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On December 29 2015 23:34 kwizach wrote:
what about the game of dejarik that suddenly appeared on the table?
I think we can all agree they went overboard on that one lol
Edit: on the poll, being disappointed implies having higher expectations, which in this case would be foolish as in "what were you expecting ?".
There's a lot of BS in TFA, there's a lot of BS in the OT.
The callbacks were never not happening (yes, they did go overboard, which was well within expectations  ).
Han Solo as an unexpected mainy, which was great imo.
Nailed Kylo and BB8 (being-seduced-by-the-light-side switcheroonies, generally being an angsty, angry and annoying prick; being more cute then annoying).
It's a cover which is cool because it's like poetry and it rhymes
There will simply never be another OT in the Star Wars universe, like there will never be another Predator, Alien(s), Terminator(:judgement day), Brazil etc. in their respective universes. Adjust expectations accordingly.
Also, five bucks says there will be a "Luke's lightsaber extravaganza" incoming
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On December 29 2015 23:41 Gorsameth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:37 Plansix wrote:
And was only noticeable if someone is a fan of the previous films. At no point does the film go out of its way to point out the fan service, which was the point of my statement. Its just there for fans pick out. What Oo I dont think you entirely know what your saying. Ofcourse only a fan will recognise fan service.. thats the whole point... And yes it was incredibly obvious. Heck the random trench scene for the Totally Not Deathstar was almost a scene by scene re-render of the original. They couldn't have made it more obvious with a neon sign.
Yes, but if you are someone coming into starwars for the first time, that is just another shot in an action scene. Obvious fan service is the type that draws attention to fan service like it’s an inside joke. That the film slows down to point out the fan service or skips a beat.
The original “What would you prefer, yellow spandex,” from the original X-men movie is a good example. It is the focus of that whole shot. TFA never does that and never calls attention to any of it over their own story. Its a different style of fan service and one that I prefer.
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On December 29 2015 20:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 20:35 kwizach wrote:On December 29 2015 19:25 TheEmulator wrote:I wonder if Finn has any relation to Mace Windu considering he's A) clearly black and one of the few black characters in the new canon and B) possibly someone who might use the force at some point. Anyway, just saw the movie and it was enjoyable. There's obvious flaws but I'm not the type to get all bent over the storyline. I expected to see some cool looking shit and it delivered on that, lol  I would have preferred if the plot wasn't a complete rehashing of EP4 though. edit: or related to Lando I guess. Although I feel his character would be stronger if they don't tie in one of those bloodlines to him so fingers crossed. (Remember, books movies and game do not count as canon) He's gotta be related to someone lol He was abducted at birth afterall Edit; I probably should mention I hope he isn't related to Mace or Lando. Also, I wanna put money on a FO Walker attack on a frozen planet not called Hoth but literally exactly the same as Hoth being part of Episode VIII. Wrong. All of this is officially canon.
edit: something broke
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On December 29 2015 23:48 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:41 Gorsameth wrote:On December 29 2015 23:37 Plansix wrote:
And was only noticeable if someone is a fan of the previous films. At no point does the film go out of its way to point out the fan service, which was the point of my statement. Its just there for fans pick out. What Oo I dont think you entirely know what your saying. Ofcourse only a fan will recognise fan service.. thats the whole point... And yes it was incredibly obvious. Heck the random trench scene for the Totally Not Deathstar was almost a scene by scene re-render of the original. They couldn't have made it more obvious with a neon sign. Yes, but if you are someone coming into starwars for the first time, that is just another shot in an action scene. Obvious fan service is the type that draws attention to fan service like it’s an inside joke. That the film slows down to point out the fan service or skips a beat. The original “What would you prefer, yellow spandex,” from the original X-men movie is a good example. It is the focus of that whole shot. TFA never does that and never calls attention to any of it over their own story. Its a different style of fan service and one that I prefer.
Did the shot of the game of dejarik seem like part of an action scene to you?
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On December 29 2015 23:51 tofucake wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 20:55 Orcasgt24 wrote:On December 29 2015 20:35 kwizach wrote:On December 29 2015 19:25 TheEmulator wrote:
I wonder if Finn has any relation to Mace Windu considering he's A) clearly black and one of the few black characters in the new canon and B) possibly someone who might use the force at some point. Anyway, just saw the movie and it was enjoyable. There's obvious flaws but I'm not the type to get all bent over the storyline. I expected to see some cool looking shit and it delivered on that, lol I would have preferred if the plot wasn't a complete rehashing of EP4 though. edit: or related to Lando I guess. Although I feel his character would be stronger if they don't tie in one of those bloodlines to him so fingers crossed. (Remember, books movies and game do not count as canon) He's gotta be related to someone lol He was abducted at birth afterall Edit; I probably should mention I hope he isn't related to Mace or Lando. Also, I wanna put money on a FO Walker attack on a frozen planet not called Hoth but literally exactly the same as Hoth being part of Episode VIII. Wrong. All of this is officially canon. edit: something broke
can't really answer last pages poll. as a standalone action movie it would be okayish i guess but as a star wars movie I'm more than disappointed looking back.
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On December 29 2015 23:53 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:48 Plansix wrote:On December 29 2015 23:41 Gorsameth wrote:On December 29 2015 23:37 Plansix wrote:
And was only noticeable if someone is a fan of the previous films. At no point does the film go out of its way to point out the fan service, which was the point of my statement. Its just there for fans pick out. What Oo I dont think you entirely know what your saying. Ofcourse only a fan will recognise fan service.. thats the whole point... And yes it was incredibly obvious. Heck the random trench scene for the Totally Not Deathstar was almost a scene by scene re-render of the original. They couldn't have made it more obvious with a neon sign. Yes, but if you are someone coming into starwars for the first time, that is just another shot in an action scene. Obvious fan service is the type that draws attention to fan service like it’s an inside joke. That the film slows down to point out the fan service or skips a beat. The original “What would you prefer, yellow spandex,” from the original X-men movie is a good example. It is the focus of that whole shot. TFA never does that and never calls attention to any of it over their own story. Its a different style of fan service and one that I prefer. Because the shot of the game of dejarik was part of an action scene?
It wasn’t the focus of a 30 second scene involving two main characters talking about the game itself and then making a joke about how Wookies love game and take it super serious. That would be the focus. It was on frame for a couple of seconds with a reaction shot from Chewie.
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On December 29 2015 23:55 Plansix wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2015 23:53 kwizach wrote:On December 29 2015 23:48 Plansix wrote:On December 29 2015 23:41 Gorsameth wrote:On December 29 2015 23:37 Plansix wrote:
And was only noticeable if someone is a fan of the previous films. At no point does the film go out of its way to point out the fan service, which was the point of my statement. Its just there for fans pick out. What Oo I dont think you entirely know what your saying. Ofcourse only a fan will recognise fan service.. thats the whole point... And yes it was incredibly obvious. Heck the random trench scene for the Totally Not Deathstar was almost a scene by scene re-render of the original. They couldn't have made it more obvious with a neon sign. Yes, but if you are someone coming into starwars for the first time, that is just another shot in an action scene. Obvious fan service is the type that draws attention to fan service like it’s an inside joke. That the film slows down to point out the fan service or skips a beat. The original “What would you prefer, yellow spandex,” from the original X-men movie is a good example. It is the focus of that whole shot. TFA never does that and never calls attention to any of it over their own story. Its a different style of fan service and one that I prefer. Because the shot of the game of dejarik was part of an action scene? It wasn’t the focus of a 30 second scene involving two main characters talking about the game itself and then making a joke about how Wookies love game and take it super serious. That would be the focus. It was on frame for a couple of seconds with a reaction shot from Chewie.
You're obviously moving the goal posts. In your previous post, you wrote: "that the film slows down to point out the fan service or skips a beat". That's exactly what TFA did. Not only did we first see a shot of the game of dejarik appear on the table with the characters in the room, we actually got a close-up shot of the pieces on the board. The game did not play any role in the movie. It was noticeable fan service.
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Most of my friends didn’t even notice it, but I guess we will have to agree to disagree on its prominence in the scene.
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So they showed the game for a few seconds, so what? I agree with plansix here.
It didn't do it the wrong way, it was just a little reminder.
There are some scenes in the movie which were not that great "oh another deathstar, let's just blow it up, you always can blow it up" (kinda like that) and one or two others i cannot remember atm, but you really pick out the board game and luke's training sphere?
This stuff was on screen for like 5 seconds total and wasn't distracting at all.
As i said, some of you really wanna hate the movie, holy shit^^
edit: i wouldn't be surprised if someone next criticizes the movie because there were x wings and tie fighters
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On December 30 2015 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So they showed the game for a few seconds, so what? I agree with plansix here.
It didn't do it the wrong way, it was just a little reminder.
There are some scenes in the movie which were not that great "oh another deathstar, let's just blow it up, you always can blow it up" (kinda like that) and one or two others i cannot remember atm, but you really pick out the board game and luke's training sphere?
This stuff was on screen for like 5 seconds total and wasn't distracting at all.
As i said, some of you really wanna hate the movie, holy shit^^
The discussion was not about whether or not the scene made us hate the movie. It was about whether or not it was fan service, and whether or not it was noticeable. The answer to both questions is yes. I know there are other instances of fan service, which was precisely the point of my first post.
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Leia/C3PO/R2D2.
They have nothing to do in this movie and are just there for "fanservice/nostalgia". If you bring in old characters, make them do something. Yes, Leia is kinda involved, but thats all because of having/bringing up a child with Han between 6 and 7 (so, offscreen). Maybe she will be more important in the next one, I highly doubt it because, well, there is not much room for "Generals" on the side of the good guys if you don't go far away from the formula the original trilogy had.
There is no reason for Leia to be in this movie... Well, as muchas there was for the game in the Falcon.
I tought the movie was great but it just jumped at me with fanservice/nostalgia stuff for absolutely no reason, it felt weird.
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C-3PO has little to do with the plot but he doesn't appear much. R2 serves as a link to Luke and both provides the map and appears in the flashback/bad dream/whatever the vision is. Maybe you could say 3PO provides a way to talk about his counterpart.
Not really fan service as much as a minor plot element.
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On December 30 2015 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So they showed the game for a few seconds, so what?
That one definitely was drawn-out, maybe 2 seconds too much, but that's exactly the type of shit that irks people, including me lol
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They can’t have Han by himself without explaining what happened with Leia and frankly they can be setting her up for the next film. Also it gives them time to talk about how Ren went to the dark side. You know, the main villain, reason for the state of the universe and why Luke is in hiding.
Not really important stuff.
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On December 30 2015 00:17 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 30 2015 00:13 The_Red_Viper wrote:
So they showed the game for a few seconds, so what? I agree with plansix here.
It didn't do it the wrong way, it was just a little reminder.
There are some scenes in the movie which were not that great "oh another deathstar, let's just blow it up, you always can blow it up" (kinda like that) and one or two others i cannot remember atm, but you really pick out the board game and luke's training sphere?
This stuff was on screen for like 5 seconds total and wasn't distracting at all.
As i said, some of you really wanna hate the movie, holy shit^^ The discussion was not about whether or not the scene made us hate the movie. It was about whether or not it was fan service, and whether or not it was noticeable. The answer to both questions is yes. I know there are other instances of fan service, which was precisely the point of my first post.
I didn't say you have to hate the movie. But there is a good way to do "fanservice" and there is a bad way. If you really think the board game was a bad way, ko so be it but i think that is ridiculous.
Same goes for the sphere thing someone else mentioned, that was on screen for like one second max.
Are X-Wings fanservice too? Stormtroopers? What about lightsabers?
The millenium falcon? yada yada yada
People saying it is exactly like ANH also completely exaggerate the fuck out of it. Sure there are similar plot devices and even plot developments (especially the death star 3 and how it is destroyed), but the details are completely different tbh.
The characters are different (and Kylo actually gets criticized for being different, LOL).
So what exactly should Star Wars be?
edit: thanks for the link plansix, will watch that later
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There is a podcast too. Or you can just listen to it directly. Though seeing Adam Savage's workshop is pretty awesome.
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On December 30 2015 00:20 Velr wrote:
Leia/C3PO/R2D2.
They have nothing to do in this movie and are just there for "fanservice/nostalgia".
Leia was going to be there, could have been a lot worse.
3PO, same.
R2, (the joining of the maps was extremely corny, but kinda cute considering the movie being a cover) same.
I don't see the problem here.
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On December 30 2015 00:19 Plansix wrote:
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the hate wall and people nit picking apart every statement.
The joys of discussing fan favorite films on the internet, getting through the blind love wall and people refusing to accept the validity of any criticism.
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