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Dubzex
United States6994 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:22 Soulstice wrote: It sounds to me like you're just not digging hard enough to find quality hip hop. If your frame of reference on modern rap is limited to Kanye, lil wayne, eminem, jay z, drake etc... you are missing out on a gigantic chunk of hip hop (in other words the not completely trash stuff). The difference is, in the 90's the 'popular' rappers were typically very good and had actually earned their spot in the limelight, unlike today. Although in the 90's the most popular rappers were often times some of the best, there was also a TON left to discover by digging a bit deeper to find unappreciated but equally good artists. There are a ton of modern day artists that are great, you just havnt discovered them yet, that's something you are going to have to go out and discover on your own as most sources and people will recommend the same commercial bullshit. Don't let the general consensus tell you what good music is, that's something a person has to formulate his/her own opinion on. I probably do miss out due to not being bothered to look for them. Back in the days of Dre and D12 you hardly had to look very far before your found a rapper who you liked, i don't think any of D12 i didn't like they all were great. | ||
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GolemMadness
Canada11044 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:30 Pandemona wrote: I probably do miss out due to not being bothered to look for them. Back in the days of Dre and D12 you hardly had to look very far before your found a rapper who you liked, i don't think any of D12 i didn't like they all were great. If your threshold of quality is D12, then you shouldn't have to look too far to find something good these days. | ||
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Schelim
Austria11528 Posts
On October 18 2013 06:42 GolemMadness wrote: If your threshold of quality is D12, then you shouldn't have to look too far to find something good these days. while there is some merit to your point, i do think D12 members, some of them at least, are very underrated. Proof (RIP) has been one of my favorite rappers for a very long time (since years before his death), Swifty is an amazing rapper with his own style and Kuniva is very solid. Bizarre... well, i guess he's funny if you like his sense of humor. and Kon Artis/Mr. Porter might not be that good of a rapper but he's a great producer and decent enough singer. i really think some of the D12 members could have had very solid solo careers if Em hadn't overshadowed everything they did in the first few years when they came out, and i guess if they had cared a bit more. listening to Proof's music it always felt to me like he was overwhelmed by the fame he had gained just through being Em's best friend and a member of D12, and while he absolutely loved rapping i don't think he liked the limelight all that much. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
The main thing the internet has done is lower the barriers of entry (mainly by lowering the cost to distribute your music to the mass). Artists don't have to be signed or have a large financial backing or the right connections to be able to put their music out there. So there is a lot more bad music, just as there is a lot more good music...It is up to us to distinguish the signal from the noise. But computers in general is kind of what has made the biggest changes to hip-hop as well. In the 90's and before it actually meant something to be a producer/DJ. You had to have the equipment (MPC-1000, etc.) to cut up music into samples that you had to actually dig through crates for then put them back together. It was a different process for making beats/music than it is now with computer applications making the bulk of the work. The difference in quality between good and bad producers was much more apparent. side-note: One of the things I like most about RZA (wutang's producer) is how he has a very unfinished, kind of rough-around-the-edges style in his productions... But another thing that has changed the most since from the 90's and on is the audience that hip-hop artists aim for in their music. Pre-90s it was really aimed at black people and just urban settings in general. But in the 90s, mainly A Tribe Called Quest being the first, kind of changed that. Tribe was that first group to seriously have white folks and a larger audience be able to follow along/relate to and actually go to their shows. That changed things. Hiphop has influenced so much since then... A lot of modern music played on the radio/clubs (aimed at younger audiences) has been influenced by hiphop in some way or another. For people who grew up after this, they probably don't even realize this sometimes when hearing it... There is a little more that I wanted to add but I just blanked out now and have to close the browser (at work) so will just post here. | ||
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Woosixion
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 18 2013 05:22 Soulstice wrote: It sounds to me like you're just not digging hard enough to find quality hip hop. If your frame of reference on modern rap is limited to Kanye, lil wayne, eminem, jay z, drake etc... you are missing out on a gigantic chunk of hip hop (in other words the not completely trash stuff). The difference is, in the 90's the 'popular' rappers were typically very good and had actually earned their spot in the limelight, unlike today. Yeah cause all the popular stuff is shit and it's a complete mystery as to why all the popular stuff today is so trash, the majority of people must be deaf hell Lil Wayne must have made a deal with the devil to get popular (http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Lil_Wayne's_Secret) amirite /s Modern day popular shit might not be for you but calling it trash just because it's popular is rather stupid and hipsterish of you. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
Not sure if you were responding to me but will say...My post never touched on the subject of what artists rap about (b/c that has always/will always vary from artists to artist and song to song, so pointless)...I make a conscious decision to stay away from that topic. If what I wrote was misinterpreted, I meant Tribe had the good beats/tunes along with the rhymes/lyrics that was easy to keep up with/sing along to by folks who couldn't keep up with lyricists before them. Tribe doesn't even rap about poverty or the state of the country or politics fyi...I just meant to put some things into perspective with that post, didn't really put opinion into what I wrote... And if they are in it to make money, it is because their target audience is bigger now and the scene is just much more developed now. I think your point about how rappers know what sells is the biggest reason a lot of anti-modern people have a problem with current artists so you are kind of making their point...but not what I personally care about or think. edit: besides your post doesn't really go against what I was saying b/c I actually agree with most of it so that's why I apologize if I misunderstood =P | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Poll: Is Nas the best rapper alive? No (11) Yes (4) 15 total votes Your vote: Is Nas the best rapper alive? | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
Also, PLEASE use spoilers guys, it makes going through the thread so much easier for everyone. | ||
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Steelo_Rivers
United States1968 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:49 Woosixion wrote: Alright, as an actual black man.. the majority of the black community WANT to hear about money and hoes and drugs, not the state of the country or poverty or whatever the fuck. rappers know thats what sells, so thats what they rap about... they're in the business to make money. And besides... all that 80's shit where negros were in poverty, thats all over now... niggas have made it big and we'd like let everyone know... so get with the program fellas. on that note.. ill leave you all with some hood shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derja3baycU As a black man I can say, you are are wrong as fuck. You believe that all these black people made it big because they talk like they made it big? Let me guess, you one of those black people that laugh at the less fortunate people in the black community for not spending $200 on a pair of shoes or smoking weed every day. You are what's wrong with black america today bruh. Sorry to be so brutally honest, but you got some things you need to work on. Here is some real hip hop btw so I'm not off topic: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:57 DystopiaX wrote: Yeah cause all the popular stuff is shit and it's a complete mystery as to why all the popular stuff today is so trash, the majority of people must be deaf hell Lil Wayne must have made a deal with the devil to get popular (http://creepypasta.wikia.com/wiki/Lil_Wayne's_Secret) amirite /s Modern day popular shit might not be for you but calling it trash just because it's popular is rather stupid and hipsterish of you. Why so defensive? When did i call it trash because it is popular? I do like some 'popular' hip hop but for the most part i think it is trash because it is geared towards making money rather than being quallity music. There is a people can only name / only know a handfull of songs by some of their beloved artists; Most (but not all) popular artists work more towards making that one catchy jingle or two that will become the flavor of the month so they can cash out nice and quick. Because of this they never have anything new to say, nor do they rarely innovate, instead they milk the geric cash cow. This is just my opinion. I wish you would have quoted/read the rest of my post where it says not to let anyone else tell you what is and is not good music. Some people want music that they can bob their head to, i want something more. To each his own. | ||
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Skullflower
United States3779 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:49 Woosixion wrote: Alright, as an actual black man.. the majority of the black community WANT to hear about money and hoes and drugs, not the state of the country or poverty or whatever the fuck. rappers know thats what sells, so thats what they rap about... they're in the business to make money. And besides... all that 80's shit where negros were in poverty, thats all over now... niggas have made it big and we'd like let everyone know... so get with the program fellas. on that note.. ill leave you all with some hood shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derja3baycU This some real hood shit | ||
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Cheren
United States2911 Posts
On October 18 2013 07:49 Woosixion wrote: Alright, as an actual black man.. the majority of the black community WANT to hear about money and hoes and drugs, not the state of the country or poverty or whatever the fuck. rappers know thats what sells, so thats what they rap about... they're in the business to make money. And besides... all that 80's shit where negros were in poverty, thats all over now... niggas have made it big and we'd like let everyone know... so get with the program fellas. on that note.. ill leave you all with some hood shit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=derja3baycU same with white people, but we don't admit it | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:21 Soulstice wrote: Why so defensive? When did i call it trash because it is popular? I do like some 'popular' hip hop but for the most part i think it is trash because it is geared towards making money rather than being quallity music. There is a people can only name / only know a handfull of songs by some of their beloved artists; Most (but not all) popular artists work more towards making that one catchy jingle or two that will become the flavor of the month so they can cash out nice and quick. Because of this they never have anything new to say, nor do they rarely innovate, instead they milk the geric cash cow. This is just my opinion. I wish you would have quoted/read the rest of my post where it says not to let anyone else tell you what is and is not good music. Some people want music that they can bob their head to, i want something more. To each his own. On October 18 2013 05:22 Soulstice wrote: It sounds to me like you're just not digging hard enough to find quality hip hop. If your frame of reference on modern rap is limited to Kanye, lil wayne, eminem, jay z, drake etc... you are missing out on a gigantic chunk of hip hop (in other words the not completely trash stuff). The difference is, in the 90's the 'popular' rappers were typically very good and had actually earned their spot in the limelight, unlike today. "If all you know is [list of current popular artist] then all you're listening to is the bad shit." "The popular rappers back then were good, which makes them different from today's popular rappers" If Kanye wanted to cash out and make that one catchy jingle Yeezus wouldn't have happened. Listen to that whole album, there's no clear radio single out there. If Kanye REALLY just cared about radio hits and single popularity he'd make Late Registration and Power over and over to satisfy all his fans who want the "Old 'Ye". He'd have finished Good Ass Job instead of scrapping it and turning it into My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy instead. Every single one of Kanye's albums has sound different from the other. You might not like what they ended up being but you can't say he's pressing the same shit over and over again. Drake made sing-rapping huge and also hit that "gonna talk about my ex-girlfriend/make sad music" market. Popular dudes are doing new things, the assertion that they're only just making radio hits again and again just isn't true. Yeah for most artists there's the clear radio single (HYFR, the Motto, Started from the Bottom for Drake), you can't also argue that rappers in the 90s didn't do the same thing. As someone pointed out earlier Biggie had Juicy, Jay Z had Hard Knock Life, etc. It's easy to fall into the trap of "oh artists from the 90s only made real shit" but that statement only holds up if you have a selective memory. You can mention the "greats" who did mostly have new messages and didn't do it for the money but you'd be ignoring the fact that there were artists like Kriss Kross as well. I'm not being defensive, I'm just tired of all the hipster/"le wrong generation" style music posts that are so pervasive on the internet today. | ||
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Soulstice
United States288 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:55 DystopiaX wrote: "If all you know is [list of current popular artist] then all you're listening to is the bad shit." "The popular rappers back then were good, which makes them different from today's popular rappers" If Kanye wanted to cash out and make that one catchy jingle Yeezus wouldn't have happened. Listen to that whole album, there's no clear radio single out there. If Kanye REALLY just cared about radio hits and single popularity he'd make Late Registration and Power over and over to satisfy all his fans who want the "Old 'Ye". He'd have finished Good Ass Job instead of scrapping it and turning it into My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy instead. Every single one of Kanye's albums has sound different from the other. You might not like what they ended up being but you can't say he's pressing the same shit over and over again. Drake made sing-rapping huge and also hit that "gonna talk about my ex-girlfriend/make sad music" market. Popular dudes are doing new things, the assertion that they're only just making radio hits again and again just isn't true. Yeah for most artists there's the clear radio single (HYFR, the Motto, Started from the Bottom for Drake), you can't also argue that rappers in the 90s didn't do the same thing. As someone pointed out earlier Biggie had Juicy, Jay Z had Hard Knock Life, etc. It's easy to fall into the trap of "oh artists from the 90s only made real shit" but that statement only holds up if you have a selective memory. You can mention the "greats" who did mostly have new messages and didn't do it for the money but you'd be ignoring the fact that there were artists like Kriss Kross as well. I'm not being defensive, I'm just tired of all the hipster/"le wrong generation" style music posts that are so pervasive on the internet today. You twisted my words now i will twist yours. "I ride kanyes dick every night, and lick his nuts every morning before breakfast." Im joking, obviously. But you seriously, missed my point entirely. I was NOT regurgitating the whole 90's was awesome and modern rap sux nonesense, in fact my point was quite the opposite. I listen to a shit ton of modern hip hop as well as 80's and 90's and i think all 3 eras are great in their own way and i hold no wieght on when an album was released. Good music is timeless. Like i said, i like some modern 'popular' rap, including My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. All i meant was that i personally find much more meaning and enjoyment out of certain styles of hip hop than others, and that i find that you must go beyond the mainstream to achieve this, in many cases. My main point was and still is this; Like what you like, if you like hip hop and you dont like what you keep on hearing, or desire something different, dig deeper and you will surely find something you like. Good hip hop has not and will never die. | ||
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Phay
55 Posts
On October 18 2013 09:55 DystopiaX wrote: If Kanye wanted to cash out and make that one catchy jingle Yeezus wouldn't have happened. Listen to that whole album, there's no clear radio single out there. If Kanye REALLY just cared about radio hits and single popularity he'd make Late Registration and Power over and over to satisfy all his fans who want the "Old 'Ye". He'd have finished Good Ass Job instead of scrapping it and turning it into My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy instead. Yep Black Skinhead is the closest and is imo the worst on Yeezus. Most songs have at least one VERY provocative phrase (New Slaves, corporations, or a lot of sex stuff) and I can't even imagine an edited version. Kanye isn't stupid, he knows this. The beats on the entire album are phenomenal. Phe-nom-e-nal. Album of the year phenomenal. Only criticism I guess I understand is being offensive to women, but honestly I think this is just Kanye being ye and I'm not offended. The most offensive + Show Spoiler + Every single one of Kanye's albums has sound different from the other. You might not like what they ended up being but you can't say he's pressing the same shit over and over again. Among Kanye albums, I rank this one #2 behind MBDTF, but I can make a good case for any of the others to take the second place spot. Or for every single one to usurp Yeezus. It needs saying again - every album is SO distinct, and all featured cutting edge musical styles. Who brought back autotune? (*cough* Kanye - 808s) Who debuted with a "classic" 90s style sound all you seem to idolize? Kanye. Who produced (created the beats) the ablums that made Jay-Z the mogul he now is? Yeezy did it. Who has already conquered the radio with countless chart busters? Yeezy baby, and real fans don't even talk about those tracks much. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:22 Soulstice wrote: You twisted my words now i will twist yours. "I ride kanyes dick every night, and lick his nuts every morning before breakfast." Im joking, obviously. But you seriously, missed my point entirely. I was NOT regurgitating the whole 90's was awesome and modern rap sux nonesense, in fact my point was quite the opposite. I listen to a shit ton of modern hip hop as well as 80's and 90's and i think all 3 eras are great in their own way and i hold no wieght on when an album was released. Good music is timeless. Like i said, i like some modern 'popular' rap, including My Beautiful Dark Twisted Fantasy. All i meant was that i personally find much more meaning and enjoyment out of certain styles of hip hop than others, and that i find that you must go beyond the mainstream to achieve this, in many cases. My main point was and still is this; Like what you like, if you like hip hop and you dont like what you keep on hearing, or desire something different, dig deeper and you will surely find something you like. Good hip hop has not and will never die. I can get behind that statement, but I don't think I really twisted your words in my post. If that's really what you meant all along then fine, but that isn't the point you were making before. | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
I mean he did 3 of the best, most forward thinking beats on Talib Kweli's best album (Quality, super classic) over 10 years ago that sound like hot tracks to me today. + Show Spoiler + On October 18 2013 08:14 Emon_ wrote: Something that I've been wondering for a while: Poll: Is Nas the best rapper alive? No (11) Yes (4) 15 total votes Your vote: Is Nas the best rapper alive? For me personally, he's the top ever, dead or alive, and the easy confidence of a legend who's been everywhere and done it all is what's really on show for me on HHID. | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On October 18 2013 10:26 Phay wrote: Among Kanye albums, I rank this one #2 behind MBDTF, but I can make a good case for any of the others to take the second place spot. Or for every single one to usurp Yeezus. It needs saying again - every album is SO distinct, and all featured cutting edge musical styles. Who brought back autotune? (*cough* Kanye - 808s) Who debuted with a "classic" 90s style sound all you seem to idolize? Kanye. Who produced (created the beats) the ablums that made Jay-Z the mogul he now is? Yeezy did it. Who has already conquered the radio with countless chart busters? Yeezy baby, and real fans don't even talk about those tracks much. couple things: Kanye has his phases but a lot of his albums sound alike: - LR & TCD are similar in sound - the good music releases & graduation were similar as well - mbdtf & 808s are pretty similar in the way his drum samples are the same, as well as using electronically tuned vocals as the basis of his hooks/chorus. autotune was always in public consciousness during 808 release. 2007-8 aka when t-pain was at his peak was when autotune pervaded every song; saying 808s brought back autotune in the same year is pretty dumb, especially when NoID & ye & hov did DoA right afterwards. TCD & LR were released early-mid 00s and not what we're talking about when we talk about 'classic 90s'. plenty of producers were making shit like that during those years. jay had beats from a bunch different producers pre blueprint, and he was plenty popular before those albums point is, kanye isn't reinventing the wheel each time he makes an album. he's simply expanding on vague ideas and making them easy for the public to understand. except for maybe yeezus, that's a reach. and you're going to have a difficult time convincing me how yeezus or 808s take second best album while LR and TCD exist. | ||
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