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Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
December 24 2013 22:11 GMT
#3261
Ugh...I have been meaning to read Kojève for years now. Something tells me that once I read his works, I will completely reform the way I think about philosophy and politics.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 24 2013 22:27 GMT
#3262
wouldn't be the first time
shikata ga nai
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
December 25 2013 05:09 GMT
#3263
received this book from a family member for xmas . . .

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The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
porkRaven
Profile Joined December 2010
United States953 Posts
December 25 2013 23:17 GMT
#3264
Well this is what I've been reading for the past couple of days:
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Ham on Rye was the best of them for sure and Women got a tad tiresome near the end. I think I'll be moving on to the rest of his novels then on to poetry of his.
SHOUTOUTS TO Aylear!!!
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 25 2013 23:34 GMT
#3265
I have a question: Which translation of plato? I'm going to get an english one because the brazilians suck. Should I get the Hackett edition with the complete works or buy them individually(I plan to read everything eventually)?
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#3266
for republic I recommend cdc reeve but idk about the others
shikata ga nai
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-25 23:44:00
December 25 2013 23:41 GMT
#3267
On December 26 2013 08:34 dmnum wrote:
I have a question: Which translation of plato? I'm going to get an english one because the brazilians suck. Should I get the Hackett edition with the complete works or buy them individually(I plan to read everything eventually)?


Not a Plato scholar, but I've been told the Cooper and Hutchinson (eds.) is better than most. That's the one I used.

On December 26 2013 08:41 sam!zdat wrote:
for republic I recommend cdc reeve but idk about the others


His translation with Grube is used for the Republic in the collected works.
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 26 2013 00:02 GMT
#3268
On December 26 2013 08:41 frogrubdown wrote:
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On December 26 2013 08:34 dmnum wrote:
I have a question: Which translation of plato? I'm going to get an english one because the brazilians suck. Should I get the Hackett edition with the complete works or buy them individually(I plan to read everything eventually)?


Not a Plato scholar, but I've been told the Cooper and Hutchinson (eds.) is better than most. That's the one I used.

Yeah that's the Hackett edition, from what I read(amazon/good reads) it's the best one if you want a complete version, so I'll probably end up buying that one.

Sucks that only Plato's main works have decent translations that are available here in Brazil, but atleast I'll improve my english.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 26 2013 00:27 GMT
#3269
there's harder things to read than plato, at any rate. It has the advantage of relatively little baggage of philosophical tradition
shikata ga nai
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
December 26 2013 00:55 GMT
#3270
I've read my share of hard english authors(Woolf, Faulkner, Joyce), but I expect the language used in philosophy books to be quite different.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
December 26 2013 01:03 GMT
#3271
I imagine it would be far easier than any of those
shikata ga nai
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-26 04:49:55
December 26 2013 04:26 GMT
#3272
It depends what period you're talking about. The early dialogues (thought to most resemble Socrates' rather than Plato's views) are a complete breeze to read. These include the Crito, Euthyphro, and Laches. Middle period, which starts to deviate and most notably includes the Repbulic, is a bit harder. Some of the later stuff in the Parmenides and Theaetetus is undecipherable.
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
December 27 2013 16:49 GMT
#3273
Just finished reading "Five people you meet in Heaven" by Mitch Albom. What a blast.
Dear Sixsmith...
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
December 29 2013 05:19 GMT
#3274
Does anyone have an opinion on Harold Bloom or James Wood? What are some other literary/cultural critics worth reading?
dmnum
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Brazil6910 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-12-30 05:09:55
December 30 2013 05:06 GMT
#3275
holy shit viy by gogol is terrifying, and I'm not easily scared by movies/books
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
December 30 2013 08:50 GMT
#3276
I haven't read fantasy in years, so lately I decided to go back and re-read three of my favourite fantasy series to see if they still hold up. I still was in high school the first time I read these series, so I was a bit afraid that I would have outgrown some of them (and the genre). I'm relieved to say I needn't have worried, because I'm having a blast - at least for the moment. The series are GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire, Steven Erikson'sMalazan Book of the Fallen, and Scott Lynch's Gentlemen Bastards. (NB: Please don't spoil Republic of Thieves for me, I haven't read it yet!)

I've worked out a rotation, so that I read one book in one series, then one in the next, then one in the next, and then reset the cycle. I'm on my 2nd rotation now, and doing it this way really highlights the differences between each author and reminds me how diverse good writing can be. All three series are fantastic in different ways, and I suppose this applies to all authors, everywhere.

Also, it's just really fun to revisit old friends. I've only recently realized the importance and joy of re-reading; previously I considered it a waste of time. Now I know there are such riches to be mined when you go through a text multiple times.
pedrlz
Profile Joined September 2012
Brazil5234 Posts
December 30 2013 11:38 GMT
#3277
I'm disappointed, I'm hearing how much good Brothers Karamazov is but now I'm like 'yes, it is good' meanwhile I thought I would be reading, if you know what I mean.

I definitely got overhyped about the book. Probably gonna start the Book of Disquiet or Invisible Cities.
Deleuze
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom2102 Posts
December 30 2013 12:55 GMT
#3278
On December 29 2013 14:19 zulu_nation8 wrote:
Does anyone have an opinion on Harold Bloom or James Wood? What are some other literary/cultural critics worth reading?


I have a fairly low opinion of Bloom, I've not really encountered Wood, but I gather it's just the same dull aesthetic appreciationism lacking in any depth or open-mindedness. Bloom's most famous work on the western canon was written from the premise that because there is so much literature out there we need an reified canon or list to enable us to make sure we read quality literature during our short amount of time on this Earth - so he writes his own list of works that we should all read. An interesting premise, however it lacks attention to how people really find out about and find worth in the literature they read, that is, by getting recommendations from their friends for example.

What was it you actually wanted to read and learn? Is there a particular period you are interested in, or an author or movement? Did you want to learn about theory and ways in which people attempt to understand how literature works? IMO if you stick with Bloom and Wood you'll just end up reading their own justification of what they think is good from their own positions, rather than something that is engaged with finding out how things work.
“An image of thought called philosophy has been formed historically and it effectively stops people from thinking.” ― Gilles Deleuze, Dialogues II
farvacola
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States18826 Posts
December 30 2013 16:59 GMT
#3279
Bloom does far more work in establishing the worth behind his brand of reader response criticism than you give him credit. Sure, he's a pretty stilted, old school sort of guy, but it is disengenuous to suggest that Bloom is only recommending books he personally likes.
"when the Dead Kennedys found out they had skinhead fans, they literally wrote a song titled 'Nazi Punks Fuck Off'"
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-02-05 07:09:04
December 30 2013 20:10 GMT
#3280
I'm a third of the way through Bloom's Western Canon, which is the first thing I've read by him. He basically argues that the canon is constructed by pure aesthetic value. He doesn't believe in historicist "social energies" that trace works of individual genius from strict sociopolitical contexts. As such he spends a lot of time chiding feminists and Foucaultians who try to dilute the canon with works that are socially relevant but aesthetically poor. Apparently great literature comes only from responding to other great literature, mostly Shakespeare, and is most of the time morally and politically indifferent or insignificant. The great authors' overwhelming concern is with mortality and nothing else.

Without having read most of the people Bloom devotes time to, I can't identify with his objective view of aesthetic value, and the Pindaric tradition of agon apparently all great literary creation comes from, though Nietzsche talks about this. I like his aristocratic conception of art, which is shared by Jacques Barzun. I also like his prose better than Wood's. There's no specific purpose to my reading, I'm just trying to go through as many American intellectuals as I can from the mid to late 20th century, whether they be literary or cultural critics. I find their writing refreshing after having spent too much time reading 20th century European "intellectuals." If any of you can recommend some others I'd greatly appreciate it.
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