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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 01:48 GMT
#3241
the beginning is cool when he murders this lady with an axe or whatever but then it's just really boring for the other 700 pages
shikata ga nai
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 24 2013 05:13 GMT
#3242
i listened to it on tape at a summer job when i was 19. it seemed alright that way
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
123Gurke
Profile Joined January 2005
France154 Posts
December 24 2013 07:57 GMT
#3243
I have read that the German translation by Swetlana Geier is supposed to be really good. I'd recommend trying this or another German translation, because otherwise the book is essentially translated twice assuming you are not a native speaker.
"No," she said, "but sometimes I like to watch."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 08:17 GMT
#3244
Finished my Hegel last night.
Started Ubik really great so far !
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 13:12 GMT
#3245
Dooooope.
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Pensées, Blaise Pascal
Didn't read it through yet, but I must have read 50% at least. Should be good.
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Solal, Albert Cohen
I was lent this, we'll see how it goes.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
Paljas
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6926 Posts
December 24 2013 15:27 GMT
#3246
finished:
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very impressive. could have read the blog instead, but reading it as a book is more enjoyable imo.
rip wolfgang herrendorf

currently reading:
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not bad so far

next one:
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new german translation, so i decided to give it a try
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dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 24 2013 15:39 GMT
#3247
On December 24 2013 09:22 corumjhaelen wrote:
I'm tempted to tell you to read another Dostoyevski book The Idiot I'd say.

Yeah, I'd say TBK is the best one followed by The Idiot. After that comes C&P, which is also very good(the beginning and the ending especially).
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 15:43 GMT
#3248
woooooo take that hegel!!! Nice job man
shikata ga nai
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 15:51:05
December 24 2013 15:50 GMT
#3249
I was never one for poetry, but Nazim Hikmet has proved to be a really nice introduction
I would recommend reading this to music
The Japanese version of the poem is also excellent.

I Come and Stand at Every Door
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I come and stand at every door

But no one hears my silent tread

I knock and yet remain unseen

For I am dead, for I am dead.



I'm only seven although I died

In Hiroshima long ago

I'm seven now as I was then

When children die they do not grow.



My hair was scorched by swirling flame

My eyes grew dim, my eyes grew blind

Death came and turned my bones to dust

And that was scattered by the wind.



I need no fruit, I need no rice I

need no sweet, nor even bread

I ask for nothing for myself

For I am dead, for I am dead.



All that I ask is that for peace

You fight today, you fight today

So that the children of this world

May live and grow and laugh and play.


And this poem, On Living is probably the most intense poem I have read.
This dramatization of the poem is pretty badass.
On Living
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I
Living is no laughing matter:

you must live with great seriousness

like a squirrel, for example-

I mean without looking for something beyond and above living,

I mean living must be your whole occupation.

Living is no laughing matter:

you must take it seriously,

so much so and to such a degree

that, for example, your hands tied behind your back,

your back to the wall,

or else in a laboratory

in your white coat and safety glasses,

you can die for people-

even for people whose faces you've never seen,

even though you know living

is the most real, the most beautiful thing.

I mean, you must take living so seriously

that even at seventy, for example, you'll plant olive trees-

and not for your children, either,

but because although you fear death you don't believe it,

because living, I mean, weighs heavier.

II

Let's say you're seriously ill, need surgery -

which is to say we might not get

from the white table.

Even though it's impossible not to feel sad

about going a little too soon,

we'll still laugh at the jokes being told,

we'll look out the window to see it's raining,

or still wait anxiously

for the latest newscast ...

Let's say we're at the front-

for something worth fighting for, say.

There, in the first offensive, on that very day,

we might fall on our face, dead.

We'll know this with a curious anger,

but we'll still worry ourselves to death

about the outcome of the war, which could last years.

Let's say we're in prison

and close to fifty,

and we have eighteen more years, say,

before the iron doors will open.

We'll still live with the outside,

with its people and animals, struggle and wind-

I mean with the outside beyond the walls.

I mean, however and wherever we are,

we must live as if we will never die.

III
This earth will grow cold,

a star among stars

and one of the smallest,

a gilded mote on blue velvet-

I mean this, our great earth.

This earth will grow cold one day,

not like a block of ice

or a dead cloud even

but like an empty walnut it will roll along

in pitch-black space ...

You must grieve for this right now

-you have to feel this sorrow now-

for the world must be loved this much

if you're going to say "I lived" ...

February, 1948
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 17:11 GMT
#3250
On December 25 2013 00:43 sam!zdat wrote:
woooooo take that hegel!!! Nice job man

Thanks, that was a daunting task, even taking into account I didn't get a great deal of what was said in it :/
It's really hard to say something intelligent about it, but I think I can safely argue that what Hegel wanted to do is incredibly ambitious, much more than what was done before and after him under the name of "Logic", at least to my (admittedly limited) understanding.
A question is obviously whether he managed to do what he wanted, and that I really can't tell. But the fact that it was attempted, despite the counsciousness that language is unsufficient for the task, is in itself a lesson, take that Ludwig
The criticisms and reflexions on the history of philosophy were also incredibly insightful, despite the obvious and classic reproach that Hegel's vision of history is much too nice of a narrative.
Being->Nothingness->Becoming is also too strong of an argument in favor of dialectics to ignore, and the exposure of this movement (and quite a few others) was clear once I managed to put my mind to it.

Also I just read Pascal's "Il a quatre laquais" fragment, this is even funnier when you just turn a page and find it...
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 17:25 GMT
#3251
Also Heidegger's What I Called Thinking now seems like a very tempting title. Indeed it seems to me that one of Hegel's big reproach to most philosopher is that they didn't think about thinking itself, but more about what is knowledge, at least that's part of his attack against Kant. The difference between understanding and reason is one of the big theme of the book, but is what is calls Reason really accessible ?
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
packrat386
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States5077 Posts
December 24 2013 17:42 GMT
#3252
Everyone should read "A Christmas Carol" today. So good.
dreaming of a sunny day
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 17:58 GMT
#3253
I am reading the cambridge companion to hegel, it's helped a lot in understanding what hegel is after especially his relationship to kant
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 18:30 GMT
#3254
How hard to read is it ?
I can read quite a lot of stuff in English, but Hegel or Kant would probably be pushing it a lot.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 19:12 GMT
#3255
hard to say, it is much easier than hegel but it is very dense still of course... Maybe there is something in french but I wouldn't know...
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 19:18 GMT
#3256
All I know of is "Introduction à la lecture de Hegel" by Kojève, but I believe it's much more focused. Well, I'll see.
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
December 24 2013 19:38 GMT
#3257
On December 25 2013 02:58 sam!zdat wrote:
I am reading the cambridge companion to hegel, it's helped a lot in understanding what hegel is after especially his relationship to kant


If you haven't already gotten there I recommend skipping the chapter on logic. Burbidge is clueless when it comes to Frege and Russell.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-24 20:17:52
December 24 2013 20:09 GMT
#3258
froggy haha ok, I actually studied frege and russell so maybe I can find out what he says wrong! Probably not though I don't remember a thing from that class except that begriffschrift is a funny word. (edit: that must be the old edition, the chapter on logic is by houlgate)

corum kojeve has his own version of hegel very colored by his marxism, the way I understand it. Probably an interesting book but I wouldn't take it too seriously as strict hegel scholarship, wtf do I know though
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
December 24 2013 20:57 GMT
#3259
That's also what I understood from it. Problem is that French hegelian studies have long only been only about the Phenomenology (which I haven't read), and that not being a philosophy student and not knowing any, I'm not sure where to look for :/
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 21:00 GMT
#3260
sounds like a good opportunity to improve your academic english
shikata ga nai
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