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Acrofales
Spain18098 Posts
Also, is this review a troll review? I thought the New Yorker was a pretty serious magazine: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/rogue-one-reviewed-is-it-time-to-abandon-the-star-wars-franchise But it says that "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" were the best of Lucas' Star Wars films, so I just cannot take it seriously. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
For Acrofales, about the amount of space battles: + Show Spoiler + There is quite a bit of space fighting at the end, but my 2D experience was thoroughly enjoyable | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6720 Posts
On December 14 2016 20:40 kwizach wrote: I've just seen it (in 2D). I'll write a longer review later today, but I liked it better than episode 7 (which I didn't like at all), even though it's not perfect :-) 7.5/10 -- definitely worth watching, but definitely not classic-level. For Acrofales, about the amount of space battles: + Show Spoiler + There is quite a bit of space fighting at the end, but my 2D experience was thoroughly enjoyable hello  , plz tell me Vader appears more than joker in suicide squad  | ||
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eviltomahawk
United States11135 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:11 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: hello , plz tell me Vader appears more than joker in suicide squad I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I've heard, Vader appears less than Suicide Squad's Joker, though Vader's scenes are still amazing. I actually would prefer for him to not have a big presence in the movie so that he doesn't overshadow the new characters, but reviewers have been saying that those new characters aren't as fleshed out and developed as they want. I'm still probably going to see the movie a few times despite all that. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. | ||
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Foxxan
Sweden3427 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:42 kwizach wrote: I haven't seen Suicide Squad, so I can't compare, but about Vader's screen time: + Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. what would you rate starwars 7: the force awakens? | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
I saw things I liked, but it did seem to deviate a fair bit from the "Star Wars" feel. Which was fine when it was Zahn's books for example, but terrible in many other cases. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6720 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:42 kwizach wrote: I haven't seen Suicide Squad, so I can't compare, but about Vader's screen time: + Show Spoiler + He only appears in two real scenes, so I would say we see him for a couple of minutes on screen. thanks | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6720 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:17 eviltomahawk wrote: I haven't seen the movie yet, but from what I've heard, Vader appears less than Suicide Squad's Joker, though Vader's scenes are still amazing. I actually would prefer for him to not have a big presence in the movie so that he doesn't overshadow the new characters, but reviewers have been saying that those new characters aren't as fleshed out and developed as they want. I'm still probably going to see the movie a few times despite all that. i guess you right,better to have 1 minute of an impactful scene than 7 full of crap :D | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
On December 14 2016 21:49 Foxxan wrote: what would you rate starwars 7: the force awakens? As a sequel of the original trilogy, 5,5-6/10 when I came out of the theater, 4-4,5/10 later on. As a fan of the Star Wars universe, I felt insulted by Episode 7 (even though I know I'm in the minority). I find it to be a safe and hollow shell of a movie, which shamelessly repackages ANH (and, to a lesser extent, elements of RotJ) while taking a dump on the potential of the Star Wars universe and the legacy of the original trilogy, with only a few redeeming qualities. | ||
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 14 2016 19:42 Acrofales wrote: So apparently some people got to see it last night in pre-screenings. Does anybody know whether there are enough space action scenes to merit watching it in 3D? Because the somewhat gritty feel of the trailer makes it seem like 2D will give a better experience. Also, is this review a troll review? I thought the New Yorker was a pretty serious magazine: http://www.newyorker.com/culture/richard-brody/rogue-one-reviewed-is-it-time-to-abandon-the-star-wars-franchise But it says that "Attack of the Clones" and "Revenge of the Sith" were the best of Lucas' Star Wars films, so I just cannot take it seriously. The New Yorker is a serious magazine... they don't do serious movie reviews. Most of them are excuses to go on about some topic or another. That author in particular is just bizarre; try reading his review of the whole Star Wars ouvre to understand how off-base he is. | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
Well company movie tickets anyways. | ||
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tyr
France1686 Posts
On December 15 2016 05:18 Koivusto wrote: I just watched it. But it was like I had already seen it many times. It was like a season 8 of a TV show that used to be good. While I agree that there wasn't anything particularly new, I thought this was done better than most of the other Star Wars movies, probably because it's just a story of its own, and the movie is made as such. As a result I felt the characters had the right amount of development for their role and it ended up working quite nicely. I also enjoyed the visuals more than in most of the other SW movies. But that's just a personal thing I guess. On the downside, pretty much everything in the movie is predictable. But then again, I don't think we were supposed to be surprised by anything to start with. Overall, I would recommend seeing it, especially if you enjoy Star Wars. It's the best movie in the franchise to be released in a long time. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17397 Posts
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Zinnwaldite
Norway1567 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On December 15 2016 07:15 Zinnwaldite wrote: I wish they would make an Old Republic movie. By far the best part of the Star Wars universe. I love KotOR to death, but it always makes me a little sad to play. Partly because it actually offers a compelling narrative of how a young idealistic Jedi got wrapped up in the power of violence due to a galaxy-shattering war against the Mandalorians. In other words, it was everything the prequels were supposed to be. And that just gets me going on the promise those movies could have fulfilled Can you imagine if we had stayed true to established lore, and the Republic hadn't faced an army of goofy robots with bad hand-eye coordination but instead an army of Jango Fett and his buddies cloned a million times each and facing the mighty but beleaguered Jedi? If the reason Anakin had turned to darkness had been not some vague promise of saving Padme from his bad dreams, but rather a clever echo of Ep VI where he is trapped in the trenches with the handsome and chivalrous commander Palpatine, who tempts him to secret evil by pointing out that a bunker held by his friends is about to be overrun? And soon the fellowship in arms shatters, leaving Yoda and Obi-Wan and Bail Organa to take one side while Anakin, Palpatine, and the clever and ruthless (but basically sensible, if somewhat proud) Tarkin on the other. | ||
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kwizach
3658 Posts
Like I said, I think it's a much better part of the SW saga than TFA. My criteria are however different, since TFA was a "real" episode and had to deal with the evolution of the galaxy, of the New Republic, and of the characters (all of which I think it handled horribly). This one can focus on its own characters. I give it a 7-7,5/10. Far from perfect, and not a classic, but a definitely enjoyable Star Wars experience despite its flaws. I do recommend seeing it, especially in theaters. The things that I liked: - The story is original (it is obviously inspired by some other stories, but nothing on the scale of TFA). Globally, the plot mostly holds. - Some of the characters work well (in particular + Show Spoiler + Donnie Yen's character, who felt genuinely altruistic - It is visually very well done, in particular + Show Spoiler + the final space battle -- the colors with the shield and planet below are amazing - It's entertaining, even though some plot points are quite (sometimes very) predictable. - The presence of some classic characters that they didn't overuse, like + Show Spoiler + Mon Mothma, Jan Dodonna, R2D2 & C3PO and + Show Spoiler [Major spoiler] + Leia - Great alien design in most cases. The same goes for Stormtrooper armors. It felt good to be back to the original designs, with some new ones included in the mix. - Some great (and sometimes fantastic) action scenes. - It did feel like we were exploring the Star Wars galaxy more so than in TFA. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + They provided a credible explanation for the Death Star's weakness! :-) The things that I'm ambivalent about: - + Show Spoiler + Tarkin appearing in the movie. I suppose they used a lookalike and CGI, and it was quite a technical success. Yet at the same time, you can't help but know that it's not real because Peter Cushing's been dead for over twenty years, and so it somewhat took me out of the movie, as happy as I was to see his character. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Plot element] + Darth Vader's two appearances. I felt the first one was contrived and screamed "fan service" (also, the line + Show Spoiler + "don't choke on your ambition (aspiration?)" you know he's going to go just slow enough to give enough time to the last soldier to hand the plans to someone on the other side of the door. - + Show Spoiler + K-2SO's lines: some of them were pretty funny, others a bit cringy. - The music: it wasn't particularly noteworthy, but at the same time the usual score did its job. - The links with ANH. + Show Spoiler + It's nice that they tried to closely tie the two films, but at the same time I feel like they went completely overboard with it. + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + Leia's vessel literally takes off right under Vader's nose, meaning that her claim in ANH that they're on a "diplomatic mission" is a ludicrously bad excuse. She must know everyone just saw them desperately leave the battlefield... I preferred to imagine that Vader's destroyer had managed to intercept her ship on its journey, not that the two ships had arrived near Tatooine from the same starting point. They could perhaps have slightly tweaked the RO ending by having Vader slaughter the soldiers in the hallway right until the last one, who barely manages to beam the plans to Leia's ship far from the battlefield, on the edge of the system. We then see Vader tell his subordinates "there was another ship in the system, find out to where it jumped!". Of course, this still does not fully correspond to the dialog in the first scenes of ANH inside the Tantive IV, since Vader says it is "spies" who sent the transmission with the plans that the Tantive IV intercepted, and not "soldiers". In both scenarios, therefore, there is something slightly off. The fact that ANH takes place right after RO also means that Tarkin has been at the helm of the Death Star for a couple of days in ANH, while Cushin's original performance, and him presiding over the table of officers present at the start of the movie, gives a very different impression. I think him being in charge of the station for a while works better. The things that I didn't like: - I did not build a true emotional connection to the characters. I think the script is too weak in this respect. In most cases, I don't think the characters were handled well enough -- among the secondary ones, I liked Donnie Yen's, but he's mostly the exception to the rule. + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + I simply was not really moved as we saw them die one by one Jyn smiling to her crew (after supposedly inspiring moments) which looked plain bad, I also don't think they handled the father-daughter relationship very well. I didn't feel a synergy or an emotional connection between the two, + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + which made it hard to care when her father died in front of her - + Show Spoiler + How the Rebel Alliance was pictured in the movie. + Show Spoiler [Major plot elements] + There was no need, in my opinion, to morally compromise the Alliance to this extent. I'm fine with a debate over the kind of means they're ready to employ to achieve their goals, but it should have happened between the Alliance and Whitaker's faction. The Alliance's council was also poorly set up -- we're supposed to believe that the future of the Alliance and the response to the potential existence of the Death Star was handled this poorly, during a five-minute discussion with dozens of soldiers crammed behind the leaders? I didn't like that scene at all. - Krennic's character didn't seem particularly threatening to me, + Show Spoiler + partially because he's undermined + Show Spoiler [Major information] + by Tarkin - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Important plot point] + The "hammerhead" rebel vessel pushing one Star Destroyer into the second one, destroying both and the shield. Those two Star Destroyers should have put up much more of a fight. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + Director Krennic getting shot by Cassian right when he was about to kill Jyn... Lazy writing, we've seen this kind of scene in a thousand movies. You could see it coming from a mile away. - + Show Spoiler + + Show Spoiler [MAJOR plot point] + I get that Tarkin wanted both Director Krennic gone and the transmission of the plans prevented/stopped, but still, using the Death Star to shoot the antenna and destroy the entire Imperial base on Scarif was completely overkill. I can't help but see it as plot convenience rather than in-universe rational decisionmaking. - + Show Spoiler + The cameo appearances of the two outlaws that we see Kenobi deal with in ANH's cantina after they threaten to kill Luke -- unnecessary fan service, and it took me out of the movie - Stormtroopers remain too easy to kill, although they do get some good shots in. - Baze's character. I thought + Show Spoiler + his rifle was too effective, and his character was not particularly well exploited, despite his friendship with Yen's character. - + Show Spoiler + With one exception (edit: actually two, counting the planet Andor starts on at the beginning of the movie), all of the planets we visited seemed to only have one camp or one imperial base. - The cringy use of + Show Spoiler + "hope" + Show Spoiler [Major plot point] + it immediately precedes A New Hope - Ultimately, with one exception, no element of the movie really made an impression on me that I'll remember for a really long time. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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kwizach
3658 Posts
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
But still the movie has a potential to be very entertaining, not denying that. | ||
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