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On November 27 2016 09:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On November 27 2016 08:58 BurningSera wrote:
yup, #7 reveal brought up the show abit, and #8 is absolutely shit. The fact that they use an asian actor on such role is pissing me off as well. This is 2016, 2017 is nearly there. I never understand why the need to keep shitting on asian stereotype like that.
And by the looks of the town is still buried in dolores+william time, this looks more and more like MiB is likely to be him...and the girl that showed up near the end, thats one of the faces i remember who guided william's first time entering WW. Yup.
I thought Ford would replace Theresa with a fake body/host, it is just way too obvious now Ford killed her ffs. I hope the girl who was down there investigating the secret didnt die. And ya, come on, at this stage if nobody is going to do anything to the obvious abnormalities then it is just so dumb. I'm not sure. While it was made very obvious that MIB and William are in different times, MIB filling us in on his back story doesn't seem to jibe with William, unless the reveal is something that changes William from white-hat to black-hat before he even marries. Because what MIB said is that he was basically evil (at least, his wife and daughter so that in him) but didn't realize it himself (until he went and murdered Maeve's daughter). Moreover, it seems like William should know a little bit about the maze, because Dolores is following it. And MIB said he only learned about the maze's existence from Maeve.
Yup, thats why i inclined to believe william =/= MiB before #8, but then why the hell they tell us the stories in this way then. I just assumed something happened to William in the span of 30 years. I mean, it still doesnt make sense for the hosts we see in William's timeline, those are not robotic hosts, and MiB has repeatedly said about the hosts he first saw have robotic/mechanics inside.
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Just gotta say Charlotte (board member girl) is gorgeous. I thought she was black, but it seems like she's 3/4 Latina 1/4 white.
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On November 28 2016 03:39 parkufarku wrote:
Just gotta say Charlotte (board member girl) is gorgeous. I thought she was black, but it seems like she's 3/4 Latina 1/4 white.
1/2 Afro-Panamanian (i.e. black), 1/4 Mexican and 1/4 European. But I agree. :-)
edit: It's "Panamanian", not "Panamian". 
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Oh. When it said Panamian, I didn't think of Black-Latino descent
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I am finding that I like this series less and less as the story progresses. The interest in the world is slowly fading as they ramble about showing multiple time periods of the same scene without progressing the story much. In the latest episode you could easily condense the story worthy parts to 10 minutes, including the good dialogues and monologues. Would likely be a better story if they didn't slow it down to include what feels like all factions but instead left more actions hinted at instead of shown.
As they go into a more gritty and dark style of episode the scenic and slice of life allure is also removed, giving even less reason to watch.
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The point of the show isn't the plot. The point is the ongoing philosophical discussions that birth the plot. If you don't have the patience for that kind of thing, then the show isn't for you. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
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Are you the kind of person that prefers entire baseball games be summed up in 10 second highlight reels or prefers reading Wikipedia summaries of plots rather than actual books?
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On November 27 2016 10:27 coverpunch wrote:
I'm a little bit confused about the timeline with Maeve and where it is with respect to the MiB, since she's drifting between Westworld and the real world. They've already picked her up for repairs four or five times, but I don't think the MiB has gone through four or five nights.
I think they are on the same timeline. Its way too hard to guess how many nights MIB has been through
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Thoughts after this episode.
+ Show Spoiler +So we've officially established that there have been flashbacks to and from various timelines, namely the interview sequences with Dolores.
But the core of the plot all to me seems to be on the same timeline. Dolores reaches the end of the maze at the same time that the Man In Black finds her after getting the info from the woman in Wyatt's group, Ford and Bernard seem to be on this same timeline as well due to Charlotte's presence in the park in this episode, which in turn would also suggest that the Man in Black is on the same timeline as Ford and Bernard.
The only one I can't figure out is Maeve as her whole arc seems very disconnected with the other plotlines right now, but considering that the other arcs to me all appear to be on the same timeline still, (I really don't buy this theory that William is somehow an early version of the MiB) it would seem her story is on the same timeline as well.
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On November 28 2016 18:06 Vindicare605 wrote:Thoughts after this episode. + Show Spoiler +So we've officially established that there have been flashbacks to and from various timelines, namely the interview sequences with Dolores.
But the core of the plot all to me seems to be on the same timeline. Dolores reaches the end of the maze at the same time that the Man In Black finds her after getting the info from the woman in Wyatt's group, Ford and Bernard seem to be on this same timeline as well due to Charlotte's presence in the park in this episode, which in turn would also suggest that the Man in Black is on the same timeline as Ford and Bernard.
The only one I can't figure out is Maeve as her whole arc seems very disconnected with the other plotlines right now, but considering that the other arcs to me all appear to be on the same timeline still, (I really don't buy this theory that William is somehow an early version of the MiB) it would seem her story is on the same timeline as well.
+ Show Spoiler +The old torn up picture that ends up glitching Peter Abernathy is the same one that Logan slides in William's jacket. And it's likely that MiB dropped the picture there since he visited shortly before Peter found it. I think it's very likely we'll see Peter in a different role in William's timeline next episode and he'll somehow see the picture in the past.
Logan also cut Dolores to show William her mechanic insides, whereas Maeve and the other current hosts are not like that and MiB mentioned this change. Even if theoretically Dolores were still mechanic in the present by virtue of being the oldest host, Logan didn't really know anything about her specifically in that scene, he cut her knowing any host would be mechanic.
The 'old whore' as MiB calls the host that kills Teddy is the very first host that William encountered when getting ready to enter the park and she offered him sex. It's the same scene where we noticed the different logo in William's time.
MiB was also revealed this episode to be a board member or at least have influence within Delos, which ties in what Logan says about how the company they work for is connected with the park.
While it may appear that there is continuity between Dolores leaving William/Logan and meeting MiB in the church, there was a transition there where she suddenly finds herself without the stab wound. It would make no sense for the park crew to repair her then put her back in the middle of nowhere with no guests around instead of placing her back in her routine. I'd say it's far more likely that the stab scene is from a flashback as she is retracing her steps from decades ago.
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Well, this last episode was like a confirmation of everything I was thinking before, so I'm fine with that :D
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They've really gone for style and manipulative editing over substance and narrative consistency. They made it seem like she flash-backed to the MiB barn scene before killing a bandit in the barn and immediately riding to where she finds William, in the same dress. How the fuck is the dress the same after that long and that many park upgrades. Why did the body that blew up not shower people in robot parts? Why is the bandit completely okay with burning alive during sex in a tent? It's kind of a painful way to go, when they could just suicide with bullets. The number of times they've chosen to go for style points over the story's integrity is getting painful.
It's an absolute mess of plot holes now they've opened up the timelines... such a waste after this series started off so promisingly. Definitely headed down the Lost rabbit-hole.
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On November 29 2016 00:05 Scarecrow wrote:
They've really gone for style and manipulative editing over substance and narrative consistency. They made it seem like she flash-backed to the MiB barn scene before killing a bandit in the barn and immediately riding to where she finds William, in the same dress. How the fuck is the dress the same after that long and that many park upgrades. Why did the body that blew up not shower people in robot parts? Why is the bandit completely okay with burning alive during sex in a tent? It's kind of a painful way to go, when they could just suicide with bullets. The number of times they've chosen to go for style points over the story's integrity is getting painful.
It's an absolute mess of plot holes now they've opened up the timelines... such a waste after this series started off so promisingly. Definitely headed down the Lost rabbit-hole.
Thank you, this sums up my thoughts rather perfectly.
Through-out the show I've kind of had this problem. I'm pretty easily able to suspend my disbelief, but the simple logistics of character movement and such in this show always just kind of grates me. Everyone just skips around in place and time as the plot pleases.
And, yeah, burning yourself alive. Not sure how that's helpful. Kind of seems like they might get burned to their core, like it seems the kind of damage that might screw up one's programming/memory. It'd be funny, in a realistic sort-of-way, if next episode they're just completely rebuilt, reset, and have no idea of the "progress" they'd made through the series. Or maybe they're just ashes, gone beyond repair.
But, no, I'm sure they're fine. In an instant, they'll be fully repaired, awake in an unsupervised room, together, right as rain to take their next overly-contrived plot-step. And that's the stuff that buggers my belief, and drains the plot of all tension.
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On November 28 2016 15:39 xDaunt wrote:
The point of the show isn't the plot. The point is the ongoing philosophical discussions that birth the plot. If you don't have the patience for that kind of thing, then the show isn't for you. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
Im not so sure. If what you say was true they would slow down the plot to allow for more reflection. This is a series that uses multiple timelines for watercooler moments.
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On November 28 2016 15:47 coverpunch wrote:
Are you the kind of person that prefers entire baseball games be summed up in 10 second highlight reels or prefers reading Wikipedia summaries of plots rather than actual books?
Baseball, yes. Don't enjoy the sport outside of a dramatisation such as the animes Touch and Cross Game (watched live at an arena when I was at Seattle 2013 and that was fine I guess).
For books, in some cases yes, in some cases no. It depends on the characters and level of writing. Not all books are worth reading but they can have interesting plots anyway that can be worth reading a wiki about when I don't want to read the actual book. Most of the time I read the wiki when I give up on the book due to bad writing to get closure, if it is really horrible I even skip that. I do tend to read 100-200 books a year so that is kind of a missed stab in the dark.
This show is reaching the level of perhaps being worth reading a wiki summary or skimming the episodes of. It doesn't have enough things in each episode to retain interest for 50 minutes (I prefer half hour shows so it is a common problem for me).
On November 28 2016 15:39 xDaunt wrote:
The point of the show isn't the plot. The point is the ongoing philosophical discussions that birth the plot. If you don't have the patience for that kind of thing, then the show isn't for you. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
I honestly don't find philosophical questions entertaining past 10 minutes. If the philosophy is the point then we have had 405 minutes of it now, which is roughly 40 times my tolerance when I can't be involved and influence the discussion.
I do enjoy a lot of other slow slice of life series but this isn't hitting a chord with me. Of the currently airing slower shows I greatly enjoy the anime Natsume Yuujinchou Go. That also raises philosophical questions but uses 20 minutes and then moves on to the next one in the overarching scheme.
It is interesting that I mentally think of it as slice of life when there are tons of action in each episode. Probably shows which parts of the show that resonates best with me.
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On November 29 2016 00:05 Scarecrow wrote:
They've really gone for style and manipulative editing over substance and narrative consistency. They made it seem like she flash-backed to the MiB barn scene before killing a bandit in the barn and immediately riding to where she finds William, in the same dress. How the fuck is the dress the same after that long and that many park upgrades. Why did the body that blew up not shower people in robot parts? Why is the bandit completely okay with burning alive during sex in a tent? It's kind of a painful way to go, when they could just suicide with bullets. The number of times they've chosen to go for style points over the story's integrity is getting painful.
It's an absolute mess of plot holes now they've opened up the timelines... such a waste after this series started off so promisingly. Definitely headed down the Lost rabbit-hole.
There's absolutely no reason to change their clothes, they are in a historical park after all
At first Bernard didn't see the door, he didn't see himself on the photo, (and we didn't either) hosts don't see and don't hear what they are not supposed to, I think the corpse exploding in the same
I also thought that they put the tent on fire to get the "gods" coming, not as a way to suicide
which plot holes are you talking about?
ps: I hope you didn't forget to ask for a new id
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On November 28 2016 15:39 xDaunt wrote:
The point of the show isn't the plot. The point is the ongoing philosophical discussions that birth the plot. If you don't have the patience for that kind of thing, then the show isn't for you. I'm enjoying it quite a bit.
I don't think the show does a good job incorporating the philosophical questions into the narrative though. It's always kinda there but the central role quite clearly is the mystery.
Are there more "timelines"? What happened to Arnold? What is Dolores' role? Etc.
That are the questions the narrative focuses on, the interesting themes are rather a side product of the premise and mentioned here and there in dialogue but never really developed all that much i think. Which is quite disappointing to me.
Another problem i personally have is that i still don't really care for the characters in the park. Ford and Bernard are two of the only characters which are developed enough. The whole William + Dolores storyline doesn't work at all for me because it wasn't convincing how William behaved. Maeve's storyline would have been way more interesting as well if the writers didn't choose to go the lazy way.
People keep refering to LOST and i think that's pretty close to the feeling, but LOST did a way better job with its characters at the same time. Westworld has the premise and the production value. Oh and Hopkins, thank god it has Hopkins
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I want to know what happened to Elsie
Is she actually dead or not.
Cause this show is confusing sometimes.
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On November 29 2016 02:36 Kipsate wrote:
I want to know what happened to Elsie
Is she actually dead or not.
Cause this show is confusing sometimes.
She is most probably dead (Bernard seems to remember killing her) but what happened with Stubbs & the natives is pretty weird and it's possible that she somehow saved herself when Bernard tried to kill her. She discovered something and maybe she then knew that Bernard was a host and could order him to stop (and then maybe order the natives to kidnap Stubbs after she bait him to come)
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So every major theory got confirmed. Probably the last logical thing left to happen is to get Ford killed, assuming theres no chance in hell HBO managed to book Hopkins for more than a season.
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