On September 20 2012 15:58 madcow305 wrote: I also find it funny that posts containing only an image are supposed to not be allowed under TL policy, but one of the haters violates this rule twice in the first 3 pages and nothing has happened.
You realize that OP, who clearly is anything but a hater, has violated that rule the most in this thread, right?
Yep, and I'd report his post too if I could be bothered.
Since this thread is 20 pages long and several mods have posted in it, I assume nobody has been warned or tempbanned because either I was mistaken and posting just an image is not against the rules, or mods don't give a shit. Either way, I suggest you ignore the hater trolls, because if they're still here after 20 pages in and they clearly dislike Evangelion, they're probably not here to engage you in meaningful discussion.
Because disliking something is equivalent to not being able to formulate meaningful discussion.
On September 21 2012 22:47 Sentenal wrote: I made a post saying Shinji was crazy for freaking out and trying to murder Asuka, and then he made a sarcastic comment saying it "Its such an atypical reaction to freak out [insert time/place qualifier here]", implying that I was saying "freaking out is atypical", rather than the murder part. How is that not misconstruing my argument?
There was no murder, nor was there a will to kill. There simply was a violent reaction. Do you also think that Chris Brown wanted to kill Rihanna? Do you think that James Stewart really wanted to kill Kim Novak in Vertigo? I mean, he was strangling her for Christ's sake, how can it be in a movie considerd by some as the best film of all time...
On September 21 2012 22:47 Sentenal wrote: Depends on the circumstance. Is it a war/battle of some sort? Was their life being threatened/in danger? Did they wake up, and see at someone laying next to them? Did they simply not like the other person?
No, Shakespeare deals with passion and madness. But hey, all these classical heroes are probably just "batshit insane".
On September 21 2012 22:47 Sentenal wrote: Obviously there are instances when a sane person may be faced to take another's life. The question is, is this one of those instances? I say no, as clearly his life wasn't in danger, and it wasn't some sort of battle. Shinji's reaction was a result of being surprised, and "freaked out". And like I said, normal people don't respond to "surprise" with "murder". I get the feeling that you believe that Shinji's mental state is justified, therefore his reaction can therefore be justified as "sane". Its true his mental state is justified. Isolation/being stuck in a hellish world like that would probably drive anyone insane. Even if insanity is due to circumstances, it doesn't change what it is.
Again with the hyperbolic statements! I ask you, did James Stuart really want to kill Kim Novak? Careful with your answer, or else film aficionados will probably... freak out.
Victor Hugo compared madness to a roaring lion we host inside our minds; among most people, it is a tamed beast. However, in the heads of a few, or in moments of weakness, it roams free. You're opposing "batshit insane" to "sane", which is a simplistic duality. We all have moments of madness, and insanity is not uncommon when we feel we touch the bottom. It doesn't mean we're simply "batshit insane". It means we had a moment of insanity. Do you know about reality shows? The candidates sometimes (actually, often) have weird reaction and behaviours. The simple and yet slightly disturbing situation they're in puts them through small moments of insanity. It does not mean that they're "batshit insane".
Woah woah woah, who said anything about "batshit insane" and "sane" being the only things someone can be? I agree it isn't dualistic, but I don't think I was making out a case that it was. No one is talking about the wide range of sanity people could have, or at least I'm not. We are talking about a single case, Shinji Ikari, and whether or not his actions at the end of EoE provides evidence for him to be insane or not. There is a difference. This is an isolated, single case discussion. People on reality TV, while they might have their weird quirks, aren't "insane", I agree. Everyone has moments of "madness", and yet not everyone is insane, I agree. But I don't see what that has to do with Shinji going nuts or not.
We are talking about a kid who freaked out, crawled on top of a defenseless girl, and strangled her. This is KINDA different from weirdos on reality TV or ordinary people who do weird/crazy stuff from time to time, because normally, the weird stuff they do aren't a danger to other people's lives, at least not directly. Now if one of those people randomly assualted another, then we can compare.
I haven't watched Vertigo, so I can't answer your question in good faith. What was the reason why James Stewart strangled whoever, and what was the situation?
Also, possibly related, what other purpose could someone have to strangle another human being, other than to kill them?
Also, again possibly related, when was the last time you got surprised by something, and then strangled a defenseless person in reaction? Or it doesn't have to be you, anyone you know?
No, Shakespeare deals with passion and madness. But hey, all these classical heroes are probably just "batshit insane".
If they commit an unjust assualt or murder of the innocent, then yes, that makes them crazy.
No, Shakespeare deals with passion and madness. But hey, all these classical heroes are probably just "batshit insane".
If they commit an unjust assualt or murder of the innocent, then yes, that makes them crazy.
It differs a lot between Shakespeare characters and stories especially given a difference in culture and a huge range of situations so I think it's unfair to generalize that much; however, some of his characters are indeed crazy. Certainly, the logic of their actions can be "justified," or rather, reasoned, through passion, but that doesn't make them any less crazy. Less crazy than one driven by mental illness compared to bouts of insanity driven by emotions, but still crazy. Also, I am no Shakespeare expert by any means, but the characters that do go down the path of madness are often a pivotal plot device in some way; they trigger events and their interactions with other characters are often still very entertaining. Even their soliloquies serve purpose due to the nature of plays and audience interaction. These are reasons as to why an insane character can still be considered well written, enjoyable to watch, and a "classical hero."
I'm not going to get into the Shinji crazy yes/no argument, mainly because I saw it far too long ago to remember many details, but calling a character crazy or "batshit insane" isn't really an insult to the character or work as a whole without taking context into account. Alone, it's merely stating an observation regarding him/her. Of course, Sentenal probably does mean it as an insult but using Shakespeare or any acclaimed work as a defense to the argument at hand implies good works don't have crazy people which simply is not true. They may start as normal, sane people but are crazy by the end (again, depends on the work and I don't want to do a case-by-case analysis).
No, Shakespeare deals with passion and madness. But hey, all these classical heroes are probably just "batshit insane".
If they commit an unjust assualt or murder of the innocent, then yes, that makes them crazy.
It differs a lot between Shakespeare characters and stories especially given a difference in culture and a huge range of situations so I think it's unfair to generalize that much; however, some of his characters are indeed crazy. Certainly, the logic of their actions can be "justified," or rather, reasoned, through passion, but that doesn't make them any less crazy. Less crazy than one driven by mental illness compared to bouts of insanity driven by emotions, but still crazy. Also, I am no Shakespeare expert by any means, but the characters that do go down the path of madness are often a pivotal plot device in some way; they trigger events and their interactions with other characters are often still very entertaining. Even their soliloquies serve purpose due to the nature of plays and audience interaction. These are reasons as to why an insane character can still be considered well written, enjoyable to watch, and a "classical hero."
I'm not going to get into the Shinji crazy yes/no argument, mainly because I saw it far too long ago to remember many details, but calling a character crazy or "batshit insane" isn't really an insult to the character or work as a whole without taking context into account. Alone, it's merely stating an observation regarding him/her. Of course, Sentenal probably does mean it as an insult but using Shakespeare or any acclaimed work as a defense to the argument at hand implies good works don't have crazy people which simply is not true. They may start as normal, sane people but are crazy by the end (again, depends on the work and I don't want to do a case-by-case analysis).
In general, I don't use "insane" as an insult. Some of my favorite characters are nuts. However, things have sorta gotten way off track from what the root of this entire argument is, lol. I said something like "Okay, so at the end, Shinji accepts who he is, and comes to terms with being a psychopath", and people took issue with that final part.
I was disappointed that they did not show Israfel in the movie, that episode was so funny. Nothing better then watching shinji and asuka having to play DDR. Also it had a lot of development in that episode, seems odd to just leave it out.
Also a question for anyone that watched the dub first, is that one you prefer. I mean the dub was not half bad and since that is the one i watched first it the one that i built the characters around so the sub voices dont seem to fit as well for me. When i watched the sub i always have this little voice in the back of my head that is like "this is not right".
On September 22 2012 11:17 Sentenal wrote: Also, again possibly related, when was the last time you got surprised by something, and then strangled a defenseless person in reaction? Or it doesn't have to be you, anyone you know?
No, Shakespeare deals with passion and madness. But hey, all these classical heroes are probably just "batshit insane".
If they commit an unjust assualt or murder of the innocent, then yes, that makes them crazy.
I don't know anyone who's been in anything worse than the death of a close being. I have no ambitious kings, apocalypse survivors, mad lovers or adventurers among my acquaintances. I live a pretty stable life, and moments of madness come from moments of unstability.
I'd also like to point out that by your definition, mafiosi are just "crazy". I thought they simply were cold-hearted individuals! Most tregedic heroes can also be labeled as insane if we follow this logic, as they often live painful and shocking situations that result in extreme reactions, like Mercutio who finds death in the hands of the "crazy" Tybalt (he wants to kill the innocent Romeo) after shouting a poem about fairies (what's wrong with him, seriously).
On September 22 2012 11:17 Sentenal wrote: Woah woah woah, who said anything about "batshit insane" and "sane" being the only things someone can be? I agree it isn't dualistic, but I don't think I was making out a case that it was. No one is talking about the wide range of sanity people could have, or at least I'm not. We are talking about a single case, Shinji Ikari, and whether or not his actions at the end of EoE provides evidence for him to be insane or not. There is a difference. This is an isolated, single case discussion. People on reality TV, while they might have their weird quirks, aren't "insane", I agree. Everyone has moments of "madness", and yet not everyone is insane, I agree. But I don't see what that has to do with Shinji going nuts or not.
Oh, alright. Shinji exists in a parallel universe, and as such, comparison between his reactions the reactions of other people / fictional characters is void. I get it. What does it have to with Shinji? Shinji's having a moment of madness. Nothing points towards definitive insanity. But for now, taking one crazy action from him, you've concluded that he's "batshit insane". I feel that you've taken quite a leap there.
On September 22 2012 11:17 Sentenal wrote: We are talking about a kid who freaked out, crawled on top of a defenseless girl, and strangled her. This is KINDA different from weirdos on reality TV or ordinary people who do weird/crazy stuff from time to time, because normally, the weird stuff they do aren't a danger to other people's lives, at least not directly. Now if one of those people randomly assualted another, then we can compare.
Oh yes, it does happen. Chris Brown. But I guess that Chris Brown wanted to murder Rihanna, indeed.
It's no different from weirdos on TV, it's the same mechanism. A shock can cause an exceptional irrational reaction. If your parents die and you spend two days watching their picture in the darkness of your kitchen, I believe that people will not simply go ahead and call you "nuts".
On September 22 2012 11:17 Sentenal wrote: I haven't watched Vertigo, so I can't answer your question in good faith. What was the reason why James Stewart strangled whoever, and what was the situation?
Also, possibly related, what other purpose could someone have to strangle another human being, other than to kill them?
James Stewart strangled his old lover because he believed she was dead, when she wasn't. She simply had deceived him. Madly in love, he reacts violently and then lets her go, only to kiss her passionately a few moments later.
Other reasons to strangle people include (but are not limited to) : rejection, fear, rage, despair, defensive aggression, begging for reactions, sexual pleasure, choking game, jokes, assertion of domination, intimidation, non-wounding aggression. Warning : choking can be fatal in certain cases. Special note to fictional heroes : do not indulge in irrational actions, to avoid being called "batshit insane". However, non-lethal use of violence by Chris Brown is considered normal.
I'd also like to point out that by your definition, mafiosi are just "crazy". I thought they simply were cold-hearted individuals! Most tregedic heroes can also be labeled as insane if we follow this logic, as they often live painful and shocking situations that result in extreme reactions, like Mercutio who finds death in the hands of the "crazy" Tybalt (he wants to kill the innocent Romeo) after shouting a poem about fairies (what's wrong with him, seriously).
They are. Like I've said a million times already (that you apparently can't read), just because someone has a reason to be crazy, doesn't mean they aren't crazy.
Oh, alright. Shinji exists in a parallel universe, and as such, comparison between his reactions the reactions of other people / fictional characters is void. I get it. What does it have to with Shinji? Shinji's having a moment of madness. Nothing points towards definitive insanity. But for now, taking one crazy action from him, you've concluded that he's "batshit insane". I feel that you've taken quite a leap there.
You are the one who started talking about dualism, not me. Shinji waking up, seeing someone, and trying to murder them is pointing definitively to insanity.
If your parents die and you spend two days watching their picture in the darkness of your kitchen, I believe that people will not simply go ahead and call you "nuts".
If that happens, and then you violently attack someone randomly, yes they will. Just because someone has a reason to be insane, doesn't mean they aren't insane.
James Stewart strangled his old lover because he believed she was dead, when she wasn't. She simply had deceived him. Madly in love, he reacts violently and then lets her go, only to kiss her passionately a few moments later.
So, he thought she was dead, so he strangled her while she was pretending to be dead? Or he found out she deceived him and then strangled her in reaction to that? The former sounds stupid, and the last one would indeed be cause to call him a crazy psychopath.
Other reasons to strangle people include (but are not limited to) : rejection, fear, rage, despair, defensive aggression, begging for reactions, sexual pleasure, choking game, jokes, assertion of domination, intimidation, non-wounding aggression. Warning : choking can be fatal in certain cases.
Rejection: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Additionally, if someone strangles another because of rejection, then that is good evidence that they are a psychopath. Fear: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Rage: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Additionally, if someone strangles another because of rage, then that is good evidence that they are a psychopath. Despair: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Additionally, if someone strangles another because of despair, then that is good evidence that they are a psychopath. Defensive aggression: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Begging for reactions: what Sexual pleasure: You can't possibly believe that someone who strangles others for sexual pleasure can be sane...... Choking game: What? I think in this case, rather than "insane", "retarded" would be a better description. Jokes: Strangling someone... being a joke? You think that choking someone is funny? Whats wrong with you? Assertion of domination: Someone who chokes others to assert domination over them is crazy. Intimidation: See above Non-wounding aggression: See above.
Now, since you gave a bunch of motivations for people to strangle other people, rather than purpose (or, what they intend to accomplish by strangling), I'll answer my own question, since apparently you aren't able to, or are unwilling. What other purpose could someone have to strangle another human being? First, ask yourself, what does strangling someone entail? You stop the other person from breathing. What does this do? This cuts off air to your victim, and eventually, without being able to breath, they suffocate and die. The victim doesn't benefit in any way, and their life is threatened by it. Doing this to someone qualifies as attempted murder, or murder if you succeed. People who are relatively sane know this and don't attempt to murder other people. And then to qualify, you think that in this case, Shinji's attempted murder of Asuka (who is an innocent) is justified and acceptable. Therefore, you think attempted murder of innocent people is okay.
Special note to fictional heroes : do not indulge in irrational actions, to avoid being called "batshit insane". However, non-lethal use of violence by Chris Brown is considered normal.
Your previous post you were trying to act like I was being dualistic, and yet here you are, grouping all "irrational actions" with "attempted murder of the innocent". And non-lethal use of violence isn't normal either, IDK where you got that. You are pretty bad at this.
On September 23 2012 12:24 Sentenal wrote: They are. Like I've said a million times already (that you apparently can't read), just because someone has a reason to be crazy, doesn't mean they aren't crazy. [...] ...everyone is crazy... [...]
James Stewart strangled his old lover because he believed she was dead, when she wasn't. She simply had deceived him. Madly in love, he reacts violently and then lets her go, only to kiss her passionately a few moments later.
So, he thought she was dead, so he strangled her while she was pretending to be dead? Or he found out she deceived him and then strangled her in reaction to that? The former sounds stupid, and the last one would indeed be cause to call him a crazy psychopath.
Alright, so by your definition, most soliders are crazy, George Bush is crazy, Nicolas Sarkozy is crazy, Reagan was crazy, Nixon was crazy, robbers are crazy, arms dealers are crazy, Hezbollah members are crazy, Mossad agents are crazy, CIA agents are crazy, polluters are crazy... that's a lot of crazy people.
If you also believe that an infuriated James Stewart can be labelled as durably insane after strangling Kim Novak (and letting her go), then let's just say you have an... odd and unusual definition of insanity. But I will repeat my question : is Chris Brown crazy?
Other reasons to strangle people include (but are not limited to) : rejection, fear, rage, despair, defensive aggression, begging for reactions, sexual pleasure, choking game, jokes, assertion of domination, intimidation, non-wounding aggression. Warning : choking can be fatal in certain cases.
Rejection: This is a motive, not a goal of strangling someone. Additionally, if someone strangles another because of rejection, then that is good evidence that they are a psychopath. Strangling as an act of rejection. [...] Sexual pleasure: You can't possibly believe that someone who strangles others for sexual pleasure can be sane...... Virgin spotted :D You're missing on kinky stuff man. [...] Now, since you gave a bunch of motivations for people to strangle other people, rather than purpose (or, what they intend to accomplish by strangling), I'll answer my own question, since apparently you aren't able to, or are unwilling. What other purpose could someone have to strangle another human being? [...] People who are relatively sane know this and don't attempt to murder other people. And then to qualify, you think that in this case, Shinji's attempted murder of Asuka (who is an innocent) is justified and acceptable. Therefore, you think attempted murder of innocent people is okay.
1) Does every action, especially those triggered by passion, have a motive? There's no motive when I burst in laughter, nor when I push a friend playfully. And there was no motive when this drunk dude sucker punched me at a party.
2) What was Chris Brown's motive? If he kept hitting her, it could've been lethal.
-> As such, strangling someone as an extreme reaction is not an attemp of murder (since there was no desire to kill in the first place) as long as the person stops and realizes his own irrationality (if the person doesn't stop) -> Shinji is therefore not necessarily insane, simply shocked.
If you doubt this, swing by a justice court sometime, and see for yourself. You'll learn that humans are in fact irrational creatures (or you could learn that through psychology, contemporary philosophy, history, or introspection).
Now, setting definitely aside Sentenal's neoconservative marginal views on the human psyche, does anyone read the manga?
I got no fuckin clue who Chris Brown is, I don't watch reality TV or where ever he is from. You really like to paint everything as dualistic (OMG THEY KILLED SOMEONE, YOU MUST THINK THEY ARE INSANE), which hilarious after you tried to say thats what I was doing. Let me give you some definitions to clarify stuff for you:
Sociopath: a person with a psychopathic personality whose behavior is antisocial, often criminal, and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
Psychopath: a person afflicted with a personality disorder characterized by a tendency to commit antisocial and sometimes violent acts and a failure to feel guilt for such acts
Insane:not sane; not of sound mind; mentally deranged.
All are different types of crazy, but pick your poison and assign them to most of the different examples you picked. Robbers, terrorists, soldiers who commit atrocities, etc. Additionally, while Shinji does conform 100% to being insane, he also possess elements of being a sociopath and a psychopath.
1) Does every action, especially those triggered by passion, have a motive? There's no motive when I burst in laughter, nor when I push a friend playfully. And there was no motive when this drunk dude sucker punched me at a party.
Motive=/=goal. Motive is the "why [did they do it?]", goal is the "What [do they want to accomplish?]". Mildly amused either you can't tell the difference between "why" and "what", or refuse to answer the question in good faith, because you know the "what" doesn't have very many answers, none of them favorable to you.
Also, LOL comparing bursting into laughter to attempted murder, like that are similar things.
-> As such, strangling someone as an extreme reaction is not an attemp of murder (since there was no desire to kill in the first place) as long as the person stops and realizes his own irrationality (if the person doesn't stop) -> Shinji is therefore not necessarily insane, simply shocked.
No, since it was an attempt at murder, since the only thing resulting from successful strangulation is murder. I've asked you several times to give me another goal that someone could be trying to get for strangling someone else, and the best you have been able to give me is "sexual pleasure", which doesn't even apply to this situation. Therefore, Shinji is insane, and you think attempted murder is okay.
Guys, could you please finish your discussion via pm? This is more about your two opinions clashing, not about the series anymore. It just bloats up the whole thread.
Remember loving this series when I was a kid, partially probably due to the reason that it was one of the first animes I ever saw, so that played a pretty big role. I'm interested in watching the remake movies that currently came out a few years ago, and that they are still working on. Should be a nice blast of nostalgia, I wonder if it'll hold up as well now as it did in my memory.
On September 24 2012 12:29 Wedge wrote: Remember loving this series when I was a kid, partially probably due to the reason that it was one of the first animes I ever saw, so that played a pretty big role. I'm interested in watching the remake movies that currently came out a few years ago, and that they are still working on. Should be a nice blast of nostalgia, I wonder if it'll hold up as well now as it did in my memory.
I was very much in the same boat as you, and the new movies absolutely blew me away. I suggest re-watching the entire series + Death & Rebirth / End of Evangelion before watching the Rebuild films to get a real comparison of how (equally, not superior) awesome the Rebuild films really are.
Mm just finished watching 1.11, and it hasn't been thaaaaat long since I have actually seen the series.
1.11 was great, would definitely recommend to everyone, whereas the original series I would only recommend to some of my friends. Excited to watch 2.22.
On the topic of remake etc, it is pretty clear that it's a remake/sequel together, which is interesting. In any case, pumped to have more to watch. Also, I seem to be part of a minority in liking the last two eps of the original series, huh? But yes, good stuff.
I'd appreciate it if threads that contained anime would get a corresponding tag, so people wouldn't be disappointed after being misled by an awesome title like "Neon Genesis Evangelion".
Oh man. I only got into anime a few months ago and watched NGE because, well, its NGE.
I'll be honest, I didn't like it very much at all once things really started rolling. Especially EoE, I had the same reaction as everyone else. The fuck? And Shinji just pissed me off to no end. God, do I hate that character.
After letting it sit for a bit though, after understanding everything, after reading those helpful 4chan '2deep4u' explanations of wtf just happened, I learned to like it in hindsight. Would I watch NGE again? No, god no. Never. But yes, in hindsight, I think its a great show.
And then there's the rebuild series. 1.11 was beautiful and Ramiel was fucking awesome. Seriously Ramiel was... just incredible. I was very impressed. Loved it. Other than that though it was just NGE but prettier and I didn't find it all that special.
2.22 on the other hand I loved, and not just in hindsight. It was great and I've gotta rewatch it soon. It makes me fear for 3.33 though, as I expect things will turn on their head and go straight down the shitter. Things were too happy. Hopes were raised too high in 2.22, and even though they were quickly crushed, it still ended on an overall more positive note than expected.
Anyways. Excited to read this thread later on today. :D
On September 24 2012 22:43 kafkaesque wrote: I'd appreciate it if threads that contained anime would get a corresponding tag, so people wouldn't be disappointed after being misled by an awesome title like "Neon Genesis Evangelion".
Judging from your nickname, I'd say NGE might actually be an anime you could enjoy - even if you usually don't watch anime. NGE with all its background-story is very kafkaesque, with a dominant theme of social fears, although it seems a lot more like a typical mecha-anime the first half of the series, don't get scared off by that.
Okay. I skimmed this thread for like 45 minutes. I didn't actually read everything because jesus you guys take discussions seriously.
I agree with most of Sentenal's sentiments, except that I actually like this show a whole bunch. And I loved 2.22. Sent, what was your opinion on the rebuild movies? Just curious! :D Sorry if you already said so somewhere... there's a lot to sift through.
On September 19 2012 12:56 Quintum_ wrote: @Sentenal You know shinji had been alone for quite some time after he rejected Instrumentality. Studies have shown that when you place a person in isolation for a long time they tend to go crazy
Prisoners who are isolated for prolonged periods of time have been known to experience "depression, despair, anxiety, rage, claustrophobia, hallucinations, problems with impulse control, and/or an impaired ability to think, concentrate, or remember." (2) Studies have also shown that isolation can cause "impaired vision and hearing... tinnitus [(ringing in the ears)], weakening of the immune system, amenorrhea [(absence of menstrual periods in women)], premature menopause... and aggressive behavior in prisoners, volunteers and animals." (1)
Previously healthy prisoners have "develop[ed] clinical symptoms usually associated with psychosis or severe affective disorders" (2) including "all types of psychiatric morbidity." (4) Many have committed suicide.
Individuals do vary in how well they can deal with living in isolation, however. (4) For prisoners with pre-existing mental or emotional disorders, living without normal human interaction, physical and mental activity and stimulation can aggravate their symptoms to levels equivalent to torture. (2), (3) In one complaint filed against the Connecticut Department of Correction in August 2003, social isolation and sensory deprivation drove some prisoners to "lash out by swallowing razors, smashing their heads into walls or cutting their flesh." (3)
I'll be honest, I don't remember the time frame between the end of Instrumentality and him deciding to strangle Asuka. I assumed it wasn't any time at all or a short amount of time, but assuming he was in isolation for a long time, its still the story ending with him going crazy, is it not?
My interpretation was that... yes. He did go crazy. But to be fair, just about anyone anywhere would go crazy after going through all of that shit.
But you go on to argue that he killed her, or tried to kill her. What I understood was that he wasn't trying to kill her, but rather confirming that she was real. He's been alone for all this time and sees her, and assumes that she's a hallucination. So, being crazy, (and I'm sure the fact that she's a total and complete bitch has something to do with it) he strangles her to see if she's real. When she reacts, he knows she is and stops.
Fuck, I can't find those stupid 2deep4u explanation images I found on /a/. They were very useful after finishing the series.
On September 15 2012 12:58 N3rV[Green] wrote: Ok I need to talk to somebody about this.....I just watched 2.0 for the first time (was trying to put it off after 1.0 till all 4, but fuck it couldn't do it) and........just wow.
The first movie was perfect, basically just the first 6 episodes with some clarification here and there as people said......but this 2.0 has thrown me off really hard. Not in a bad way, just in a HOLY FUCKING WTF DID I JUST WATCH NOOOO ASUKA WAIT WTF NEW CHICK WAIT WTF UNIT02 WAIT WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF WTF.
So.......to other people who have watched every single episode of the anime over 20 times each who watched 2.0 with 0 warning as to just what it was. What do you think about it?
All I can think is that this is no longer anything even close to the original anime (in a good way), but I fear Asuka is going to be very much less important than she was in the anime which makes me sad, her being my favorite character.
But really....those last 30-40 minutes are just an absolute mindfuck and even MORE so if you know exactly what SHOULD be happening according to the anime......holy fucking shit.
I can't be alone here can I?
This is how I felt, and that's why I love it. It was such an awesome and unexpected turn of events. And it was just so... happy. Which is funny cause it actually isn't at all; it's only happy when compared to the original.
On September 15 2012 13:29 ZERG_RUSSIAN wrote: Let's talk about some of the music:
These two songs are some of my personal all-time favorites. The second one, in particular, is super fucking deep.
Komm, Susser Tod is actually an awesome song. Cruel Angel's Thesis was pretty awesome too. And what is this second song you posted? Is that actually part of the OST? Why the hell are so many Eva songs mixed with Peschabel's Canon? Am I missing something here?
Also, havn't seen any of these two on here. So here they are, for all the Shinji haters:
and this
I think they're both awesome and they definitely made me respect Shinji more. I especially love the rap. I still fucking hate him though.
On September 25 2012 02:47 Crazyeyes wrote: I agree with most of Sentenal's sentiments, except that I actually like this show a whole bunch. And I loved 2.22. Sent, what was your opinion on the rebuild movies? Just curious! :D
Both look really good, the first movie was alright, nothing really special, mostly just the first part of the TV series except it looks 100x better. 2.2 was good, I liked it. Time will tell how good the upcoming ones are.
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