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sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 12 2013 23:01 GMT
#3081
your point about game theory is something I repeat ad nauseam. It's a combination of actual collusion, tacit cooperation, and the bare facts of strategic realities. This is precisely the way in which harvey would want you to think about it
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 12 2013 23:08 GMT
#3082
I haven't read harvey's point, but knowing a bit about people in Grandes Ecoles for instance, it's pretty clear there is a weird mix of uncounscious class interests, conscious ones and things that are somewhat-but-not-completely-conspirationnal. Why do people go in HEC ? Because of the "reseau" (network), and that's what everybody clearly says there. Almost the same in Polytechnique (I should know...). My roomate works in a trading room in Paris, it's pretty fascinating how things work over there. I mean, one of the quant is actually from Normal Sup', wow, what openess !
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
123Gurke
Profile Joined January 2005
France154 Posts
November 12 2013 23:24 GMT
#3083
On November 13 2013 08:08 corumjhaelen wrote:
I haven't read harvey's point, but knowing a bit about people in Grandes Ecoles for instance, it's pretty clear there is a weird mix of uncounscious class interests, conscious ones and things that are somewhat-but-not-completely-conspirationnal. Why do people go in HEC ? Because of the "reseau" (network), and that's what everybody clearly says there. Almost the same in Polytechnique (I should know...). My roomate works in a trading room in Paris, it's pretty fascinating how things work over there. I mean, one of the quant is actually from Normal Sup', wow, what openess !


So it is probably a good thing that I am seeing students at Polytechnique only in the restaurant during lunch

My main point was supposed to be that the French elites do not meet their international counterparts during their education. That you have your own problems with networks is true of course. Fortunately, I do not feel much of this in French academia at the level of research though.

@Sam: Good, so we seem to agree on this. Now I can really sleep easily...
"No," she said, "but sometimes I like to watch."
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 13 2013 16:40 GMT
#3084
So, I finished all the introductions to the Science of Logic, but now my edition has two editions of the book itself, one from 1817, and one from 1827-1830. Does anyone know which I should read ?
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 13 2013 18:39 GMT
#3085
no clue sorry. the later one?
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
November 13 2013 20:12 GMT
#3086
Sounds about right. It's longer though, so I'd guess I'll be crazier after :p
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 13 2013 20:16 GMT
#3087
that's the goal. just remember, the real is rational and the rational is real
shikata ga nai
corumjhaelen
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
France6884 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-13 20:32:05
November 13 2013 20:31 GMT
#3088
I think the circle of circles metaphor is great too.
Oh, also went into Shakespeare and co today, a pretty famous bookstore in Paris with books in English, never seen such a portion of Derrida book in the philosophy shelves, I'm sure you would have approved !
‎numquam se plus agere quam nihil cum ageret, numquam minus solum esse quam cum solus esset
{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
November 13 2013 20:51 GMT
#3089
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"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 13 2013 23:07 GMT
#3090
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shikata ga nai
Shiragaku
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Hong Kong4308 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-15 06:23:05
November 15 2013 06:22 GMT
#3091
I am about to make myself feel miserable, yet...changed in a good way by embarking on this adventure. This may bring me back from the insanity and nihilism that is so tempting to jump within. Though Dostoyevsky is never pleasant to read, he has this amazing way of making you feel much better about yourself.
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"It was not you who ate the idea, but the idea that ate you."

And the person who the novel is largely based off of
"The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way." -Sergey Genadievich Nechayev\
http://www.marxists.org/subject/anarchism/nechayev/catechism.htm
Boblion
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
France8043 Posts
November 15 2013 08:03 GMT
#3092
Nice fellow lol.
fuck all those elitists brb watching streams of elite players.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 15 2013 17:27 GMT
#3093
[image loading]
shikata ga nai
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
November 15 2013 23:17 GMT
#3094
Sam, how did you find John M Allegros work? Was it legit?
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 00:25:07
November 15 2013 23:24 GMT
#3095
On November 16 2013 08:17 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Sam, how did you find John M Allegros work? Was it legit?


it's absolutely ludicrous, but really entertaining.

edit: I should say, I actually believe there's probably some truth to what he says, but the way he goes about proving it is a little... creative

edit: also he argues that there was no historical jesus which I find hard to believe
shikata ga nai
ZapRoffo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5544 Posts
November 16 2013 03:41 GMT
#3096
On November 15 2013 15:22 Shiragaku wrote:
I am about to make myself feel miserable, yet...changed in a good way by embarking on this adventure. This may bring me back from the insanity and nihilism that is so tempting to jump within. Though Dostoyevsky is never pleasant to read, he has this amazing way of making you feel much better about yourself.
[image loading]
"It was not you who ate the idea, but the idea that ate you."

And the person who the novel is largely based off of
"The revolutionary despises public opinion. He despises and hates the existing social morality in all its manifestations. For him, morality is everything which contributes to the triumph of the revolution. Immoral and criminal is everything that stands in its way." -Sergey Genadievich Nechayev\
http://www.marxists.org/subject/anarchism/nechayev/catechism.htm


I need to finish this sometime, problem is he spends so long on exposition and setup that I was worn out from it right when the real action was about to start (which is like halfway through the novel), even though it's pretty good stuff. I wouldn't say it makes you miserable though, the nihilists are never presented in a way you really identify with or could get caught up in, they are pretty much villains. Fathers and Sons, on the other hand, could do that.
Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion man
IgnE
Profile Joined November 2010
United States7681 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 20:19:33
November 16 2013 20:18 GMT
#3097
On November 16 2013 08:24 sam!zdat wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 08:17 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Sam, how did you find John M Allegros work? Was it legit?


it's absolutely ludicrous, but really entertaining.

edit: I should say, I actually believe there's probably some truth to what he says, but the way he goes about proving it is a little... creative

edit: also he argues that there was no historical jesus which I find hard to believe


what is allegros's work? it depends on what you mean by historical jesus. its kind of like the ship of theseus. how much of what jesus is said to have done did he actually have to do for "jesus" to have existed?
The unrealistic sound of these propositions is indicative, not of their utopian character, but of the strength of the forces which prevent their realization.
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 20:26:45
November 16 2013 20:24 GMT
#3098
The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

no, he argues that there was no person jesus period because he thinks the new testament is all an elaborate mushroom cult code. his reading is just too totalizing. I think it's probably true that the mystery religions used psychoactive substances, that christianity/the essenes were basically mystery cults, and that certain parts of christianity reflect an older tradition which involved the use of such substances (particularly, the eucharist). But I don't think one can read the texts in such a one-dimensional manner as he does.
shikata ga nai
frogrubdown
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1266 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-11-16 20:40:25
November 16 2013 20:36 GMT
#3099
On November 17 2013 05:18 IgnE wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 16 2013 08:24 sam!zdat wrote:
On November 16 2013 08:17 YoucriedWolf wrote:
Sam, how did you find John M Allegros work? Was it legit?


it's absolutely ludicrous, but really entertaining.

edit: I should say, I actually believe there's probably some truth to what he says, but the way he goes about proving it is a little... creative

edit: also he argues that there was no historical jesus which I find hard to believe


what is allegros's work? it depends on what you mean by historical jesus. its kind of like the ship of theseus. how much of what jesus is said to have done did he actually have to do for "jesus" to have existed?


None (Kripke 1980)
sam!zdat
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States5559 Posts
November 16 2013 20:53 GMT
#3100
lolol the only thing I would less rather apply to literary criticism than crackpot reconstructive linguistics is analytic philosophy :p
shikata ga nai
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