EPT"Im putting 2 fingers up to the world in this album, its going be unheard style of music" blahblahblah and everyone goes out to buy it due to thinking "i wonder what it is going to sound like?"
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
"Im putting 2 fingers up to the world in this album, its going be unheard style of music" blahblahblah and everyone goes out to buy it due to thinking "i wonder what it is going to sound like?" | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
so either the album is commercial and is therefore bad, or non commercial and therefore commercial through the back door? He didn't do any of the (perfectly fine and normal) promo you talked about, didn't put out a poppy single, and made the album weird and inaccessible compared to mainstream hip hop. Its fine to not like the album, but to complain about it being commercial just boggles my mind. | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Hell i know most people didn't even know some of Tupacs album existed until the guy was killed. Im not complaining and i probably am wrong, but its my opinion that the reason Rap/HipHop is not as good as it was back in the 90s or early 00s is due to it all being to commercialized. Labels having way to much influence on what is being produced and how it gets produced. Too many people jumping on easy rides with how it should sound etc. Might just be my specific taste though. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Ahh well, we always have our CD and Cassette collections of old school stuff to listen to <3 | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
speaking of i need some AZ in my life | ||
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
PS, your step dad sounds hella cool! Even though im thankful for my dad introducing me to Meat Loaf and BonJovi as a child growing up, i would of loved it if he understood rap >.< | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
Feel good + Show Spoiler + Underground + Show Spoiler + Awesome sample + Show Spoiler + Sheer verse + Show Spoiler + For fans of early eminem + Show Spoiler + | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
Rap is promoted more now not only cause of the Internet but also because its a much bigger thing. It has nothing to do with rappers being more inclined to sell out, some rappers back then might be inclined to try to get more out there too if they had the opportunity. | ||
Liquid`Jinro
Sweden33719 Posts
On October 17 2013 22:15 Pandemona wrote: Not commercial complaining, complaining about the genre is commercial. It didn't used to be did it. To know rap you used to have know about the underground stations on the radio or even literally word of mouth. Hell i know most people didn't even know some of Tupacs album existed until the guy was killed. Im not complaining and i probably am wrong, but its my opinion that the reason Rap/HipHop is not as good as it was back in the 90s or early 00s is due to it all being to commercialized. Labels having way to much influence on what is being produced and how it gets produced. Too many people jumping on easy rides with how it should sound etc. Might just be my specific taste though. There's an insane amount of underground talent today too... the only difference is that some of them breakthrough to the mainstream. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
pining for the 'old days' is simply delusional and hoping that artists recreate that phase in time is much more so, no matter how great the music is. | ||
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Targe
United Kingdom14103 Posts
On October 18 2013 01:12 Liquid`Jinro wrote: There's an insane amount of underground talent today too... the only difference is that some of them breakthrough to the mainstream. Mhmm I can't agree more with this. | ||
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On October 17 2013 22:20 Juliette wrote: the world is changing friend. globalism and the internet making everything more interconnected kills a lot of the community sense of a lot of interests. hip hop isn't the only thing it's done this to. but it's silly to dwell. there's still good hip hop out there I'd say the internet has done wonders for hip hop. On datpiff there is a gigantic selection of mixtapes released for free by plenty of up and coming artists. Joey Bada$$-1991 is there for free, so is LIVE.LOVE.A$AP and then there are mixtapes by Kendrick Lamar, Cassie Veggies, Action Bronson and loads more good rappers. I wasn't old enough to get myself dressed during the golden age of rap so I can't speak from experience but I think less has changed than people realise. Labels have always had control over what music gets put out, even when Biggie made Ready to Die, P Diddy wanted him to make commercial songs that sell. That's why Juicy and Big Poppa exist. Labels are always going to put out what sells, it's up to the artists what sort of music they make, but they might not have a record deal if they don't do what the label wants. Guys like Kanye have more creative control because the record label needs him a lot more than they need some up and coming talent. Honestly without the internet most people here wouldn't know about a lot of great rappers. I doubt many Europeans had heard of Big L or Big Pun in the 90s. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
There's more great rap out right now then ever before, and while there is definitely studio influence on stuff, there are more ways to circumvent now, and artists making great music completely out of that system, and artists making great music inside of it | ||
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JonGalt
Pootie too good!4331 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51489 Posts
Rap/Hip Hop in the 90s early 00s vs what we have now and the reason for what we have now. Is my point YouTube of course is great for rappers to get there content out there from the underground scene, it is good i always use it for up and coming British rap, but thats not what i mean by commercilization. Its the producers/record labels forcing ideas and making people go a certain way. Hell you even hear rappers say it on tracks about how people get pushed one way and are sell outs etcetc. Back in the 90s it was just like a standard awesome beat and awesome rap, with people bringing new stuff to the scene all the time. I just don't feel anything from the people in the scene at the moment. We have Jay Z making a whole album about being a rich guy and such, then we have Kanye trying to do crazy things all the time which to me sounds like a publicity stunt every new album. I guess i will concede to being wrong in this discussion as i can always go back and listen to all the old rap xD but maybe if the players from the 90s didn't leave so soon it might be a different scene than it is today. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 18 2013 03:34 Pandemona wrote: Hmm good points by all of course, but i still think people not understanding what i mean xD Probably due to not knowing what i mean. Rap/Hip Hop in the 90s early 00s vs what we have now and the reason for what we have now. Is my point YouTube of course is great for rappers to get there content out there from the underground scene, it is good i always use it for up and coming British rap, but thats not what i mean by commercilization. Its the producers/record labels forcing ideas and making people go a certain way. Hell you even hear rappers say it on tracks about how people get pushed one way and are sell outs etcetc. Back in the 90s it was just like a standard awesome beat and awesome rap, with people bringing new stuff to the scene all the time. I just don't feel anything from the people in the scene at the moment. We have Jay Z making a whole album about being a rich guy and such, then we have Kanye trying to do crazy things all the time which to me sounds like a publicity stunt every new album. I guess i will concede to being wrong in this discussion as i can always go back and listen to all the old rap xD but maybe if the players from the 90s didn't leave so soon it might be a different scene than it is today. the players from the 90s either died, faded out, "sold out" (look at Ice Cube), or are still in the game making music that you dislike. Contrary to what you think the "players from the 90s" helped make the game what it is today. Jay-Z brought Kanye West into the limelight. Dr. Dre brought up Eminem and 50 Cent. It's not like they were forced out the game by some shadowy businessman behind the scenes, they actually helped shift the sound from what it was to what it is today. And as others here have pointed out, you seem to be caught up in nostalgia a bit. Even rap in the 90s was commercial. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
Listen to the album Hip Hop is Dead by Nas. I think it's one of the most overlooked, masterful albums of the relatively recent times. Especially if you start the album at Black Republican. The beginning is a little meh, but the second half is so rich. Black Republican - Nas ft. Jay-Z + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On October 18 2013 03:34 Pandemona wrote: Hmm good points by all of course, but i still think people not understanding what i mean xD Probably due to not knowing what i mean. Rap/Hip Hop in the 90s early 00s vs what we have now and the reason for what we have now. Is my point YouTube of course is great for rappers to get there content out there from the underground scene, it is good i always use it for up and coming British rap, but thats not what i mean by commercilization. Its the producers/record labels forcing ideas and making people go a certain way. Hell you even hear rappers say it on tracks about how people get pushed one way and are sell outs etcetc. Back in the 90s it was just like a standard awesome beat and awesome rap, with people bringing new stuff to the scene all the time. I just don't feel anything from the people in the scene at the moment. We have Jay Z making a whole album about being a rich guy and such, then we have Kanye trying to do crazy things all the time which to me sounds like a publicity stunt every new album. I guess i will concede to being wrong in this discussion as i can always go back and listen to all the old rap xD but maybe if the players from the 90s didn't leave so soon it might be a different scene than it is today. It sounds to me like you're just not digging hard enough to find quality hip hop. If your frame of reference on modern rap is limited to Kanye, lil wayne, eminem, jay z, drake etc... you are missing out on a gigantic chunk of hip hop (in other words the not completely trash stuff). The difference is, in the 90's the 'popular' rappers were typically very good and had actually earned their spot in the limelight, unlike today. Although in the 90's the most popular rappers were often times some of the best, there was also a TON left to discover by digging a bit deeper to find unappreciated but equally good artists. There are a ton of modern day artists that are great, you just havnt discovered them yet, that's something you are going to have to go out and discover on your own as most sources and people will recommend the same commercial bullshit. Don't let the general consensus tell you what good music is, that's something a person has to formulate his/her own opinion on. | ||
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Juliette
United States6003 Posts
also i wasn't saying the internet is exclusively bad for things, i was just pointing out that there are downsides. of course it's made the world better, its the internet! also yeah. there's plenty of good shit still out now. i posted two of them last page and no one responded .-. | ||
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