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On December 30 2015 03:59 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. His direct quote is "Never. I'll never turn to the dark side." I'd say that's pretty clear. Maybe you thought he was lying or mistaken, but that's definitely not how I took it. I think his total rejection of the dark side is his great victory, the greatest personal victory of the series aside from maybe Vader's turn back to the light. A better motive for Luke to go into seclusion is that he became a total pacifist - this is not clear, but it makes a lot more sense to me. In RotJ, he relates rejecting the dark side with rejecting violence when he throws away his lightsaber. If he was just teaching his new apprentices the ways of the force without any combat training, the force as a religion rather than a tool to fulfil a "keepers of the peace" role, then his seclusion makes more sense.
You know the character can say things that are straight up not true or is just something they believe? Your interpretation is valid, but that is not the only way to view that scene. There is no "correct" way to view it. I don't see Luke as being immune to the dark side forever, especially after all his students were killed.
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On December 30 2015 03:59 FuzzyJAM wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. His direct quote is "Never. I'll never turn to the dark side." I'd say that's pretty clear. Maybe you thought he was lying or mistaken, but that's definitely not how I took it. I think his total rejection of the dark side is his great victory, the greatest personal victory of the series aside from maybe Vader's turn back to the light. A better motive for Luke to go into seclusion is that he became a total pacifist - this is not clear, but it makes a lot more sense to me. In RotJ, he relates rejecting the dark side with rejecting violence when he throws away his lightsaber. If he was just teaching his new apprentices the ways of the force without any combat training, the force as a religion rather than a tool to fulfil a "keepers of the peace" role, then his seclusion makes more sense.
Someone can offer you a bribe and you can say "I'll never take your money" but that statement (and belief at the time) does not make you immune to bribery.
He rejects the Dark side at that point in time for sure but it doesn't make it an absolute statement for all future events.
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On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future.
Now you are just talking shit about the old movies to make the new movie look good.
You act and talk like a troll!
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On December 30 2015 04:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. Now you are just talking shit about the old movies to make the new movie look good. You act and talk like a troll!
wat. How is the part you quoted talking shit about the old movies? It's a different interpretation than Fuzzy's, but it's not a denigrating interpretation.
Ah. I had forgotten this. Lawrence Kasdan also thought Han Solo should've died in Return of the Jedi. So I guess it was pretty inevitable that bringing Kasdan and Ford back on again, this was the route the movie was going to go.
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The conclusion of his character arc is a 100% certain rejection of the dark side. To my mind, it rather undermines his arc if he's just kidding himself or lying. The problem is that such a character isn't all that interesting and doesn't have much room to develop: he reaches his endpoint in RotJ. Which is why he probably shouldn't even be in the film (from a purely artistic standpoint - from marketing and so on, of course he should), just as I don't think Han worked well either. Or the film needs a total rewrite to make the original characters work in a way I don't think negates their prior arcs and still keeps them interesting. I really feel like the whole film just negates the originals, actually. Feels like a rejection of the originals and how they concluded rather than a continuation.
Of course others are free to see things differently and think it's more interesting if what characters believe is their ultimate victory actually wasn't true at all. It's not something I'd like, but if others do then that's up to them. I mean, I think Luacas's understanding of what mattered in the OT (as demonstrated by his prequels) is often awful, so it'd be hypocritical if I didn't allow others to disagree with me as a random fan. 
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On December 30 2015 04:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. Now you are just talking shit about the old movies to make the new movie look good. You act and talk like a troll!
Welcome to the club .
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On December 30 2015 04:22 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. Now you are just talking shit about the old movies to make the new movie look good. You act and talk like a troll!
The first three Star Wars films are wonderfully flawed movies that I enjoy to this day. I have bought several copies of them over the era. But I am also someone who loves all cinema and fully aware that the films are not well acted at spots and do not have amazing writing. But they captured my imagination like no other films. But they are not perfect or any less flawed TFA.
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Luke kinda goes to the dark side in Legends... (spoiler alert, he becomes good again, etc.). He's also hands down one of the most powerful Jedi ever, with the caveat that he's weaker than Jorus C'boath (at the time) and there's a lot of stupidly powerful Force users throughout non-canonland. But him being a reclusive little bitch after confronting Darth Vader + Emperor seems like way too much plot no jutsu or whatever, did his balls just shrivel up and disappear?
It's not that TFA was just shitty as a whole, there was just a combination of it not being original enough and having a few too many plot holes and leaps of logic to make it good. If we're hopping into a whole new world like we did in Episode 4, sure, make up whatever you want. If you're gonna go 30 years later and it feels like 500 years later with a few old characters frozen in carbonite and unfrozen just for the occasion it doesn't feel good. C3PO and R2D2 (who was basically dormat) probably have fucking deja vu.
I'm have no idea how TFA was written, but it seems like they went for the "we gotta make it approachable to old fans and new fans in China (because $$$) both" and kind of ended up in an awkward place between the two. There are some beautiful, nostalgic tributes like the shots of the Star Destroyers and planets, but there are equally shitty moments like the capital of the Republic (whose name I can't remember b/c i really didn't care about it) being blown up (which should have been basically as much of a holy fuck moment as Alderaan) which utterly lacked gravitas and dramatic effect. IDK, my feelings are confused.
One of my fave books is Under Heaven by Guy Gavriel Kay. He wrote a sequel to it called River of Stars, which sadly wasn't that great, that takes place 30 years later (or something like that). Despite its flaws, it does a nice job of connecting to the novel before without making me go "gee this is the same book but not really but actually it is maybe I should just reread the other one instead".
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On December 30 2015 04:31 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 04:22 sharkie wrote:On December 30 2015 03:44 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 03:26 FuzzyJAM wrote:On December 30 2015 02:22 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 02:20 Deathstar wrote:On December 30 2015 01:46 Plansix wrote:On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote:
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason. I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been. Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play. Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren. To me, the point of the last fight in RotJ is that Luke will "never" turn to the dark side, regardless of temptation. That's one of the best moments of the whole series. If the problem for Luke was that he feared turning, then we remove yet another great element of the OT by saying his character arc never happened, or he's not aware of it despite the fact that he very clearly stated it at the end. I never took it that way. I always took it as he resisted the temptation to finish off his father, but just barely. And the subversive nature of the Dark Side, that the thing that brought him closest to falling with the love for his sister. Luke declares he will never turn, that he is a Jedi, like his father before him. But his father fell after becoming a Jedi. I never took it as Luke will never fall to the dark side in the future. Now you are just talking shit about the old movies to make the new movie look good. You act and talk like a troll! The first three Star Wars films are wonderfully flawed movies that I enjoy to this day. I have bought several copies of them over the era. But I am also someone who loves all cinema and fully aware that the films are not well acted at spots and do not have amazing writing. But they captured my imagination like no other films. But they are not perfect or any less flawed TFA.
Hm. . .Carrie Fisher is mostly pretty bad, but I actually think Mark Hamill was a fine actor. Mostly quite understated, but I think it works, particularly as a contrast with Harrison Ford. I also think the script works well, with genuine pathos and struggle and a perfect amount of humour. There are some definite plot holes, but for what the film is I think it's about as good as you can get. Of course, I first watched it when I was five, and while I still love the films, maybe I wouldn't if I didn't have that experience as a child. Who can tell?
I think the main issue with TFA, as alluded to by ticklishmusic, is that it had a much harder task than the originals, so it's not surprising if it falls short in a lot more ways. It has to somehow work with two wildly different trilogies, one of which many people think is trash and at best is seen as mediocre, whilst appealing to both a new audience and an old one, and diehard fans and casual viewers, and use beloved characters that have completed their arcs along with a universe that has to have a 30 year gap, and appear fresh whilst also staying true, and appeal to marketing as much as artistry (somewhat a problem with OT, but in a different way), and so on and so on. What I deem the failings of TFA are mostly related to the task set rather than bad filmmaking per se. I think it could definitely have resolved those tensions in a better way, but given that most people seem to love it, I guess it's hard to say it failed in its aims - it just wasn't aimed at me or others like me.
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I had some problems with the new movie after first seeing it (some plot holes, lack of proper context for big events, etc), but I liked it a lot more after seeing it again. Pretty much all of my friends who have seen it twice have said the same thing. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between first and subsequent viewings, but this is a movie that should hold up well.
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I'm curious, why has this movie been blasted with 1's in IMDB? Spoiled fans of the original? What happened here?
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On December 30 2015 07:59 ApocAlypsE007 wrote:
I'm curious, why has this movie been blasted with 1's in IMDB? Spoiled fans of the original? What happened here?
The internet is happening. There is a very set group of people on the internet that if they do not like a thing, they will bomb any rating system they can. See youtube votes, comments, Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes and Amazon reviews. And then after bombing the rating, they will cite it saying "look at all the people that hate this, it must be bad."
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What might be happening is that people are reacting to another case of ratings inflation experienced by huge blockbusters on imdb.
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1 stars from the people pale in comparison to the nonsense 10 star reviews everywhere from "legitimate" """""""movie critics."""""""
Hey, wait up. Didn’t 1983's Return of the Jedi feature Ewoks dancing their fluffy tails off over the demise of Darth Vader and the defeat of the Empire. Yeah, but what would a Star Wars movie be without evil? So Abrams and cowriters Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan (he co-wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) provide a doozy. A fresh malevolence called the First Order has emerged from the ruins of the Empire. Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis by motion capture) operates out of a space station that makes the Death Star look like a Lego. His villainous young protégé is Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), a masked figure who communes so regularly with Vader's mangled helmet that a long future in therapy is a given. The bald-faced attempt to clone Vader, one of the greatest badasses in film history, is clankingly obvious, but Driver, masked and unmasked, gives him hypnotic and haunting contours.
As any Star Wars fan knows, bloodlines are crucial to the plot. And there are times when everyone seems related to everyone else. (The Lucas template is drawn from sources as diverse as the Bible, Shakespeare, Oedipus Rex and Road Runner cartoons.) Bad things happen to those who issue spoilers about this franchise. But I will say this: The action, from lightsaber duels to X-wing dogfights with TIE Fighters, is explosive and buoyed by John Williams' exultant score. And the movie is also funny as hell. Abrams knows how to build a laugh and fill the emotional spaces between words. He's a fanboy who knows what fanboys want, but he also delivers the goods for the rest of us. Giving starring roles to a black man, a white woman and a Latino is the right idea that could have gone seriously wrong; instead, it's quietly history making.
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Taking Luke’s seat, as the main protagonist, is Daisy Ridley. She straps herself in, swats aside any vestige of Mark Hamill, and takes command of the movie. Her character is Rey, a scrap-metal scavenger by trade, stranded without a family on the dusty planet of Jakku. “Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth,” she says, with the calm assurance of someone who knows herself to be solid flesh and blood. Frankly, she is twice the guy he ever was. Ridley is given plenty to do before she even delivers a line: proof not just that Abrams trusts her but that his obedience to the basic laws of action movies is intact. (We first saw it in “Super 8,” which also had a female presence, Elle Fanning, at its core. “Women always figure out the truth,” we hear in the new movie. George Lucas, look and learn.) Our first glance of any new performer, watching simply how she or he walks across the screen, can be more instructive than anything else—far more than the utterance of dialogue. Ridley has a firm gait, a determined sprint, and a talent for ad-hoc sand sledding, and Rey needs no help from anyone, thank you very much. “Stop taking my hand!” she cries, fleeing a fracas in the company of a stranger.
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Many one star reviews does mean that the movie or game has at least one glaring flaw that alienates the fanbase, thats why I'm curious. Take for example Mass Effect 3, only the ending caused many people to auto 1 it. Maybe the story is similar to ep4, maybe + Show Spoiler +, but it doesnt warrant an angry 1 o_O
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You don't have to spoiler stuff in this thread btw.
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On December 30 2015 05:44 xDaunt wrote:
I had some problems with the new movie after first seeing it (some plot holes, lack of proper context for big events, etc), but I liked it a lot more after seeing it again. Pretty much all of my friends who have seen it twice have said the same thing. I'm not entirely sure what the difference is between first and subsequent viewings, but this is a movie that should hold up well.
I'm guessing a lot of people felt their enjoyment undermined by thinking "What the fuck is X, Y, Z?" and then read up on it online and, armed with the missing context the film doesn't provide, the film itself is more enjoyable.
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On December 30 2015 08:33 Deathstar wrote:1 stars from the people pale in comparison to the nonsense 10 star reviews everywhere from "legitimate" """""""movie critics.""""""" Show nested quote +Hey, wait up. Didn’t 1983's Return of the Jedi feature Ewoks dancing their fluffy tails off over the demise of Darth Vader and the defeat of the Empire. Yeah, but what would a Star Wars movie be without evil? So Abrams and cowriters Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan (he co-wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) provide a doozy. A fresh malevolence called the First Order has emerged from the ruins of the Empire. Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis by motion capture) operates out of a space station that makes the Death Star look like a Lego. His villainous young protégé is Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), a masked figure who communes so regularly with Vader's mangled helmet that a long future in therapy is a given. The bald-faced attempt to clone Vader, one of the greatest badasses in film history, is clankingly obvious, but Driver, masked and unmasked, gives him hypnotic and haunting contours.
As any Star Wars fan knows, bloodlines are crucial to the plot. And there are times when everyone seems related to everyone else. (The Lucas template is drawn from sources as diverse as the Bible, Shakespeare, Oedipus Rex and Road Runner cartoons.) Bad things happen to those who issue spoilers about this franchise. But I will say this: The action, from lightsaber duels to X-wing dogfights with TIE Fighters, is explosive and buoyed by John Williams' exultant score. And the movie is also funny as hell. Abrams knows how to build a laugh and fill the emotional spaces between words. He's a fanboy who knows what fanboys want, but he also delivers the goods for the rest of us. Giving starring roles to a black man, a white woman and a Latino is the right idea that could have gone seriously wrong; instead, it's quietly history making. atlantic Show nested quote +Taking Luke’s seat, as the main protagonist, is Daisy Ridley. She straps herself in, swats aside any vestige of Mark Hamill, and takes command of the movie. Her character is Rey, a scrap-metal scavenger by trade, stranded without a family on the dusty planet of Jakku. “Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth,” she says, with the calm assurance of someone who knows herself to be solid flesh and blood. Frankly, she is twice the guy he ever was. Ridley is given plenty to do before she even delivers a line: proof not just that Abrams trusts her but that his obedience to the basic laws of action movies is intact. (We first saw it in “Super 8,” which also had a female presence, Elle Fanning, at its core. “Women always figure out the truth,” we hear in the new movie. George Lucas, look and learn.) Our first glance of any new performer, watching simply how she or he walks across the screen, can be more instructive than anything else—far more than the utterance of dialogue. Ridley has a firm gait, a determined sprint, and a talent for ad-hoc sand sledding, and Rey needs no help from anyone, thank you very much. “Stop taking my hand!” she cries, fleeing a fracas in the company of a stranger. new yorker
If I forced to choose between
A: New Yorker
vs
B:1000 randos who take the time to review on IMDB,
to obtain information on a movie I might want to see, I pick the New Yorker 100 times out of 100. And I don't care for the New Yorker's movie reviews, tbh.
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On December 30 2015 09:33 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 08:33 Deathstar wrote:1 stars from the people pale in comparison to the nonsense 10 star reviews everywhere from "legitimate" """""""movie critics.""""""" Hey, wait up. Didn’t 1983's Return of the Jedi feature Ewoks dancing their fluffy tails off over the demise of Darth Vader and the defeat of the Empire. Yeah, but what would a Star Wars movie be without evil? So Abrams and cowriters Michael Arndt and Lawrence Kasdan (he co-wrote The Empire Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi) provide a doozy. A fresh malevolence called the First Order has emerged from the ruins of the Empire. Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis by motion capture) operates out of a space station that makes the Death Star look like a Lego. His villainous young protégé is Kylo Ren (Adam Driver), a masked figure who communes so regularly with Vader's mangled helmet that a long future in therapy is a given. The bald-faced attempt to clone Vader, one of the greatest badasses in film history, is clankingly obvious, but Driver, masked and unmasked, gives him hypnotic and haunting contours.
As any Star Wars fan knows, bloodlines are crucial to the plot. And there are times when everyone seems related to everyone else. (The Lucas template is drawn from sources as diverse as the Bible, Shakespeare, Oedipus Rex and Road Runner cartoons.) Bad things happen to those who issue spoilers about this franchise. But I will say this: The action, from lightsaber duels to X-wing dogfights with TIE Fighters, is explosive and buoyed by John Williams' exultant score. And the movie is also funny as hell. Abrams knows how to build a laugh and fill the emotional spaces between words. He's a fanboy who knows what fanboys want, but he also delivers the goods for the rest of us. Giving starring roles to a black man, a white woman and a Latino is the right idea that could have gone seriously wrong; instead, it's quietly history making. atlantic Taking Luke’s seat, as the main protagonist, is Daisy Ridley. She straps herself in, swats aside any vestige of Mark Hamill, and takes command of the movie. Her character is Rey, a scrap-metal scavenger by trade, stranded without a family on the dusty planet of Jakku. “Luke Skywalker? I thought he was a myth,” she says, with the calm assurance of someone who knows herself to be solid flesh and blood. Frankly, she is twice the guy he ever was. Ridley is given plenty to do before she even delivers a line: proof not just that Abrams trusts her but that his obedience to the basic laws of action movies is intact. (We first saw it in “Super 8,” which also had a female presence, Elle Fanning, at its core. “Women always figure out the truth,” we hear in the new movie. George Lucas, look and learn.) Our first glance of any new performer, watching simply how she or he walks across the screen, can be more instructive than anything else—far more than the utterance of dialogue. Ridley has a firm gait, a determined sprint, and a talent for ad-hoc sand sledding, and Rey needs no help from anyone, thank you very much. “Stop taking my hand!” she cries, fleeing a fracas in the company of a stranger. new yorker If I forced to choose between A: New Yorker vs B:1000 randos who take the time to review on IMDB, to obtain information on a movie I might want to see, I pick the New Yorker 100 times out of 100. And I don't care for the New Yorker's movie reviews, tbh.
The New Yorker might be better on average, but his was point was that this time it certainly wasn't.
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I have no problems with that review or assessment of Rey when compaired to whiney Luke in the first movie. And the reviewer is entitled to like Rey more than Luke. It's ok.
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