[Manga] Shingeki no Kyojin - Page 63

1. The author basically uses his own version of evolution. swap out primates for titans and then alot makes sense.
- so far in this manga that i've seen there has been no precise explanation between the connection of titan and human but that this connection DOES exist. ymir indicates that there is an awakening process or a titan is capable of gaining consciousness if the primitive titan as i'm going to refer to them as, eats one who has already obtained consciousness. the origins of who obtains consciousness and don't outside of this process have not been discovered or hinted at in this manga thus far but it must exist. basically ymir only stated 1 way of titans becoming humans, there exist others. in fact i'm going on a limb here to suggest the author writes this story with his own sci-fi analogy of evolution. starting it off with we were all once primitive apes, but in some point in time we obtained consciousness. erwin's father the ape titan pretty much concluded all humans were titans.

2. Then there is good vs evil
the ones who become the first of a society turning conscious first aka humans squabbled amongst themselves over how new humans should and other titans who haven't turned humans should be treated. one faction i assume we can say the more moral faction, thought that they should make a society where that transformation process should occur without them being misled or enslaved / have to fight other when they became human. whereas the other faction or tribes believed they should rule over them because they were the first of humanity. the more moral faction isolated themselves and started their own society by creating a wall to stop the others who would otherwise wish to enslave, eat them, etc. the original leader aka the king decided it was in the best interest of humanity that they be ignorant of the things in the outside world and thus are capable of living freely at his expense. thus it would make sense why the governing body or world government attempts to snuff out all those who wish to gain information of the origins. because doing so risk the very fabric of their peace and freedom. AND it would also make sense that he brainwash those that were alive and conscious of it at the beginning and then pursue those who disagreed with his plans while attempting to benefit living within his wall. riot would inevitably ensue if they were not ignorant, people would fight amongst each other to know the truth, and it'd be war again from the very beginning and humans would undo the wall had they all had the truth of how they could all use their titan powers.

5. then there are deviants
- basically between both villages the ones inside the wall and the ones outside, there are people who don't believe in the society or country their in, and wish to flock or immigrate to the other side. people like ymir gained conciousness another way but don't wish to join the other village or faction but are forced to, and then there are reiner and berthold who orginated inside the wall and gained knowledge of their abilities but decided to flock to the other village only to realize how wrong of a choice it was and thus were forced to do the other villages bidding. this would also explain why reiner continually has internal conflict about which side he's on and what he believes. he truly wants to side with the titans and humans inside the wall, but the other titans outside the wall are forcing him to do infiltration to destroy it.

On October 14 2015 12:28 Forikorder wrote:


This is also just as likely as my theory! and i entirely agree i think this was the other scenario that is equally as likely to occur. I feel as if we've scratched the surface or at least we've narrowed it down to where the story will lead, i feel like even if we aren't entirely correct at speculating where the author will take it, it will at least be somewhat close to how the author will explain the relationship between titans and humans. basically we will have to wait and see what the author decides came first, the chicken or the egg. :p
but i actually believe there is more evidence to support your perspective than there is mine, the fact we visually witness the transformation instantaneously from human to titans i believe suggest that humans came first and titans were a by product of medical / scientific discovery or a mutation that's been codified for war. we also have to recall that the village is basically primitive, they haven't even discovered the lightbulb yet but only as of recent. sadly though the syringe (injection needle) was invented about 40 years before the lightbulb was in our literal time line, so i think this removes my ability to conclude the substances in the syringe were the byproducts of advanced machinery. but the fact the discovery of advanced technology as far as we conclude, did not originate from the society inside the wall does suggest the other society was advanced, but we can't say by how much. in fact i don't think they were MUCH more advanced due to the fact the villages were instantly able to incorporate the technology but were just a few years off from the invention and discovery of it.



I actually enjoy your theory a lot more In fact if we were to look at the story being told through your perspective, it would make it FAR more interesting and fills in many holes that my theory currently has. i'm actually hoping it's told this way because the narrative would change from a primitive village oppressed by a larger species to, there existed scientifically advanced beings that for some reason was reduced to it's primitive state / out numbered by primitive failed experiments. this would play out more like the tower of babel where we were so advanced that a "god" or a scientific phenomenon / war/ pressed the reset button on society. not only is the manga going to have a way longer narrative and probably open many ways for the story to be told, it would basically be "catchup" to what the previous generation was.

as far as the reiss quote, that's one i should have focused more on but over looked entirely and i'm totally on board at this point with your theory. i even recall him saying something along the lines of "histora i have chosen the titan best suited for combat" which if we were look at that statement and see what has to be true in order for that statement to be true, it implies that in the past this was a science that has been codified and mapped out. that there was a process of choosing a titan transformation which aided best in whatever endeavor society chose either for combat or medical. the medical one i theorized was one of em due to the regeneration we've seen so far including the limb regeneration of the most recent chapter.



for this theory i believe the titans who followed in his belief formed the "hardening" shell ability which puts a large toll on their lifespan if not completely kills the titan. since we see that titans were INSIDE the wall, i actually think the hardening ability if done to completion kills the titan user. he becomes a statue, i see it as if it's cement that's allowed to fully dry vs the half ass process eren tries which is create a cacoon and not stay inside it which leaves a weaker and hallow wall/blockade. i speculate the king actually died in the process of creating the wall but had a larger ability to create more walls vs other titans who could only create 1 strong wall and knowingly died to create a part of it.



i may have to re-read it a bit to verify but from what i remember there was a scene with berthold and reiner as children and this was when ymir first became human. she ate their peer. i can't say for sure as i don't recall the scene very well, but they were in a village when it happened. i'm not entirely sure if they were children or not. i simply assumed it was them within the wall, but perhaps it was in their home village.

for this theory i believe the titans who followed in his belief formed the "hardening" shell ability which puts a large toll on their lifespan if not completely kills the titan. since we see that titans were INSIDE the wall, i actually think the hardening ability if done to completion kills the titan user. he becomes a statue, i see it as if it's cement that's allowed to fully dry vs the half ass process eren tries which is create a cacoon and not stay inside it which leaves a weaker and hallow wall/blockade. i speculate the king actually died in the process of creating the wall but had a larger ability to create more walls vs other titans who could only create 1 strong wall and knowingly died to create a part of it.

On October 14 2015 20:45 Forikorder wrote:


the titan in the wall looks at Mikasa (i think it was her) and the wall cult dude freaked out about sun touching it so seems like its still alive just in a "coma" from no sunlight

ahh i see so i stand corrected. i think this also explains why berthold freaked out when they were attempting to crack annie's so called "hardening cacoon/coma" i forgot which chapter it was but they threatened burthold that their torture methods would inevitably get to her and it would explain his rush to save her.

now what's funny to me is why hanji or hange duno how to spell his name, didn't test the theory of if they were alive or dead. in fact it didn't even seem to occur to armin or the rest of the survey corps that it would save more resources if they were attempting to pry out an awakened titian, strap it down and attempt to wake it than do these exploration expeditions. i suppose attempting to break annie plays more to the plot but i'd be willing to bet that the titan in the wall is more willingly to talk than the enemy.

On October 14 2015 22:03 Forikorder wrote:


actually they didnt know Annie was in the crystal, Armine pretended they had her in flesh and blood and were torturing her directly



ya doesnt really make sense that there not destroying there own wall in order to learn more about titans

not like the wall is important or anything...

On November 13 2015 01:55 Makro wrote:
i'm seriously doubting in levi's capacities to shut down the titan's general