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On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote:
The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy.
While i do agree that the characters were disposable and that they jad very little character development, i disagree with the comparison with The Hobbit. The Hobbit was the first movie out of a trilogy. This is a stand alone movie in which we pretty much know the general outcome already so we know those characters will have very little development because they are going to die.
Also, about Vader's tower. I could be wrong but i think that that was the lava planet he and obi-wan dueled on and where he ultimately was transformed into Vader.
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I find these opinions that Rogue One is better than Episode VII to be really interesting. I like Episode VII a lot more. The only real problem that I have with Episode VII is the destruction of the New Republic. Other than that, I found it to be a very solid movie with likable characters and worthy of the original trilogy. I couldn't give two shits about any of the characters in Rogue One (except for K2).
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On December 17 2016 04:44 Fliparoni wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 18:41 disciple wrote:
The movie is basically the first Hobbit with a StarWars skin on top. A group of disposable characters with very little character development and hard to remember names. Turns out Darth Vader lived in the tower of Sauron in Mordor...Also just like the Hobbit, Rogue One had no clear tone - it mixed humor and slap stick comedy with casual deaths and tragedy. While i do agree that the characters were disposable and that they jad very little character development, i disagree with the comparison with The Hobbit. The Hobbit was the first movie out of a trilogy. This is a stand alone movie in which we pretty much know the general outcome already so we know those characters will have very little development because they are going to die. Also, about Vader's tower. I could be wrong but i think that that was the lava planet he and obi-wan dueled on and where he ultimately was transformed into Vader.
Yeah, that was the exact same planet. Kinda weird how he set up shop near the same place that he got burnt up in the first place. Maybe it powers his dark side emo powers.
The concept for Vader's castle also had been floating around since the original trilogy. They even considered it for Force Awakens, but this is the first time that the place has been canonized since the Legends EU.
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Just watched it. I liked it and thought it was well done. No disappointments because I didn't go in expecting anything. It suffers from the prequel issue + Show Spoiler +that everyone you don't know of obviously dies by the end.
Still, pretty good.
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I'd put that penultimate sentence between spoiler tags if I were you :-) People who haven't seen the movie still read the thread.
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It's not a spoiler if it's obvious.
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On December 17 2016 01:03 xDaunt wrote:Show nested quote +On December 16 2016 21:43 kwizach wrote:On December 16 2016 17:23 xDaunt wrote:With regards to Episode VIII: + Show Spoiler +Could that have been Snoke that we saw on Mustafar (or wherever it was) and who got Vader out of the tank? + Show Spoiler +Apparently not: It's still a bit weird for them to have included a cloaked character (instead of, say, a regular imperial officer) like that for no ulterior reason, though. We'll see  Eh, I wouldn't be surprised if that tweet is false. BTW, your review is pretty much spot on.
Yeah, it's possible it is. There must be some kind of connection either to future movies or to the EU, otherwise it's a strange inclusion (because it raises the question of who the character is). Thanks.
To the poster who mentioned it'd be great to have a KOTOR movie saga: I agree, there's an incredible amount of great material in the Old Republic era (KOTOR and other creations, such as the Exar Kun and Naga Sadow stories). So much, in fact, that it'd make for a great tv series if we could have movie-level budgets for each individual episode :-)
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I want to disagree with kwizach and his review but it's mostly really true. It's got that Disney empire kind of "safe but entertaining" direction for lack of a better term. That doesn't mean it's not really fun and enjoyable to watch.
Best review is I guess it won't change your life but it's everything you think you want from a movie.
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My biggest gripe is simply that + Show Spoiler +characters just keep dying after they serve their purpose in the movie.
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On December 17 2016 10:50 LegalLord wrote:My biggest gripe is simply that + Show Spoiler +characters just keep dying after they serve their purpose in the movie.
+ Show Spoiler +At The same time I really enjoyed I guess the way that everyone died. It was sad but triumphant ar tge same time from the grenade you saw sailing through the sky into the hold as bodi watched to the I am one with the force the force is with me deaths and finally the two main characters holding eachother as they watched the blast approach them. A ton of movies have really shitty endings or pointless death of characters (harry potter looking at you) so to see everyone get a good quality death was really one of the high points for me.
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Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII?
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On December 17 2016 20:02 Dante08 wrote:
Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII?
You got it right
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On December 17 2016 09:58 Sermokala wrote:
I want to disagree with kwizach and his review but it's mostly really true. It's got that Disney empire kind of "safe but entertaining" direction for lack of a better term. That doesn't mean it's not really fun and enjoyable to watch.
Best review is I guess it won't change your life but it's everything you think you want from a movie.
Agree. I disagree with him about TFA, which I consider superior to this, but R1 is entertaining and fills in a bit of the back story. It just doesn't make you care for the characters (which being a one-off isn't too terrible, but at times they feel more like plot devices than people).
Oh, and K2 is great, but still prefer BB. But the new droid additions steal the show in both TFA and R1.
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The final sequence made no sense. What was Leia doing in the middle of the battle? Why didn't Vader just blow up the capital ship before anybody could escape? Why didn't he force pull Leia's cruiser back? Or just force choke everybody in it? Fan service.
I also have to wonder why they have randomly opening gates/doors/things in all SW bases?
However the Scarif battle was an amazing action sequence and I felt it fitting how everybody died, and was given a proper death. Felt especially sorry for Bhodi and Chirrut.
Makeup/CGI on Tarkin and Leia was amazing. Vader felt scary and the light saber ignition was awesome.
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On December 17 2016 12:15 Sermokala wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 10:50 LegalLord wrote:My biggest gripe is simply that + Show Spoiler +characters just keep dying after they serve their purpose in the movie. + Show Spoiler +At The same time I really enjoyed I guess the way that everyone died. It was sad but triumphant ar tge same time from the grenade you saw sailing through the sky into the hold as bodi watched to the I am one with the force the force is with me deaths and finally the two main characters holding eachother as they watched the blast approach them. A ton of movies have really shitty endings or pointless death of characters (harry potter looking at you) so to see everyone get a good quality death was really one of the high points for me.
While + Show Spoiler +it's fine to see some characters, including the main two/four/five, get killed the death of the admiral dude. you know Ackbar is the admiral in #6 so obviously some no-name is dying here. It's so ridiculously obvious.
I also found it quite unbelievable how + Show Spoiler +the Imperials decided to nuke the entire installation from orbit rather than just shoot down the radar. I mean they knew what the rebels were after, and they decided to destroy the Imperial archives in their entirety? how remarkably mobile the Rebel fleet was. They just happened to be able to strike anywhere at any time within this movie.
The director dude, + Show Spoiler +he was pretty well-established to be a side-threat throughout the entire thing. I had no problem with him being kind of a lesser villain because it was clearly what it was intended to be.
On the technical side, I thought that this movie did justice to + Show Spoiler +the design and use of TIE fighters in a way that Ep 4-6 didn't (but Ep 7 kinda did) the Vader mask looked like a goddamn toy.
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Are spoilers still necessary?
As a big SW fan + Show Spoiler + watched all the original/prequel over 20x~ plus read EU (50+ books) and technical manuals
Pros to the movie RO
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-Characters die (gives it more realism and also stops silly plot loops later)
-Lack of Jedi/Lightsaber focus, gives much more presence to the other technology, and battles play out better (hope this is the case for other tie-in movies).
-The rebellion feels grittier and less coordinated which was how it was supposed to be
-Great action scenes, only one major gripe to come in the Cons.
-A good explanation for the major flaw in the Death Star for IV - ANH
-A few nods (appearances / fanservice) to the older movies that I felt were nice without being too cheesy or far fetched.
Cons to the movie RO
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-weak dialogue
-unconvincing characters (Cassian Andor especially) with the exception of Donnie Yen who is great.
-species and technological timeline being ignored (Mon Calamari had not joined Rebellion before ANH), ships including Nebulon-B frigate were not available to the alliance before ANH, the whole idea of a rebel fleet that large and coordinated is a bit stretched. (Also felt really forced and unnecessary, could have just used Star Fighters rather than capital ships to attack)
-The Hammerhead ship (wtf it pushing two Star Destroyers into each other is so fucking stupid, this is the only major thing that bothered me with all the action/battle scenes and maybe my biggest gripe overall.
-The Vader scene at the end, he could've force choked/lightsabered the whole corridor before the details were passed on, and as someone else mentioned it makes no sense for the Tantive IV to be inside the other rebel ship instead of being launched and useful, for the princess to be randomly in a battle instead of doing diplomatic work at that stage of the rebellion.
-The decision to use the Death Star on the Imperial Archives after they have a fleet of Star Destroyers there
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On December 17 2016 20:02 Dante08 wrote:
Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII?
I, II, Clone Wars, III, Rebels, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII to be exact and for complete reference to what is considered canon right now.
I don't know how many anthologies they're going to do, but I hope for at least 3:
- Solo
- Kenobi
- Fett
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On December 17 2016 20:52 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 20:02 Dante08 wrote:
Whats the timeline for the movies so far? I, II, III, Rogue One, IV, V, VI, VII? You got it right
Ah thanks. Overall I enjoyed the movie, the first half was pretty boring but the climax was great. I was wondering why is this another Star Wars movie where the plot is destroying the death star but realized why at the end.
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On December 18 2016 03:04 Manit0u wrote:
I don't know how many anthologies they're going to do, but I hope for at least 3:
- Solo
- Kenobi
- Fett
I wish they had decided to leave Solo's past alone.
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On December 17 2016 21:29 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2016 09:58 Sermokala wrote:
I want to disagree with kwizach and his review but it's mostly really true. It's got that Disney empire kind of "safe but entertaining" direction for lack of a better term. That doesn't mean it's not really fun and enjoyable to watch.
Best review is I guess it won't change your life but it's everything you think you want from a movie. Agree. I disagree with him about TFA, which I consider superior to this, but R1 is entertaining and fills in a bit of the back story. It just doesn't make you care for the characters (which being a one-off isn't too terrible, but at times they feel more like plot devices than people). Oh, and K2 is great, but still prefer BB. But the new droid additions steal the show in both TFA and R1. + Show Spoiler +
The final sequence made no sense. What was Leia doing in the middle of the battle? Why didn't Vader just blow up the capital ship before anybody could escape? Why didn't he force pull Leia's cruiser back? Or just force choke everybody in it? Fan service.
I also have to wonder why they have randomly opening gates/doors/things in all SW bases?
However the Scarif battle was an amazing action sequence and I felt it fitting how everybody died, and was given a proper death. Felt especially sorry for Bhodi and Chirrut.
Makeup/CGI on Tarkin and Leia was amazing. Vader felt scary and the light saber ignition was awesome.
+ Show Spoiler +the ending was the obvious set up for a new hope and it accelerated because of that knowledge. She was there because she has to be in the blockade runner to have the plans and get away. I don't think even vader has the kind off force power to outdo 9 star engines worth of thrust in space. thats something thats only on starkiller levels of force.
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