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BurningSera
Ireland19621 Posts
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
Liszt said, as an artist, you don't rake in a million marks without performing some sacrifice on the altar of Art. If you need to make all that money or else Disney goes broke, at every crossroad, you can never follow your instincts of what the movie needs to be the best story possible, ever. At least in a normal Hollywood blockbuster, at least at some point a director can make a decision that's favourable for the quality of the movie, based on their instincts as an artist. JJ Abrams must at every point have decided 'What makes the most money' or at least 'What do they Disney executives want?'. Put yourself in the spot of being on the board of Disney, with for good or bad, quote a legacy. You now have a 4 billion hole that needs to be filled. You have a 4 billion bet on the poker table. Can you really pick art over money? Even if it is about ethics, it is unethical to risk all that much money. People are going to lose their jobs when you make Disney go bankrupt just to make some artsy movie no one is going to watch. The only thing what Lucas ever motivated is 'This is never going to be a hit, but I want to tell this story." and he had to fight the studio tooth and nail to not get it canceled. In fact, even Lucas doesn't even like his Star Wars movies. (though not sure what flaws he things he can obviously see and what he cringes about when he saw the finished problem, especially based on his prequels and his comments there when on set) About 99 more people did the same thing, their movies sucked or got canceled. | ||
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zachman
Canada8 Posts
On January 28 2016 19:38 kwizach wrote: The initial release date for Pirates 5 was the 7th of July though, so the releases were already pretty spaced out. edit: I pretty much agree with all that's in here (well, I reserve judgment on the title itself): + Show Spoiler + Very true stuff, im the type of viewer that is not able to see these issues in movies myself. That being said illenjoy the movie some more, but it would be cool if society could accept a remake of this movie so the others are not trying to salvage the mess. | ||
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LegalLord
United States13779 Posts
1. It copied too much from the originals. 2. It didn't copy enough from the originals. Watched about 7 minutes then got sick of it. Doesn't even bring up a good argument, just "it wasn't what I imagined it might be." Well guess what, that's pretty much a given. No highly anticipated sequel comes without expectations, and by virtue of that it can fail to deliver. | ||
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kwizach
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Beelzebub1
1005 Posts
The movie just sucked, flat out, beyond the myriad of terrible plot holes and cliche dialogue choices (as well as questionable acting from Fisher) it was a disappoint on all fronts. Bad acting, bad writing, plot holes that would make Swiss Cheese envious and lots of explosions. Sounds like a typical J.J. movie, the dude can't direct for shit. | ||
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B.I.G.
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Beelzebub1
1005 Posts
On January 29 2016 17:21 B.I.G. wrote: Saying the movie sucks in every aspect and saying JJ Abrams can't direct for shit (although you won't hear me claim he's amazing or anything) just makes you sound bitter. Why do negative reviews so often turn into hateful bashing.. I'm not bitter at all lol I'm merely stating an opinion even if it is a strong one, as someone who is knowledgeable about the Starwars universe and a fan of the movies my opinion is that beyond the movie just sucking compared to the other SW it just sucked in general due to bad story/script writing. Also, the guy really can't direct, name me a good movie besides Armageddon from JJ that was any good at all? All of the Mission Impossibles were bad, Cloverfield was just terrible, his early 90's works were bad too, the guy is just no Steven Spielberg. I don't hate the man but he didn't do the SW franchise any justice. | ||
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shin_toss
Philippines2589 Posts
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
I don't think he directed Geddon tho (according to wiki). | ||
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NukeD
Croatia1612 Posts
On January 29 2016 18:28 Salteador Neo wrote: IMO Geddon was much worse than any of the Star Trek or MI3, all fun movies. Also Super 8 was ok. I don't think he directed Geddon tho (according to wiki). Is it really so hard to write Armageddon? Geddon?!?!?!!? Seriously........  | ||
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The_Red_Viper
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Salteador Neo
Andorra5591 Posts
On January 29 2016 19:22 NukeD wrote: Is it really so hard to write Armageddon? Geddon?!?!?!!? Seriously........ That's how we call it in the MTG world  | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
On January 29 2016 12:14 LegalLord wrote: My god, what a poorly thought out criticism. It essentially boils down to two points: 1. It copied too much from the originals. 2. It didn't copy enough from the originals. Watched about 7 minutes then got sick of it. Doesn't even bring up a good argument, just "it wasn't what I imagined it might be." Well guess what, that's pretty much a given. No highly anticipated sequel comes without expectations, and by virtue of that it can fail to deliver. It all boils down to most people wanting explosions, laser blasts, space ships buzzing around and zOMG the Millenial Falcon. People respond to that, but it has zero substance. So they respond positively anyway, regardless of that. People that want actual storytelling, like all 6 previous movies actually had, will disappointed. So yes, it copied everything that's bad to copy, ditched everything that's good to copy. I mean, you can copy ANH two ways. You can copy ANH and do an original story in an original setting that on one dares to fund, and thus copy the spirit of ANH. Or you can copy ANH by literally rehashing the plot trying to ignite the nostalgia value and good feelings people got from the first time they watched ANH. I would bet my 200 million dollar on the latter strategy. But, when you are a sophisticated person, you'd be critical of such a movie, even if you liked the ride. When JJ Abrams ruined Star Trek I was mad. But Star Wars is my guilty pleasure. as I don't think highly of it as an form of art. It is just fun. I think of it as not having substance. Turns out JJ Abrams can make a fanfic Star Wars that makes original Star Wars seem to have substance anyway. Abrams is just very good at what he tries to do: overload the average ADHD kid with the attention span of a goldfish with action shots. But when I sit down with Abrams I can actually have a meaningful conversation about movies, and we can come to an agreement and a deeper understanding. With the intelligence and attitude of the average person onlire, all that happens is that both sides get frustrated and annoyed. I had zero expectations from this movie. When I was in theatre I just enjoyed it for what it was. But when you look back at it as an intellectual, I have to be critical. But then again I am an elitist in a world where almost everyone is overweight from overeating because they can't control their urges, the Kardassians are the biggest role models for our children, etc etc. Would be a miracle if the average stupid person out there suddenly is an enlightened art critic when it comes to the latest Hollywood movie. Furthermore, when it was once kind of trendy to be a snob, nowadays with all the internet celebrities on Youtube, everyone has to be superpositive about everything to be a popular online person. I am not trying to be a popular online personality. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
On January 29 2016 12:14 LegalLord wrote: My god, what a poorly thought out criticism. It essentially boils down to two points: 1. It copied too much from the originals. 2. It didn't copy enough from the originals. Watched about 7 minutes then got sick of it. Doesn't even bring up a good argument, just "it wasn't what I imagined it might be." Well guess what, that's pretty much a given. No highly anticipated sequel comes without expectations, and by virtue of that it can fail to deliver. I don’t know why I click on it either. And why is it 20 minutes long? The guy clearly knows how to use editing software. But youtube has an unlimited number of “all thing things that are wrong with BLANK” available for all of us. On another note, it appears the production of the next one could be delayed further due to a labor dispute. http://www.esquire.com/entertainment/movies/a41614/more-bad-news-for-star-wars-episode-8-crew-strikes-could-delay-film-further/ I can’t say I blame the folks threatening to strike. A 4 year pay freeze is no joke. Hopefully that gets resolved, because it could delay more than just Star Wars. | ||
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
Corporations are forced to be psychopaths by the law. Wait, I forgot that TFA didn't make a profit. This so-called feminism propaganda movie, Disney paid Harrison Ford 76x as much as Daisy Ridley. If you want to do feminist propaganda, Disney, take a female actress that looks no better than the average person. Wait till she is 45. Write a flawed character for her. Then put her in your 200 million dollar blockbuster, don't put crazy makeup on her, and pay her the salary that comes with being the lead in a 200 million blockbuster aka the highest paid actor that year (female's still get paid like half, even if they are superfamous and leads and carry the movie). | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
Maybe they should have paid Lucas less, their people more. Or maybe they should quit the fraudulent 'Hollywood accounting', and give everyone a bonus if the movie makes a profit. | ||
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Plansix
United States60190 Posts
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trulojucreathrma.com
United States327 Posts
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