which is pretty cute. We kinda know the story already though and putting the release between episode 7 and 8 is so weird though. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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ZeaL.
United States5955 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On September 03 2016 00:37 ZeaL. wrote: If I don't see a ton of bothans getting massacred then I have lost all hope for the SW franchise. Wrong Death Star. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Garbels
Austria653 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
I want this movie so bad. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2542 Posts
I believe Star Wars is at its best when there is no (or minimal) Jedi involvement. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On August 18 2016 19:15 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: I just want Vader ! I guess that Vader is probably the most recognizable character in existence that had a total of 12 minutes of screen time over the course of 6 movies... | ||
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No Swear
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Hryul
Austria2609 Posts
On October 15 2016 20:54 No Swear wrote: Second trailer felt kinda generic :/ find father, give inspirational speech?  | ||
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trifecta
United States6795 Posts
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flamewheel
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
1. Asians (not as Nemoidians) - hopefully Ip Man gets a lot of screentime... and gets killed by Vader. I hope this isn't just Disney being like "well, gotta appeal to the Asian market". Star Wars is ready for some more diversity 2. Magical space monks are not the main focus - more relatable to relate to a "ragtag bunch of heroes", even if it's cliche. Let's hope they all die brutal deaths, a la dwindling party. We haven't seen any of their characters in 4-7, but that doesn't mean everybody dies. One can hope though. 3. Something about trailer 2 music really gets me. The music at 1:37 gets so good. Love this take on the Force theme, even if it's just trailer music. 4. Worldbuilding. TFA disappointed me for numerous reasons, with one among them being the lack of worldbuilding. I loved the old (now Legends) canon, and I understand why it had to go. The fact that we have Jeddah instead of Tython doesn't bother me, and it's a sign that we're getting glimpses into this vast vast universe that extends beyond just "hey the Skywalkers are fucking shit up". 5. Awesome tie-in to TCW series. I hope Saw dies a particularly glorious death... and judging from when he says "Save the Rebellion!" with what looks like a cave-in/collapse happening, he will get one. 6. Krennic has a lot of potential. I hope he doesn't turn into a Tarkin clone. One of the bandied theories going around is that Krennic is somehow going to help the Rogue One peeps get the plans... I'm hoping it's that and not "you have failed me for incompetence". Whatever the reason, Vader looks absolutely pissed at him. | ||
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karazax
United States3737 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
Also, is this review a troll review? I thought the New Yorker was a pretty serious magazine: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/rogue-one-reviewed-is-it-time-to-abandon-the-star-wars-franchise But it says that "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" were the best of Lucas' Star Wars films, so I just cannot take it seriously. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
For Acrofales, about the amount of space battles: + Show Spoiler + There is quite a bit of space fighting at the end, but my 2D experience was thoroughly enjoyable | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
On December 14 2016 20:40 kwizach wrote: I've just seen it (in 2D). I'll write a longer review later today, but I liked it better than episode 7 (which I didn't like at all), even though it's not perfect :-) 7.5/10 -- definitely worth watching, but definitely not classic-level. For Acrofales, about the amount of space battles: + Show Spoiler + There is quite a bit of space fighting at the end, but my 2D experience was thoroughly enjoyable hello , plz tell me Vader appears more than joker in suicide squad  | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hello , plz tell me Vader appears more than joker in suicide squad I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I've heard, Vader appears less than Suicide Squad's Joker, though Vader's scenes are still amazing. I actually would prefer for him to not have a big presence in the movie so that he doesn't overshadow the new characters, but reviewers have been saying that those new characters aren't as fleshed out and developed as they want. I'm still probably going to see the movie a few times despite all that. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:42 kwizach wrote: I haven't seen Suicide Squad, so I can't compare, but about Vader's screen time: + Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. what would you rate starwars 7: the force awakens? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I saw things I liked, but it did seem to deviate a fair bit from the "Star Wars" feel. Which was fine when it was Zahn's books for example, but terrible in many other cases. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:42 kwizach wrote: I haven't seen Suicide Squad, so I can't compare, but about Vader's screen time: + Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. thanks | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:17 eviltomahawk wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I've heard, Vader appears less than Suicide Squad's Joker, though Vader's scenes are still amazing. I actually would prefer for him to not have a big presence in the movie so that he doesn't overshadow the new characters, but reviewers have been saying that those new characters aren't as fleshed out and developed as they want. I'm still probably going to see the movie a few times despite all that. i guess you right,better to have 1 minute of an impactful scene than 7 full of crap :D | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:49 Foxxan wrote: what would you rate starwars 7: the force awakens? As a sequel of the original trilogy, 5,5-6/10 when I came out of the theater, 4-4,5/10 later on. As a fan of the Star Wars universe, I felt insulted by Episode 7 (even though I know I'm in the minority). I find it to be a safe and hollow shell of a movie, which shamelessly repackages ANH (and, to a lesser extent, elements of RotJ) while taking a dump on the potential of the Star Wars universe and the legacy of the original trilogy, with only a few redeeming qualities. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 14 2016 19:42 Acrofales wrote: So apparently some people got to see it last night in pre-screenings. Does anybody know whether there are enough space action scenes to merit watching it in 3D? Because the somewhat gritty feel of the trailer makes it seem like 2D will give a better experience. Also, is this review a troll review? I thought the New Yorker was a pretty serious magazine: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/rogue-one-reviewed-is-it-time-to-abandon-the-star-wars-franchise But it says that "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" were the best of Lucas' Star Wars films, so I just cannot take it seriously. The New Yorker is a serious magazine... they don't do serious movie reviews. Most of them are excuses to go on about some topic or another. That author in particular is just bizarre; try reading his review of the whole Star Wars ouvre to understand how off-base he is. | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
Well company movie tickets anyways. | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
On December 15 2016 05:18 Koivusto wrote: I just watched it. But it was like I had already seen it many times. It was like a season 8 of a TV show that used to be good. While I agree that there wasn't anything particularly new, I thought this was done better than most of the other Star Wars movies, probably because it's just a story of its own, and the movie is made as such. As a result I felt the characters had the right amount of development for their role and it ended up working quite nicely. I also enjoyed the visuals more than in most of the other SW movies. But that's just a personal thing I guess. On the downside, pretty much everything in the movie is predictable. But then again, I don't think we were supposed to be surprised by anything to start with. Overall, I would recommend seeing it, especially if you enjoy Star Wars. It's the best movie in the franchise to be released in a long time. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 15 2016 07:15 Zinnwaldite wrote: I wish they would make an Old Republic movie. By far the best part of the Star Wars universe. I love KotOR to death, but it always makes me a little sad to play. Partly because it actually offers a compelling narrative of how a young idealistic Jedi got wrapped up in the power of violence due to a galaxy-shattering war against the Mandalorians. In other words, it was everything the prequels were supposed to be. And that just gets me going on the promise those movies could have fulfilled Can you imagine if we had stayed true to established lore, and the Republic hadn't faced an army of goofy robots with bad hand-eye coordination but instead an army of Jango Fett and his buddies cloned a million times each and facing the mighty but beleaguered Jedi? If the reason Anakin had turned to darkness had been not some vague promise of saving Padme from his bad dreams, but rather a clever echo of Ep VI where he is trapped in the trenches with the handsome and chivalrous commander Palpatine, who tempts him to secret evil by pointing out that a bunker held by his friends is about to be overrun? And soon the fellowship in arms shatters, leaving Yoda and Obi-Wan and Bail Organa to take one side while Anakin, Palpatine, and the clever and ruthless (but basically sensible, if somewhat proud) Tarkin on the other. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
Like I said, I think it's a much better part of the SW saga than TFA. My criteria are however different, since TFA was a "real" episode and had to deal with the evolution of the galaxy, of the New Republic, and of the characters (all of which I think it handled horribly). This one can focus on its own characters. I give it a 7-7,5/10. Far from perfect, and not a classic, but a definitely enjoyable Star Wars experience despite its flaws. I do recommend seeing it, especially in theaters. The things that I liked: - The story is original (it is obviously inspired by some other stories, but nothing on the scale of TFA). Globally, the plot mostly holds. - Some of the characters work well (in particular + Show Spoiler + Donnie Yen's character, who felt genuinely altruistic - It is visually very well done, in particular + Show Spoiler + the final space battle -- the colors with the shield and planet below are amazing - It's entertaining, even though some plot points are quite (sometimes very) predictable. - The presence of some classic characters that they didn't overuse, like + Show Spoiler + Mon Mothma, Jan Dodonna, R2D2 & C3PO and + Show Spoiler [Major spoiler] + Leia - Great alien design in most cases. The same goes for Stormtrooper armors. It felt good to be back to the original designs, with some new ones included in the mix. - Some great (and sometimes fantastic) action scenes. - It did feel like we were exploring the Star Wars galaxy more so than in TFA. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + They provided a credible explanation for the Death Star's weakness! :-) The things that I'm ambivalent about: - + Show Spoiler + Tarkin appearing in the movie. I suppose they used a lookalike and CGI, and it was quite a technical success. Yet at the same time, you can't help but know that it's not real because Peter Cushing's been dead for over twenty years, and so it somewhat took me out of the movie, as happy as I was to see his character. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Plot element] + Darth Vader's two appearances. I felt the first one was contrived and screamed "fan service" (also, the line + Show Spoiler + "don't choke on your ambition (aspiration?)" you know he's going to go just slow enough to give enough time to the last soldier to hand the plans to someone on the other side of the door. - + Show Spoiler + K-2SO's lines: some of them were pretty funny, others a bit cringy. - The music: it wasn't particularly noteworthy, but at the same time the usual score did its job. - The links with ANH. + Show Spoiler + It's nice that they tried to closely tie the two films, but at the same time I feel like they went completely overboard with it. + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + Leia's vessel literally takes off right under Vader's nose, meaning that her claim in ANH that they're on a "diplomatic mission" is a ludicrously bad excuse. She must know everyone just saw them desperately leave the battlefield... I preferred to imagine that Vader's destroyer had managed to intercept her ship on its journey, not that the two ships had arrived near Tatooine from the same starting point. They could perhaps have slightly tweaked the RO ending by having Vader slaughter the soldiers in the hallway right until the last one, who barely manages to beam the plans to Leia's ship far from the battlefield, on the edge of the system. We then see Vader tell his subordinates "there was another ship in the system, find out to where it jumped!". Of course, this still does not fully correspond to the dialog in the first scenes of ANH inside the Tantive IV, since Vader says it is "spies" who sent the transmission with the plans that the Tantive IV intercepted, and not "soldiers". In both scenarios, therefore, there is something slightly off. The fact that ANH takes place right after RO also means that Tarkin has been at the helm of the Death Star for a couple of days in ANH, while Cushin's original performance, and him presiding over the table of officers present at the start of the movie, gives a very different impression. I think him being in charge of the station for a while works better. The things that I didn't like: - I did not build a true emotional connection to the characters. I think the script is too weak in this respect. In most cases, I don't think the characters were handled well enough -- among the secondary ones, I liked Donnie Yen's, but he's mostly the exception to the rule. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + I simply was not really moved as we saw them die one by one Jyn smiling to her crew (after supposedly inspiring moments) which looked plain bad, I also don't think they handled the father-daughter relationship very well. I didn't feel a synergy or an emotional connection between the two, + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + which made it hard to care when her father died in front of her - + Show Spoiler + How the Rebel Alliance was pictured in the movie. + Show Spoiler [Major plot elements] + There was no need, in my opinion, to morally compromise the Alliance to this extent. I'm fine with a debate over the kind of means they're ready to employ to achieve their goals, but it should have happened between the Alliance and Whitaker's faction. The Alliance's council was also poorly set up -- we're supposed to believe that the future of the Alliance and the response to the potential existence of the Death Star was handled this poorly, during a five-minute discussion with dozens of soldiers crammed behind the leaders? I didn't like that scene at all. - Krennic's character didn't seem particularly threatening to me, + Show Spoiler + partially because he's undermined + Show Spoiler [Major information] + by Tarkin - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Important plot point] + The "hammerhead" rebel vessel pushing one Star Destroyer into the second one, destroying both and the shield. Those two Star Destroyers should have put up much more of a fight. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + Director Krennic getting shot by Cassian right when he was about to kill Jyn... Lazy writing, we've seen this kind of scene in a thousand movies. You could see it coming from a mile away. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + I get that Tarkin wanted both Director Krennic gone and the transmission of the plans prevented/stopped, but still, using the Death Star to shoot the antenna and destroy the entire Imperial base on Scarif was completely overkill. I can't help but see it as plot convenience rather than in-universe rational decisionmaking. - + Show Spoiler + The cameo appearances of the two outlaws that we see Kenobi deal with in ANH's cantina after they threaten to kill Luke -- unnecessary fan service, and it took me out of the movie - Stormtroopers remain too easy to kill, although they do get some good shots in. - Baze's character. I thought + Show Spoiler + his rifle was too effective, and his character was not particularly well exploited, despite his friendship with Yen's character. - + Show Spoiler + With one exception (edit: actually two, counting the planet Andor starts on at the beginning of the movie), all of the planets we visited seemed to only have one camp or one imperial base. - The cringy use of + Show Spoiler + "hope" + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + it immediately precedes A New Hope - Ultimately, with one exception, no element of the movie really made an impression on me that I'll remember for a really long time. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
But still the movie has a potential to be very entertaining, not denying that. | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
We were really on page for our appreciation of TFA so I am kinda relieved and feel like I can go see it safely now lmao | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
That's why the plot was way too forced and predictable to me. Half the time the characters actually tell you what they're going to do and then well...do it. That's always a poor way to develop a plot and in particular characters, it makes them feel artificial and you end up not caring about any of them. Except of course Felicity Jones as Jyn, who really saved the movie for me. If this movie wasn't headed by a female lead of her caliber, it would have crashed and burned from the get go. So great job by Lucasfilms, hiring her was definitely the right decision, the writers on the other hand...not so much! | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 15 2016 19:01 SkrollK wrote: Thanks kwizach for that detailed yet unspoilered review (obv didnt read them yet ^^) We were really on page for our appreciation of TFA so I am kinda relieved and feel like I can go see it safely now lmao I think the best advice I can give is really to lower your expectations compared to what they'd be like for an actual SW episode. It won't blow you away, but if you don't expect too much from it you'll more than likely have a good time :-) | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 16 2016 00:39 LegalLord wrote: I kind of question the marketing wisdom of having a lower quality SW production between the two movies. I don't think any company really aims for their movie to be low quality, and from what I've seen, Rogue One still got a ton of production pumped into it compared to how lean Episode VII felt when it came to realizing exotic locales. However, the next spinoff movies could always be smaller in scale and production. | ||
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blade55555
United States17423 Posts
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
I also loved the continuity with The Clone Wars and even Rebels cartoons. Saw Gerrera was introduced in a decent story arc in Clone Wars, so his extremism actually made sense for fans who've seen it. There were even a few easter eggs referring to Rebels ships and characters, notably the Hammerhead vessel that was first reintroduced in the show that was based on the KotOR design. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
Also don't know why anyone wanted or expected a happy ending for such a film. The ending was already known/written in episode 3. | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 16 2016 15:46 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Great movie, the actor who played Bodhi Rook was amazing. Disney should really make a movie for his backstory I think. Also don't know why anyone wanted or expected a happy ending for such a film. The ending was already known/written in episode 3. + Show Spoiler + I think people would've wanted to see some of those characters stick around in the new EU considering how memorable they were, particularly Jyn, K-2SO, and Chirrut IMO. The most we get now are just those backstories before the events of the movie. Disney probably just wanted a clean excuse on why none of the characters show up in the original trilogy and related EU material. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + I'm a little bit confused as to why the Rebel Fleet couldn't simply bomb the gate to open it. And Jyn Erso's ascendance to a rebel leader who could talk over Bale Organa and Mon Mothma was rather abrupt to say the least. Also, all of those digital facial recreations of old characters were a little distracting. They looked real, but we're a little off at the same time. With regards to Episode VIII: + Show Spoiler + Could that have been Snoke that we saw on Mustafar (or wherever it was) and who got Vader out of the tank? | ||
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sharkie
Austria18499 Posts
On December 14 2016 23:24 kwizach wrote: As a sequel of the original trilogy, 5,5-6/10 when I came out of the theater, 4-4,5/10 later on. As a fan of the Star Wars universe, I felt insulted by Episode 7 (even though I know I'm in the minority). I find it to be a safe and hollow shell of a movie, which shamelessly repackages ANH (and, to a lesser extent, elements of RotJ) while taking a dump on the potential of the Star Wars universe and the legacy of the original trilogy, with only a few redeeming qualities. oh god I totally agree with your description of Episode 7 and yeah we are a small minority | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 16 2016 17:23 xDaunt wrote: With regards to Episode VIII: + Show Spoiler + Could that have been Snoke that we saw on Mustafar (or wherever it was) and who got Vader out of the tank? + Show Spoiler + Apparently not: It'd still be a bit weird for them to have included a cloaked character (instead of, say, a regular imperial officer) like that for no ulterior reason, though. We'll see | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 16 2016 17:23 xDaunt wrote: They looked real, but we're a little off at the same time. http://iampaddy.com/spell/  | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 16 2016 21:43 kwizach wrote: + Show Spoiler + Apparently not: https://twitter.com/pablohidalgo/status/723621794071085056 It's still a bit weird for them to have included a cloaked character (instead of, say, a regular imperial officer) like that for no ulterior reason, though. We'll see Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if that tweet is false. BTW, your review is pretty much spot on. | ||
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ETisME
12493 Posts
I never liked the previous ones that much. Always disliked how they have such awesome settings but so limited to one particular family and superhuman Jedi that do not produce awesome fight scenes (grew up with kungfu movie) and looking out of place most of the time. The movie took a great turn in showing resistance has done some dirty works It also put a much better balance between realism and fantasy. The realism cinematic shots are beautiful and having that with the space battles and infantry combat is just epic. And damn deathstar is awesome | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote: The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy. Haven't watched rogue one, but that1s pretty accurate for the Hobbit. | ||
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Fliparoni
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Fliparoni
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On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote: The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy. While i do agree that the characters were disposable and that they jad very little character development, i disagree with the comparison with The Hobbit. The Hobbit was the first movie out of a trilogy. This is a stand alone movie in which we pretty much know the general outcome already so we know those characters will have very little development because they are going to die. Also, about Vader's tower. I could be wrong but i think that that was the lava planet he and obi-wan dueled on and where he ultimately was transformed into Vader. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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xDaunt
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 17 2016 04:44 Fliparoni wrote: While i do agree that the characters were disposable and that they jad very little character development, i disagree with the comparison with The Hobbit. The Hobbit was the first movie out of a trilogy. This is a stand alone movie in which we pretty much know the general outcome already so we know those characters will have very little development because they are going to die. Also, about Vader's tower. I could be wrong but i think that that was the lava planet he and obi-wan dueled on and where he ultimately was transformed into Vader. Yeah, that was the exact same planet. Kinda weird how he set up shop near the same place that he got burnt up in the first place. Maybe it powers his dark side emo powers. The concept for Vader's castle also had been floating around since the original trilogy. They even considered it for Force Awakens, but this is the first time that the place has been canonized since the Legends EU. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
that everyone you don't know of obviously dies by the end. Still, pretty good. | ||
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kwizach
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kwizach
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On December 17 2016 01:03 xDaunt wrote: Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if that tweet is false. BTW, your review is pretty much spot on. Yeah, it's possible it is. There must be some kind of connection either to future movies or to the EU, otherwise it's a strange inclusion (because it raises the question of who the character is). Thanks. To the poster who mentioned it'd be great to have a KOTOR movie saga: I agree, there's an incredible amount of great material in the Old Republic era (KOTOR and other creations, such as the Exar Kun and Naga Sadow stories). So much, in fact, that it'd make for a great tv series if we could have movie-level budgets for each individual episode :-) | ||
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
Best review is I guess it won't change your life but it's everything you think you want from a movie. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
characters just keep dying after they serve their purpose in the movie. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
On December 17 2016 10:50 LegalLord wrote: My biggest gripe is simply that + Show Spoiler + characters just keep dying after they serve their purpose in the movie. + Show Spoiler + At The same time I really enjoyed I guess the way that everyone died. It was sad but triumphant ar tge same time from the grenade you saw sailing through the sky into the hold as bodi watched to the I am one with the force the force is with me deaths and finally the two main characters holding eachother as they watched the blast approach them. A ton of movies have really shitty endings or pointless death of characters (harry potter looking at you) so to see everyone get a good quality death was really one of the high points for me. | ||
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Singapore4132 Posts
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sharkie
Austria18499 Posts
On December 17 2016 20:02 Dante08 wrote: Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII? You got it right | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On December 17 2016 09:58 Sermokala wrote: I want to disagree with kwizach and his review but it's mostly really true. It's got that Disney empire kind of "safe but entertaining" direction for lack of a better term. That doesn't mean it's not really fun and enjoyable to watch. Best review is I guess it won't change your life but it's everything you think you want from a movie. Agree. I disagree with him about TFA, which I consider superior to this, but R1 is entertaining and fills in a bit of the back story. It just doesn't make you care for the characters (which being a one-off isn't too terrible, but at times they feel more like plot devices than people). Oh, and K2 is great, but still prefer BB. But the new droid additions steal the show in both TFA and R1. + Show Spoiler + The final sequence made no sense. What was Leia doing in the middle of the battle? Why didn't Vader just blow up the capital ship before anybody could escape? Why didn't he force pull Leia's cruiser back? Or just force choke everybody in it? Fan service. I also have to wonder why they have randomly opening gates/doors/things in all SW bases? However the Scarif battle was an amazing action sequence and I felt it fitting how everybody died, and was given a proper death. Felt especially sorry for Bhodi and Chirrut. Makeup/CGI on Tarkin and Leia was amazing. Vader felt scary and the light saber ignition was awesome. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 17 2016 12:15 Sermokala wrote: + Show Spoiler + At The same time I really enjoyed I guess the way that everyone died. It was sad but triumphant ar tge same time from the grenade you saw sailing through the sky into the hold as bodi watched to the I am one with the force the force is with me deaths and finally the two main characters holding eachother as they watched the blast approach them. A ton of movies have really shitty endings or pointless death of characters (harry potter looking at you) so to see everyone get a good quality death was really one of the high points for me. While + Show Spoiler + it's fine to see some characters, including the main two/four/five, get killed the death of the admiral dude. you know Ackbar is the admiral in #6 so obviously some no-name is dying here. It's so ridiculously obvious. I also found it quite unbelievable how + Show Spoiler + the Imperials decided to nuke the entire installation from orbit rather than just shoot down the radar. I mean they knew what the rebels were after, and they decided to destroy the Imperial archives in their entirety? how remarkably mobile the Rebel fleet was. They just happened to be able to strike anywhere at any time within this movie. The director dude, + Show Spoiler + he was pretty well-established to be a side-threat throughout the entire thing. I had no problem with him being kind of a lesser villain because it was clearly what it was intended to be. On the technical side, I thought that this movie did justice to + Show Spoiler + the design and use of TIE fighters in a way that Ep 4-6 didn't (but Ep 7 kinda did) the Vader mask looked like a goddamn toy. | ||
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DarkNetHunter
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As a big SW fan + Show Spoiler + watched all the original/prequel over 20x~ plus read EU (50+ books) and technical manuals Pros to the movie RO + Show Spoiler + -Characters die (gives it more realism and also stops silly plot loops later) -Lack of Jedi/Lightsaber focus, gives much more presence to the other technology, and battles play out better (hope this is the case for other tie-in movies). -The rebellion feels grittier and less coordinated which was how it was supposed to be -Great action scenes, only one major gripe to come in the Cons. -A good explanation for the major flaw in the Death Star for IV - ANH -A few nods (appearances / fanservice) to the older movies that I felt were nice without being too cheesy or far fetched. Cons to the movie RO + Show Spoiler + -weak dialogue -unconvincing characters (Cassian Andor especially) with the exception of Donnie Yen who is great. -species and technological timeline being ignored (Mon Calamari had not joined Rebellion before ANH), ships including Nebulon-B frigate were not available to the alliance before ANH, the whole idea of a rebel fleet that large and coordinated is a bit stretched. (Also felt really forced and unnecessary, could have just used Star Fighters rather than capital ships to attack) -The Hammerhead ship (wtf it pushing two Star Destroyers into each other is so fucking stupid, this is the only major thing that bothered me with all the action/battle scenes and maybe my biggest gripe overall. -The Vader scene at the end, he could've force choked/lightsabered the whole corridor before the details were passed on, and as someone else mentioned it makes no sense for the Tantive IV to be inside the other rebel ship instead of being launched and useful, for the princess to be randomly in a battle instead of doing diplomatic work at that stage of the rebellion. -The decision to use the Death Star on the Imperial Archives after they have a fleet of Star Destroyers there | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 17 2016 20:02 Dante08 wrote: Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII? I, II, Clone Wars, III, Rebels, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII to be exact and for complete reference to what is considered canon right now. I don't know how many anthologies they're going to do, but I hope for at least 3: - Solo - Kenobi - Fett | ||
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Dante08
Singapore4132 Posts
Ah thanks. Overall I enjoyed the movie, the first half was pretty boring but the climax was great. I was wondering why is this another Star Wars movie where the plot is destroying the death star but realized why at the end. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 18 2016 03:04 Manit0u wrote: I don't know how many anthologies they're going to do, but I hope for at least 3: - Solo - Kenobi - Fett I wish they had decided to leave Solo's past alone. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
On December 17 2016 21:29 Acrofales wrote: Agree. I disagree with him about TFA, which I consider superior to this, but R1 is entertaining and fills in a bit of the back story. It just doesn't make you care for the characters (which being a one-off isn't too terrible, but at times they feel more like plot devices than people). Oh, and K2 is great, but still prefer BB. But the new droid additions steal the show in both TFA and R1. + Show Spoiler + The final sequence made no sense. What was Leia doing in the middle of the battle? Why didn't Vader just blow up the capital ship before anybody could escape? Why didn't he force pull Leia's cruiser back? Or just force choke everybody in it? Fan service. I also have to wonder why they have randomly opening gates/doors/things in all SW bases? However the Scarif battle was an amazing action sequence and I felt it fitting how everybody died, and was given a proper death. Felt especially sorry for Bhodi and Chirrut. Makeup/CGI on Tarkin and Leia was amazing. Vader felt scary and the light saber ignition was awesome. + Show Spoiler + the ending was the obvious set up for a new hope and it accelerated because of that knowledge. She was there because she has to be in the blockade runner to have the plans and get away. I don't think even vader has the kind off force power to outdo 9 star engines worth of thrust in space. thats something thats only on starkiller levels of force. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 18 2016 03:32 kwizach wrote: I wish they had decided to leave Solo's past alone. Seing how they've shown it as Solo/Fett movie, I believe it'll be set somewhere before Ep. IV (like Rogue One and Kenobi most likely), so not really his entire past but how he got involved with Jabba and why Fett wants him so bad. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote: The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy. I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character. I was desperately hoping they would do the thing, and they did. + Show Spoiler + They killed the whole heist crew. I was a little afraid that the sunset/nuke/ death laser was going to be the last shot, but I got the last stand I was hoping for on the flag ship with the Rebel soldiers. I really quite enjoyed the film and thought it thoughtfully enriched the original trilogy. Little things like having Red 5 die (Luke's call sign) so that that slot in the squadron is available for Episode IV. They didn't have to do that sort of thing, but little things like that were scattered throughout without drawing too much attention to themselves. And I appreciated it. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
showcase Star Wars technology. Automatic blasters, tanks, small superweapons, shield gates, grenades, TIE fighters, and so on. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On December 18 2016 05:25 Sermokala wrote: + Show Spoiler + the ending was the obvious set up for a new hope and it accelerated because of that knowledge. She was there because she has to be in the blockade runner to have the plans and get away. I don't think even vader has the kind off force power to outdo 9 star engines worth of thrust in space. thats something thats only on starkiller levels of force. + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure it's all canon anymore, but both Luke and Palpatine did some absurdly OP stuff, and Anakin is stronger than Palpatine in sensitivity. Killing a single ship is peanuts in comparison. And no, there was no reason for her to be there, or for Vader to arrive seconds too late while the rebels spent forever dicking around with a door. She could have been halfway across the galaxy and they send the plans to her, or halfway out the system at least. It's simple fan service, and it actually breaks continuity with ANH, because Leia was clearly not on a "simple diplomatic mission". | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey779 Posts
I just came from the theater. Movie was ok but, I didn't understand two points in the plot, maybe you can explain it to me. It is possible that I didn't catch some dialog. 1) why does vader rebuke the commander (I forgot his name) for the first test shot of death star? A complete success and destruction of a rebel planet. Shouldn't he be pleased? 2) why does the death star destroy the second planet where the archives are? Isn't it an important empire planet? If it's to deny rebels stealing the plans, why not shoot the transmitter antenna or the archive instead of slowly blowing an entire friendly planet? | ||
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disciple
9070 Posts
On December 18 2016 11:57 Falling wrote: I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character. I was desperately hoping they would do the thing, and they did. + Show Spoiler + They killed the whole heist crew. I was a little afraid that the sunset/nuke/ death laser was going to be the last shot, but I got the last stand I was hoping for on the flag ship with the Rebel soldiers. I really quite enjoyed the film and thought it thoughtfully enriched the original trilogy. Little things like having Red 5 die (Luke's call sign) so that that slot in the squadron is available for Episode IV. They didn't have to do that sort of thing, but little things like that were scattered throughout without drawing too much attention to themselves. And I appreciated it. Yea I agree the movie did great service to hardcore fans, but I also think those hardcore fans need to be more demanding to the material of these stand alone movies. Instead of really going deep into the lore, we got a movie thats explained in the title crawl of ANH, next we will have a Han Solo movie and then maybe a Obi Wan flick with ewan mcgregor. All of those will be basically nostalgia porn and there is so much great material to pick from the extended universe. Not saying that will we never get a movie set in the old republic, but given disneys time line it might be 10 years till that happens. And its up to the hardcore fans to make disney course correct. | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Like on the rain planet: very convinient that the imperial guy arrives just at the same time as cassian lies down with his rifle. And why do they settle their business outside on the hangar bay instead of going in? Last scene is totally over the top: The masterplan to destroy the shields really was to ram that destroyer with a mini-ship, so that it crushes and slices another Destroyer, so that the latter crushes into that ring??? :D :D :D I almost yelled out "bullshit" really loud in the cinema. characters were forgetable, complete lack of tension, no emotions... And I don't really care much about fan-service. I just want to see a good movie. | ||
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Sermokala
United States14038 Posts
On December 18 2016 19:19 mantequilla wrote: + Show Spoiler + I just came from the theater. Movie was ok but, I didn't understand two points in the plot, maybe you can explain it to me. It is possible that I didn't catch some dialog. 1) why does vader rebuke the commander (I forgot his name) for the first test shot of death star? A complete success and destruction of a rebel planet. Shouldn't he be pleased? 2) why does the death star destroy the second planet where the archives are? Isn't it an important empire planet? If it's to deny rebels stealing the plans, why not shoot the transmitter antenna or the archive instead of slowly blowing an entire friendly planet? + Show Spoiler + both of these fall under the same thing. Vader doesn't want the Senate to know about the death star until it's time. The first time it's covered up by a mining disaster and the second time is to eliminate evidence of the rebel strike on the planet an maybe stop the plans from getting out. You can see the dish is the first thing taken out at the end. And the shield destroy plan was simple and made sense. The one ship the hammerhead was pushing was disabled and was pushed into the other ship and then all three fell to the gravity well and overloaded the shield ring. Idk what part wasn't clear in the movie but there you go. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On December 18 2016 20:15 disciple wrote: Yea I agree the movie did great service to hardcore fans, but I also think those hardcore fans need to be more demanding to the material of these stand alone movies. Instead of really going deep into the lore, we got a movie thats explained in the title crawl of ANH, next we will have a Han Solo movie and then maybe a Obi Wan flick with ewan mcgregor. All of those will be basically nostalgia porn and there is so much great material to pick from the extended universe. Not saying that will we never get a movie set in the old republic, but given disneys time line it might be 10 years till that happens. And its up to the hardcore fans to make disney course correct. How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. | ||
Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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Brazil5776 Posts
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
On December 18 2016 18:31 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler + I'm not sure it's all canon anymore, but both Luke and Palpatine did some absurdly OP stuff, and Anakin is stronger than Palpatine in sensitivity. Killing a single ship is peanuts in comparison. And no, there was no reason for her to be there, or for Vader to arrive seconds too late while the rebels spent forever dicking around with a door. She could have been halfway across the galaxy and they send the plans to her, or halfway out the system at least. It's simple fan service, and it actually breaks continuity with ANH, because Leia was clearly not on a "simple diplomatic mission". + Show Spoiler + This was bugging me when I got out of the theatre but I quickly thought a reasonable way for it to work. All Vader saw was a Corellian Corvette escape, there was no way for him to actually know first off that Leia was onboard the ship or even which ship it was once it jumped into Hyperspace. It's not like it's the Millenium Falcon which is unique, Corellian Corvettes are literally everywhere in the galaxy. Yet Vader tracks it anyway but he can't actually prove to the Galactic Senate that it was the same ship which is why the Death Star testing on Alderran gets accelerated. It's definitely fan service but it's totally justifiable when you stop to think it through for a second. | ||
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phagga
Switzerland2194 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + One of the Star Destroyes was no longer operational, it had been disabled by the Y-Wings earlier in the battle. I cannot remember the details, but it was made very clear that one Star Destroyer was no longer controllable and that its guns/turrets were no longer operable. The Hammerhead pushed that one into the still working one. This way, it was also covered from any enemy fire coming from the still working SD. However, the collision of the two SD was overdone, it did not make sense that such a small ship was able to accelerate one SD on such a short path to cause a massive collision like that. Besides that, I thought the scene was fine, even with a smaller collision I can see at least one of the two SDs going down. | ||
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disciple
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On December 19 2016 01:49 Falling wrote: How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. I just think its a matter of policy - right now the Skywalker saga is meant to appeal to a broader audience, my dad will go watch any movie in the series that has a Skywalker in it, yet he was very disappointed in Rogue One and I doubt he will go see another anthology movie. I give him as an example cause I think he represents the demographic Disney aims to capture with the anthology movies - thats why they will rehash old familiar things with those - Rogue One being a good example and the Han Solo movie probably doing the exact same thing. Without a familiar name attached like Darth Vader or Han Solo those people will lose excitement and wont go see the movie. And I believe this kind of starwars fans are very huge group of people. Disney gives the false promise that those movies are made for the hardcore fans while I think its the exact opposite - they want to keep as many casuals as possible from the Skywalker saga viewer base. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On December 19 2016 01:49 Falling wrote: How would we go about doing that? Because if it was up to me and my demands, I would have the Zahn trilogy and the X wing series turned into films. I would also have General Jan Dodonna be a major part of the planning stage of the+ Show Spoiler + Death Star plans strike/ heist. I have a soft spot for clever generals, whereas Hollywood hates top down authority and prefers the mavericks that disobey orders and solves the problems outside the command structure. + Show Spoiler [offtopic] + Haha, you sound like the dialogue in Marvel's Agents of SHIELD midseason finale (or maybe the ep before) with the new director and coulson discussing whether Solo or Ackbar is the real hero of Star Wars | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
Poll: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good (12) Toe-to-toe with ep VII, both were good (8) A bit worse than ep VII, wich is no shame, ep VII was hyype (6) Good for fans, medium for non fans (3) Way worse than ep VII (2) Won't compare the 2 films, it was just good. (2) 33 total votes Your vote: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Vote): Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good Have seen too much mixed feelings, and I think this pool might be cool to see what everyone thinks. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18499 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:24 Pontual wrote: Poll: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good (12) Toe-to-toe with ep VII, both were good (8) A bit worse than ep VII, wich is no shame, ep VII was hyype (6) Good for fans, medium for non fans (3) Way worse than ep VII (2) Won't compare the 2 films, it was just good. (2) 33 total votes Your vote: How Good was Rogue One: A Star Wars Story (Vote): Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good Have seen too much mixed feelings, and I think this pool might be cool to see what everyone thinks. mainstream loves Episode 7, so this poll will surely decide Ep7 > Rogue One | ||
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thePunGun
598 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:40 sharkie wrote: mainstream loves Episode 7, so this poll will surely decide Ep7 > Rogue One Well, to be fair Ep7 had characters, who felt like "real" people, one could actually care about. Whereas Rogue One has + Show Spoiler + way to many characters, who are poorly introduced and feel disposable/interchangeable. Except for Jyn I cared for none of them! Not even K-2SO, who to me seemed like a poor version of KOTOR's HK-47(even though I love Alan Tudyk, he did his best turning those turds of dialogue he was given into ...not gold..but something less turdy I gues ) They could have done so much more with less characters, this movie just felt like a nostalgia jerk off without any substance.. The Star Wars Aftermath books have a more compelling story, than the RO script...and they where no gold either, but still a fun read. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
On December 20 2016 00:40 sharkie wrote: mainstream loves Episode 7, so this poll will surely decide Ep7 > Rogue One I voted for Episode 7 is a bit better than Rogue One solely on the strength of Rogue One's last few minutes. Otherwise, it'd be a rout in favor of Episode 7. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
Way better than ep VII, the force awakens wasn't even good (1) I blame kwizach | ||
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LegalLord
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disciple
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:07 disciple wrote: If you are on the fence or didnt like Rogue One, heres some top shelf reaffirmative bullshit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4 + Show Spoiler + Their hatred for the CGI Tarkin is a bit weird. I thought he was really really well done. Leia wasn't. I also liked how Vader looked like his ANH suit, and I thought that was great. I think they are far too negative. Yes, the characters are not very interesting. But the action was great. And I liked K2SO. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I try not to think "I know that actor!" and the like while watching the movie - it just spoils things for no reason. The Tarkin was well done, let's not take that away from them. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
First off, it's a complete clone of Star Wars Episode IV in terms of the story, everything from starting on Desert Planets and ending with the destruction of the death star, to the tie fighter vs Millenium Falcon scene, to the mentor's death at the hands of the main bad guy scene. Secondly, there's the absolute ridiculousness of Starkiller Base which even in a world with crazy impossible astrophysics like Star Wars this stupid super weapon completely breaks any kind of immersive believability. So we have people criticizing Rogue One for not having great standalone characters + Show Spoiler + (despite the fact you knew they were all doomed from the beginning) The action sequences in Rogue One IMO are OBJECTIVELY better than anything in Episode VII (unless you're a super fan of lightsaber duels) and the story is comparable in quality to Episode VII and contains just as many unique and memorable moments. I went into Rogue One with high expectations and I went into Episode VII with very LOW expectations and Rogue One still left me with a much better overall opinion when it was said and done. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On December 19 2016 22:41 Acrofales wrote: + Show Spoiler [offtopic] + Haha, you sound like the dialogue in Marvel's Agents of SHIELD midseason finale (or maybe the ep before) with the new director and coulson discussing whether Solo or Ackbar is the real hero of Star Wars I haven't seen that particular episode, but I'm sure I would like it. There is a list of Rebel military commanders that was dear to me when I was quite young: Jan Dodonna, Carlist Rieekan, Crix Madine, Admiral Ackbar. One of my favourite tie-in of the old Rogue Squadron game was that Rieekan was your commander. Any EU reference to the cleverness of Dodonna was a highlight for me. His insignificant role in this film was disappointing, but not unexpected. I think that's also why Thrawn (and his Rebel/ New Republic counterpart Iblis) appealed so much to me. | ||
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mantequilla
Turkey779 Posts
I just rewatced the episode V, which mostly considered one of the best in the series. There is a 20 minute at the start which doesn't add anything to the plot. Skywalker goes out sightseeing on an ice planet and gets caught in the storm etc. And then there's that overly long chase scene with Han constantly advancing on princess... Movie kinda starts at yoda's house. Nowadays movies don't do such things, they jump straight into main plot or the action. This sometimes leads to shallow characters whom you don't connect or care about, but overall it's up to the personal taste I think. I personally don't like long scenes that doesn't add anything to the plot. | ||
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AngryMag
Germany1040 Posts
All in all a 08/15 Hollywood action movie with good looks but not a lot of substance. IMO Episode VII clearly better. Bang Average 5/10 | ||
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sharkie
Austria18499 Posts
On December 20 2016 21:34 AngryMag wrote: Not my cup of tea. Character design was bad, music felt misplaced at times, buildup was bad and seemed to be rushed at times. Character introduction (on nearly all characters in the movie) and scenes were too short to create immersion. IMO less scenes and characters but a bit more focus would have been good for the movie. All in all a 08/15 Hollywood action movie with good looks but not a lot of substance. IMO Episode VII clearly better. Bang Average 5/10 Funny how you described Episode 7 while saying Episode 7 is better. XD | ||
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Pontual
Brazil3038 Posts
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c3rberUs
Japan11286 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On December 20 2016 19:34 mantequilla wrote: I think this movie reflects the current trend of movies jumping straight into plot without wasting much time. Everything from the start advances the plot, sometimes it gets too fast. I just rewatced the episode V, which mostly considered one of the best in the series. There is a 20 minute at the start which doesn't add anything to the plot. Skywalker goes out sightseeing on an ice planet and gets caught in the storm etc. And then there's that overly long chase scene with Han constantly advancing on princess... Movie kinda starts at yoda's house. Nowadays movies don't do such things, they jump straight into main plot or the action. This sometimes leads to shallow characters whom you don't connect or care about, but overall it's up to the personal taste I think. I personally don't like long scenes that doesn't add anything to the plot. Yeah i found this too, i mean in the opening 10 minutes didn't they planet hop like 5 times plus? Luckily it slowed down after that but i was thinking i might be getting lost in this very fast if they continue at this rate. | ||
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ShoCkeyy
7815 Posts
My girlfriend who isn't a huge star wars fan cried through most of the movies, so you know the drama is real and kicking even for those who don't understand the universe. As for those who do, just enjoy the movie, at least they're not bad adaptations of movies that came out in the 70's... | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Fliparoni
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
On December 21 2016 03:29 Fliparoni wrote: Gong back to watch this a 3rd time with my wife and a friend who havent seen it yet. Still think this might be my favorite Star Wars movie since ROTJ even after repeated viewings. Still think this blows The Force Awakens away even after repeated viewings. I seriously still cant believe how good this movie is. I also still cant believe this somehow escaped the Disney corporate mediocrity police and was somehow released to the public. your favorite movie silent of the lambs ? :d i have the same thing with the dark knight,i can watch this movie 1 time x week without getting bored | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On December 20 2016 03:07 disciple wrote: If you are on the fence or didnt like Rogue One, heres some top shelf reaffirmative bullshit https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc2kFk5M9x4 They are spot on with their review. The movie made it hard for me to care about anyone or anything. On December 20 2016 21:45 Pontual wrote: The pool reflects perfectly the mixed feelings about this movie, top 2 voted are straight up opposites lol Poll is missing the option "Disliked both" though. Funny, when Episode 7 was released everybody loved it and I was one of the few in here who disliked it. 1 year later everybody is talking about how bad Episode 7 is and how awesome Rogue One is in contrast. Lets see what people say about this movie when the hype has settled. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
Rogue One was great for what it was, it was a glimpse into Star Wars history and it accomplished it tremendously well. So since I didn't vote my final vote would've been, it was a great amazing movie, much better than the mediocre Episode VII. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
On December 21 2016 03:09 ShoCkeyy wrote: As a fan since birth, this movie did it for me. I don't understand how everyone critiques it all the time. These people spent almost two+ years, and millions upon millions creating a movie to take up two hrs of your time. And then people "dislike", because it had a few plot holes or wasn't "killer" enough. Those two hrs were well spent, even if things weren't done correctly. Nothing is ever going to be 100% the way you want it, the movie is made for millions of people. My girlfriend who isn't a huge star wars fan cried through most of the movies, so you know the drama is real and kicking even for those who don't understand the universe. As for those who do, just enjoy the movie, at least they're not bad adaptations of movies that came out in the 70's... Yea I feel like the only people who didn't care about the characters were the ACTUAL Star Wars fans+ Show Spoiler + who knew that they were all doomed from the start since none of these characters appear in the later movies. | ||
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Bigtony
United States1606 Posts
All the throwback touches were quite nice (except for the thugs from mos eisley being on jehda) and slipped in discreetly. I don't mind the CGI of Tarkin/Leia (really who ****ing cares if they are uncanny valley? they're on screen for a miniscule amount of time). | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
The movie opens up with a few shots of Mads Mikkelsen playing on the farm with his daughter and wife, generally having a good time. Lambda lands and Imperials try to take Mads with them. Enter your typical "Daddy, no! Please!" scene. Daughter runs to daddy, daddy runs to daughter. Troopers subdue daddy, shoot mommy and drop the kid with a rifle butt before dragging unconscious daddy back to the shuttle. Cut to the scene with crying kid holding down mommy, some gangbangers appear, led by Forrest Whitaker. Now we jump forward in time, the kid is a bit older and we see her pick-pocketing in the market, bringing loot to Whitaker and such. She gets spotted, brief chase, Imperials catch her and take her away. Another jump in time. Diego Luna is running from the Imperials, she runs into the alley, where he sees Felicity Jones beating on some dudes while trying to extort their money. Some troopers run in, he shoots them. Girl is like "Fuck! You got me involved in this shit! I can't go back to prison!". They run away thanks to her knowledge of the city but one of them gets injured. What follows is a couple of scenes where one of them takes care of the other (doesn't matter which), they share some memories, how they hate the Empire etc. There's a connection between them, they kiss and become lovers. Diego introduces Felicity to the Rebels. We see a couple of scenes where they undertake some missions together, their relationship grows. Someone mentions Mads, Felicity wants to know more. The plan to steal the plans (all pun intended) is hatched. They assemble a small, motley crew (just extras to die, no one special) and embark on a mission. We get an Ocean's Eleven/Mission Impossible style infiltration into some facility. They get discovered because Felicity wants to see Mads. Everyone dies but Felicity manages to drop the plans into an escape pod or something before being captured. Cut to the shot of Leia's ship picking up the pod. Cut to the shot of Felicity, in Imperial uniform standing with someone saying something along the lines of "Did you plant the tracker as you were supposed to, agent?". Felicity nods. BAM! | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On December 21 2016 09:31 Manit0u wrote: Imagine this: The movie opens up with a few shots of Mads Mikkelsen playing on the farm with his daughter and wife, generally having a good time. Lambda lands and Imperials try to take Mads with them. Enter your typical "Daddy, no! Please!" scene. Daughter runs to daddy, daddy runs to daughter. Troopers subdue daddy, shoot mommy and drop the kid with a rifle butt before dragging unconscious daddy back to the shuttle. Cut to the scene with crying kid holding down mommy, some gangbangers appear, led by Forrest Whitaker. Now we jump forward in time, the kid is a bit older and we see her pick-pocketing in the market, bringing loot to Whitaker and such. She gets spotted, brief chase, Imperials catch her and take her away. Another jump in time. Diego Luna is running from the Imperials, she runs into the alley, where he sees Felicity Jones beating on some dudes while trying to extort their money. Some troopers run in, he shoots them. Girl is like "Fuck! You got me involved in this shit! I can't go back to prison!". They run away thanks to her knowledge of the city but one of them gets injured. What follows is a couple of scenes where one of them takes care of the other (doesn't matter which), they share some memories, how they hate the Empire etc. There's a connection between them, they kiss and become lovers. Diego introduces Felicity to the Rebels. We see a couple of scenes where they undertake some missions together, their relationship grows. Someone mentions Mads, Felicity wants to know more. The plan to steal the plans (all pun intended) is hatched. They assemble a small, motley crew (just extras to die, no one special) and embark on a mission. We get an Ocean's Eleven/Mission Impossible style infiltration into some facility. They get discovered because Felicity wants to see Mads. Everyone dies but Felicity manages to drop the plans into an escape pod or something before being captured. Cut to the shot of Leia's ship picking up the pod. Cut to the shot of Felicity, in Imperial uniform standing with someone saying something along the lines of "Did you plant the tracker as you were supposed to, agent?". Felicity nods. BAM! And there I thought you were only good as a programmer | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 21 2016 11:36 Acrofales wrote: And there I thought you were only good as a programmer I learned programming by helping with MUD development. Those quests don't write themselves you know But on a more serious note. This could've been a really good movie if all of the pointless fan service and introduction of plenty of totally superfluous characters that weren't vital to the plot (mostly for the sake of diversity) were instead turned into developing just the few, key characters we could actually care about. Think about it. What those characters actually added to the movie/story? Chirrut Imwe, Saw Gerrera, Baze Malbus, Darth Vader, Leia Organa, Wilhuff Tarkin, C3-PO, R2-D2 - that's 8 characters this movie could just as well do without. K2-SO could potentially make the list but Star Wars is notorious for some droid characters. Another thing was constant location switching. I must say that in the first 5 minutes of the movie I was nothing but confused. They could've sticked to 3-4 key locations (without much jumping between them) and it would do the movie nothing but good. Action scenes were well made and all, but everything else was rather lackluster. A mediocre movie at best. | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 21 2016 13:08 FranzF1 wrote: The movie was good, accomplished its purpose. Was fun, had some really nostalgic moments and was really pretty. If you didn't like it, you are probably someone who hates fun. I don't hate fun. This movie simply wasted its potential (and it pisses me off). Ep VII was a lot better. I mean, just look at some of the early concepts: http://www.polygon.com/2016/12/20/14025468/meet-the-original-cast-of-rogue-one-concept-art Much better than what we got... | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 21 2016 09:31 Manit0u wrote: Imagine this: The movie opens up with a few shots of Mads Mikkelsen playing on the farm with his daughter and wife, generally having a good time. Lambda lands and Imperials try to take Mads with them. Enter your typical "Daddy, no! Please!" scene. Daughter runs to daddy, daddy runs to daughter. Troopers subdue daddy, shoot mommy and drop the kid with a rifle butt before dragging unconscious daddy back to the shuttle. Cut to the scene with crying kid holding down mommy, some gangbangers appear, led by Forrest Whitaker. Now we jump forward in time, the kid is a bit older and we see her pick-pocketing in the market, bringing loot to Whitaker and such. She gets spotted, brief chase, Imperials catch her and take her away. Another jump in time. Diego Luna is running from the Imperials, she runs into the alley, where he sees Felicity Jones beating on some dudes while trying to extort their money. Some troopers run in, he shoots them. Girl is like "Fuck! You got me involved in this shit! I can't go back to prison!". They run away thanks to her knowledge of the city but one of them gets injured. What follows is a couple of scenes where one of them takes care of the other (doesn't matter which), they share some memories, how they hate the Empire etc. There's a connection between them, they kiss and become lovers. Diego introduces Felicity to the Rebels. We see a couple of scenes where they undertake some missions together, their relationship grows. Someone mentions Mads, Felicity wants to know more. The plan to steal the plans (all pun intended) is hatched. They assemble a small, motley crew (just extras to die, no one special) and embark on a mission. We get an Ocean's Eleven/Mission Impossible style infiltration into some facility. They get discovered because Felicity wants to see Mads. Everyone dies but Felicity manages to drop the plans into an escape pod or something before being captured. Cut to the shot of Leia's ship picking up the pod. Cut to the shot of Felicity, in Imperial uniform standing with someone saying something along the lines of "Did you plant the tracker as you were supposed to, agent?". Felicity nods. BAM! An explanation of why Jyn is serving the Empire would be required in that scenario, because otherwise it would make little sense for her to be helping those responsible for her mother's brutal murder in front of her. The idea of a tracking device leading the Empire to the Tantive IV is pretty good in itself, but it would mean that the Empire would then have had no reason to intercept the ship, since they would have wanted to follow it to the Rebel base (which is exactly what they ended up doing in ANH once they managed to bug the Falcon). | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 18 2016 19:19 mantequilla wrote: + Show Spoiler + I just came from the theater. Movie was ok but, I didn't understand two points in the plot, maybe you can explain it to me. It is possible that I didn't catch some dialog. 1) why does vader rebuke the commander (I forgot his name) for the first test shot of death star? A complete success and destruction of a rebel planet. Shouldn't he be pleased? 2) why does the death star destroy the second planet where the archives are? Isn't it an important empire planet? If it's to deny rebels stealing the plans, why not shoot the transmitter antenna or the archive instead of slowly blowing an entire friendly planet? + Show Spoiler + i thought they said the first test was on Alderaan in episode 4? Tarkin makes a big deal about how remote Dantooine is for an effective demonstration | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 21 2016 14:52 arb wrote: + Show Spoiler + i thought they said the first test was on Alderaan in episode 4? Tarkin makes a big deal about how remote Dantooine is for an effective demonstration + Show Spoiler + By "demonstration" it is clear he means "show the weapon off to the galaxy." | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 21 2016 14:55 LegalLord wrote: + Show Spoiler + By "demonstration" it is clear he means "show the weapon off to the galaxy." + Show Spoiler + so did they go through some big secret coverup when they destroyed other planets? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
On December 21 2016 14:56 arb wrote: + Show Spoiler + so did they go through some big secret coverup when they destroyed other planets? + Show Spoiler + This movie made it sound as much; they explicitly talked about it. | ||
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 21 2016 14:58 LegalLord wrote: + Show Spoiler + This movie made it sound as much; they explicitly talked about it. + Show Spoiler + Doing a bit more research from the Star Wars wiki(lol i know) it even says the first test was on Alderaan how strange | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 21 2016 14:52 arb wrote: + Show Spoiler + i thought they said the first test was on Alderaan in episode 4? Tarkin makes a big deal about how remote Dantooine is for an effective demonstration + Show Spoiler + Alderaan was the first test and demonstration of the Death Star's ability to completely destroy an entire planet. Scarif and Jedha largely suffered surface damage -- they were not completely blown up. Only a fraction of the full firepower of the Death Star was used on them. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 21 2016 13:46 kwizach wrote: An explanation of why Jyn is serving the Empire would be required in that scenario, because otherwise it would make little sense for her to be helping those responsible for her mother's brutal murder in front of her. The idea of a tracking device leading the Empire to the Tantive IV is pretty good in itself, but it would mean that the Empire would then have had no reason to intercept the ship, since they would have wanted to follow it to the Rebel base (which is exactly what they ended up doing in ANH once they managed to bug the Falcon). Obviously something I've written ad hoc isn't going to be perfect Jyn serving the Empire is just one of the many possibilities. Original intent I've had was that when she was captured as a young girl she got indoctrinated and trained as an agent. Then, sent back later on to infiltrate Garro's gang as her initial field test. Diego inviting her to join the Rebellion could be seen by her as a great opportunity to advance in the ranks. I still need to polish the finish a bit. In my idea I was going for Jyn being torn between various driving forces behind her: - reconciliation with long lost father - love for Diego, which started as a ruse but possibly evolved into something real - her service to the Empire There's plenty of emotional potential there. The tracking device thingie could be dropped entirely (as well as Jyn's service to the Empire) in favor of the original RO concept (no father backstory, we meet Jyn as an adult rebel commando, director Krennic being an Imperial spy embedded in her squad). In any case, I'd rather it be more of an espionage movie (something like Where Eagles Dare would be just perfect) than "run at them with guns blazing" movie. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
they fucking killed everyone I actually loved the characters. I thought + Show Spoiler + Galen Erso's death Jyn and Cassian was subtlety heartbreaking At the beginning I didn't feel jack for the characters, but by the end I really cared. Felicity Jones was fucking baller and now I'm stuck between Rey and Jyn. Their characters are both so empoweringly sexy that I don't know what to do. + Show Spoiler + im actually quite sad we'll never see any of these characters in another Star Wars movie. Didn't think there was a weak link (of the rebellion 5-6) | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On December 21 2016 16:22 Manit0u wrote: Obviously something I've written ad hoc isn't going to be perfect Jyn serving the Empire is just one of the many possibilities. Original intent I've had was that when she was captured as a young girl she got indoctrinated and trained as an agent. Then, sent back later on to infiltrate Garro's gang as her initial field test. Diego inviting her to join the Rebellion could be seen by her as a great opportunity to advance in the ranks. I still need to polish the finish a bit. In my idea I was going for Jyn being torn between various driving forces behind her: - reconciliation with long lost father - love for Diego, which started as a ruse but possibly evolved into something real - her service to the Empire There's plenty of emotional potential there. The tracking device thingie could be dropped entirely (as well as Jyn's service to the Empire) in favor of the original RO concept (no father backstory, we meet Jyn as an adult rebel commando, director Krennic being an Imperial spy embedded in her squad). In any case, I'd rather it be more of an espionage movie (something like Where Eagles Dare would be just perfect) than "run at them with guns blazing" movie. I like your concepts alot more. Give us some emotions! Something to care for. Also her working for the empire would make it more treatening (everyone could be an agent). We don't acutally know alot about the empire apart from it being evil. And i actually feel sorry them. Everything they built gets blown up really quick and the stormtroopers, while they've never been good at aiming, now die by the dozends in just 1 second by one machine gun or a guy with a wooden stick (although they have armor). They feel like the romans from the Asterix comics. This makes me care even less for the good guys. | ||
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Laurens
Belgium4550 Posts
Whenever people complain about a lack of character development I just shrug. It's a sci-fi action movie, I've come for space battles and cool fighting moves, not character development. Lack of lightsabers is a shame but Donnie makes up for it. I guess it won't come as a surprise that I don't rate the old trilogy as high as pretty much everyone else in the world. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 21 2016 23:20 Laurens wrote: Quite liked the movie. Whenever people complain about a lack of character development I just shrug. It's a sci-fi action movie, I've come for space battles and cool fighting moves, not character development. Lack of lightsabers is a shame but Donnie makes up for it. I guess it won't come as a surprise that I don't rate the old trilogy as high as pretty much everyone else in the world. In a sci-fi movie you can have space battles, cool fighting moves AND character development (as demonstrated by the likes of recent Star Trek reboots, Guardians of the Galaxy and Force Awakens). Rogue One has really nice cinematography but not much else going for it. | ||
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TerransHill
Germany572 Posts
On December 21 2016 23:20 Laurens wrote: Quite liked the movie. Whenever people complain about a lack of character development I just shrug. It's a sci-fi action movie, I've come for space battles and cool fighting moves, not character development. Lack of lightsabers is a shame but Donnie makes up for it. I guess it won't come as a surprise that I don't rate the old trilogy as high as pretty much everyone else in the world. As has already been said, a "good" movie has everything. Just space battles and cool fighting moves don't make a movie good, makes it decent at best (by the way, I don't really remember cool fighting moves). Also, Star Wars (at least the old movies) always had a philosophical touch and the new movies kinda try to have it but I can't take that serious because there is no substance to it and just makes it silly. I just don't know what kind of movie they want to be. When I want to watch a fun action movie I much prefer a movie like Fast & Furious. It has cool dudes like Vin and Dwayne, cars, babes, wiz khalifa music and it's action right from the beginning and I don't have to sit through 1 hour of boring shit. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Dark_Chill
Canada3353 Posts
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
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Falling
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 18 2016 11:57 Falling wrote: I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character.. Also, how about the bit about "The Force of Others" (also from the early drafts). | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
-In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? Also jumping not so perilous as before? + Show Spoiler + (I'd love if some minor character in a StarWarsStory gets vaporized just once because they decided calculations not so important.) -Glad we got some Tarkin love. I always thought he was a cool character who shoulda been in the prequels. + Show Spoiler + Because his decision-making was strange, and I would have loved to see an explanation... like, if he commanded the Republic troops who fought with Anakin/Obi Wan (not clones because the Mandalorian enemy has the clones of course) and he was a brilliant commander, but was always frustrated with being impossibly outgunned. So in ANH he gets a Death Star and he's totally overwhelmed with the notion that he can just vaporize planets, which is why he doesn't launch fighters etc. None of that here, but it's obviously late in the story for that. -Some silly plotholes, but of the allowable kind for a Star Wars movie. -Liked the War Movie genre switch. + Show Spoiler + Would be cool to see other genre Star Wars movies... straight-up Western romance with a ride-into-the-sunset would be appreciated, for instance. Or perhaps political thriller with literally every character an Imperial officer? Han Solo movie could credibly be a caper film. -Some actual subtext, which was a cool thing to see in Star Wars, though obviously out-of-genre for the primary films. -Lethal stakes. + Show Spoiler + And don't give me this, "they're not in later movies, of course they die." Like, I thought they were gonna die, but because of the genre not their lack of later appearance. Star Wars galaxy is huge... they aren't obligated to kill every side character who doesn't appear in later movies. It's as silly as how after Ep 1 people were saying Naboo was gonna get blown up because we don't see it later. Uh...no. It's a random backwater planet. We just don't give a shit later. -Generally good movie. Preferred this to Ep 7, though still think 4/5 are the best. I think this beats out 6 despite 6's awesome terminal sequence (this had a great ending too.). | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
And don't give me this, "they're not in later movies, of course they die." Like, I thought they were gonna die, but because of the genre not their lack of later appearance. Star Wars galaxy is huge... they aren't obligated to kill every side character who doesn't appear in later movies. It's as silly as how after Ep 1 people were saying Naboo was gonna get blown up because we don't see it later. Uh...no. It's a random backwater planet. We just don't give a shit later. Yeah that reason wasn't the reason I was hoping for it... or even genre reason. Going into movie, I thought it was the best story choice to end the film. + Show Spoiler + I thought it was single greatest opportunity to get the biggest kill count, but still have a movie that was tonally consistent with the rest, aka a happy ending. The happy ending comes from our knowledge of the Original Trilogy and from a meaningful death. They were victorious though not for themselves. (I'm thinking of some Lord of the Rings dialogue leading up to the final assault on the Black Gate from the books.) The huge death count gives greater weight to Episode IV- the mission of the droids and what it took to get that information. A victorious tragedy and a glorious death. This was the perfect moment and they did not hold back. I think it nicely parallels the Jedi philosophy of the Original Trilogy (the prequel Jedi philosophy is a mess)- surrendering to death rather than clinging to life, and the voluntary sacrifice of the view allows ultimate victory for the rest. | ||
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riotjune
United States3394 Posts
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + My one gripe with the movie is Vader's costume looked weird. Like the neck was bulky or something and that choking on your asspirations pun didn't seem Vader esq either. Otherwise, friggin awesome movie! | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 22 2016 00:39 TerransHill wrote: As has already been said, a "good" movie has everything. Just space battles and cool fighting moves don't make a movie good, makes it decent at best (by the way, I don't really remember cool fighting moves). Also, Star Wars (at least the old movies) always had a philosophical touch and the new movies kinda try to have it but I can't take that serious because there is no substance to it and just makes it silly. I just don't know what kind of movie they want to be. When I want to watch a fun action movie I much prefer a movie like Fast & Furious. It has cool dudes like Vin and Dwayne, cars, babes, wiz khalifa music and it's action right from the beginning and I don't have to sit through 1 hour of boring shit. I mean sure, if you completely overlook the fact that there's a rebellion that would prefer to do things peacefully but is forced into acts of force due to an overwhelming force that is more than willing to crush it. In any of the previous movies the rebellion is painted in an entirely different light. It's clean. Their missions have purpose. Here? + Show Spoiler + Informant's got a bad arm, gonna shoot him before the troopers get here so he doesn't squeal/is dead weight. Hell, it even goes one step further with, paraphrasing, + Show Spoiler + "That's not order, that's terror." "We have to start somewhere." On December 22 2016 04:26 Yoav wrote: So, a few things: -In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? Also jumping not so perilous as before? + Show Spoiler + (I'd love if some minor character in a StarWarsStory gets vaporized just once because they decided calculations not so important.) -Glad we got some Tarkin love. I always thought he was a cool character who shoulda been in the prequels. + Show Spoiler + Because his decision-making was strange, and I would have loved to see an explanation... like, if he commanded the Republic troops who fought with Anakin/Obi Wan (not clones because the Mandalorian enemy has the clones of course) and he was a brilliant commander, but was always frustrated with being impossibly outgunned. So in ANH he gets a Death Star and he's totally overwhelmed with the notion that he can just vaporize planets, which is why he doesn't launch fighters etc. None of that here, but it's obviously late in the story for that. + Show Spoiler + Atmo hyperspace was more a matter of necessity. Yeah, they could have slingshot themselves into hyperluminal death, but at the same time space if pretty empty, even in the SW galaxy. Besides, at least that way there was a chance. Not doing it means you get burried under tons of rubble so even if you survive the initial impact you aren't making it out alive anyway. He felt no reason to send out the fighters in ANH because he wasn't aware of the design flaw. The Empire didn't know why the Rebels were going after the plans outside of the fact that they were the plans. This is shown by the fact that they didn't fix it in time or even appear to start fixing it. ANH even gives context to the whole situation that they don't send out the fighters because they don't think they need to. What is a few, one/two manned fighters compared to a planet killer? | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 22 2016 10:21 Gahlo wrote: He felt no reason to send out the fighters in ANH because he wasn't aware of the design flaw. The Empire didn't know why the Rebels were going after the plans outside of the fact that they were the plans. This is shown by the fact that they didn't fix it in time or even appear to start fixing it. ANH even gives context to the whole situation that they don't send out the fighters because they don't think they need to. What is a few, one/two manned fighters compared to a planet killer? Right, but even if you don't know the design flaw you still send out the fighters. Like, if the Spanish Armada attacked a Carrier Battle Group, they pose no real threat to anyone or anything belowdecks, but they're still gonna get strafed, shot, and torpedoed to hell. Darth Vader got this, and deployed his personal squadron. But Tarkin was thickheaded about it, which implies a particular kind of arrogance. And remember, they do actually figure out the plan belatedly... "We've analyzed their attack and there is a danger... do you want to evacuate?" "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?" | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
Star Wars is one of the few franchise's I would 100% gladly fall into and never want to come back. Only LotR and Harry Potter have made me want to *be* various characters/races/etc. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 22 2016 11:52 Yoav wrote: Right, but even if you don't know the design flaw you still send out the fighters. Like, if the Spanish Armada attacked a Carrier Battle Group, they pose no real threat to anyone or anything belowdecks, but they're still gonna get strafed, shot, and torpedoed to hell. Darth Vader got this, and deployed his personal squadron. But Tarkin was thickheaded about it, which implies a particular kind of arrogance. And remember, they do actually figure out the plan belatedly... "We've analyzed their attack and there is a danger... do you want to evacuate?" "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?" That's because Tarkin at that period of time is incredibly arrogant. He's one of the few people that's in good with the Emperor and Vader. That's the whole reason why he's able to just walk in and make a power play for command of the Death Star in the first place. + Show Spoiler + That's why Vader tells Krennic to sit the fuck down when he visits Vader on Mustafar(which is where that is, for people that put it together but were lacking confirmation.) On December 22 2016 11:59 darthfoley wrote: The Star Wars universe is just so fucking cool. I wish there were more modern video games that weren't FPS based about Star Wars. Maybe there are. Star Wars is one of the few franchise's I would 100% gladly fall into and never want to come back. Only LotR and Harry Potter have made me want to *be* various characters/races/etc. While not as good as it's predcessors and held back from AAA level production due to it being an MMO, the class stories in SWTOR are pretty decent, especially when you play other ones and see how events impact the other classes or characters that know each other end up in different places. I've heard the newer content is really nice aswell. While dated, you'd be making a big mistake if you never played KOTORs 1 and 2(with the restoration patch) if you can stomach the D20 game style. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
On December 22 2016 03:30 Falling wrote: I loved that desperation in that scene with the switch from help us, help us to there is no help for us, take it. By far my favourite scene of the entire film as it shows how monstrous Darth Vader is to a non-force user. Not only that, but I think it put to rest one of the most frustrating re-interpretations by fans to come out of the prequels: that Darth Vader is an old, crippled wash-up. Blah. The Star Wars Rebels series also does some tremendous justice to Vader. Despite how badass Kanan and Ezra are compared with normal imperial troops, neither of them can do much besides run vs Darth Vader, his dark side power absolutely dwarfs theirs just as it would to any normal Jedi still alive after order 66. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 22 2016 12:06 Vindicare605 wrote: The Star Wars Rebels series also does some tremendous justice to Vader. Despite how badass Kanan and Ezra are compared with normal imperial troops, neither of them can do much besides run vs Darth Vader, his dark side power absolutely dwarfs theirs just as it would to any normal Jedi still alive after order 66. + Show Spoiler + Speaking of Rebels, hearing them call for Hera in the rebel base and seeing the Ghost in the fight above Scariff was pretty dope. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 22 2016 04:26 Yoav wrote: So, a few things: -In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? When did this happen? | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
Carth communicates with base and orders HK to change course to Edo. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
how the Rebel fleet seems to have remarkable mobility. They sure seem to be able to travel wherever they want at a moment's notice. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:02 LegalLord wrote: As a not sure if minor complaint I have to say I'm not too happy about + Show Spoiler + how the Rebel fleet seems to have remarkable mobility. They sure seem to be able to travel wherever they want at a moment's notice. + Show Spoiler + A lot like the Minutemen of the American Revolution no? Ready to fight anywhere at a moment's notice. In fairness Hyperspace travel has gotten alot faster as each movie has been made. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:01 Yoav wrote: Carth communicates with base and orders HK to change course to Edo. Oh so you're talking about | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:19 kwizach wrote: Oh so you're talking about SW Rebels, not Rogue One? I agree it should not be possible to send transmissions to normal space or to change course while in hyperspace. Yeah, I'm confused about what he's referencing too since he's using KOTOR2 character names. On December 22 2016 14:06 Orcasgt24 wrote: + Show Spoiler + A lot like the Minutemen of the American Revolution no? Ready to fight anywhere at a moment's notice. In fairness Hyperspace travel has gotten alot faster as each movie has been made. + Show Spoiler + A big problem with doing hyperspace properly in a movie is that it really shrinks down the places you can go. If they need to cross the Galaxy to go from Tundra Planet to Plains Moon 7 it would take weeks in universe. Characters would end up getting off of the ship acting very different to how they did when they got on unless there's some big drama, and the audience would have 0 idea why. Or they show it and people get bored because the crew is sitting aboard the ship and just shooting the breeze for hours. But yeah, any time you get into FTL travel there's going to be that aspect of "suhprise bitches, we here!" It's like how if there's a fighter jet flying towards you from behind, you will see it pass over you before you hear it... except this is much faster. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:19 kwizach wrote: Oh so you're talking about SW Rebels, not Rogue One? I agree it should not be possible to send transmissions to normal space or to change course while in hyperspace. No, Rogue One. I just couldn't remember the name of the Rebel soldier haunted by his past and the snarky robot, so I called them by the names of the equivalent KotOR characters. Don't mind me. It happens right after the mission on Jedda... they escape, then decide mid-course to go to the research base, having communicated with the base. On December 22 2016 14:06 Orcasgt24 wrote: + Show Spoiler + A lot like the Minutemen of the American Revolution no? Ready to fight anywhere at a moment's notice. In fairness Hyperspace travel has gotten alot faster as each movie has been made. Really? I think the fastest we ever see it is Ep IV, where the journey across half the galaxy appears to take a few minutes. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:40 Yoav wrote: No, Rogue One. I just couldn't remember the name of the Rebel soldier haunted by his past and the snarky robot, so I called them by the names of the equivalent KotOR characters. Don't mind me. It happens right after the mission on Jedda... they escape, then decide mid-course to go to the research base, having communicated with the base. Are you sure they're in hyperspace at that point? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:46 kwizach wrote: Are you sure they're in hyperspace at that point? Ah, the $10 question. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 22 2016 14:46 kwizach wrote: Are you sure they're in hyperspace at that point? Blue swirly background. I mean, maybe I am misremembering, but I'm pretty sure they are because I remember thinking it was odd in the theatre. The course correction doesn't necessarily happen in that scene though... it's possible they reached their original jump destination then plotted the new course. Communication I guess could also be like listening to a voice mail? Can't remember if he responded at all. | ||
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
I didn't know everyone would die here. I was damn convinced Jyn would survive so she can hook with Luke sometime later and have Rey. Sad ending is sad Now I don't know who is Rey's mother anymore. Solid movie thoAlso + Show Spoiler + Organa talked about Obi Wan briefly right? edit: Fixed a couple spelling mistakes. | ||
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Orcasgt24
Canada3238 Posts
On December 22 2016 18:11 Salteador Neo wrote: Well maybe I live under a rock but + Show Spoiler + I didn't know everyone would die here. I was damn convinced Jyn would survive so she can hook with Luke sometime later and have Rey. Sad ending is sad Now I don't know who is Rey's mother anymore. Solid move thoAlso + Show Spoiler + did Organa talked about Obi Wan briefly right? + Show Spoiler + Old Ben is indeed the Jedi friend he mentioned | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 22 2016 02:27 darthfoley wrote: The last scene with Vader was just pure badassery, I felt myself panicking in the theatre like I was a rebel soldier. Unfortunately that was the only outstanding scene in this movie. The rest was BLAH. At least it wasn't terrible like SW7. Maybe I need to stop watching Disney SW and forget about it. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
On December 22 2016 18:47 -Archangel- wrote: Unfortunately that was the only outstanding scene in this movie. The rest was BLAH. At least it wasn't terrible like SW7. Maybe I need to stop watching Disney SW and forget about it. What? SW7 was much better than this... | ||
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Sbrubbles
Brazil5776 Posts
As this thread will indicate, many (perhaps most?), myself included, here will disagree. | ||
dravernor
Netherlands6188 Posts
I liked SW7, even though Kylo was a bit of a drip and my favourite character dies, but somehow Rogue One just completely exceeded my expectations and took the number one spot in my heart. Vader was a badass, K2 was fricken hilarious, Cassian was a likeable character and Donnie Yen was amaaaazing. I was devastated because I didn't expect them all to die, but I absolutely loved that they had AT-ATs and AT-ASs and X Wings and A Wings and Tie Fighters and they featured Leia and C3P0 and R2D2 etc. There were some real moments of nerdy tears with all the nostalgia, and the graphics were beautiful. Some of the acting was a bit weak and laughable at points, but only because it was stereotypical and badly written in areas of dialogue. Anyway, I was mostly in the cinema for the awesome graphics and they completely delivered on that one! | ||
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Case123
89 Posts
I'm getting too old for this shit. | ||
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Requizen
United States33802 Posts
On December 22 2016 20:44 Sbrubbles wrote: As this thread will indicate, many (perhaps most?), myself included, here will disagree. I somewhat prefer TFA to this as well. Though I think that's because the characters in this movie were more one-dimensional than the leads in TFA. Not that being one-dimensional is a bad thing - it left a lot more time to focus on the plot and move the story along at a good pace. I just generally prefer movies that are more focused on the characters than the plot. Not saying TFA is one of my favorite movies of all time or that it's the best Star Wars, just comparing the two new ones. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 22 2016 15:10 Yoav wrote: Blue swirly background. I mean, maybe I am misremembering, but I'm pretty sure they are because I remember thinking it was odd in the theatre. The course correction doesn't necessarily happen in that scene though... it's possible they reached their original jump destination then plotted the new course. Communication I guess could also be like listening to a voice mail? Can't remember if he responded at all. Yea you're talking about Cassian and i'm pretty sure it was in hyperspace. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 23 2016 02:03 Case123 wrote: Blergh... Maybe I'm just a cranky old 35 year old but I found the movie to be complete shit. If it was under any other name, like "Galaxy World" or "Space Wars" or something unrelated to Star Wars and I spent $12 to go watch it at the cinema, I would be like what an average, relatively shit movie. So basically a few lasers here, your run of the mill planes shooting at each other, some kung fu guy with average choreography, some Saving Private Ryan beach attack, and a guy chopping down some no names at the end. Oh, and an annoying female character who goes from: "I don't give a shit about revolutions, I just live for myself" to "rebel leaders - we must fight!" just because she saw her dad for ten seconds. I'm getting too old for this shit. Tbf, Jyn watched her childhood savior (Saw) and her father + Show Spoiler + both die within 10 minutes of seeing them The last movie I thought was meh was Spectre, so i'm not the harshest critic :p | ||
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-Archangel-
Croatia7457 Posts
On December 23 2016 03:17 darthfoley wrote: Tbf, Jyn watched her childhood savior (Saw) and her father + Show Spoiler + both die within 10 minutes of seeing them The last movie I thought was meh was Spectre, so i'm not the harshest critic :p Yea, she wanted revenge more than believing in The Cause. | ||
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Case123
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On December 23 2016 03:17 darthfoley wrote: Tbf, Jyn watched her childhood savior (Saw) and her father + Show Spoiler + both die within 10 minutes of seeing them But the thing was, it's like, she's this angry chick (who didn't really have much of a background for us to want to bond with her in the first place) who was all angsty and shit at the beginning, and then all of a sudden she's lecturing people who have spent their entire lives fighting for the cause and obviously have put much more thought into it than her. It's like if you were anti-Trump and pro-Hillary, and you've spent your entire life as a hardcore Democrat, and someone who knows nothing about politics, one day goes: "I don't give a shit about politics, all it does is bring about wars, decides "hey I'm all of a sudden much more knowledgeable and passionate than you about voting for Hillary and here's why you need to put more effort into ensuring Hillary gets elected!" | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + The extent of her transformation was really just finding a cause worth fighting for - it's clear that she was a criminal because she was raised by a rogue and had military skill but not really a purpose. Her father's message helped give her perspective and that's where it came from. Frankly, it's a better motivation than Luke Skywalker, and I didn't really have a problem with him either. You don't need a deep reason to become a rebel in a Star Wars movie. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 25 2016 02:04 Case123 wrote: But the thing was, it's like, she's this angry chick (who didn't really have much of a background for us to want to bond with her in the first place) who was all angsty and shit at the beginning, and then all of a sudden she's lecturing people who have spent their entire lives fighting for the cause and obviously have put much more thought into it than her. It's like if you were anti-Trump and pro-Hillary, and you've spent your entire life as a hardcore Democrat, and someone who knows nothing about politics, one day goes: "I don't give a shit about politics, all it does is bring about wars, decides "hey I'm all of a sudden much more knowledgeable and passionate than you about voting for Hillary and here's why you need to put more effort into ensuring Hillary gets elected!" That happened quite a bit, actually. It's not that outlandish. | ||
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Shellshock
United States97276 Posts
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Faruko
Chile34171 Posts
I loved it, what a great fucking movie, not sure it would work as a standalone movie or for someone that didnt watched A New Hope, but the fact is that this movei was great because it actually felt like a WAR movie (also heist), its depressing, people died, the ending is how it should be. No loose ends, and that makes it all the better, it actually ends. + Show Spoiler + Im sure they could have played it safe leaving Jyn alive with Cassian an others and do more Rogue One movies, but instead they made it this movie to have depth and actually meaning, the fact that everyone died means that the actual plans for the death star werent easy to retrieve and it even makes A New Hope better for it The actual story filling of how the weakness was there in the first place was top tier also | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
It also felt like they could have edited two or three of the "main" characters out of the movie and had time for actual character development so that I cared about anyone besides the droid, especially them + Show Spoiler + kicking the bucket. Overall a fine movie though. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
Edit: though it looks like there's already a thread for it. | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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dravernor
Netherlands6188 Posts
On December 28 2016 04:39 {CC}StealthBlue wrote: Yeah not sure this is the right thread but Disney may have just written itself into a very deep corner considering she has already finished filming her scenes for Episode 8... They can always do what they did with Tarkin: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/movies/how-rogue-one-brought-back-grand-moff-tarkin.html?_r=0 ^ contains spoilers btw so click with caution | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
On December 28 2016 05:01 dravernor wrote: They can always do what they did with Tarkin: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/27/movies/how-rogue-one-brought-back-grand-moff-tarkin.html?_r=0 ^ contains spoilers btw so click with caution They also did that for the younger + Show Spoiler + Leia Put that in spoiler just in case | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Hier
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
Long story short, an overall very much enjoyable movie, more so than SW7. However, that is not because it is 'actually' better than SW7 (I think both are more or less on the same level, some goods and some bads in them sort of balanced out), i said it is 'more enjoyable' than SW7 because Rogue One annoys me less lol. The spoonfeeding and fan service in both are just so annoying (and definitely id say it is exhausting in SW7). Now if I just focus on Rogue One, the spoonfeeding is so annoying while fan service was at an acceptable level. (Overly) Repeatably use of 'force' and many of the fanservice-ty key words, they tried to spoon-feed people even when the bloody things are so obvious. So far both Disney era's products literally treat the audience as dumb people, this is not a coincidence. SW123 you don't see George Lucas did that to the audience. + Show Spoiler + like, bloody hell, we don't even have a Jedi in the movie at all, how many times you heard the word 'Force' mentioned, even in the first scene when Jyn's mum handed over the necklace ffs. Just stop that, force sounds like a joke at this stage. Everyone is force sensitive, huh uh huh. And I'm so disappointed where Donnie not turned out to be a Jedi -_- The space fighting scenes however, were so awesome, x wings look fatter in these new SW for some reason? the hammer head ship banging scene was retarded but is still acceptable. Vader last scene didn't make sense too but who cares it was so cool! And sadly that was the most brutal scene from him we would see? Some editing issues as well, like they jumped the scenes over 4 planets in the first 5mins, who thought that would be the good idea? I also think that Jyn gave such a mediocre performance, her blank facial expressions when she was looking at some CG green screens lol. But overall the casts did their jobs,+ Show Spoiler + I have no idea of all the crew was going to die All in all, slightly above average popcorn movie, if I must rate it among all SW movies, behind 456, maybe on par with the best in 123. | ||
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sharkie
Austria18499 Posts
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zeo
Serbia6299 Posts
The movie dragged on a bit in some parts and all the hype speeches were forgettable. Most of the dialogue was forgettable now that I think about it. Also I can't remember anybodies name besides Jyn and I just watched the movie. Its an OK movie compaired to all the other ones that are comming out today, totally worth the money but not something I would watch again. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
The problem with the EU books wasn't that there was a New Republic, but rather the New Republic got too big too fast and the Empire collapsed entirely after Zahn's first trilogy. Outside of the X-wing series, apparently the only significant threat in the galaxy is four Star Destroyers, a super-weapon of the year, or kidnap the Solo children. But it didn't have to be that way after Zahn's trilogy. If several factions formed that were neither Empire nor Republic, there would have been fodder for stories for years to come. After seeing Rogue One, I dislike even more that the New Republic got reset in one super weapon explosion and we are back to Rebels vs Empire. If you didn't want the New Republic just want to tell Rebel stories, just make it so that the Rebel Alliance still hasn't captured Coruscant, and is still holding the Outer Rim, but hasn't gained the Colonies, Mid Rim, and the Core worlds. Make it a fight for legitimacy (basically the Stackpole and Allston books.) Jumping right past the Republic and back into Rebel territory seems so backwards to me. Oh well. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
What seems to be true is that Star Wars plotlines work better with a conventional enemy more so than a superweapon enemy. Most of this movie involved conventional battles, with the Death Star being merely a "looming background threat" to worry about. The conventional struggle leads to better fights. This movie had less that bothered me, but it was notably weaker in scope and grandiosity than Ep 7. It was a marked improvement from what the trailers led me to believe this movie would be but it ultimately did feel like a side story with throwaway characters. It stood well on its own but 7 had more than that going for it. It just had an infinite amount of hype that simply could never be lived up to, but once you get past that it's a pretty good movie in its own right. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
Most of this movie involved conventional battles, with the Death Star being merely a "looming background threat" to worry about. The conventional struggle leads to better fights. Absolutely. It's notable that most people put Episode V as their top pick of Star Wars films and it has no super weapon. However, I think Episode IV is perfect for illustrating the archetypal heroes journey and the super weapon is the centre piece. I really hope the reboot learns that fighting over shipyards can be just as compelling as fighting superweapons. but it ultimately did feel like a side story This is not a negative in my mind. I think some of the best stories in the EU were when they parked the Skywalkers/ put them as background characters and developed a new cast (X-wing series.) I think in many ways Episode VII is grander, more heroic in an archetypal sense. Perhaps the individual set pieces are better, I just have to ignore a little that it's another Death Star and Rebel group that is moving us from one scene to the next. I still really like the story of Rey and Fin. Rogue One is less grand, but annoys me less. It's a piece of Star Wars history that I've always wanted to see, and while it's not exactly how I would have done it (Jan Dodonna for the win), it really hit the spot for me. edit. Qualified yes to the Hand of Duology. It was a solid effort by Zahn to create a threat. But my feeling is he didn't have much material to work with. The Empire was having to be at their absolute cleverest to form a significant threat, whereas the New Republic could simply outmuscle whatever could be sent their way- brute force macro as it were. Zahn's good so it worked, but it really felt like the dying gasps of the Empire. | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
Meaning no PT, and almost no other books written nor a lot of background that came after. As far as he knew it, there was basically only 3 films to bounce upon, which did not give a lot of background. Still, I agree with you | ||
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KOFgokuon
United States14899 Posts
This also kinda explains why the had no capital ships when they defended Yavin beacuse they all got destroyed in this battle by Vader's star destroyer | ||
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bentnormal
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MaestroSC
United States2073 Posts
On December 28 2016 06:04 BurningSera wrote: watched it on the 2nd day it came out but I keep getting distracted to make a post lol Long story short, an overall very much enjoyable movie, more so than SW7. However, that is not because it is 'actually' better than SW7 (I think both are more or less on the same level, some goods and some bads in them sort of balanced out), i said it is 'more enjoyable' than SW7 because Rogue One annoys me less lol. The spoonfeeding and fan service in both are just so annoying (and definitely id say it is exhausting in SW7). Now if I just focus on Rogue One, the spoonfeeding is so annoying while fan service was at an acceptable level. (Overly) Repeatably use of 'force' and many of the fanservice-ty key words, they tried to spoon-feed people even when the bloody things are so obvious. So far both Disney era's products literally treat the audience as dumb people, this is not a coincidence. SW123 you don't see George Lucas did that to the audience. + Show Spoiler + like, bloody hell, we don't even have a Jedi in the movie at all, how many times you heard the word 'Force' mentioned, even in the first scene when Jyn's mum handed over the necklace ffs. Just stop that, force sounds like a joke at this stage. Everyone is force sensitive, huh uh huh. And I'm so disappointed where Donnie not turned to be a Jedi -_- The space fighting scenes however, were so awesome, x wings look fatter in these new SW for some reason? the hammer head ship banging scene was retarded but is still acceptable. Vader last scene didn't make sense too but who cares it was so cool! And sadly that was the most brutal scene from him we would see? Some editing issues as well, like they jumped the scenes over 4 planets in the first 5mins, who thought that would be the good idea? I also think that Jyn gave such a mediocre performance, her blank facial expressions when she was looking at some CG green screens lol. But overall the casts did their jobs,+ Show Spoiler + I have no idea of all the crew was going to die All in all, slightly above average popcorn movie, if I must rate it among all SW movies, behind 456, maybe on par with the best in 123. Pretty much exactly how i felt. I thought Epi 7 was... so incredibly safe. Like you could NOT have played it more safe, which is just boring imo. We literally just got episode 4, remade with a backstory that people love, there was nothing risky or new or genuine about it, except for the affirmative action casting to make sure everyone feels included. I mean I enjoyed Episode 7, but i just find it incredibly safe and therefor boring. Am glad Rogue one had the balls to + Show Spoiler + kill everyone. But they HAD to, i mean it wouldnt make sense if Rogue one wasnt constantly being talked about/going on missions during 4-6, and they DEFINITELY would have been involved in 5/6 and rebel operations on key targets/key missions, and it makes the 'a lot of soldiers died bringing us this information'" more weighty. I thought Forest Whitaker's character was way too far out there though, needed to be reigned in IMO. It wasnt as ridiculous as Leto's Joker... but people need to chill the fuck out with the over-acting, sometimes less is more guys. That being said, I thoroughly enjoyed it, if nothing else it adds a LOT of weight to Episodes 4-6, which is fine. Like it makes episode 4 especially seem more weighed down in reality imo. Ya it had a lot of fanservice, with a lot of easter eggs and such, but I feel like most people will appreciate those. Wasnt nearly as pandering as Epi. 7 was. A lot of people wont like the corniness of Donnie Yens character, but i dug the shit out of him. IMO it was cool to see what would happen to people who would have been Jedi's..but there were no Jedi's around to train them/help them become full-fledged Jedi. Also K2 was the most likable character, but when being voiced by Alan Tudyk, what you expect? Also it finally gave the world a reason as to why the Deathstar had such a glaring weakness. Literally for decades some nerds have been complaining about such a major flaw being such a major oversight. But it was designed as a flaw intentionally, so it felt gratifying that someone finally wrote the "fuck you haters" movie when it comes to teh design of the death star and how a lot of people felt it was a dumb flaw. | ||
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Sbrubbles
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
On December 30 2016 04:01 bentnormal wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJgfxlgUIZY Eh. I'm going to push back on Plinkett a bit. I guess your mileage may vary on whether you cared about the characters- I did enough. Sure Rey was more compelling, but I was sufficiently invested in these characters. The issue of banter during battles I wonder is more a difference in genre rather than lack of character. Episode IV is very clearly in the swashbuckling/ adventure vein (the hero even swings on a rope with the princess.) Whereas, Rogue One takes it lead from war films. But more importantly, I didn't see the lack of explanation of the Force an issue. The only thing is it confirmed for me that the correct Entry Point (for further elaboration on the concept) into the Star Wars universe is still Episode IV. The real heavy lifting in world building the Force is done there. Every other film can either rely upon that explanation or expand upon it. There's no need to be redundant unless you believe your viewers are dumb and are in need of a reminder. Episode V is the sort of film to expand upon our knowledge of the Force because the story revolves around finding a more powerful master. Rogue One is completely the wrong film to more indepth explanations of the Force because the Jedi's 'fire has gone out of the universe'. But we do get a broadening of our understanding of the Force outside of the Jedi, which is fine. In essence, what Red Letter Media takes as a negative "requiring context", I do not. As much as it is a stand-alone story, it is also within an established universe, and I don't think such a film needs to retread that much unless they are intending to create a new Entry or Starting Point. I'm fine with them building upon the already built foundation rather than rebuilding the foundation again and again (which is what all these super hero reboots insist on doing.) | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
Or, you know, he's just a religious person and the Force in itself is a religious type thing in that universe.. | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
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arb
Noobville17921 Posts
On December 30 2016 13:42 Gahlo wrote: He could also have been somebody that failed at becoming a jedi. Or, you know, he's just a religious person and the Force in itself is a religious type thing in that universe.. It could be a religion actually, you never hear mention of one in Star Wars at all do you now that i think about it? | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 30 2016 13:50 arb wrote: It could be a religion actually, you never hear mention of one in Star Wars at all do you now that i think about it? Han even literally calls the Force a "hokey religion" in A New Hope. Reason I think they never really get deep into religion in SW is because of the clusterfuck it would be to organize it. Think about how much goes on with the religions just on our own planet. Now multiply that by the thousands. There's just way too much to sift through there to the point where you get what will look like procedurally generated religions. Instead we're just given the Force, which has a lot of elements of the Abrahamic religions and... I think it was Bhuddism? Chirrut is literally a Force monk. | ||
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Mutaller
United States1051 Posts
As reader of canon novels and watcher of the animated series I appreciated the easter eggs. Even the ugly dude that gets his arm chopped off by Obi Wan in A New Hope is a nice touch. I really liked the little things they sprinkle in for us above average nerds. Somethings in the movie were a little odd though. Such as the flash back scene. The entire scene was to show that Jyn was nick named stardust by her father Galen Erso. Even though he calls her stardust in the hologram message and right when he is dying. Also, the realign the satellite thing then it is blown up and all is well. What was the purpose of the satellite in the first place if it can work without it. Then there is another tentacle monster... Like did you not hear the fans when we said we did not like them in episode 7. Reading minds and shit come on look at the hologram before you torture someone with "mogali". Bohdi with the master switch thing was hard to follow, but that lead to Chirrut doing his awesome I am one with the force, and the force is with me chant while constantly being missed. | ||
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dravernor
Netherlands6188 Posts
On December 30 2016 16:00 Gahlo wrote: Han even literally calls the Force a "hokey religion" in A New Hope. Reason I think they never really get deep into religion in SW is because of the clusterfuck it would be to organize it. Think about how much goes on with the religions just on our own planet. Now multiply that by the thousands. There's just way too much to sift through there to the point where you get what will look like procedurally generated religions. Instead we're just given the Force, which has a lot of elements of the Abrahamic religions and... I think it was Bhuddism? Chirrut is literally a Force monk. I agree with this - additionally the fact that the force is so closely linked to light sabres, which are made of Kyber crystals. + Show Spoiler + And Chirrut is a guardian of the Kyber, so makes sense. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 30 2016 13:50 arb wrote: It could be a religion actually, you never hear mention of one in Star Wars at all do you now that i think about it? It is referred to in IV repeatedly as a religion... Tarkin calls it that when he says Vader is the last one to follow it. Han calls it a "hokey religion." It's like how in Buddhism some people are monks and the rest of us can support Buddhism is less direct ways. Jedi are the monks, and there are also lay followers of the Jedi religion. Rogue One makes Takin's point more pointed by having his meaning not just be "Order 66" but rather "We literally just blew up the last city that followed the Jedi religion." | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 30 2016 16:50 Yoav wrote: It is referred to in IV repeatedly as a religion... Tarkin calls it that when he says Vader is the last one to follow it. Han calls it a "hokey religion." Here are the quotes from ANH: Motti to Vader: "Don't try to frighten us with your sorcerer's ways, Lord Vader. Your sad devotion to that ancient religion has not helped you conjure up the stolen data tapes, or given you clairvoyance enough to find the Rebel's hidden fort...[chokes]" Han Solo to Luke and Obi-Wan: "Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side, kid." Tarkin to Vader: "The Jedi are extinct. Their fire has gone out of the universe. You, my friend, are all that's left of their religion." I think those are the three times it's referred to as a religion in the OT. | ||
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
Fat lot of good it does them personally. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
So no, bloody it is either the writer actually treats 'force'/Jedi as one religion, which is just some bad stuff right there; or they decided to cringe the shit out of some viewers like me. | ||
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Hier
2391 Posts
On December 31 2016 08:21 TheTenthDoc wrote: Hearing the Force presented as religion does make me realize why the people mentioning it in Rogue One bothered me-it made the Rebellion seem a lot more cultish than anything. Jyn and the others are pretty much born-again Force worshippers. + Show Spoiler + Fat lot of good it does them personally. Hardly different from having "In God We Trust" on US money, or saying "God be with you" when saying goodbye to someone, or thanking God during a speech after winning an award, or praying for victims of a tragedy... whatever all that means. Besides, nobody said characters in a movie set in a fictional universe have to have beliefs and values identical to YOURS. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 31 2016 09:35 BurningSera wrote: well ye Jedi/sith are based on monks/evil monks basically, but then 'may the force be with you' is entirely different from the 'live well and prosper' because in startrek it is basically equal to goodbye, but in SW it is more about 'good luck', we heard it more commonly when someone said to the force user (ie Jedi). actually, I remember some sith (iirc some EU material..does Kotor counts as EU lol) used that line too, so I guess 'force' really can be related to both 'religions'. So no, bloody it is either the writer actually treats 'force'/Jedi as one religion, which is just some bad stuff right there; or they decided to cringe the shit out of some viewers like me. I'd equivalent the Force to being the base religion, with the Jedi and Sith being ideologies that spring from it. I'd make a metaphor, but I don't want to open a can of worms about a religion I'm not familiar with. | ||
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Hyperbola
United States2542 Posts
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TheTenthDoc
United States9561 Posts
On December 31 2016 09:39 Hier wrote: Hardly different from having "In God We Trust" on US money, or saying "God be with you" when saying goodbye to someone, or thanking God during a speech after winning an award, or praying for victims of a tragedy... whatever all that means. Besides, nobody said characters in a movie set in a fictional universe have to have beliefs and values identical to YOURS. I don't object to their worshiping an anthropomorphic version of the energy that they've seen people manipulate to have superhuman abilities-it's more reasonable than many dogmas. It's just interesting how quickly they do a 180 on it (blind dude represents some compelling evidence though) and how it wasn't really mentioned much in the Rebellion before the main characters brought it up and then everyone was tossing out "May the Force be with you" like candy (they didn't wish Jyn that on the mission to Saw if I remember right). I'd blame the reshoots for that, personally. But we'll never know. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On December 31 2016 10:41 TheTenthDoc wrote: I don't object to their worshiping an anthropomorphic version of the energy that they've seen people manipulate to have superhuman abilities-it's more reasonable than many dogmas. It's just interesting how quickly they do a 180 on it (blind dude represents some compelling evidence though) and how it wasn't really mentioned much in the Rebellion before the main characters brought it up and then everyone was tossing out "May the Force be with you" like candy (they didn't wish Jyn that on the mission to Saw if I remember right). I'd blame the reshoots for that, personally. But we'll never know. Given how Jyn's mom gave her a Kaibur necklace and mentioned the Force, it seems like they were believers in it in the first place. While I agree it does seem out of place to have non-Force users talk about it, I think that just comes down to how narrow the scope of characters the movies have given us. In all of them there is at least 1 jedi in the main group - if not the main character, sans 7(depending on how T3 turns out.) It made sense to have those characters and the people around them talking about the Force. We got slight hints of it in 7 with Maaz, who is an adept so her inclusion on this is dubious, and the guy Poe went to visit in the beginning to get the rest of the star map, but it's never been anything more than a passing reference. We've never has a large character in any of the movies that is primarily defined as a non-adept Force believer like we get with Chirrut. Given the time of when the Rebellion seems to adopt the belief, they just found out their enemy has a space station that can, at the very least, completely destroy cities from orbit. If that isn't a "come to Jesus" moment, I don't know what is. | ||
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-NegativeZero-
United States2142 Posts
On December 31 2016 10:28 Gahlo wrote: I'd equivalent the Force to being the base religion, with the Jedi and Sith being ideologies that spring from it. I'd make a metaphor, but I don't want to open a can of worms about a religion I'm not familiar with. even more generally, i'd say the idea of the force is more equivalent to the concept of gods or supernatural entities in general, with the addition of some physical evidence to support it. the average force-believer has got no clue what it's actually like to use the force, and even if they do, they probably have no idea what it actually is. is it a sentient entity? is it shared among everyone, or is it just a self discipline thing? so in theory they could have wildly different philosophies and religions springing from it, maybe some worship the force as a god, maybe some worship multiple force-gods, maybe some treat it like an inner conscience, maybe some do a bunch of drugs to try to expand your mind to access the force, idk. and then of course you've got your buddhist warrior-monk style jedi philosophy too. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
The script was appalling, the only character I gave a shit about was the robot. When you kill off an entire cast including the protagonist, it should be tragic, but it seemed to have virtually no emotional impact. There were no real relationships built, and way too much time spent on shallow conversation and pointless scenes (octopus torture comes to mind). I'm not sure if it was her acting, or the lines, or both, but Jin was awful. Her two speeches (council and pre-battle) sounded like they shared a writer with Independence Day II. Constant battle scenes and fancy cgi does not build character or emotional investment. Look at what Guardians of the Galaxy got done, and compare it to this soulless nostalgic jizzfest. I'm done paying to see this shit. | ||
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darthfoley
United States8004 Posts
On December 31 2016 23:39 Scarecrow wrote: Visually it was cool but basically confirms that Disney doesn't believe in hiring decent writers for this franchise. They seem to have forgotten that the original Star Wars' greatness was built on the conversations between Luke, Leia, Vader and Solo not the laser show. The script was appalling, the only character I gave a shit about was the robot. When you kill off an entire cast including the protagonist, it should be tragic, but it seemed to have virtually no emotional impact. There were no real relationships built, and way too much time spent on shallow conversation and pointless scenes (octopus torture comes to mind). I'm not sure if it was her acting, or the lines, or both, but Jin was awful. Her two speeches (council and pre-battle) sounded like they shared a writer with Independence Day II. Constant battle scenes and fancy cgi does not build character or emotional investment. Look at what Guardians of the Galaxy got done, and compare it to this soulless nostalgic jizzfest. I'm done paying to see this shit. The Octopus torture thing was like 45 seconds dude. Was the script really that much better in the old movies? I confess I haven't seen them in a while, but I felt as though they had some cheesy acting as well. Except Harrison Ford. Dude is awesome. This is off topic so i'll spoiler it, but if you're in need of a good laugh + Show Spoiler + | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Episode 7 was easily the better movie overall. I feel that I came to terms quite well with its fuzzy plot elements, so they bother me not nearly as much as they did on first viewing. The characters are far more compelling in E7 - I liked most everyone in the main cast in Ep 7 (Rey, Finn, Kylo Ren, Hux, Poe, BB-8, Maz, the returners of course, and even Snoke starts to be alright after multiple viewings). There was one character in Rogue One who I thought was really well done (Krennic), a few which were moderately good (Jyn, the not-Jedi and the pal with the automatic blaster, and the droid), with everyone else being so-so. Frankly the cast was a suicide squad that all died, so they all turn out to be quite expendable as characters. Visually, I saw charm in both of them. Ep 7, the Nazi rally of Hux was one of my favorite scenes in terms of visuals, while Rogue One did quite good in general in providing visual descriptions of ground-based warfare. Krennic's death squad was pretty cool. In general Rogue One did warfare scenes quite well, but Ep 7 had more grandiose flair to it. Plot-wise, they both had moderate cheesy and/or somewhat unfeasible elements to them. It doesn't bother me because this is Star Wars and I expect that. I could criticize 4-6 for the same things, easily. I just don't care because the movie works. If Ep 7 was inspired by and/or derivative of Ep 4, then I could say that Rogue One is somewhat derivative of the Expanded Universe material. Here and there, I see a lot of things that remind me of SW books I read, games I played, and so on. Neither bothers me because the surface-level similarities are used to tell different stories. As a standalone, R1 did a good job, far better than I expected. I thought Ep 7 was easily the better movie though, because of its advantage in developing better characters. On most other fronts I see good in both of them but the Ep 7 characters are better, easily. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 31 2016 17:43 -NegativeZero- wrote: some people have at least got video evidence somewhere that there are people out there with supernatural powers, who claim to do it by tapping into this mystical "force". if they have no scientific basis for these occurrences, this seems like a pretty good basis for founding and believing in religions to try to explain them, even if not everyone has seen them first-hand. after all, to this day there are multiple popular religions based on supernatural events which supposedly occurred thousands of years ago, with no evidence except the ancient folklore texts... It's a historical error to say this... the texts in almost every religion postdate the religion's founding... people believed for decades or (in some cases) centuries without the aid of texts. Whatever is was that Jesus did, there were a ton of eyewitnesses willing to literally die in service of what they believed he was, on their own authority and on the basis of no text. Generally to the point, yeah, Star Wars is, and always has been, a pro-religion allegory with Buddhist influences but from a Christian point of view. I'm a mainline Christian so I'm pretty down with that, but I understand that some people want really badly to ignore the religious content of the OT movies. I'm really happy that 7 and 3.5 are bringing this back in after a relative lack of such content in the prequels (perhaps because the issue of faith is less pressing in a galaxy where Jedi are dime-a-dozen as in the PT). For those not paying attention: 4: Luke discovers his father's religion, joins a militant group promoting it, starts blowing up government installations and breaking insurgents out of prison. Han is super skeptical about this religion but gradually grows to respect it, or at least Luke's belief in it. The Rebellion is explicitly pro-Force, while the Empire is soulless and bureaucratic. Their dedication to wiping out this religion is apparent, even thought they someone they believe to be its last living member among them. (Not the slightest hint in this movie that the Emperor is a Jedi/Sith) 5: Whole sequence of Yoda teaching Luke that we are "luminous beings" not "crude matter." In the end, Luke has to make a choice between his more Christian approach to the Force and Yoda/ObiWan's Buddhist version. They want him to be patient, and careful with his feelings. He wants to go out and protect his friends. He's ultimately right: he saves his friends (in a roundabout way) and instead of turning to the dark side, he brings Vader a step closer to the light. 6: Luke again disagrees with the Old Jedi. He wants to save Vader, they think this is reckless. Again, they are counseling him to surpress emotions, where he chooses to rely on positive emotion. He is again ultimately right. The whole final sequence is all about the religious conflict between father and son. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On January 06 2017 04:20 palexhur wrote: I just watched the movie, first time that I wasnt hyped for a SW movie because the horrible that EP7 was for me, all in all it was an entertaining movie, not so good, not so bad. Very good CGI,it is the most relevant in the movie, the best character was the robot, very bland acting by all the actors, nobody makes something impressive, the main actress was awful, you cant connect with her, she acted really bad. The story just follows the logic, we all know that at the end the rebels got the plans of the Death Star. the first scene of Vader was really good, the second one was meaningless. I wasnt expecting something really good, so I am not dissapointed, the two most annoying things were: the constant reference to the force (zzzz), and the forced death of some main characters. Are you, by chance, religious? | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
My family and I are catholics, and we are not everytime at the day saying: Go with God, blessing everyone, and all those things, maybe if you talk with the priest, but not when talking to a regular person. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On January 06 2017 08:09 palexhur wrote: My family and I are catholics, and we are not everytime at the day saying: Go with God, blessing everyone, and all those things, maybe if you talk with the priest, but not when talking to a regular person. I hate to break it to you, but that's how it gets at times, and that's when people aren't in the middle of a war to save the galaxy. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 06 2017 08:48 Gahlo wrote: I hate to break it to you, but that's how it gets at times, and that's when people aren't in the middle of a war to save the galaxy. I am out of this argument, I didnt like it that aspect of the movie, and that is my opinion. You can have yours, bye. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 22 2016 15:10 Yoav wrote: Blue swirly background. I mean, maybe I am misremembering, but I'm pretty sure they are because I remember thinking it was odd in the theatre. The course correction doesn't necessarily happen in that scene though... it's possible they reached their original jump destination then plotted the new course. Communication I guess could also be like listening to a voice mail? Can't remember if he responded at all. I just watched it again, and you were right -- they do receive a transmission while in hyperspace. Andor then tells K-2SO to calculate a course to Eadu. We can't tell if they actually changed course while in hyperspace or not, though, since it's possible they came out of hyperspace after that scene and then made a second jump to Eadu. Overall, I stand by my initial review. Despite its flaws and the fact that it is definitely not on the level of the classics, it's very enjoyable and superior to TFA (and the space battles are definitely out of this world). I was also less bothered by the characters this time around, mostly because I knew what to expect. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
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Gahlo
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On January 07 2017 10:16 Yoav wrote: Yeah I've seen it a few more times and liked it more with each viewing. Better than TFA, miles better than the prequels. Or, to put it more generously, best Star Wars movie in my lifetime. It's strange how split people are on this. For me it's the worst SW movie, and it's not really close. You can have all the nostalgia-infused cgi you want but in the end I can't enjoy something with such poor character development and a narrative patched together, after re-shoots, in post-production. Jyn's story should've been utterly tragic (mother, father, adopted father/mentor, friends, future boyfriend and herself all died) but it felt like nothing to me (Qui-gon's death had much more impact, in the worst of the prequels). She also lectured a room full of experienced rebels on something she didnt care about a few days ago, in one of the worst written/delivered speeches in recent film history (then she did another on the shuttle). They even did Vader's character poorly, making a stupid choke pun and whilst his hallway fight was cool, it was completely at odds with how he entered the craft in A New Hope 10 minutes later. He basically just did it cause the filmmakers thought it would look cool, same with the pathetic ATAT walkers. Jyn's disguise outfit and weapons were just there for movie posters too. The opening shot of the movie with that shuttle coming in over the beach looked amazing. Then the mum comes out from hiding and dies like a retard, forgetting she has a daughter and ruining the great cinematography leading up to it. This continued throughout the movie where I felt the trailer-bait visuals were constantly undermined by awful writing that plodded mechanically from plot point to plot point to get the thing to blow up the thing. It also didn't matter how many times the dad used 'Stardust', it had 0 emotional weight behind it cause they didnt bother to have even ONE father-daughter scene to develop any sort of relationship beyond the paper thin one that every other character had in common. The strongest relationship of the whole mess might actually have been K2SO and Jyn because it actually grew and developed into something when she gave him the blaster, so I actually felt something when the droid died, unlike for everyone else in the cast. Krennic was also an incredibly lame antagonist who was basically just an ambitious middle class bureaucrat who was not particularly interesting, smart, threatening or evil. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
It did do a good job of showcasing Star Wars military equipment and Star Wars warfare, for which it does earn points. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
The characters were generally intriguing and likable. I particularly liked the fact they didn't feel the need to spell out Cassian's backstory. We get it, he lost everything. No need to go Manchester on the Sea on us. | ||
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
Saying it's a war movie does not exempt them from developing interesting, believable characters to follow through it. 'War is hell' is a really hard message to sell if there's noone 'real' to care about. You talk like they shouldn't hammer us over the head with stuff, and show don't tell is great, but Cassian's humanity/depth just wasn't shown to me either through his performance or his lines. I'm also baffled that you'd consider Jyn intriguing or likeable, her hollow semblance of a personality created an emotional vacuum at the heart of this film. Cassian's loyalty to her was baffling, and their relationship seemed to happen largely off camera, as did most of the human moments that would've got in the road of more fan-service and pew-pew. Kassian went from a guy with dubious morals to a guy willing to die for the cause, but it was handled poorly, as was Jyn's arc which had all the emotional trajectory of ant ejaculate. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On January 07 2017 18:42 Yoav wrote: Eh, it's a war movie. I've seen plenty of war movies and they generally aren't all about the backstory. It's a different genre... you don't need to have the tragedy hammered over your head because of course it's tragic; it's a war. See the Longest Day, Bridge over the River Kwai, Guns of Navarrone, etc. To an extent, LOTR was in the same bucket: you never got a real reason to care about Legolas, Gimli, or even Aragorn. But you realize the stakes of the war and so these are just the people you're following through it. The characters were generally intriguing and likable. I particularly liked the fact they didn't feel the need to spell out Cassian's backstory. We get it, he lost everything. No need to go Manchester on the Sea on us. But war movies do focus on character development. Because their principal aim is almost always to highlight the cruelties of war, you have to sympathize with the characters who die futilely/sacrifice themselves for the cause/get rescued. Hell, even inglorious basterds had fuller feeling characters than this. In fact, compare Shosanna's story with Jyn's. It's basically the same, but the former actually feels like a person in the movie, rather than a plot device. And of course Bridge over the River Kwai has Alec Guinness, who is easy to understand and empathize with. R1 does not develop any character to that degree. Or maybe the actors just can't carry their characters to greater heights. But between the two, no character really elicits emotion with their noble sacrifice, except perhaps K2. | ||
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Fliparoni
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mierin
United States4943 Posts
On January 09 2017 08:33 Fliparoni wrote: Saw it again for the fiftth and last time in the theaters till it comes out on Blu Ray. Easily my favorite Star Wars movie since ESB. It just gets better each time. Cant wait for April when it comes out on Blu Ray Preach. What I loved most about it is it depicted the rebellion, not as this holier than thou angelic organization, but as the down and dirty "do whatever it takes" kind of thing. I really loved that. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9712 Posts
It wasn't even technically that good but somehow in my mind it came together perfectly. I've never had feels in a cinema like that final scene. I know loads of people will dislike it and I can't justify why i love it so much (not in technical movie terms anyway) but its just a big fat yes from me. | ||
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
4,5, & 6 with the special editions with CGI added makes the old movies tie in visually much better than originally. Rouge One is a tangent from the epic story. I liked that it showed the Rebels do-anything-it-takes style. And because it's not part of the epic and it doesn't have the main title scene or any of the main characters is totally fine. I liked the main girl. She doesn't give a shit & is looking out for herself. Much like Han Solo does, which was nice. The droid being a strategic analysis droid was cool. The movie made the transition from episode 3 to 4 so fluid it was very nice. Hearing the stormtroopers talk about the T-15s to the T-17s technology progress was fun through the films too haha. Favorite quote: "Rouge One?! Thrre is no Rogue One!" Then in Episode 5 the ship is called Rouge 2 lol Really great movie for star wars fans. If you stay for the entire credits you get some old school John Williams star wars music that wasn't in the film | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On January 15 2017 11:28 ragnasaur wrote: Watched all 8 star wars movies. 4,5, & 6 with the special editions with CGI added makes the old movies tie in visually much better than originally. NOOOOOOOO | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
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Fliparoni
205 Posts
My personal rankings from best to worst: Ep 5 Ep 4/Rogue one Ep 6 Ep 3 Ep 7 Ep 2 Ep 1 | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
1<2<3<R1<4=7<5<6 Episode 7 not being the best to date ruins it. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I think it would be similar to the way I thought of the first season of Avatar. A lot of the characters (especially Zuko and Iroh) were better in hindsight than they were at the moment. If the directors of the next two movies do a good job it can be the same here. | ||
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Gahlo
United States35160 Posts
On January 16 2017 07:15 LegalLord wrote: It was a good movie. That it had elements that some might find problematic doesn't change that. I enjoyed it all the way through, especially the second viewing onwards. I think it would be similar to the way I thought of the first season of Avatar. A lot of the characters (especially Zuko and Iroh) were better in hindsight than they were at the moment. If the directors of the next two movies do a good job it can be the same here. If you've never seen anything from 8's director, watch Brick. It's awesome. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
For what it's worth, I absolutely saw a very strong divergence in creative style in 7 from the previous movies. Yes, each of the OT movies had a new director, but they felt like they still had the creative style of George Lucas. Neither 7 nor R1 looked that way. Which is fine - there are plenty of others who make good Star Wars - but it does make me wonder if we will see yet more stylistic divergence in the future. | ||
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Kipsate
Netherlands45349 Posts
I enjoyed it nonetheless though, the world of Star Wars remains a thing of beauty. | ||
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No Swear
51 Posts
fucking shit | ||
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No Swear
51 Posts
On January 15 2017 11:28 ragnasaur wrote: Rouge One is a tangent from the epic story. Excuse me ? It's the fucking reason the empire didn't destroy the rebel stronghold in Hope ? Tangent from the epic story ? fucking please "Uh well, uh....diplomatic mission mister vader, totaly not rebels yo, what plans ? uh..." 'member fucking A new hope ? jesus fucking christ, sorry im kinda seething over here lmfao | ||
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
Leia was in a tight spot there and tried to lie her way out of it. "Uh, no officer thats not mine. Is that what marijuana is?" | ||
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No Swear
51 Posts
On January 16 2017 12:26 ragnasaur wrote: Yeah i suppose 'tangent' was the wrong word. Sorry grammar nazi. It's more of a divergence from the epic story. Leia was in a tight spot there and tried to lie her way out of it. "Uh, no officer thats not mine. Is that what marijuana is?" How is it a divergence ? it's pretty much a DIRECT FUCKING PREQUEL to Hope, please explain to me how it's a divergence ? Leia was in a tight spot ? THEY SAW THE SHIP FUCKING ESCAPE THE BATTLEFIELD. Leia or not doesn't even matter, wtf was she doing there in the first place ? Not that it really matters though, because this piece of fuck goes straight into the fan-fiction bin as far as I'm concerned. Stupid fucking piece of shit. User was warned for this post | ||
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On January 17 2017 04:53 ragnasaur wrote: The director said "The idea is this film is supposed to be different than the saga films" I took that by how they showed a rebels story vs a force-wielding story Well for a rebel story is very bland, but as I said before it is not good not bad, and is entertained. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9712 Posts
On January 16 2017 05:16 Fliparoni wrote: I personally rank it tied with ANH in second place with ESB in first place. My personal rankings from best to worst: Ep 5 Ep 4/Rogue one Ep 6 Ep 3 Ep 7 Ep 2 Ep 1 Pretty much the same here. I would add, though, that 7 is part of its own trilogy so its ranking could change depending onthe next one or two films. I'm excited to watch R1 through to ep 7 on DVD. | ||
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Zaros
United Kingdom3692 Posts
On January 17 2017 06:03 Jockmcplop wrote: Pretty much the same here. I would add, though, that 7 is part of its own trilogy so its ranking could change depending onthe next one or two films. I'm excited to watch R1 through to ep 7 on DVD. Mine would be something like: 5 6 4 Rogue 3 2 1 7 | ||
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SkrollK
France580 Posts
Switch Rogue and ep3 and we got a deal ^^ Also, as said above, looking at each episode through the prism of the trilogy definitely alter the perception of the episodes. So i'm not set with the place of the 7th yet. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
6 4 7 3=Rogue 2 1 | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
V VI IV KOTOR movie (Watch it if you like the game) => + Show Spoiler + Rogue VII III The other 2 doesn't exist. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Acrofales
Spain18097 Posts
On January 18 2017 07:51 LegalLord wrote: I think people don't give 6 enough credit in general. The little bear dudes were kind of annoying but the movie as a whole was very good - and the little bear dudes do contribute to that in a sort of "native uprising against a superpower" sort of way. It had what is still mostly acknowledged as the best movie space fight, for one. What do you mean 6 isn't given enough credit? Pretty much everybody has it either best or second best. And 5 was an absolutely amazing movie. Everything about Bespin is awesome. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
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Korakys
New Zealand272 Posts
Best: Empire Strikes Back New Hope Rogue One Return of the Jedi Phantom Menace Revenge of the Sith Attack of the Clones Worst: Force Awakens | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
4, 5, 6, R1, (7) Parentheses mean it only sorta counts as a Star Wars movie, which means there are now 4.5 made thus far. | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
4 6 3 R1 2 1 7 | ||
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nath
United States1788 Posts
that being said, it was 'only' an OK movie, not great, not bad. 5,6,4,R1=3=7,2,1 | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6719 Posts
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ragnasaur
United States804 Posts
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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ProMeTheus112
France2027 Posts
5 : really good 6 : good 4 1 didn't see rogue one the others not great for me even 2 not a big fan i think same for 3 7 wasn't terrible but not that good either for me didn't want to go see next ones (8 9) | ||
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Falling
Canada11367 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25930 Posts
On October 17 2020 07:40 Falling wrote: I think similar to the Matrix, it's best to go 'What sequels?" There are Matrix sequels? :O | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
There's literally nothing I can possibly say that's positive about the Star Wars sequels. Episode 7 is easily the best of the three and it's a blatant fucking copy of A New Hope's plot. The entire trilogy follows the story beats of the OT almost identically, while also at the same time destroying the lore of the previous 6 movies. It's honestly impressive how awful they are. The Matrix sequels aren't great, but they're nowhere near as bad as the Disney Star Wars sequels. Not even close. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25930 Posts
On October 19 2020 08:51 Vindicare605 wrote: That's not fair. The Matrix sequels are in a completely different league than the Star Wars sequels. Are they anywhere near as good as the original movie? No. But they at least expanded on the universe and told a new story that had really cool moments. Like are you really going to tell me that Neo vs the hundreds of Agent Smiths from Matrix Reloaded, or the Battle of the Docks from Matrix Revolutions weren't awesome scenes? Or how about the entire freeway segment from Reloaded? There's literally nothing I can possibly say that's positive about the Star Wars sequels. Episode 7 is easily the best of the three and it's a blatant fucking copy of A New Hope's plot. The entire trilogy follows the story beats of the OT almost identically, while also at the same time destroying the lore of the previous 6 movies. It's honestly impressive how awful they are. The Matrix sequels aren't great, but they're nowhere near as bad as the Disney Star Wars sequels. Not even close. The freeway scene is sick. Neo vs a milllion Smiths hasn’t aged all too well but was cool when I first saw it. If you’d said to young me that there’d be another 6 Star Wars film my head would have nearly exploded. If you’d then said hold off from that, all 6 will be either bad to passable I wouldn’t have believed you, but so it happened. A bit sad as I have a 7 year old kiddo and he liked the latest ones but they haven’t stuck around or lodged in his imagination whatsoever. He likes BB8 but outside of that it’s all OG characters like Darth Vader he enjoys. Whereas me I was only slightly older and playing Tie Fighter and lapping up the universe, freaking out with the pressure of finding out Darth himself was my wingman on a mission. | ||
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Vindicare605
United States16093 Posts
The fact that it exists as well as the Mandalorian and even Star Wars Rebels gives me hope that Disney actually is capable of putting out good Star Wars content provided they put the right people in charge. The one thing that the shitty sequels taught us is that JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson are definitely NOT the right people to be in charge. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25930 Posts
On October 19 2020 09:07 Vindicare605 wrote: I'm a huge fan of Rogue One though. It's not "passable" to me, it's a genuinely good Star Wars movie, and the Battle of Scarrif is just behind the Battle of Hoth as my favorite Star Wars battle that's ever been on film. The fact that it exists as well as the Mandalorian and even Star Wars Rebels gives me hope that Disney actually is capable of putting out good Star Wars content provided they put the right people in charge. The one thing that the shitty sequels taught us is that JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson are definitely NOT the right people to be in charge. I like Rogue One quite a bit. Vader scene is fan service done really well IMO. It’s a good scene and it gives us a glimpse as to why he’s so feared. I think thematically it works pretty well too in expanding the universe. A bunch of characters we don’t hugely care about, who all die, kind of fits in showing us the Rebellion outside of those with plot armour and how it would sort of fit into the universe. Love the robot too, whose name is escaping me although I remember it’s Alan Tudyk voicing it. I think it’s main flaw is why it’s good to me, namely we’re getting a glimpse of these previously unknown heroes who we only are exploring due to a bigger mission to destroy the Death Star, I think it kind of fits that they’re a little faceless and not fleshed out. I’m not sure it’s necessarily the intent, but thematically as a nod to there’s probably a ton of faceless folk who’ve died in the greater conflict I think it enhances it. Other opinions may disagree with that assessment! Mandalorian is just great, really like it. Not just because it’s Star Wars but of recent shows I’ve watched it feels the only one that is actually well-paced in its plot and character development. Perhaps my definition of well-paced is inextricable from slow-paced but everything gets space to breathe. By the pacing of other shows we’d have found out about the Mandalorian’s secret family and he’d have blown up a Death Star already, with season 2’s hook not being a new, better Death Star, but that there’s just two of them. | ||
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puppykiller
United States3137 Posts
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AlgeriaT
Sweden2197 Posts
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16878 Posts
On October 19 2020 09:23 WombaT wrote: Mandalorian is just great, really like it. Not just because it’s Star Wars but of recent shows I’ve watched it feels the only one that is actually well-paced in its plot and character development. Perhaps my definition of well-paced is inextricable from slow-paced but everything gets space to breathe. By the pacing of other shows we’d have found out about the Mandalorian’s secret family and he’d have blown up a Death Star already, with season 2’s hook not being a new, better Death Star, but that there’s just two of them. my gf is forcing me to watch the Mandalorian with her. | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland25930 Posts
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