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On May 02 2014 09:00 ETisME wrote:
I am more annoyed at how other kages from other villages completely pale against hokage for no apparent reason and they only really excel in their village element such as sand
I don't know, I feel like Mu and prime Onoki could mop the floor with every hokage except Hashirama and Tobirama.
On May 02 2014 04:44 shark. wrote:
Minato hasn't nearly been thrown under the bus as hard as the 3rd. Hiruzan deservers better than this.
Well he is responsible for allowing Orochimaru to run AND allowing Danzo to be Hitler. These 2 people fucked up the ninja world the most(except Madara) and it's all because Hiruzen was a weak leader. Hashirama and Tobirama wouldn't have allowed this shit to happen.
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On May 02 2014 09:00 ETisME wrote:
I am more annoyed at how other kages from other villages completely pale against hokage for no apparent reason and they only really excel in their village element such as sand
now why do you say this? let's take for example the real world as an analogy. you have countries like america, with probably the most firepower (arguably) and diversity and then you have countries like north korea, (a joke) north korea pales in comparison to america.
this might fill in why the hokage outshines the other leaders if he is in a prosperous environment that allows for so. the other leaders value only their own attribute and shun outsiders or abilities not similar to their own, whereas the leaf was founded based on an acceptance of both the uchiha and uzumaki both tying back to the origin of the sage of the 6 path's power. but this was only the foundation it was then flourished into acceptance of basically all clans vs other countries not doing so.
we could go deep into this but if you want a simple answer, who gives a fuck? the author clearly based the story around the main character and the environment the best / diverse environment that prospered him, you're asking too much from a shonen manga. he cannot and will not put as much thought into the character development of the other countries that protagonist isn't residing in.
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On May 02 2014 09:27 Zane wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 09:00 ETisME wrote:
I am more annoyed at how other kages from other villages completely pale against hokage for no apparent reason and they only really excel in their village element such as sand I don't know, I feel like Mu and prime Onoki could mop the floor with every hokage except Hashirama and Tobirama. Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 04:44 shark. wrote:
Minato hasn't nearly been thrown under the bus as hard as the 3rd. Hiruzan deservers better than this. Well he is responsible for allowing Orochimaru to run AND allowing Danzo to be Hitler. These 2 people fucked up the ninja world the most(except Madara) and it's all because Hiruzen was a weak leader. Hashirama and Tobirama wouldn't have allowed this shit to happen.
Nah I feel like Minato is just too fast. Yea Onoki can fly but Minato could just throw a kunai and FTG to it.
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On April 26 2014 07:11 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On April 26 2014 06:59 Shadowcloak wrote:On April 26 2014 05:00 NewSunshine wrote:On April 26 2014 04:43 Lokian wrote:
best arc for me. don't think the author is going too out of hand, seems to fit in the general sense. then u have people come in with technicalities. whatever, just enjoy the manga while it lasts. it seems like its almost the end anyways. I think people are getting too involved. Instead of kicking back and enjoying the fight between Naruto, Sasuke and Madara, which so far looks awesome, they decide to pick nits about eye transplants, or simply label stuff as an asspull, or an ohlooknewpoweruplol. Learn to enjoy stuff people. Well that you can treat this as your guilty pleasure does not mean others have that same opinion. I expect a certain quality plotwise. However kishi has progressively butchered naruto more and more. Seems he has a severe case of fanserviritus a disease common among shonens that stay around 2 long. I don't agree, I think the story has held up remarkably well, given its length. Bleach has degraded far harder, and much more quickly, which was inevitable given how the series started off. People may not like certain details, like how the 4th Hokage has basically just been a clod since revived, or how eyes have been changing heads throughout, but then people complain about stuff like random powerups and I begin to realize I shouldn't be paying attention to those people. For powerups in particular, it's not random if it was so clearly foreshadowed you could see it coming a year off, like with Naruto, Madara, and to some extent Sasuke, and people in general are getting hung up on the silliest things, like Guy's power after unlocking all 8 gates, he was a plot device to stall for time, who gives a shit. It's not like there's any inconsistencies in what people are complaining about, it's just that it didn't go quite the way they thought it would, so now they're going to poke holes in it. I like theorizing about the things that go down as much as the next guy, but getting offended or upset over minute details destroys your ability to enjoy this series, which is a shame now that it's drawing to its end. The story overall is really very good, and it's come a long way, so I don't see why someone would do that to themselves.
I agree with Shadowcloak. Since the beginning of the time skip and especially during the war ark, there have been more and more writing errors, out-of-character-acting and asspulls. You can clearly see that kishi wanted the end he is writing now for quite some time, but to get there he has made a lot of mistakes.
That being said i thought the last chapter was overall relatively good. I am expecting a hard nerf/explanation for sasukes eye technique, cause Sasuke is way to op atm teleporting Madara into his and Naruto's attack, but aside from the facts that the eye-exchange was way to fast (you cant plug someone's eye out at full speed and expect it to work afterwards) and Madara's regenerative abilities and immunity to pain are really over the top, the chapter was fine.
I dont agree to the trash talk surrounding the 4th, i think he did fine, there have just been a lot of people who thought that he was invincible and perfect and to everyone's surprise he isnt.
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round.
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On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round.
Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu.
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On May 02 2014 13:18 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round. Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu.
eyeless Susano'o only doesnt makes sense if you assume every Uchiha ability can only be used with eyes
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On May 02 2014 13:19 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 13:18 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round. Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu. eyeless Susano'o only doesnt makes sense if you assume every Uchiha ability can only be used with eyes
I remember they implied each ability was connected to an eye, Amaterasu had left, Tsukuyomi had right, or maybe vice-versa, and Susano'o used both. And it doesn't make sense, it's a Mangekyou Sharingan ability, a Doujutsu, that kinda needs the proper eyes.
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On May 02 2014 13:29 NewSunshine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On May 02 2014 13:18 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round. Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu. eyeless Susano'o only doesnt makes sense if you assume every Uchiha ability can only be used with eyes I remember they implied each ability was connected to an eye, Amaterasu had left, Tsukuyomi had right, or maybe vice-versa, and Susano'o used both. And it doesn't make sense, it's a Mangekyou Sharingan ability, a Doujutsu, that kinda needs the proper eyes.
Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, Izanagi and Izanami need an eye in some way either sacrificing it, eye contact or to target it
but Susano'o is just a construct made of Chakra
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On May 02 2014 13:54 Forikorder wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 13:29 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On May 02 2014 13:18 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round. Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu. eyeless Susano'o only doesnt makes sense if you assume every Uchiha ability can only be used with eyes I remember they implied each ability was connected to an eye, Amaterasu had left, Tsukuyomi had right, or maybe vice-versa, and Susano'o used both. And it doesn't make sense, it's a Mangekyou Sharingan ability, a Doujutsu, that kinda needs the proper eyes. Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, Izanagi and Izanami need an eye in some way either sacrificing it, eye contact or to target it but Susano'o is just a construct made of Chakra
So a non-Uchiha could learn Susano'o? How about an Uchiha without Mangekyou Sharingan? I suggest you re-read the manga when Obito talks about Susano'o. He clearly states "A Sharingan that can activate Susano'o is a rarity. I wouldn't want a nice pair of eyes like that to slip through my fingers" (emphasis mine). Source
It's clear Kishi originally intended Susano'o to be an eye activated ability. If he switched it later then that's a mistake.
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On May 02 2014 21:09 LaughingTulkas wrote:Show nested quote +On May 02 2014 13:54 Forikorder wrote:On May 02 2014 13:29 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 13:19 Forikorder wrote:On May 02 2014 13:18 NewSunshine wrote:On May 02 2014 10:59 Blackfeather wrote:
Still the ability to transmit the entire half of the nine-tails faster than he and everybody else could react was quite the asspull, as well as susano'o w/o eyes, ninetails and all the bijuus doing a 180, Sasuke not using susano'o a single time against Madara (Sasuke not spamming susano'o is about as out of character as it gets), Madara's revival creating a body in his prime, Madara's revival unsealing him, Gai surviving 8 gates and Obito taking some of the bijuus from Madara with a punch. Tobi (Obito) has been out of character since the moment he dropped the mask, or the other way round. Faster than who could react? When he tried giving his half to Naruto Zetsu intercepted him. The Susano'o without eyes I will concede, it doesn't make much sense. As for being in his prime, everyone has been revived in more or less their most powerful state, except maybe the 3rd, and Madara specifically had his body altered to be even more powerful, so I dunno why he would stick out for making that point, it should be clear why he's like that. And what "unsealing" are you talking about? I feel you're misremembering certain details. Guy surviving is only questionable in terms of whether he should be alive or not for the story, the power Naruto used to do that was fine. The power of the Six Paths has been shown to give, restore, and/or prolong life, this wasn't any different. Similarly, Obito using the Rinnegan to access Madara's chakra and do a tug-of-war type thing, absorbing chakra is another power of the Rinnegan, it's only an asspull if you weren't paying attention. Obito's character was fine. The mask was more than a literal one, mind you, and there was a lot of what people mockingly call talk-no-justu. eyeless Susano'o only doesnt makes sense if you assume every Uchiha ability can only be used with eyes I remember they implied each ability was connected to an eye, Amaterasu had left, Tsukuyomi had right, or maybe vice-versa, and Susano'o used both. And it doesn't make sense, it's a Mangekyou Sharingan ability, a Doujutsu, that kinda needs the proper eyes. Amaterasu, Tsukyomi, Izanagi and Izanami need an eye in some way either sacrificing it, eye contact or to target it but Susano'o is just a construct made of Chakra So a non-Uchiha could learn Susano'o? How about an Uchiha without Mangekyou Sharingan? I suggest you re-read the manga when Obito talks about Susano'o. He clearly states "A Sharingan that can activate Susano'o is a rarity. I wouldn't want a nice pair of eyes like that to slip through my fingers" (emphasis mine). SourceIt's clear Kishi originally intended Susano'o to be an eye activated ability. If he switched it later then that's a mistake.
if a non-uchiha had the same Chakra as an uchiha and same wierd brain then yes like how yamamoto can use wood techniques
the eyes are jsut a visual representation of how much there chakra has evolved
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On May 02 2014 04:44 shark. wrote:
Minato hasn't nearly been thrown under the bus as hard as the 3rd. Hiruzan deservers better than this.
Speaking of which, has any other ninja done all 5 elements at once, or is Sarutobi the only one at this point?
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I just had to reply.
If someone in Narutoverse had the same condition as an uchiha with how their "powers" work, doesn't that make them as uchiha. It is essentially exclusive to their bloodline, because if that were to happen, other ninjas would have pulled a Susanoo, especially the top tier guys and the Kages. But we haven't seen nor have been told they could do it except for the Uchiha clan.
I still don't think Susanoo can be executed without a shiragan because why would you need their eyes to "activate" when you use it if its not at all connected.
So that was a mistake that I think needed to be done after Kishi ended up forcing the story into a corner.
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+ Show Spoiler +who's aizen again?
and instead of snatching bells, they'll be snatching eyes this time?
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LOL that exactly what I was thinking when I read this. I was like, "Huh.....I feel like I've seen this happen some where befo.....OH MY GOD!" + Show Spoiler +Some how this was a bit more believable since Madara was able to take hold of Obito and while nursing him to health, he was able to learn about Obito past and personality. This allowed him to formulate a plan and corrupt Obito by probably having Zetsu scout out who Rin, Kakashi and the 4th. Then he just had to listen to Zetsu to wait for the perfect opportunity.
Regarding Aizen
+ Show Spoiler +Edit: Aizen is a Bleach character and was the main protagonist for a large majority of the anime. At the climax of the battle, he basically came out and admit that everything single TINY bit that happened in Bleach was all according to his plan. But the fact that he commonly get referenced a lot as a joke is because every thing that happenned in Bleach was so ridiculously and impossible to predict that it basically one of the most obvious and stupid retcon ever created. Also a good reason why the manga getting canceled :p
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ah so the mystery around Rin was solved.... was pretty obvious that she wasn't a rogue nin/mist spy and that Madara set it up to trick Obito but you can never be too sure until it is said in the manga itself.
e: kyaaaa Team 7 reuinion once again <3
e2: lol at Naruto, medical nins hate him.
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Oh dem feels (team7!), however Kishimoto went overboard by making Madara literally Aizen
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It's not literally Aizen.
Aizen would also have exactly planned the birth of Naruto, Sasuke and Sakuraand how their lives turn out. At least up to the point that Sasuke would eventually leave the village after fighting Naruto.
Aizen level of retcon master planning will hopefully never happen again.
I still remember that there were like 3 different version of Ichigo's mother dying throughout the story.
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Sakura fails. Again.
And now she's even been utterly outclassed at healing, Naruto got Jesus no Jutsu ><
Kishi plz
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sakura confirmed for lowest tier useless character ever created. jesus-tier naruto curing the blind since 0 ad.
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