EPTStar Wars Episode VII: The Force Awakens - Page 192
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Plansix
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B.I.G.
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1) As plansix said the article states that it's an issue with the studios where they are filming and not necessarily the film companies. I obviously don't know the details of how those studios work but I can imagine Disney f.e. pays the studios a fee who in turn provide location and technical staff. Perhaps the studio owners or managers are being greedy or perhaps the studio industry is so oversaturated that movie companies can easily switch studios without penalty and forcing the price down by doing so. Actually, unless Disney (again f.e.) is the owner of said studio (which does not seem to be the case) we can safely say this is a problem of the studio 'industry', not one of the movie or franchise owner's industry. 2) Just because the movie obviously brought in a lot of money doesn't mean it made a lot of profit. | ||
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Plansix
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LegalLord
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The_Red_Viper
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B.I.G.
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LegalLord
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KwarK
United States42685 Posts
Most huge hits, Forrest Gump as a notable example, record no profits or losses. The reason is there are often agreements to give a percentage of the profit to various people, in the case of Forrest Gump the writer. By declaring the film made a loss they can renege on those agreements. There is a reason Harrison Ford insisted on being paid a small share of the gross, rather than a larger share of the profits. He's been in the industry long enough to know that profit is the number left after everyone else has decided there is simply no more money to take. He inserted himself at the front of the queue. I would not be in the least bit surprised if the movie recorded a loss. According to Lucasfilm, Return of the Jedi, despite having earned $475 million at the box office against a budget of $32.5 million, "has never gone into profit". | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
Edit: Kwark, I get that they have weird accounting in Hollywood that doesn’t resemble reality. That is part of the reason why people don’t talk about it, because it is straight up deceptive and it is impossible to tell what is fact. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
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riotjune
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
On January 30 2016 01:19 Plansix wrote: The budget for the film is estimated at $200 million and the marketing at around 300 million. It has pulled in over a billion worldwide, so they would have needed to do some amazing damage to make it not profitable. On January 30 2016 01:32 KwarK wrote: You guys are confusing logic with Hollywood accounting. Whether or not the profits were higher than the costs have very little to do with whether or not it was profitable. Most huge hits, Forrest Gump as a notable example, record no profits or losses. The reason is there are often agreements to give a percentage of the profit to various people, in the case of Forrest Gump the writer. By declaring the film made a loss they can renege on those agreements. There is a reason Harrison Ford insisted on being paid a small share of the gross, rather than a larger share of the profits. He's been in the industry long enough to know that profit is the number left after everyone else has decided there is simply no more money to take. He inserted himself at the front of the queue. I would not be in the least bit surprised if the movie recorded a loss. A brief example of Hollywood accounting: Let's say KwarK T. Liquid is an up and coming actor who gets an offer to star in the big budget movie Galaxy Wars Chronicle 7: Clown Fiesta. He negotiates to get 5% of the profits from the movie and $1 million. Clown Fiesta is filmed for a cost of $200 million. There is a $300 million marketing budget. It's a huge success at the box office and rakes in $ 700 million. KwarK is very happy because he's getting great exposure and thinks he's gonna rake in a shit load of cash (he doesn't really care about the Oscar). Under GAAP/IFRS accounting rules, the movie made a shit load of money. However, in Hollywoodland the studio decides to pay themselves a $100M distribution fee. The director also gets a special $30M fee. Finally, the studio decides to pay themselves a special $70M licensing fee because they hold the rights to DerpusFilms trademarks and IP. All of a sudden, the movie looks like it was a flop! The studio execs sends KwarK a letter with a  face and then drive off in their new matching Ferraris.KwarK is now screwed because he was expecting a payout in the 10's of millions, and he spent his million to buy a slot in the LCS (where his team is now 1-3). | ||
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Plansix
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trulojucreathrma.com
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Roe
Canada6002 Posts
I'd only be repeating others in the usual concerns: another death star which was bigger, more powerful, which was built somehow even after empire was defeated (I wish there was just 2 sentences to explain the galactic political situation as well), Rey wasn't really put in danger and somehow made up skills which she needed to succeed and push the plot forward (force skills, saber, ship flying, etc.). I wish Maz was a puppet like Yoda was (they said they'd use real props wherever they could so I expected this). Poe/Finn escaping and interacting was really fun, but did the first order forget to use the tractor beam? Did the middle of the port really have such little in the way of firepower? Same with Rey escaping in the Falcon, instant explosion of the ship they were going to, yet the shots missed the ship they needed to escape with in order to connect the plot together. This and the middle of the movie was very boring for some reason. Poe was great, Finn too, a couple shots of x wings fighting tie fighters were great. The CGI in general was flawless and well executed. The saber fights, while boosting everyone's skills from what they should've been (Finn really had no experience with sword combat, Rey as well) more gritty and cumbersome as we saw in the originals. But a huge improvement nonetheless from the prequels where everyone is flying around in perfect choreography. Ren seemed appropriate. His character has decent motivations, and his power isn't great as it's implied he needs to complete his training (perhaps a reference to Luke in Ep5). Most of his problems were more to due with Rey's knowledge going outside even the movie universe's logic. Luke's performance was phenomenal. Although the last shot was really awkward and weird, spinning around like that. Which reminds me - anyone really taken out of the movie by the very first shot where a ship moves across the planet? It looked really out of place for some reason. Maybe the script was poisoned by some obvious political/ideological influences? Idk. At least the feminist angle wasn't shoved in your face to an obvious degree. | ||
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xDaunt
United States17988 Posts
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Charoisaur
Germany15960 Posts
On April 16 2016 11:09 xDaunt wrote: So JJ Abrams just said that "Rey's parents do not appear in Episode 7." What a mindfuck if true. Uh we already saw Episode 7. They aren't there. | ||
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Chewbacca.
United States3634 Posts
On April 16 2016 12:24 Charoisaur wrote: Uh we already saw Episode 7. They aren't there. Well, quite a few popular theories said they were. | ||
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Manit0u
Poland17257 Posts
On January 30 2016 10:59 trulojucreathrma.com wrote: If you want a normal person to do a review on this movie: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkROodtbVMA I kind of fell asleep 3 minutes into this. The guy takes so long to finish a sentence that before he's done your mind has already drifted somewhere else and you have no idea what he's been talking about for the past minute... | ||
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Hexe
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