Well I can't and haven't been disagreeing with you there...
Anyways, when I came across this thread a few weeks ago it made me reminisce. All my music got lost around 2008-2009 due to my computer and ipod both dying, as well as all my CD's were lost/stolen from the earlier days. Stopped listening to mostly hip-hop and got into other music for a while but now I am trying to get back most of the music I remember I had and more. I am gonna try to jimmy my old ipod to d/l songs when I get around to it too.
Since this is a discussion thread I didn't just want to post videos, but also wanted to add a little backstory to them.
So I want to post the first hip-hop song that really blew my mind. The one that made me go whoa, they make shit like this??
"Scapegoat" is still appropriate to this day. If it's your first time hearing it, you're welcome:
I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....
Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p
On May 21 2013 05:20 MCDayC wrote: I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....
Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p
I didn't until few days ago
So what do you think about "I used to love her"? Is his comment about changes in hip-hop justified or not? Surely the changes must've felt only by few and not the many? In my opinion it's probably the same nowadays. For example, when Kanye or whoever raps about illuminati and corporations taking over.
im supposed to be more into talking about stuff like this but i dont really wanna get into this kanye thing. but i like the music for the most part and i look forward to the album
On May 21 2013 05:20 MCDayC wrote: I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....
Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p
I somewhat disagree. Its only bad when its reposted a million times. Its always good to be going through a TL music thread and occasionally get some classic shit to jam to before moving on to more things you dont know.
I just saw sage-Francis in portland. He played some non-prophets songs, was good.
On May 21 2013 03:14 wei2coolman wrote: The joke is he's both. He is both the perpetrators and victim.
I agree, but I also think he knows it- in addition to the lines I mentioned before, the lines about how blacks can't read and companies incentivizing contracts with maybachs and him signing them make it pretty clear that he knows he's a victim, while also being aware that as a famous artist he's also part of the problem.
yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.
at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake
Some german underground producer. I just love the beats so much and dont get why they dont have any success at all. The first song is english/german while 2nd track is in german. Tell me how you like it.
On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote: yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.
at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake
Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.
On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote: yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.
at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake
Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.
I don't think the price of what you're buying really matters. Consumerism is consumerism.
On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote: yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.
at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake
Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.
I don't think the price of what you're buying really matters. Consumerism is consumerism.
I seriously hope you don't believe that. Comparing the consumerism of Kanye to the consumerism is spreads are two vastly different things.
On May 21 2013 17:54 DystopiaX wrote: For the point Kanye's trying to reach in his song? It's not important. ofc it's important in general.
Difference is consumerism in mass markets in middle class families lead to poor financial situations; far more dire consequences than Kanye's maybach. The cultural impact is significant; but the main reason consumerism is an issue is the financial impact. Also he compares consumerism to blood on the leaves. He's so fucking detached from common reality, that he compares his idiotic consumerism to lynching. All while trying to drag the common man into this imagery, with the usage of "we the new slaves." Yeah, cuz we "throw these maybach keys" right? He's so beyond detached from his audience, that's why I think this new track is a joke. And I still chuckle at the irony of the statement "They prolly all in the hamptons, bragging about what they made"; Is this the part where I point out the fact that the first half of the song is about him bragging about "woe is me; i buy expensive shit"?
just give it up, if he still doesn't get it now he won't ever get it. we've basically reiterated our respective opposing points 5 times over. at this point just chalk it up to difference in opinion or some other silly shit.
On May 22 2013 00:53 andyrau wrote: just give it up, if he still doesn't get it now he won't ever get it. we've basically reiterated our respective opposing points 5 times over. at this point just chalk it up to difference in opinion or some other silly shit.
it's not a difference in opinion, it's a lack of ability and/or effort to understand and/or communicate.
@dystopia: how does getting cars and million dollar contracts make you a victim?
i have no reason to believe kanye is being genuine with what he says in that song, or maybe he really is that disconnected from reality. to me it seems more like he's taking a piss on some hampton rich guy who bragged about his maid, the rest is just lubricant.
the thing is I've understood all of his points except for the part where wei2coolman says kanye is being fake simply because he is rich. he isn't telling everyone to stop consuming, he is telling everyone they are slaves to capitalism, and we all play into the system no matter what level of wealth we can claim. you can be rich as hell and sell your bullshit to the masses, but in the end you're still succumbing to the corporate societal pressure of hedonism and needing fancy toys to show off your status.
unless you're like bill gates and donate your life savings to social welfare, of course. but not everyone is bill gates.
edit: forming cohesive statements from a phone is hard
nice strawman but if we want to do this, it's more like a nascar driver telling everyone they're contributing to global warming during his victory speech after winning the Indy500. + Show Spoiler +
lol is that a big race? I am probably pulling shit out of my ass.
like I understand where the so-called irony is coming from, but point is, you need a podium to launch your ideas off, and kanye uses his voice as a rapper to broadcast this message even if his position in life makes it rather unsuitable for him to do so. how else would he express his sentiment?
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