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On March 28 2014 16:07 Dreamer.T wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it).
I hope he takes the job so he can leave the show. Then the show becomes about Harvey and Louis bromance. Would be so much better.
This last ep conflict was a bit meh. I mean the number 2 of a huge company crying about not being able to go up? Go up to where lol. He's already at the top. Mike and him are in such completely different situations that the forced bonding was silly. Mike is a nobody and this guy is a giant. Honestly mike is just a testament that intelligence and knowledge are two completely different things.
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Mike can't possibly take the job, duh ;D (at least not permanently), season 4 has been confirmed, unless I'm mistaken.
Well, he could, if they want to kill off the show.
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Well, it's clear he's not going to take the job. My question is *WHY* isn't he going to?
It seems like the perfect opportunity, so I feel there is a good reason he won't take it
Loyalty to Harvey? I don't think that's enough
Forced by Jessica somehow/for some reason? Seems reasonable but I'm not sure why she would
Loves to be a lawyer? I don't know that he does exactly, just likes something challenging to use his abilities on.
Not really sure atm.
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Mike always wanted to be a lawyer. Parents, strong sense of justice and all that shit. Maybe now that he learned that + Show Spoiler +his father wasn't totally clean the day they got into their car accident
If it doesn't I really don't see a better reason to refuse the job. You want to be a lawyer, you go for it, you don't become some kind of trader or whatever instead.
I think this will be about Mike deciding which kind of lawyer he wants to be rather than about loyalty to Harvey or the firm.
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On March 29 2014 22:23 Complete wrote:
Well, it's clear he's not going to take the job. My question is *WHY* isn't he going to?
It seems like the perfect opportunity, so I feel there is a good reason he won't take it
Loyalty to Harvey? I don't think that's enough
Forced by Jessica somehow/for some reason? Seems reasonable but I'm not sure why she would
Loves to be a lawyer? I don't know that he does exactly, just likes something challenging to use his abilities on.
Not really sure atm.
Especially since both Rachel and Harvey apparently are telling Mike that he should be taking the new job, and they're the 2 most important people in his life (RIP Mike's Grammy).
I think the simplest way is for Mike and Tony's #2 to have a falling out over a dispute (or something random, like the #2 ends up going to jail or is otherwise rendered unable to start this new business). That would be sad though, as the #2 seems like a decently nice guy, sincere in wanting to help Mike as reciprocation (or else why offer Mike the job in the first place), and if this job offering idea gets nipped in the bud, I think the writers would be missing out on a really interesting wrench in the mix to explore.
I actually hope that Mike takes the job, Harvey doesn't want a new #2 and runs through a couple lame substitutes (like how he was forced to get a new secretary when Donna was gone, despite him shutting each one down), then Mike realizes that he's unhappy with his new job and that environment, and comes back. It would at least last 2-3 episodes instead of the immediate New Twist -> Immediate Resolution that we often see spanning only one episode. Keeps the cliffhangers going...
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On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it).
The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ.
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On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:Show nested quote +On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ.
Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there.
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That's not even what I said. Don't misquote people lease.
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On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there.
i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example
being a lawyer is really only working for yourself
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Science isn't about remembering things though. Mike hasn't shown an ability to think of new things, merely rehashing what has happened in the past. I actually think being a lawyer is a perfect field for someone like him since it's all based on precedent and not thinking of new things or concepts.
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On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself
it's like people conveniently forgot that he likes practicing the law...
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On March 30 2014 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself it's like people conveniently forgot that he likes practicing the law...
I'm not at all trying to question you, it's just something I've thought about since last nights episode. Do you have any paticular reasons/scenes/evidence in mind you say he loves to practice the law? I admit I can't remember a significant amount of previous seasons. I just wonder if there's a way to clarify him loving to practice law, and him liking having a good, challenging, well paying, respectable job.
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On March 30 2014 02:44 Complete wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself it's like people conveniently forgot that he likes practicing the law... I'm not at all trying to question you, it's just something I've thought about since last nights episode. Do you have any paticular reasons/scenes/evidence in mind you say he loves to practice the law? I admit I can't remember a significant amount of previous seasons. I just wonder if there's a way to clarify him loving to practice law, and him liking having a good, challenging, well paying, respectable job.
other than the fact that's its been quoted like a million times in the previous seasons that his life's goal was to practice law, but fucked that up by helping people cheat on tests.
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On March 30 2014 02:44 Complete wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:59 wei2coolman wrote:On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself it's like people conveniently forgot that he likes practicing the law... I'm not at all trying to question you, it's just something I've thought about since last nights episode. Do you have any paticular reasons/scenes/evidence in mind you say he loves to practice the law? I admit I can't remember a significant amount of previous seasons. I just wonder if there's a way to clarify him loving to practice law, and him liking having a good, challenging, well paying, respectable job.
He always wanted to practice law, even applied to Harvard for law school and got in, he was already studying law/ for the bar on his own, etc. etc. etc. He's 100% content with his current occupation, except for the fact that he can never take credit for the work he deserves to take credit for. But this is what he always wanted to do.
And to Takuma and evil: having a photographic memory and being able to recall all cases and loopholes have been incredibly helpful for his current job... and he certainly doesn't think he's *only helping himself* or *not making a contribution to the world*. He's always the angel on Harvey's shoulder insisting that Harvey *care about the client*, rather than just caring about winning.
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On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself
yeah hes definitly not smart, just a photographic memory.
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On March 30 2014 05:56 Erasme wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself yeah hes definitly not smart, just a photographic memory.
Mike is a genius. He understands everything instantly, and once he understands it, he knows it and never forgets it (that's like word for word what he says in the pilot). That's not "just a photographic memory", if anything the impressive memory is a side effect of his intellect prowesses. I'm not saying that everything he does in the series is genius, but the show's creators clearly intended for Mike to be some kind of genius level dude.
I think it's pretty clear that Mike could have been anything he desired. It turns out that what he wants to be is "lawyer". There was never any doubt about it in the series. It was always about "what kind of lawyer he wants to be".
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On March 30 2014 08:01 ZenithM wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 05:56 Erasme wrote:On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself yeah hes definitly not smart, just a photographic memory. Mike is a genius. He understands everything instantly, and once he understands it, he knows it and never forgets it (that's like word for word what he says in the pilot). That's not "just a photographic memory", if anything the impressive memory is a side effect of his intellect prowesses. I'm not saying that everything he does in the series is genius, but the show's creators clearly intended for Mike to be some kind of genius level dude. I think it's pretty clear that Mike could have been anything he desired. It turns out that what he wants to be is "lawyer". There was never any doubt about it in the series. It was always about "what kind of lawyer he wants to be".
Agreed, and I thought Erasme might have actually just been sarcastic there ^^ Mike got into Harvard on his own, and his only drawback is his inexperience leading to occasional naivety on cases with moral situations (which he's getting better at predicting and not being taken advantage of as easily).
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On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there.
the problem is working at a top-tier law firm at his level is absolutely terrible. he'd be getting paid crap all while working 100 hour weeks, rachel would be getting paid even less, though she has daddy money of course.
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On March 30 2014 01:44 evilfatsh1t wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. i think what he means is if someone has that kind of ability it would be better for him to do something in which he could contribute to society/the world. science for example being a lawyer is really only working for yourself
And besides, being a lawyer like Mike meant to be at first doesn't seem like a selfish job to me. Granted though, being a corporate lawyer is probably not the most uninterested version of the profession ;D
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On March 30 2014 08:49 Doraemon wrote:Show nested quote +On March 30 2014 01:34 micronesia wrote:On March 30 2014 00:09 Takuma wrote:On March 29 2014 21:55 Numy wrote:
Mike better not take that job. From a purely selfish point of view, it would probably be the right thing to do for a more "rewarding life", but he wouldn't even be where he is if it weren't for Harvey. Now it depends on how Harvey reacts to it (he's obviously gonna tell him go for it, but we know how he will feel if Mike does take it). The guy's got a fucking photographic memory and the best he can do is work at a law firm? Jesus fucking Christ. Do you want to expand on this? With his brain what should he be doing? Also, you make it sound like working at a top-tier law firm is somehow an embarrassment in level of prestige... not sure if I agree there. the problem is working at a top-tier law firm at his level is absolutely terrible. he'd be getting paid crap all while working 100 hour weeks, rachel would be getting paid even less, though she has daddy money of course.
It was made very clear in the episode that Mike is making some bank from bonuses... not just the typical associate pay.... and associate pay isn't chopped liver either. If not for the bonuses though, yea he's probably getting underpaid for his abilities... but his baggage can't be neglected either.
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