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MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 03:33:31
May 20 2013 19:13 GMT
#181
Well I can't and haven't been disagreeing with you there...

Anyways, when I came across this thread a few weeks ago it made me reminisce. All my music got lost around 2008-2009 due to my computer and ipod both dying, as well as all my CD's were lost/stolen from the earlier days. Stopped listening to mostly hip-hop and got into other music for a while but now I am trying to get back most of the music I remember I had and more. I am gonna try to jimmy my old ipod to d/l songs when I get around to it too.

Since this is a discussion thread I didn't just want to post videos, but also wanted to add a little backstory to them.

So I want to post the first hip-hop song that really blew my mind. The one that made me go whoa, they make shit like this??

"Scapegoat" is still appropriate to this day. If it's your first time hearing it, you're welcome:

"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
May 20 2013 20:11 GMT
#182
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"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
May 20 2013 20:20 GMT
#183
I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....

Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Bunn
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Estonia934 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-20 20:54:51
May 20 2013 20:44 GMT
#184
On May 21 2013 05:20 MCDayC wrote:
I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....

Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p


I didn't until few days ago

So what do you think about "I used to love her"? Is his comment about changes in hip-hop justified or not? Surely the changes must've felt only by few and not the many? In my opinion it's probably the same nowadays. For example, when Kanye or whoever raps about illuminati and corporations taking over.
"There are no limits. There are plateaus, but you must not stay there, you must go beyond them. If it kills you, it kills you. A man must constantly exceed his level." - Bruce Lee
Juliette
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States6003 Posts
May 21 2013 00:22 GMT
#185
im supposed to be more into talking about stuff like this but i dont really wanna get into this kanye thing. but i like the music for the most part and i look forward to the album
OKAY FROM THAT PERSPECTIVE I SEE WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT
actionbastrd
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Congo598 Posts
May 21 2013 00:38 GMT
#186
On May 21 2013 05:20 MCDayC wrote:
I don't mean to be mean, but just coming in here and posting Illmatic, Don't Sweat the Technique, and I Used to Love Her....

Its a bit lazy, and utterly pointless. Its alright to like/love classics, but at least comment or something, its not like anyone doesn't know about those songs :p


I somewhat disagree. Its only bad when its reposted a million times. Its always good to be going through a TL music thread and occasionally get some classic shit to jam to before moving on to more things you dont know.

I just saw sage-Francis in portland. He played some non-prophets songs, was good.

It rained today inside my head...
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 01:15 GMT
#187
On May 21 2013 03:14 wei2coolman wrote:
The joke is he's both. He is both the perpetrators and victim.

I agree, but I also think he knows it- in addition to the lines I mentioned before, the lines about how blacks can't read and companies incentivizing contracts with maybachs and him signing them make it pretty clear that he knows he's a victim, while also being aware that as a famous artist he's also part of the problem.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 21 2013 01:42 GMT
#188
yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.

at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Kenpark
Profile Joined March 2012
Germany2350 Posts
May 21 2013 01:46 GMT
#189
Some german underground producer. I just love the beats so much and dont get why they dont have any success at all. The first song is english/german while 2nd track is in german. Tell me how you like it.


wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 05:37:47
May 21 2013 05:37 GMT
#190
On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote:
yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.

at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake

Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.
liftlift > tsm
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
May 21 2013 06:34 GMT
#191
Can I ax you how to axe a tree?
"I know that human beings and fish can coexist peacefully" -GWB ||
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 08:43 GMT
#192
On May 21 2013 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
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On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote:
yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.

at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake

Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.

I don't think the price of what you're buying really matters. Consumerism is consumerism.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 08:48:57
May 21 2013 08:45 GMT
#193
On May 21 2013 17:43 DystopiaX wrote:
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On May 21 2013 14:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On May 21 2013 10:42 andyrau wrote:
yes, everyone realizes he's perpetuating the problem whilst complaining about it, but that doesn't make what he's saying any less true. nor does playing into the system discredit him when his entire first album was literally a 60 minute long bitchfest about the inequalities of society.

at this point I still don't understand why people think he's being fake

Because he's trying to draw a relationship to those of us who consume; as if he actually thinks its even comparable. That's why he's fake. He compares buying maybachs as part of the new slavery; and he's a slave just like the rest of us. Which is actually a joke he even tries to draw a comparison.

I don't think the price of what you're buying really matters. Consumerism is consumerism.

I seriously hope you don't believe that. Comparing the consumerism of Kanye to the consumerism is spreads are two vastly different things.
liftlift > tsm
DystopiaX
Profile Joined October 2010
United States16236 Posts
May 21 2013 08:54 GMT
#194
For the point Kanye's trying to reach in his song? It's not important. ofc it's important in general.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 09:04:50
May 21 2013 09:02 GMT
#195
On May 21 2013 17:54 DystopiaX wrote:
For the point Kanye's trying to reach in his song? It's not important. ofc it's important in general.

Difference is consumerism in mass markets in middle class families lead to poor financial situations; far more dire consequences than Kanye's maybach. The cultural impact is significant; but the main reason consumerism is an issue is the financial impact.
Also he compares consumerism to blood on the leaves. He's so fucking detached from common reality, that he compares his idiotic consumerism to lynching. All while trying to drag the common man into this imagery, with the usage of "we the new slaves." Yeah, cuz we "throw these maybach keys" right? He's so beyond detached from his audience, that's why I think this new track is a joke.
And I still chuckle at the irony of the statement "They prolly all in the hamptons, bragging about what they made"; Is this the part where I point out the fact that the first half of the song is about him bragging about "woe is me; i buy expensive shit"?
liftlift > tsm
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 21 2013 15:53 GMT
#196
just give it up, if he still doesn't get it now he won't ever get it.
we've basically reiterated our respective opposing points 5 times over. at this point just chalk it up to difference in opinion or some other silly shit.
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
nunez
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway4003 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 17:04:12
May 21 2013 16:57 GMT
#197
On May 22 2013 00:53 andyrau wrote:
just give it up, if he still doesn't get it now he won't ever get it.
we've basically reiterated our respective opposing points 5 times over. at this point just chalk it up to difference in opinion or some other silly shit.

it's not a difference in opinion, it's a lack of ability and/or effort to understand and/or communicate.

@dystopia: how does getting cars and million dollar contracts make you a victim?

i have no reason to believe kanye is being genuine with what he says in that song, or maybe he really is that disconnected from reality. to me it seems more like he's taking a piss on some hampton rich guy who bragged about his maid, the rest is just lubricant.
conspired against by a confederacy of dunces.
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-21 17:42:49
May 21 2013 17:38 GMT
#198
the thing is I've understood all of his points except for the part where wei2coolman says kanye is being fake simply because he is rich.
he isn't telling everyone to stop consuming, he is telling everyone they are slaves to capitalism, and we all play into the system no matter what level of wealth we can claim.
you can be rich as hell and sell your bullshit to the masses, but in the end you're still succumbing to the corporate societal pressure of hedonism and needing fancy toys to show off your status.

unless you're like bill gates and donate your life savings to social welfare, of course. but not everyone is bill gates.

edit: forming cohesive statements from a phone is hard
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
May 21 2013 17:41 GMT
#199
It's like a f1 racecar driver saying "yeah, i do pretty much the same thing as a truck driver, ya know, we both drive cars"
liftlift > tsm
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
May 21 2013 17:53 GMT
#200
nice strawman but if we want to do this, it's more like a nascar driver telling everyone they're contributing to global warming during his victory speech after winning the Indy500.
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lol is that a big race? I am probably pulling shit out of my ass.

like I understand where the so-called irony is coming from, but point is, you need a podium to launch your ideas off, and kanye uses his voice as a rapper to broadcast this message even if his position in life makes it rather unsuitable for him to do so. how else would he express his sentiment?
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