EPT[TV] HBO's Westworld - Page 18
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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Scarecrow
Korea (South)9172 Posts
On November 22 2016 01:53 Hexe wrote: If you love Thrones and can manage to get past the first two eps of Outlander, that one rivals the HBO show in a lot of ways. It surprised me quite a bit. Just no. + Show Spoiler + Seriously Outlander is boring, romantic trite spiced up with herbalism knowledge and scottish abs, with constant, awfully written narration, that suddenly turns into a gratuitious episode long gay rape session of a lead character, who begins to enjoy it. Outlander is the worst show I've watched in years and its best parts barely rival Dorne. Westworld feels like Lost meets Dollhouse meets BSG... but it's starting to feel like Lost is the primary influence. | ||
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Swisslink
2954 Posts
On November 22 2016 11:11 farvacola wrote: I feel like I'm watching a different show than many in this thread....I thought this episode was just fine. Well, I met some people that liked episode 8 as well. They mainly said that they liked the Maeve storyline and just didn't care about the plotholes. That's totally fine. Still... if you question the storyline, everything just seems like a huge mess. We know that Ford controls everything. He even created Bernard to have even more control. And still: 1. Maeve wakes up when she shouldn't. Only Felix and Sylvester know about it. Ford? Doesn't know or just doesn't care. 2. Felix turns Maeve's intelligence level up. No one gives a fuck 3. Felix removes the "safety code"; no one gives a fuck. 4. Maeve almost kills Sylvester, still: no one gives a fuck. 5. Maeve threatens Felix and Sylvester. And they just do whatever she wants. They could have easily turned her dumb by now, but they'd rather let her kill them, probably. Sylvester wanted to turn her off anyway, why didn't he just tell someone about her? There has to be a huge reveal in the next two episodes to bring some logic into this storyline, because atm this entire mess seems really inconsistent compared to the rest of the series. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17609 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:49 Swisslink wrote: Well, I met some people that liked episode 8 as well. They mainly said that they liked the Maeve storyline and just didn't care about the plotholes. That's totally fine. I still... if you question the storyline everything just seems like a huge mess. We know that Ford controls everything. He even created Bernard to have even more control. And still: 1. Maeve wakes up when she shouldn't. Only Felix and Sylvester know about it. Ford? Doesn't know or just doesn't care. 2. Felix turns Maeve's intelligence level up. No one gives a fuck 3. Felix removes the "safety code"; no one gives a fuck. 4. Maeve almost kills Sylvester, still: no one gives a fuck. 5. Maeve threatens Felix and Sylvester. And they just do whatever she wants. They could have easily turned her dumb by now, but they'd rather let her kill them, probably. Sylvester wanted to turn her off anyway, why didn't he just tell someone about her? There has to be a huge reveal in the next two episodes to bring some logic into this storyline, because atm this entire mess seems really inconsistent compared to the rest of the series. Ford is the last man on earth and everyone else is a droid. You heard it here first. | ||
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CorsairHero
Canada9491 Posts
On November 22 2016 07:59 coverpunch wrote: Do you mean the character or the acting? I would say both, to be honest. probably both I just realized Leonardo Nam also played Morimoto in Tokyo Drift On November 23 2016 01:37 Manit0u wrote: Ford is the last man on earth and everyone else is a droid. You heard it here first. could Ford also be a droid? | ||
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sertas
Sweden889 Posts
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Yoav
United States1874 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:49 Swisslink wrote: Well, I met some people that liked episode 8 as well. They mainly said that they liked the Maeve storyline and just didn't care about the plotholes. That's totally fine. Still... if you question the storyline, everything just seems like a huge mess. We know that Ford controls everything. He even created Bernard to have even more control. And still: 1. Maeve wakes up when she shouldn't. Only Felix and Sylvester know about it. Ford? Doesn't know or just doesn't care. 2. Felix turns Maeve's intelligence level up. No one gives a fuck 3. Felix removes the "safety code"; no one gives a fuck. 4. Maeve almost kills Sylvester, still: no one gives a fuck. 5. Maeve threatens Felix and Sylvester. And they just do whatever she wants. They could have easily turned her dumb by now, but they'd rather let her kill them, probably. Sylvester wanted to turn her off anyway, why didn't he just tell someone about her? There has to be a huge reveal in the next two episodes to bring some logic into this storyline, because atm this entire mess seems really inconsistent compared to the rest of the series. My take on the objections: I. Why hasn't security caught the shenanigans? Maev has a patron. Either Arnold or Ford are allowing her to do what she's doing, though they're carefully concealing their involvement. Presumably this person is also making it easier for all this to go down without getting flagged in security protocols, but wants the participants in the little game to think they are responsible for the whole thing. Yes, security seems lax, but should have caught all this. It didn't, which suggests it was intentionally deceived, much as Arnold deceives the same systems regarding Theresa's death. II. Why are Felix and Sylvester so pliant? a. Felix is a shmuck who fell for Maev. b. Sylvester got in too deep too fast. Initially, he went along because of worrying that he would be exposed as a corpse pimp. (Well, the very first thing was Felix wanted to be protected, but his concern for his "friend" wore off quick) If he reported the problems with her, he'd be outed. If he fucked with her (made her dumb, etc.) this would be quickly noticed (it's easier to hide being smart than being dumb). Later, of course, he realizes the gravity of the situation and decides to "brick her." But this is a desperate, even stupid plan. It resolves Maev, but leaves him with a serious problem with management. He'd have to be a lot smarter than he's shown to be to pull it off and hide his action. He is basically stuck with dealing with the woke-up version of her every time she dies. III. But seriously, I could have figured this out. Me too. These two guys are vastly more cowardly and unimaginative than most people I associate with. But they seem to be more like Brave New World Gammas than normal folks. Which kinda matches up with the dystopian hint we got early on about vat breeding. I take it more as a hint of the dark nature of the outside world (related: they are SUPER afraid of getting fired) than a plothole. But to each their own. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17609 Posts
On November 23 2016 10:38 sertas wrote: Maybe ford was created by arnold and given memories by arnold too Could be pretty epic uprising by Maev, then they reach Ford who stops the world and gloats about his godlike powers and then Arnold comes along and smashes his dreams to bits and just reboots the system and we're back to opening scenes of ep. 1. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18187 Posts
On November 24 2016 02:03 Manit0u wrote: Could be pretty epic uprising by Maev, then they reach Ford who stops the world and gloats about his godlike powers and then Arnold comes along and smashes his dreams to bits and just reboots the system and we're back to opening scenes of ep. 1. That would be the one thing that could redeem Maeve's arc. I actually like Maeve as a character, but the storytelling in her arc is so hamfisted and stupid. Felix and Sylvester are literally Dumb and Dumber, and the collective rest of the cast has a blind spot. Also all the hallways are eternally empty when they walk around, in and out of restricted areas. And last episode also bolloxed up MIB's storyline with Teddy conveniently getting his memory back so he could truss up the MIB before getting shot in the face by the "damsel in distress". I'm actually hoping Wyatt´s storyline is the start of the maze, so he can kill humans, and he scalps MIB and nails him to a tree. The end. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
Although his storyline is tanking quite hard too, sigh. | ||
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Hexe
United States332 Posts
spoiler alert guys,+ Show Spoiler + ford put a real human as a host in the park. im not going to spoil who, but she is a really great actress. Mindblowing I know. "Youve been a human all along?" "Ever since I can remember..." | ||
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Koivusto
Finland542 Posts
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Manit0u
Poland17609 Posts
On November 24 2016 17:27 Koivusto wrote: As long as it's better than walking dead, I'm happy It's not hard to be better than WD... | ||
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GGTeMpLaR
United States7226 Posts
On November 23 2016 00:49 Swisslink wrote: Well, I met some people that liked episode 8 as well. They mainly said that they liked the Maeve storyline and just didn't care about the plotholes. That's totally fine. Still... if you question the storyline, everything just seems like a huge mess. We know that Ford controls everything. He even created Bernard to have even more control. And still: 1. Maeve wakes up when she shouldn't. Only Felix and Sylvester know about it. Ford? Doesn't know or just doesn't care. 2. Felix turns Maeve's intelligence level up. No one gives a fuck 3. Felix removes the "safety code"; no one gives a fuck. 4. Maeve almost kills Sylvester, still: no one gives a fuck. 5. Maeve threatens Felix and Sylvester. And they just do whatever she wants. They could have easily turned her dumb by now, but they'd rather let her kill them, probably. Sylvester wanted to turn her off anyway, why didn't he just tell someone about her? There has to be a huge reveal in the next two episodes to bring some logic into this storyline, because atm this entire mess seems really inconsistent compared to the rest of the series. 1 Isn't a plothole. It's very easily explained away by Arnold's hidden codes in the hosts 2 is a little harder to defend. There ought to be some sort of monitor that detects any changes or unusual settings on their personality values. However, a little suspension of disbelief can point to Felix having coded it away or hacked this automatic system so nothing appears unusual 3 again suspension of disbelief. He obviously didn't just remove the safety code but he changed something such that this change didn't set off the alarms you would think are in place to recognize any fault in the core programming 4 No one noticed but Felix. He clearly gave a fuck but he's just an idiot 5 Felix seems to have grown attached to her. Sylvester is probably just scared of consequences he would have to face himself if he were to whistleblow on this due to the fact that he is pretty much guilty by compliance for not immediately reporting Felix's 'transgressions' against corporate policy I'm not aware of any glaring plotholes people keep saying are all over the place. 8 was a decent episode | ||
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palexhur
Colombia730 Posts
On November 24 2016 23:27 GGTeMpLaR wrote: 1 Isn't a plothole. It's very easily explained away by Arnold's hidden codes in the hosts 2 is a little harder to defend. There ought to be some sort of monitor that detects any changes or unusual settings on their personality values. However, a little suspension of disbelief can point to Felix having coded it away or hacked this automatic system so nothing appears unusual 3 again suspension of disbelief. He obviously didn't just remove the safety code but he changed something such that this change didn't set off the alarms you would think are in place to recognize any fault in the core programming 4 No one noticed but Felix. He clearly gave a fuck but he's just an idiot 5 Felix seems to have grown attached to her. Sylvester is probably just scared of consequences he would have to face himself if he were to whistleblow on this due to the fact that he is pretty much guilty by compliance for not immediately reporting Felix's 'transgressions' against corporate policy I'm not aware of any glaring plotholes people keep saying are all over the place. 8 was a decent episode 5. It is just stupid plot, so he is more scared of the job consecuences than He is of a robot that tried to kill him?. There are not plot holes it is just that in order to develop the story they put like somebody said it already: dumb and dumber on the screen. | ||
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farvacola
United States18845 Posts
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
I think the series is totally set up for an AI revolt, but my insane wish would be the series ends with Maeve being sent to infiltrate a resistance group and kill its leader John Connor. It would be a reverse Matrix, where Maeve thinks she's free because she has developed free will but it is entirely by design to control her within mission parameters. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
And by the looks of the town is still buried in dolores+william time, this looks more and more like MiB is likely to be him...and the girl that showed up near the end, thats one of the faces i remember who guided william's first time entering WW. Yup. I thought Ford would replace Theresa with a fake body/host, it is just way too obvious now Ford killed her ffs. I hope the girl who was down there investigating the secret didnt die. And ya, come on, at this stage if nobody is going to do anything to the obvious abnormalities then it is just so dumb. | ||
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Acrofales
Spain18187 Posts
On November 27 2016 08:58 BurningSera wrote: yup, #7 reveal brought up the show abit, and #8 is absolutely shit. The fact that they use an asian actor on such role is pissing me off as well. This is 2016, 2017 is nearly there. I never understand why the need to keep shitting on asian stereotype like that. And by the looks of the town is still buried in dolores+william time, this looks more and more like MiB is likely to be him...and the girl that showed up near the end, thats one of the faces i remember who guided william's first time entering WW. Yup. I thought Ford would replace Theresa with a fake body/host, it is just way too obvious now Ford killed her ffs. I hope the girl who was down there investigating the secret didnt die. And ya, come on, at this stage if nobody is going to do anything to the obvious abnormalities then it is just so dumb. I'm not sure. While it was made very obvious that MIB and William are in different times, MIB filling us in on his back story doesn't seem to jibe with William, unless the reveal is something that changes William from white-hat to black-hat before he even marries. Because what MIB said is that he was basically evil (at least, his wife and daughter so that in him) but didn't realize it himself (until he went and murdered Maeve's daughter). Moreover, it seems like William should know a little bit about the maze, because Dolores is following it. And MIB said he only learned about the maze's existence from Maeve. | ||
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coverpunch
United States2093 Posts
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