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[Manga] Tokyo Ghoul - Page 9
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Technique
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 01 2015 19:46 Technique wrote: Why are wares allowed on TL anyway? You can just buy these books in English, so... I guess you mean the scan link ? Well because there is usually months/years between weekly releases, japaneses volume and then translated volume. A volume of weekly releases of 20p is 9 chapters, meaning at least 10 weeks from the 1st chapter release to the volume being avaible in japanese. Then you have to translate it. So yeah, probably years. And tbf, scanlation is what make manga profitable oversea, would you have known about Tokyo Ghoul if not for weekly scan ? Same with a lot of mangas. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On December 01 2015 20:11 Faust852 wrote: I guess you mean the scan link ? Well because there is usually months/years between weekly releases, japaneses volume and then translated volume. A volume of weekly releases of 20p is 9 chapters, meaning at least 10 weeks from the 1st chapter release to the volume being avaible in japanese. Then you have to translate it. So yeah, probably years. And tbf, scanlation is what make manga profitable oversea, would you have known about Tokyo Ghoul if not for weekly scan ? Same with a lot of mangas. Ye of course I would... I go to my local comic shop for anything I read. I never read these scans, the topic title just caught my eye is all. Also the wait is not a valid reason really... they don't owe you anything. And if more people actually bought their mangas (crazy idea right?), the translations would come quicker as well and probably more series would get picked up. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 01 2015 20:18 Technique wrote: Ye of course I would... I go to my local comic shop for anything I read. I never read these scans, the topic title just caught my eye is all. Also the wait is not a valid reason really... they don't owe you anything. And if more people actually bought their mangas (crazy idea right?), the translations would come quicker as well and probably more series would get picked up. Even if the translation would come quicker, it still won't come after months from the first chapter of a volume. And anecdotic story aren't evidence of anything. It's not because you like to roam in a comic shop in your past time that everyone does. Most of the people just discover manga on scanlation websites, become found of it, and then start their collections by buying physical volume. Why do you think website like Batoto, Mangareader and other popular scanlation website are still there after years ? It's because it is actually profitable for most publisher. Another argument in favor of these websites is that it produces a really great community around mangas. Even here, each week there is dozens of posts about the last release of a chapter. These community is what make manga popular outside of japan. Btw, if you don't read some scan, you miss really good manga that aren't yet translated, like Kingdom. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On December 01 2015 20:59 Faust852 wrote: Even if the translation would come quicker, it still won't come after months from the first chapter of a volume. And? I read a lot of French comics, I am months behind their release often as well. Why would this bother me? Am I going to steal a book and translate it myself so I can read it earlier? No, of course not. That's effectively what this weird manga community does/demands though. On December 01 2015 20:59 Faust852 wrote: And anecdotic story aren't evidence of anything. It's not because you like to roam in a comic shop in your past time that everyone does. Most of the people just discover manga on scanlation websites, become found of it, and then start their collections by buying physical volume. You don't have to go to a comic shop, you can order anything online as well (or even digital versions for some). And if you bought a tpb you could talk about it as well... just look at the many forums for American/French comics. Also I bet none of the guys in this topic spent a dime on Tokyo Ghoul tbh... On December 01 2015 20:59 Faust852 wrote: Why do you think website like Batoto, Mangareader and other popular scanlation website are still there after years ? It's because it is actually profitable for most publisher. Pirating is never easy to stop, that's why. They tried several times (and still do). http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/viz-media-issues-response-to-digital-piracy-arrests/ “Digital piracy is a crime that steals what others have worked so hard to create,” according to the statement. “Viz Media actively supports manga creators and manga fan culture, and is committed to making the highest possible quality content available to a global audience through licensed channels.” On December 01 2015 20:59 Faust852 wrote: Another argument in favor of these websites is that it produces a really great community around mangas. Even here, each week there is dozens of posts about the last release of a chapter. These community is what make manga popular outside of japan. Btw, if you don't read some scan, you miss really good manga that aren't yet translated, like Kingdom. That's not an argument to get it for free, there are active communities around American and French comics as well. Who you know... actually pay for their comics/strips. Also I have too much to read anyway, manga is on the bottom tier of that. So I won't really miss anything and it will most likely be translated at some point anyway. | ||
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Archeon
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On December 01 2015 21:38 Technique wrote: And? I read a lot of French comics, I am months behind their release often as well. Why would this bother me? Am I going to steal a book and translate it myself so I can read it earlier? No, of course not. That's effectively what this weird manga community does/demands though. You don't have to go to a comic shop, you can order anything online as well (or even digital versions for some). And if you bought a tpb you could talk about it as well... just look at the many forums for American/French comics. Also I bet none of the guys in this topic spent a dime on Tokyo Ghoul tbh... Pirating is never easy to stop, that's why. They tried several times (and still do). http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/viz-media-issues-response-to-digital-piracy-arrests/ “Digital piracy is a crime that steals what others have worked so hard to create,” according to the statement. “Viz Media actively supports manga creators and manga fan culture, and is committed to making the highest possible quality content available to a global audience through licensed channels.” That's not an argument to get it for free, there are active communities around American and French comics as well. Who you know... actually pay for their comics/strips. Also I have too much to read anyway, manga is on the bottom tier of that. So I won't really miss anything and it will most likely be translated at some point anyway. Except for the fact that I'd have to import them, because the German manga market is terrible and the translations often are cringeworthy. Manga shops in Germany? Only in major cities and only one or two per city. Suddenly I have to drive an hour to look for a story that I might like, in order to then import it from the English market. The only reason I have ever started becoming interested in the Asian scene in the first place is because I didnt want to wait for the daily badly translated cut-for-children release of Naruto and found it readable (which I prefer over watching anyways) in the internet. The only reason I've ever bought a manga volume is because I knew deathnote from mangafox. And saying that scanlations aren't profitable for the producers is pretty ridiculous. The scene is by large still a niche product, so any advertisement is good. Because most of the people who would invest money into Japanese comics (at max ~10% of the European population) wouldn't know about it in the first place, if it wasn't pretty popular in the internet. It's literally the same discussion we have about non-mainstream music on youtube. I know a lot of non-mainstream-label's who upload their entire albums, because they know that that's their best shot at people buying them. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 01 2015 21:38 Technique wrote: And? I read a lot of French comics, I am months behind their release often as well. Why would this bother me? Am I going to steal a book and translate it myself so I can read it earlier? No, of course not. That's effectively what this weird manga community does/demands though. You don't have to go to a comic shop, you can order anything online as well (or even digital versions for some). And if you bought a tpb you could talk about it as well... just look at the many forums for American/French comics. Also I bet none of the guys in this topic spent a dime on Tokyo Ghoul tbh... Pirating is never easy to stop, that's why. They tried several times (and still do). http://robot6.comicbookresources.com/2015/11/viz-media-issues-response-to-digital-piracy-arrests/ “Digital piracy is a crime that steals what others have worked so hard to create,” according to the statement. “Viz Media actively supports manga creators and manga fan culture, and is committed to making the highest possible quality content available to a global audience through licensed channels.” That's not an argument to get it for free, there are active communities around American and French comics as well. Who you know... actually pay for their comics/strips. Also I have too much to read anyway, manga is on the bottom tier of that. So I won't really miss anything and it will most likely be translated at some point anyway. Well, your link about piracy is not really related, it is about people selling raw before the official release, meaning people would get ahold of the content, before the people who pay for the Jump weekly. It's more like when Sony Pictures got hacked and some of their movies were available on the internet before it was on theater, not the same thing at all. Good lcuk finding community of people talking about 1yo chapter release too. Btw, there isn't much comics scanlation website, like I never found one though. And what did it do ? It made me not readining any comics because I won't bother buying thing if I don't know if it is any good for my taste. While I hold a quite neat manga collection, and all of them I had read before. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On December 01 2015 23:35 Blackfeather wrote: Except for the fact that I'd have to import them, because the German manga market is terrible and the translations often are cringeworthy. Manga shops in Germany? Only in major cities and only one or two per city. Suddenly I have to drive an hour to look for a story that I might like, in order to then import it from the English market. The only reason I have ever started becoming interested in the Asian scene in the first place is because I didnt want to wait for the daily badly translated cut-for-children release of Naruto and found it readable (which I prefer over watching anyways) in the internet. The only reason I've ever bought a manga volume is because I knew deathnote from mangafox. ''import'' it as in buy it from one of the many European sites with little to no shipping cost? Oh the horror... German amazon free shipment? lol It's just the entitlement... if they don't release translated versions at the exact same time it's released in Japan that's already reason enough to pirate it. On December 01 2015 23:35 Blackfeather wrote: And saying that scanlations aren't profitable for the producers is pretty ridiculous. The scene is by large still a niche product, so any advertisement is good. Because most of the people who would invest money into Japanese comics (at max ~10% of the European population) wouldn't know about it in the first place, if it wasn't pretty popular in the internet. Oh the whole piracy is not bad because advertisement... Advertisement for what exactly? Like this topic? Advertising to go read it for free? :D There is a reason Japan introduced an anti piracy law last year. On December 02 2015 01:53 Faust852 wrote: Well, your link about piracy is not really related, it is about people selling raw before the official release, meaning people would get ahold of the content, before the people who pay for the Jump weekly. It's more like when Sony Pictures got hacked and some of their movies were available on the internet before it was on theater, not the same thing at all. Good lcuk finding community of people talking about 1yo chapter release too. Btw, there isn't much comics scanlation website, like I never found one though. And what did it do ? It made me not readining any comics because I won't bother buying thing if I don't know if it is any good for my taste. While I hold a quite neat manga collection, and all of them I had read before. So you are one of those people who also pirates games before buying it? Pirates movies before buying them? Pirates music before buying them? Sure :-). It's ok, you want it for free, but don't kid yourself. | ||
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Dangermousecatdog
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 02 2015 02:24 Technique wrote: ''import'' it as in buy it from one of the many European sites with little to no shipping cost? Oh the horror... German amazon free shipment? lol It's just the entitlement... if they don't release translated versions at the exact same time it's released in Japan that's already reason enough to pirate it. Oh the whole piracy is not bad because advertisement... Advertisement for what exactly? Like this topic? Advertising to go read it for free? :D There is a reason Japan introduced an anti piracy law last year. So you are one of those people who also pirates games before buying it? Pirates movies before buying them? Pirates music before buying them? Sure :-). It's ok, you want it for free, but don't kid yourself. The difference between pirating a movie or music, is that it's absolutly not the same commitment. For the movie, you might be able to access it for free sometimes in the television, or even losing 6-7€ in the theater isn't as bad since it's a one time commitment. For music, ofc I wouldn't buy an album of an unknown artist before listing it up on SoundCloud or Youtube or whatever. Have you ever roamed in a disk store, and picking a random album for a random band just for the sake of it ? lol. You can relate it more to series, where some series have the huge success they get only because of pirating. Game of Thrones in huge around the world, but do you really think people in France, or Italy are going to wait for a shitty translation on a shitty time on a shitty television ? Of course not ! They will pirate the episode each week. Did it affected GoT badly ? Fucking not, on the contrary, it made it so popular the book sells exploded, and the goodies related to it too, even the DVD and Blue Ray sells sore like hell because of it. I wont commit to buy 80 volumes of One Piece if I don't know what I'm reading before hand. And don't say "just buy the first and make your opinion" because One Piece is fucking shit for like 10 volumes at least. Long manga aren't good enough in the first chapter to be worth the risk. Now, you could say that you just need to read review on the internet. But guess what, who is doing these review ? Well fuck yeah, people who read the scans, not some random dude who go to his random comic score to buy some random manga clueless about what he is reading. On December 02 2015 02:32 Dangermousecatdog wrote: The reasons you guys have given for pirating is understandable, but ultimately, they aren't justifiable. Don't pretend that it is justified, just because you have to wait for paid translations, or travel into another city, or want to be part of an online community, or horrors of all horrors pay. Fact is, piracy isn't theft, and in more than one occasion it helps the media more than it has a negative effect on it, the main reason being that someone who pirate wouldn't have bought the media in anycase if it wasn't accessible for free. | ||
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Technique
Netherlands1542 Posts
On December 02 2015 02:58 Faust852 wrote: You can relate it more to series, where some series have the huge success they get only because of pirating. Game of Thrones in huge around the world, but do you really think people in France, or Italy are going to wait for a shitty translation on a shitty time on a shitty television ? Of course not ! They will pirate the episode each week. Did it affected GoT badly ? Fucking not, on the contrary, it made it so popular the book sells exploded, and the goodies related to it too, even the DVD and Blue Ray sells sore like hell because of it. Game of Thrones probably did get more hyped because of piracy. But now that hype is being turned into hbo subscriptions all around the world. If people ignore that and just keep pirating it instead... sure as hell it will hurt them. Same with the Manga/Anime business. They are trying to bring it to the world in a legit way and for the English language there are a few good publishers for quite some time already (like Viz Media). And a bunch of subscription programs (though I'm not into digital, so not sure exactly). So if people ignore those and just keep on pirating it... yeah it will never grow and these talented manga writers/artists will never make the money they really should be making... because so many people enjoying their product are not actually paying for it. http://aramajapan.com/news/otaku/anime/japanese-government-launches-manga-anime-guardians-anti-piracy-project/4736/ http://manga-anime-here.com/guardians | ||
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Archeon
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On December 02 2015 02:24 Technique wrote: ''import'' it as in buy it from one of the many European sites with little to no shipping cost? Oh the horror... German amazon free shipment? lol It's just the entitlement... if they don't release translated versions at the exact same time it's released in Japan that's already reason enough to pirate it. indeed, I don't have a paypal, so it is a trip to the bank. Not the end of the world, but inconvenient. As mentioned before, the work is looking for a story I like, not for actually getting it. Pirating minimizes that and ofc the expenses for that. And as stated before, pretty much everyone I know who bought mangas knows them from the internet. Without the entire pirating they wouldn't have bought any. On December 02 2015 02:24 Technique wrote: Very funny. Obviously for spending money on stuff that's related to the series you like. There are people who like things so much that they spend money to have them in their hands actually. Happened also to a friend of mine who watched the first bleach arc and just bought the mangas (until the entire Aizen thing went out of hand). I'd argue that there are a lot more people like that than than people who blindly buy stuff without knowing if it's good. Which is what you seem to think people should do instead.Oh the whole piracy is not bad because advertisement... Advertisement for what exactly? Like this topic? Advertising to go read it for free? :D There is a reason Japan introduced an anti piracy law last year. The only reason I've ever bought a Naruto game f.e. is because I read it on a site that pirates it. The German anime version is abysmally translated and heavily censored ("Itachi made his clan disappear") and was just barely good enough to get me interested, despite Naruto pre timeskip being one of my favorite series. On December 02 2015 02:24 Technique wrote: So you are one of those people who also pirates games before buying it? Pirates movies before buying them? Pirates music before buying them? Sure :-). It's ok, you want it for free, but don't kid yourself. I dont pirate games, because they are mainstream and even the non-mainstream titles get thousands of reviews. I buy them when they are drastically reduced and I'm interested enough thanks the reviews and screenshots and videos. How exactly does this translate to the manga scene? How exactly do mangas get any of that exposure where I'm living? I rarely ever watch movies. I buy them if I watch them in television (for free) and thought they were great. I seriously think that if I pirated them more, I would buy more, because I would find more I like and the prices are a lot more affordable than f.e. buying manga volumes. I "pirate" all my music, I don't ever buy anything I haven't listened to (f.e. on youtube). I think I pretty much listened to every single one of my albums before I bought it, and I have a shelf full of albums. My taste is pretty far from the mainstream taste and I am sure I would have given up on music if it wasn't for youtube and pirating. So yeah I can safely say that in terms of mangas and music, pirating has created a customer where normally there wouldn't be any. I'd call that advertisement. | ||
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Faust852
Luxembourg4004 Posts
On December 02 2015 04:37 Technique wrote: Game of Thrones probably did get more hyped because of piracy. But now that hype is being turned into hbo subscriptions all around the world. If people ignore that and just keep pirating it instead... sure as hell it will hurt them. So if people ignore those and just keep on pirating it... yeah it will never grow and these talented manga writers/artists will never make the money they really should be making... because so many people enjoying their product are not actually paying for it.* How does that hurt them ? Like if they weren't watching before, it helps, but if they continue to watch now it is detrimental? How so, it's not like it prevents other people to access the media. 1000 people know about a media these 1000 people is buying it. Now Piracy arrive and the media become 10x more popular, now : 10000 people know about a media and only 2000 people are buying it, the first 1000 from before, and 1000 other who discovered it via piracy. The media is getting twice as much revenue and is become 10times more popular, getting it to get more succes in a ear-to-ear kind of way. Would I be watching Game of Thrones, The Walking Dead or any other show if there wasn't piracy ? Fuck no ! You cant get Netflix or HBO on here, and the translated show on TV is puke-inducting + I can't watch when I decide to. But without pirating the Walking Dead, I wouldn't have buy the TellTale game or the comics because how would I know ? Same thing for GoT, I didn't know about it because it's mainly popular in US but less in my region. Now I bought all the novel because I wanted to know more. Going through a book shop and seeing Tokyo Ghoul ? Well, I open the first pages and all I see is blood, gore and a drawing is too rough for me, I definitly would not have buy it. Now that I read it on the internet ? I have all the first season collection on my shelf, :RE in its way. You can say that for everything. So yeah, piracy is almost always a good thing because it spreads the popularity of a media, and people who pirate wouldn't have buy it anyway if they still don't buy it now. | ||
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Reaper9
United States1724 Posts
On topic, wow, this chapter. Now this is the Tokyo Ghoul we all know. | ||
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
death  + Show Spoiler + didnt even know how he was injured though rofl | ||
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Archeon
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On December 03 2015 09:44 BurningSera wrote: ouch ouch ouch #RE:55 brutal + Show Spoiler + death + Show Spoiler + didnt even know how he was injured though rofl Yeah me neither. The fights were a bit easier to understand before re. | ||
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FruitsPunchSamurai
United Kingdom87 Posts
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Faust852
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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
NOM NOM NOM that fight didnt last that long.... | ||
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RuskiPanda
United States2906 Posts
On December 07 2015 08:51 BurningSera wrote: wtf whats going on, #56 is out?? NOM NOM NOM that fight didnt last that long.... Mangastream picked it up so it'll probably come out a lot earlier now. Guess kaneki's gonna get full kakuja now from that feast. | ||
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