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On December 06 2016 08:30 Yhamm wrote:Show nested quote +On December 06 2016 07:29 SK.Testie wrote:On December 06 2016 07:27 Swisslink wrote:
I think it's more likely the other way round: The Ford that died was a host and the real Ford still pulling the strings in the background.
Ahh, that would actually be good and wouldn't be cheap because it would allow her to think she killed a real person. Wouldn't she know that he's a host though? The same way Maeve knew Bernard was one. And 'bout Felix, maybe Ford knew he was playing with that bird, and that's not a coincidence she woke up when he was fixing her
Yeah, you're correct I just got excited at the thought of Ford still being alive.
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On December 06 2016 07:27 Swisslink wrote:Well, Maeve recognized Bernard as host and Maeve said that Felix is human. So I really doubt that Felix could be a host at this point - unfortunately.
She could always keep him in the dark.
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I have three questions following a fantastic finale:
1. How many guns in the park are real? The show has been very inconsistent about this, especially towards the end. The season started with a fairly robust example that the guns in the park are not real because they cannot penetrate, but even for the security staff, it seems like they would only shoot hosts.
2. How many humans among the staff are real? It's unclear if Bernard is extraordinary or not, especially since the staff in general is not shown leaving to go home and hardly anybody is shown sleeping, even implied. Curiously, it seems like Bernard lives in quarters on site and there seemed to be a lot. An earlier episode showed that at least one of the security staff is a host and he was indistinguishable from the others.
3. Must the hosts be stronger than humans? I can understand if they have a metal or carbon fiber skeleton, as with earlier models, that they would thus have bones that are harder to break, but I'm not sure why it must be that a host is stronger than any human. This goes doubly for the fact that most hosts are prohibited by their programming from wielding knives or axes or fighting humans at all.
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1. Although I already feel I need to rewatch the show as I feel I've forgotten a lot about the earlier episodes, I think all guns are real? I think the fact that real people can't get hurt by them had something to do with the code of the world they were in (Westworld).
2. I think very few are hosts and I can't remember any security guard being a host? Unless you meant the guy they prepared to attack the hooker, but he wasn't a security guard, just some dude they prepared for the demonstration (i think). Anyway, can't remember I guess =[
3. No idea, I would assume they would be deadlier weapons if they could use weapons as they would probably be far more accurate when hitting/shooting (and in general faster too i guess) than humans.
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my god, why does everything need to have a "another season" all the fucking time?
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btw Bernard mentioned that Maevs escape is also a script, but she told him to shut up, so it can be possible all those guards are hosts (control room was isolated, and warnings by automated system before the guards came in - like for upcoming evemy wave), so technicly Felix might be also a host with script?
Considering Ford was an evil genius...
Samurai scene means sunrise world in s2?
And again, wtf with the scene in the very end after titles?
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On December 06 2016 01:58 Koivusto wrote:
the very first host that is placed against the wall, has the same face as Felix.
Hehe, now that is racist.
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The finale was awesome, I can't wait to see the robots figure out their uprising 
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On December 06 2016 19:50 FFGenerations wrote:
my god, why does everything need to have a "another season" all the fucking time?
Well, a series that has been planned as a 5-season-series from the very first moment, necessarily has to have another season.
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On December 06 2016 19:50 FFGenerations wrote:
my god, why does everything need to have a "another season" all the fucking time?
Can't abandon cash flow in the non GoT portions of the year. I understand the frustration though, there are plenty of shows I'd rather see retired in favor of less tired concepts.
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what scene after titles? I didn't see it 
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On December 07 2016 00:33 VHbb wrote:what scene after titles? I didn't see it
You missed some more security guards retardation or in other words you missed nothing that would improve on the episode.
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+ Show Spoiler +Wasn't her pain level set at zero anyway? So chopping off her arm didn't really cause any pain to her. God I do hate it how they deliberately chose a butch looking woman to be the violent woman, quite cliched. They should have used someone petite sort of like Delores kind of look instead to make it look less conventional.
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On December 07 2016 01:39 Case123 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Wasn't her pain level set at zero anyway? So chopping off her arm didn't really cause any pain to her. God I do hate it how they deliberately chose a butch looking woman to be the violent woman, quite cliched. They should have used someone petite sort of like Delores kind of look instead to make it look less conventional.
I didn't notice anything especially butch about her. That term to my mind, would be like having the woman who plays Boo on Orange is the New Black, being the violent host in the last episode.
You mean though, I think, that her character in the park was Tom Boyish or she was a more manly hope though right? Just trying to confirm.
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i couldn't see it immediately, but she's the wildgirl who accompanies the bandit guy everywhere, she had quite a few minor scenes here and there, and it ultimately makes sense for her to be with him. i think it would have been more effective if it was just him though really. since Maevs communicated only with him the entire time throughout the show. if anything they should have left her in cowgirl clothes so she somewhat resembled her previous character :/
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didn't you recognize her tatoo? o_O
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I liked the episode (you can cut all the Maeve story completely and nothing would happen), but I really feel that was Hopkins who gave the extra mile to this show, the writing and character development is not on par with his acting skills. Now that the show is about hosts, that nobody cares about,how they are going to keep the narrative. One thing, in the episode when Theresa died Ford was making a new host, so somebody has to return for the second season.
Btw, GoT first seasons were not actor dependant because they had wonderful books to be based on.
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Please can someone explain to me what on earth the point was of Maeve's entire storyline? I'm sure it's trying to make a point about free will, but even that is overshadowed by Dolores. Such a waste of one of the better actresses and more interesting characters in the season to pair her up with dumb and dumber in an entirely pointless plotline. Hector going ham was quite amusing, but completely irrelevant.
Other than that, the episode was excellent. I am still unhappy with the stylistic choice for portraying William-MIB storyline, but that is irrelevant in this episode. Ties the main stories together nicely in a satisfying conclusion. However, there are a fair number of lose ends. The most obvious is security guy was surrounded by natives in last week's episode in a bit of a cliffhanger, but wasn't even mentioned this ep. Nobody noticed he was missing?
Regarding William's ending: so essentially Logan dies there, right? He is butt naked in bright sunlight, no water, and trussed onto a horse that is running out the edge of the park. You'd expect something to be mentioned about a massive lawsuit vs park, or a murder investigation into William. Right?
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On December 07 2016 04:17 Acrofales wrote:
Please can someone explain to me what on earth the point was of Maeve's entire storyline? I'm sure it's trying to make a point about free will, but even that is overshadowed by Dolores. Such a waste of one of the better actresses and more interesting characters in the season to pair her up with dumb and dumber in an entirely pointless plotline. Hector going ham was quite amusing, but completely irrelevant.
Other than that, the episode was excellent. I am still unhappy with the stylistic choice for portraying William-MIB storyline, but that is irrelevant in this episode. Ties the main stories together nicely in a satisfying conclusion. However, there are a fair number of lose ends. The most obvious is security guy was surrounded by natives in last week's episode in a bit of a cliffhanger, but wasn't even mentioned this ep. Nobody noticed he was missing?
Regarding William's ending: so essentially Logan dies there, right? He is butt naked in bright sunlight, no water, and trussed onto a horse that is running out the edge of the park. You'd expect something to be mentioned about a massive lawsuit vs park, or a murder investigation into William. Right?
I think you could make the argument that Maeve's story framed the experience of becoming sentient in a more linear fashion, and from a more host-centric perspective.
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