EPTWhat Are You Reading 2013 - Page 155
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sam!zdat
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corumjhaelen
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123Gurke
France154 Posts
On November 13 2013 08:08 corumjhaelen wrote: I haven't read harvey's point, but knowing a bit about people in Grandes Ecoles for instance, it's pretty clear there is a weird mix of uncounscious class interests, conscious ones and things that are somewhat-but-not-completely-conspirationnal. Why do people go in HEC ? Because of the "reseau" (network), and that's what everybody clearly says there. Almost the same in Polytechnique (I should know...). My roomate works in a trading room in Paris, it's pretty fascinating how things work over there. I mean, one of the quant is actually from Normal Sup', wow, what openess ! So it is probably a good thing that I am seeing students at Polytechnique only in the restaurant during lunch  My main point was supposed to be that the French elites do not meet their international counterparts during their education. That you have your own problems with networks is true of course. Fortunately, I do not feel much of this in French academia at the level of research though. @Sam: Good, so we seem to agree on this. Now I can really sleep easily... | ||
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corumjhaelen
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sam!zdat
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corumjhaelen
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sam!zdat
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corumjhaelen
France6884 Posts
Oh, also went into Shakespeare and co today, a pretty famous bookstore in Paris with books in English, never seen such a portion of Derrida book in the philosophy shelves, I'm sure you would have approved ! | ||
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{CC}StealthBlue
United States41117 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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Shiragaku
Hong Kong4308 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img1.imagesbn.com/p/9780679734512_p0_v1_s260x420.JPG) "It was not you who ate the idea, but the idea that ate you." And the person who the novel is largely based off of "The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way." -Sergey Genadievich Nechayev\ http://www.marxists.org/subject/anarchism/nechayev/catechism.htm | ||
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Boblion
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
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YoucriedWolf
Sweden1456 Posts
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
On November 16 2013 08:17 YoucriedWolf wrote: Sam, how did you find John M Allegros work? Was it legit? it's absolutely ludicrous, but really entertaining. edit: I should say, I actually believe there's probably some truth to what he says, but the way he goes about proving it is a little... creative edit: also he argues that there was no historical jesus which I find hard to believe | ||
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ZapRoffo
United States5544 Posts
On November 15 2013 15:22 Shiragaku wrote: I am about to make myself feel miserable, yet...changed in a good way by embarking on this adventure. This may bring me back from the insanity and nihilism that is so tempting to jump within. Though Dostoyevsky is never pleasant to read, he has this amazing way of making you feel much better about yourself. "It was not you who ate the idea, but the idea that ate you." And the person who the novel is largely based off of "The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way." -Sergey Genadievich Nechayev\ http://www.marxists.org/subject/anarchism/nechayev/catechism.htm I need to finish this sometime, problem is he spends so long on exposition and setup that I was worn out from it right when the real action was about to start (which is like halfway through the novel), even though it's pretty good stuff. I wouldn't say it makes you miserable though, the nihilists are never presented in a way you really identify with or could get caught up in, they are pretty much villains. Fathers and Sons, on the other hand, could do that. | ||
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IgnE
United States7681 Posts
On November 16 2013 08:24 sam!zdat wrote: it's absolutely ludicrous, but really entertaining. edit: I should say, I actually believe there's probably some truth to what he says, but the way he goes about proving it is a little... creative edit: also he argues that there was no historical jesus which I find hard to believe what is allegros's work? it depends on what you mean by historical jesus. its kind of like the ship of theseus. how much of what jesus is said to have done did he actually have to do for "jesus" to have existed? | ||
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sam!zdat
United States5559 Posts
no, he argues that there was no person jesus period because he thinks the new testament is all an elaborate mushroom cult code. his reading is just too totalizing. I think it's probably true that the mystery religions used psychoactive substances, that christianity/the essenes were basically mystery cults, and that certain parts of christianity reflect an older tradition which involved the use of such substances (particularly, the eucharist). But I don't think one can read the texts in such a one-dimensional manner as he does. | ||
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frogrubdown
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On November 17 2013 05:18 IgnE wrote: what is allegros's work? it depends on what you mean by historical jesus. its kind of like the ship of theseus. how much of what jesus is said to have done did he actually have to do for "jesus" to have existed? None (Kripke 1980) | ||
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sam!zdat
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