EPTThats a big confession coming from me. I don't generally like this genre at all, but I find Macklemore catchy as fuck.
Now shhh, don't tell anyone.
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dravernor
Netherlands6175 Posts
Thats a big confession coming from me. I don't generally like this genre at all, but I find Macklemore catchy as fuck. Now shhh, don't tell anyone. | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
On May 20 2013 13:59 DystopiaX wrote: He did 2 songs, black skinhead and new slaves. http://www.vibe.com/article/snl-kanye-west-performs-new-slaves Love the album name, such a troll. And yeezus is a dope nickname. Its a nickname from loads of fansites for him, I find it hilarious that its now become an album name  | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On May 20 2013 15:34 MCDayC wrote: Its a nickname from loads of fansites for him, I find it hilarious that its now become an album name Yeah I know, that's why I think it's awesome. I know that he probably heard it from fans but I like to think that he lurks fansites and shit. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On May 20 2013 16:26 wei2coolman wrote: Kanye's new track too fake for me. Complaining about being new slaves; when he grew up in a middle class socio-economic background. Kanye just doesn't have the street cred imo; simply too fake. Sounds good though. ... lol at least try to Wikipedia the guy's life if you don't want to listen to his first two albums and the slavery is a metaphor for the addiction to consumerism, something he's been rapping about since debut. 'doesn't have enough street cred' lmao ignance aside, I also didn't really like the track for completely different reasons | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:01 andyrau wrote: ... lol at least try to Wikipedia the guy's life if you don't want to listen to his first two albums and the slavery is a metaphor for the addiction to consumerism, something he's been rapping about since debut. 'doesn't have enough street cred' lmao ignance aside, I also didn't really like the track for completely different reasons Do you not see the joke? He is part of the problem of consumerism in this new slavery, not the solution. Irony at its finest. | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:13 wei2coolman wrote: Do you not see the joke? He is part of the problem of consumerism in this new slavery, not the solution. Irony at its finest. Kanye never talked about being part of the solution,he always just went on about how he IS part of the problem and admits it. For instance: + Show Spoiler + See, a part of me saying: "Keep shining" How? When I know what a blood diamond is Though it's thousands of miles away Sierra Leone connects to what we go through today Over here it's a drug trade, we die from drugs Over there they die from what we buy from drugs The diamonds, the chains, the bracelets, the charmses I thought my Jesus-piece was so harmless Til I seen a picture of a shorty armless And here's the conflict: It's in a black person soul to rock that gold Spend your whole life trying to get that ice On a Polo rugby, it looks so nice How can something so wrong make me feel so right? Right? Before I beat myself up like Ike + Show Spoiler + Man I promise, I'm so self conscious That's why you always see me with at least one of my watches Rollies and Pasha's done drove me crazy I can't even pronounce nothing, pass that versace! Then I spent 400 bucks on this Just to be like nigga you ain't up on this! And I can't even go to the grocery store Without some ones thats clean and a shirt with a team It seems we living the american dream But the people highest up got the lowest self esteem The prettiest people do the ugliest things For the road to riches and diamond rings We shine because they hate us, floss cause they degrade us We trying to buy back our 40 acres And for that paper, look how low we a'stoop Even if you in a Benz, you still a nigga in a coop/coupe Also i don't know what you mean by street cred,Kayne ain't fucking gucci mane lol Kayne is pop culture and pop culture is consumerism no matter what you do.He's not dumb he makes a lot of dumb tracks that take little effort because he knows they sell just like that and than from time to time he makes a jesus walks type of thing to I guess redeem himself a bit in his mind maybe.idk just my speculation. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:18 Shadowpostin wrote: Kanye never talked about being part of the solution,he always just went on about how he IS part of the problem and admits it. For instance: + Show Spoiler + See, a part of me saying: "Keep shining" How? When I know what a blood diamond is Though it's thousands of miles away Sierra Leone connects to what we go through today Over here it's a drug trade, we die from drugs Over there they die from what we buy from drugs The diamonds, the chains, the bracelets, the charmses I thought my Jesus-piece was so harmless Til I seen a picture of a shorty armless And here's the conflict: It's in a black person soul to rock that gold Spend your whole life trying to get that ice On a Polo rugby, it looks so nice How can something so wrong make me feel so right? Right? Before I beat myself up like Ike + Show Spoiler + Man I promise, I'm so self conscious That's why you always see me with at least one of my watches Rollies and Pasha's done drove me crazy I can't even pronounce nothing, pass that versace! Then I spent 400 bucks on this Just to be like nigga you ain't up on this! And I can't even go to the grocery store Without some ones thats clean and a shirt with a team It seems we living the american dream But the people highest up got the lowest self esteem The prettiest people do the ugliest things For the road to riches and diamond rings We shine because they hate us, floss cause they degrade us We trying to buy back our 40 acres And for that paper, look how low we a'stoop Even if you in a Benz, you still a nigga in a coop/coupe That's not what I meant as part of the problem; I meant he was an item of consumption; his fame, his music, he is literally part of the consumerism problem; not just the fact he consumes, but the fact that he himself is an item of consumption. | ||
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Shadowpostin
Germany798 Posts
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On May 20 2013 16:26 wei2coolman wrote: Kanye's new track too fake for me. Complaining about being new slaves; when he grew up in a middle class socio-economic background. Kanye just doesn't have the street cred imo; simply too fake. Sounds good though. i agree, no way he can bridge the gap between the lyrics and his act, so disingenuous. don't know what he was thinking. just another day... from black reign is a beast of a track describing 'hood life'. even though queen latifa's upbringing was probably way easier than your average hood rat i have no problems swallowing this track. fake brothers claim there's no shame in their game | ||
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andyrau
13015 Posts
but there is no irony in your original post, just a whole lot of misinformed statements being opined as facts. kanye was poor as shit, grew up in a single mom family in the midst of the projects in Chicago, he never claimed to have street cred, nor did he ever claim to be a mc. what does anything about his past lead you to conclude he's a 'fake'? smh stop posin | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:41 andyrau wrote: ofc i see the 'joke'? I also see the irony in his assault on the ideals of capitalism when he most likely has no idea what it actually means, this shit is not even deep. but there is no irony in your original post, just a whole lot of misinformed statements being opined as facts. kanye was poor as shit, grew up in a single mom family in the midst of the projects in Chicago, he never claimed to have street cred, nor did he ever claim to be a mc. what does anything about his past lead you to conclude he's a 'fake'? smh stop posin Told me to wiki. He was raised in a middle-class background, attending Polaris High School[21] in suburban Oak Lawn, Illinois after living in Chicago.[22] He tries to rap about social conditions that he has no clue what he's talking about; he fronts the idea of new slavery, and he writes that he's a part of it, but the funniest part is he misses the target on how he contributes to the ideology. Also, just because he doesn't claim something, doesn't mean he fronts it. | ||
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nunez
Norway4003 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:41 andyrau wrote: ofc i see the 'joke'? I also see the irony in his assault on the ideals of capitalism when he most likely has no idea what it actually means, this shit is not even deep. but there is no irony in your original post, just a whole lot of misinformed statements being opined as facts. kanye was poor as shit, grew up in a single mom family in the midst of the projects in Chicago, he never claimed to have street cred, nor did he ever claim to be a mc. what does anything about his past lead you to conclude he's a 'fake'? smh stop posin this is wei2uncool, man. surely you must realize that whether or not an artist is perceived as fake is subjective and that what wei2cool means when he says that he doesn't have enough streetcred (to pull off that song) it could have a lot of different meanings. surely you must realize that when i am posting this to you, i am not pretending that i am paraphrasing facts from a scientific report, but just voicing my opinion. by all means you can try to figure out why wei2cool thinks he's fake, but antagonism will give him less incentive to explain it to you and you will be none the wiser. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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andyrau
13015 Posts
On May 20 2013 17:54 wei2coolman wrote: Told me to wiki. He tries to rap about social conditions that he has no clue what he's talking about; he fronts the idea of new slavery, and he writes that he's a part of it, but the funniest part is he misses the target on how he contributes to the ideology. Also, just because he doesn't claim something, doesn't mean he fronts it. you mean he doesn't front it right? your last sentence is really confusing. anyhow, Chicago middle class in that context doesn't actually means middle class America - we're talking about the south side of the city. also he doesn't care about being part of the problem as long as he pushes the topic into the limelight. he's admitted to being part of the problem for ages; this track introduces absolutely nothing new in terms of what he's been saying all along. by that regard I just can't see how you can say he's fronting or 'posing as a dude from the ghetto'. why does his 'street cred' matter at all? and it's not like only poor people are slaves to the system - it's everyone, from the kid who's an orphan drifting around the system to the token suburban teenage white kid who plays armchair critic behind an Internet handle. maybe you're the one missing the point of the track. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
He'd rather be part of the problem than be another slave/a "swallower". And the lines about Maybachs and whatever, he's basically saying that he knows that he buys into the whole consumerism thing too but can't help himself, he wants chains and nice cars and shit just like everyone else. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
With that said, I can also see where wei2cool is coming from. And if he really means it, he will walk the walk not just talk it. And I doubt that's what he means by saying he rather be a dick edit: heard and seen lyrics to song and have different thoughts now. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
On May 21 2013 01:52 DystopiaX wrote: He even admitted it in the song "there's leaders, and there's followers/but I'd rather be a dick than a swallower" He'd rather be part of the problem than be another slave/a "swallower". And the lines about Maybachs and whatever, he's basically saying that he knows that he buys into the whole consumerism thing too but can't help himself, he wants chains and nice cars and shit just like everyone else. Your missing the point I'm bringing up. He's not just contributing to consumerism by consuming. He is the product people are consuming. He portrays himself as a victim of consumerism which is created by "companies". He doesn't even notice the fact he IS the propagator. His music is another product for sale, what ever he buys is advertising to the youth. His image in itself contributes to consumerism far more than his actual consumption. He draws himself as a common victim of consumerism like the rest of us. But that is so far from the fucking truth that it's a joke for Kanye to try and draw a relation between him and his audience. | ||
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MassHysteria
United States3678 Posts
On May 21 2013 02:46 wei2coolman wrote: Your missing the point I'm bringing up. He's not just contributing to consumerism by consuming. He is the product people are consuming. He portrays himself as a victim of consumerism which is created by "companies". He doesn't even notice the fact he IS the propagator. His music is another product for sale, what ever he buys is advertising to the youth. His image in itself contributes to consumerism far more than his actual consumption. He draws himself as a common victim of consumerism like the rest of us. But that is so far from the fucking truth that it's a joke for Kanye to try and draw a relation between him and his audience. No I think Dystopia nailed it actually. Of course he knows he is a part of it (he'd be an idiot if he didn't), which is why his hook makes sense in that he says he would rather be a leader of it than a follower. | ||
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wei2coolman
United States60033 Posts
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