On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
Can you please stop taking the posts mentioning the board game out of their context? This was a discussion about whether or not there was definite fan service in the movie. The board game was mentioned as an example of such fan service. That's not nitpicking, that's proving a point.
Also, just because something is not significant to you doesn't make it "nitpicking" when someone else has a problem with it.
On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
On December 30 2015 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote: So they showed the game for a few seconds, so what?
That one definitely was drawn-out, maybe 2 seconds too much, but that's exactly the type of shit that irks people, including me lol
Yes, but discussions on that point are going to degrade down to “It bothered me,” vs “It didn’t bother me.”
I totally respect that it bothered you. That was one of the most prominent placement of the “call back” moments, with the exception of the trench scene. But none of the call back moments bothered me, since they were mostly set dressing or in the background.
Yeah i cannot understand that type of criticism at all. Some things are simply part of the lore/history/whatever you wanna call it in star wars. Showing the game and the trainings sphere didn't distract from anything really, they showed it was still there. Would you have been happy if they had something else? Maybe a Jar Jar Bings action figure would have been better? Yes?
You can call it fanservice, and it was fanservice if we talk strictly about the definition i guess. But the movie didn't make a big deal out of it, it was there because it actually made sense to be there. What is the big deal?
I mean you can be bothered by whatever you like, but these things didn't make the movie worse on an 'objective level'...
On December 30 2015 00:27 Plansix wrote: They can’t have Han by himself without explaining what happened with Leia and frankly they can be setting her up for the next film. Also it gives them time to talk about how Ren went to the dark side. You know, the main villain, reason for the state of the universe and why Luke is in hiding.
Not really important stuff.
Explaining where Leia is: Senate or a Diplomatic Mission (if you want her alive ). One sentence you can drop at various places in the movie.
All the other stuff? Random girl that Han had a child with.
Bringing in Leia was fine, if Leia would actually have had something to do.
On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
Can you please stop taking the posts mentioning the board game out of their context? This was a discussion about whether or not there was definite fan service in the movie. The board game was mentioned as an example of such fan service. That's not nitpicking, that's proving a point.
Also, just because something is not significant to you doesn't make it "nitpicking" when someone else has a problem with it.
You said "we literally got OT memorabilia shoved in our faces several times" SHOVED IN OUR FACES, that implies it was badly handled. You then say the board game is one of the more noticeable ones, which means here that it was one of the bad fanservice scenes. Oh so when somebody has a problem with there being X-Wings that wouldn't be dumb criticism/nitpicking ? I guess no matter what somebody has to say, it is ALWAYS valid. No that's not how this works, even if it is distracting for that one person, that doesn't change the 'fact' if something was handled well or not.
On December 30 2015 00:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: You can call it fanservice, and it was fanservice if we talk strictly about the definition i guess.
This was what the discussion was about. Thanks for agreeing with me.
On December 30 2015 00:52 The_Red_Viper wrote: it was there because it actually made sense to be there. What is the big deal?
The table was there because it made sense for it to be there, but there was no reason to show the actual dojarik game except as fan service. It's not a big deal, I just want to call it like it is.
On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote: The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
No absolutely not. But some of this "criticism" is ludicrous. "hey they showed the board game for like 4 seconds" Really? It being on the ship was a problem for some guys here? That is pretty much the definition of nitpicking.
Can you please stop taking the posts mentioning the board game out of their context? This was a discussion about whether or not there was definite fan service in the movie. The board game was mentioned as an example of such fan service. That's not nitpicking, that's proving a point.
Also, just because something is not significant to you doesn't make it "nitpicking" when someone else has a problem with it.
You said "we literally got OT memorabilia shoved in our faces several times" SHOVED IN OUR FACES, that implies it was badly handled. You then say the board game is one of the more noticeable ones, which means here that it was one of the bad fanservice scenes.
It was an example of OT memorabilia being shoved in our faces, yes. There was literally a close-up to bring our faces closer to the holographic characters. I'm happy for you that it did not bother you in the slightest. It didn't bother me a lot, it simply took me out of the movie for a second because of how blatant of a wink at the OT it was.
On December 30 2015 00:27 Plansix wrote: They can’t have Han by himself without explaining what happened with Leia and frankly they can be setting her up for the next film. Also it gives them time to talk about how Ren went to the dark side. You know, the main villain, reason for the state of the universe and why Luke is in hiding.
Not really important stuff.
Explaining where Leia is: Senate or a Diplomatic Mission (if you want her alive ). One sentence you can drop at various places in the movie.
All the other stuff? Random girl that Han had a child with.
Bringing in Leia was fine, if Leia would actually have had something to do.
She doesn’t need to have a lot to do, its not her movie. Luke does have a lot to do either. They already went on the heroes journey, its about new characters this time around. Han fills the role of Obiwan, facing the failings of his past and attempting to correct them, but the movie isn't completely about him. Its really about him preparing the heroes for when he isn't going to be around.
I watched it last night. It was pretty dull. I wasn't ever really drawn into what was going on. I mean it was alright and all but I didn't really care about the plight of the resistance when the giant laser was charging or whatever so that's an issue.
Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
If that is going to be the plot of the second movie, dear god save us all. That's the worst theory I have read about Luke so far lol.
Kwark is right, Luke being away makes literally no sense at all.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
If that is going to be the plot of the second movie, dear god save us all. That's the worst theory I have read about Luke so far lol.
Kwark is right, Luke being away makes literally no sense at all.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Luke exiled himself after Ren's fall instead of fixing it. Knowing he would make it worse (by murdering him in rather dark ways) is one of the most likely reasons for his self imposed exile.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
Hahaha jar jar Abrams will forever be his name if that happens
Well Abrams isn't directing the next film. Rian Johnson of Brink and Looper is. He is also writing the screen play.
Edit: I would also point out that Luke was always at risk of falling to the dark side, which was the point of that last fight in Jedi. And its not like they have anyone else to train new Jedi if Luke can't stop Ren.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
If that is going to be the plot of the second movie, dear god save us all. That's the worst theory I have read about Luke so far lol.
Kwark is right, Luke being away makes literally no sense at all.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Luke exiled himself after Ren's fall instead of fixing it. Knowing he would make it worse (by murdering him in rather dark ways) is one of the most likely reasons for his self imposed exile.
On December 30 2015 01:34 KwarK wrote: Also to nitpick, if I sent my son off to a training camp and he came back a radicalized member of ISIS who'd already bombed a few places I'd be really pissed with the guy running that camp. Also are we supposed to think Luke doesn't know that a lot is at stake while he's on his exile. He left knowing what was going on for his own reasons. Now we find him and go "hey, shit is pretty bad, please come back" and expect him to go "oh, it's bad? Shit, sorry, I thought things were good, that's why I've been chilling over here for so long but if they're bad I'll totally come back. My bad, this one is totally on me. I hope nothing really bad happened while I was gone, I mean I felt this big thing in the force a few days ago which might have been hundreds of billions of people dying at once but I figured it was probably just gas". If he's gone he's gone for a reason.
I am pretty sure that is going to be filled in. But I bet Luke fears he will be turned to the dark side if he faces Ren. That he won’t be able to control his angry and betrayal, kill Ren and then become a larger threat than Ren would ever have been.
If that is going to be the plot of the second movie, dear god save us all. That's the worst theory I have read about Luke so far lol.
Kwark is right, Luke being away makes literally no sense at all.
It actually makes a lot of sense. Luke exiled himself after Ren's fall instead of fixing it. Knowing he would make it worse (by murdering him in rather dark ways) is one of the most likely reasons for his self imposed exile.
Luke is not Anakin wtf
So name another likely reason for Luke to go into exile right after Ren murders the rest of his students.
edit: The other likely reason being he wanted nothing else to do with any of it but that is kind of a huge dick move to do before fixing the Ren situation.
EPT
). One sentence you can drop at various places in the movie.
