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On June 24 2012 13:11 neobowman wrote:
Anyone else realize that Irou and the United Forces did pretty much nothing?
Not true. They DIED!
On one hand its understandable losing to fuckin FIGHTER PLANES when beforehand they didn't even exist, but its a shame they did like absolutely nothing at all.
Found this on reddit
"I believe this was everyone's reaction"
http://i.imgur.com/K4JzZ.jpg
I found it funny cause that was word-for-word emotion-for-emotion exactly what happened w/ me. Even said it out loud.
Overall I liked it but I feel it was weak compared to the rest of the series.
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On June 24 2012 13:11 neobowman wrote:
Anyone else realize that Irou and the United Forces did pretty much nothing?
Well Iroh was ok, I think the united forces was just to implicate the power that the revolutionists had obtained.
Edit: Did anybody else feel reminded of pearl harbor? :O
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Kentor
United States5784 Posts
mako is a huge douche canoe man
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What are they going to call series 2 though? Korra + Show Spoiler +already learned airbending
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And that she just went Avatar state at the end for no reason... that made me LOL pretty hard.
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It had some pretty awesome moments, but when I look back on it I just feel like there were a lot of copouts or unexplained happenings.
I'm not entirely sure how hard they want the viewer to think when watching this sort of show, but I can't help but say "why?" to a lot of the things that happened in these last two episodes.
Still good, but a lot of decisions and unexplained things really detract from it for me.
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On June 24 2012 12:45 Millitron wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 10:56 dnld12 wrote:On June 24 2012 08:26 Galaxy613 wrote:On June 24 2012 07:53 dnld12 wrote:Just ifinished it. I dont see how they can make a new season though  . it woudl be pointless Oh yes, exploring the restoration of Republic City, getting to know more about Bumi, Iroh, and how Asumi and Bolin undoubtably get together is a pointless season... They probably aren't writing this by the seat of their pants and have a good story for next season too. It definitely it's like TLA but there still are hills to climb for Korra. It would be pointless because A: there is no foreshadowing of new events. The 'main' Bad guy has been resolved. There is no introduction of new conflict. Therefore any characters, exploring them, is pointless since You already completed EVERY TRIAL. For example: Bending powers, Korra solved it. Korra losing powers, solved. Romance issues, solved (horribly -_-) Family issues, Solved. Main bad guy: Dead. So.... Yeah, it would be pointless. The reason why Avatar L.T.A.B. worked so well is because each season built on one another. This is the water, where he learns water. Than the water sets up earth. And than Earth sets up fire. And than you Gain a continuous season in which, at the end of every season, you have something new to look forward into the new season. That makes every season 'worth' something and continuous. I feer that Korra is creating a Vacuum series. IN which every season is its own thing, which takes away from the 'experience.' since now: NOTHING MATTERS. The main bad guy had been killed at the end of TLA's first season too. But just like in TLA, the villain's organization still exists. Just like killing Zhao didn't end the Fire Nation, killing Amon won't end the Equalist movement. Remember, plenty of non-benders still feel oppressed and harbor sympathy for the Equalists (me included). Honestly, I think LOK's strongest points have been when it deals with societal struggles, which would make season 2 incredible. All the romance and pro-bending nonsense is out of the way, so we can have a whole season focusing on the big cultural issues.
Thats because in TLA. YOu had the overarching story line of "Must master all four elements to defeat the firenation."
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On June 24 2012 13:17 Crazyeyes wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 13:11 neobowman wrote:
Anyone else realize that Irou and the United Forces did pretty much nothing? Not true. They DIED! On one hand its understandable losing to fuckin FIGHTER PLANES when beforehand they didn't even exist, but its a shame they did like absolutely nothing at all. Found this on reddit "I believe this was everyone's reaction" http://i.imgur.com/K4JzZ.jpgI found it funny cause that was word-for-word emotion-for-emotion exactly what happened w/ me. Even said it out loud. Overall I liked it but I feel it was weak compared to the rest of the series.
As soon as I saw planes in the commercial, I knew the fleet was toast. The people making Avatar have always been really good about making things sensible in the real world where applicable, and in real life, bombers and torpedo planes are a conventional navy's worst nightmare.
On June 24 2012 13:26 dnld12 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 12:45 Millitron wrote:On June 24 2012 10:56 dnld12 wrote:On June 24 2012 08:26 Galaxy613 wrote:On June 24 2012 07:53 dnld12 wrote:Just ifinished it. I dont see how they can make a new season though . it woudl be pointless Oh yes, exploring the restoration of Republic City, getting to know more about Bumi, Iroh, and how Asumi and Bolin undoubtably get together is a pointless season... They probably aren't writing this by the seat of their pants and have a good story for next season too. It definitely it's like TLA but there still are hills to climb for Korra. It would be pointless because A: there is no foreshadowing of new events. The 'main' Bad guy has been resolved. There is no introduction of new conflict. Therefore any characters, exploring them, is pointless since You already completed EVERY TRIAL. For example: Bending powers, Korra solved it. Korra losing powers, solved. Romance issues, solved (horribly -_-) Family issues, Solved. Main bad guy: Dead. So.... Yeah, it would be pointless. The reason why Avatar L.T.A.B. worked so well is because each season built on one another. This is the water, where he learns water. Than the water sets up earth. And than Earth sets up fire. And than you Gain a continuous season in which, at the end of every season, you have something new to look forward into the new season. That makes every season 'worth' something and continuous. I feer that Korra is creating a Vacuum series. IN which every season is its own thing, which takes away from the 'experience.' since now: NOTHING MATTERS. The main bad guy had been killed at the end of TLA's first season too. But just like in TLA, the villain's organization still exists. Just like killing Zhao didn't end the Fire Nation, killing Amon won't end the Equalist movement. Remember, plenty of non-benders still feel oppressed and harbor sympathy for the Equalists (me included). Honestly, I think LOK's strongest points have been when it deals with societal struggles, which would make season 2 incredible. All the romance and pro-bending nonsense is out of the way, so we can have a whole season focusing on the big cultural issues. Thats because in TLA. YOu had the overarching story line of "Must master all four elements to defeat the firenation."
You still have an overarching storyline. Millions of non-benders feel disenfranchised and oppressed by the benders. Korra's also still probably not great at being spiritual. Just because she's done it once or twice doesn't mean she's a full blown guru.
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Especially when those things are suddenly all invented at the same time and brought into combat out of nowhere.
Bolin's right. Where the fuck does he find the time? How do you test those things without anyone knowing?
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On June 24 2012 13:17 Crazyeyes wrote:Found this on reddit "I believe this was everyone's reaction" http://i.imgur.com/K4JzZ.jpgI found it funny cause that was word-for-word emotion-for-emotion exactly what happened w/ me. Even said it out loud.
That is just too funny, same for me. I even had the same facial expressions.
As for my take on the series, i enjoyed it up tell the last couple of minutes. Then it just pulls things out of its ass to give us a cheesy happy ending. I mean the series had some great build up in it, but it was just never able to execute the potential that build up gave.
But for god sakes i hope they leave the whole korra romance alone if they do a next season. Coming from a person who likes a bit of romance in the plot, it was just uninteresting.
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lol so much of the ending could have been turned into an epic season haha
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Just some speculation: Airbending is the most spiritual intuned element. Korra was almost completely blocked from her spiritual side, which could explain her peoblems connecting to the avatar state as well as airbeding. Amon seems to "reverse" this, so if you bend you no longer can bend. In korra's case he reversed her more physical bending nature with her nearly non existant spiritual powers. So while she can't do the more physical water, earth, an fire bending, it awakens her spiritual side and allows her to airbend at last.
As for the random avatar state, she was completely depressed. TLA spread aang's uncertainties and depression of neesing to kill ozai over many episodes, while LoK rushed it and just did it in a minute. But we can all assume the entire ride back to the southern water tribe she was devastated and depressed. She reached the lowest part in her life where she felt she lost everything (being unable to bend 3 of the elements, and feeling as if she can no longer be a proper avatar), then when she gives up on herself completely and runs away from mako and the others aang appears, gives his speech, then teaches her energy bending. While this isn't shown completely, we can fairly well assume this is what happens by what is said and everyone's actions.
All in all, i liked the series 
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Omfg I was typing a huge text and I lost it stupidly lol. So here goes! Gonna be written more poorly but I can clarify later if it's not making sense...
(First, isn't it a spoiler that the first season concludes the "Amon arc"? or did the creators only release that information after the finale?)
People are saying the finale was bad. Seriously? Also remember this is a 12 episode season. Even compared to anime, 11-13 episodes is rarely done well (i'm talking about story oriented anime, not like slice of life or just comedy). For western animation, this is really great. Compared to anime, this finale is also great.
People say there's deux ex machina. I don't see it. And did you really let a couple things you didn't like or didn't want to happen stop you from enjoying the finale? Use your imagination.
I'll just be brief so I'll list the different complaints and possible explanations or ways you can look at it.
"Deus Ex Machina"
1) Avatar State.
You could say that she was growing spiritually the whole time, under Tenzin's training. She was able to connect with Aang with the flashbacks remember? You could also say that her defeating Amon or Amon messing with her chi/chakra allowed her to connect to Aang even more. Maybe simply because she defeated Amon, who is Yakonne's son, whom Aang defeated, helped them link together.
2) Air bending.
You could say that Amon didn't know how to block airbending. After all he didn't do it before.
You could say that Amon got overconfident and thought she wouldn't be able to airbend still since he may have known she had problems with that previously (unlikely and a bit uncharacteristic).
More probable: The 4 bending styles are different. Together they are harmonious. By blocking the 3 Korra had, the last one (air) grew stronger. Or perhaps you simply can't block all 4! That would be like blocking your life energy, causing her to die, right?
3) Taking bending / bloodbending / giving back bending.
There are 2 points in the body that Amon used bloodbending (to reverse the blood/chi/energy/chakra or mess it up) to "take" bending away. Those are the forehead and throat. Both are blocked by illusions and lies, respectively. So they actually still "can" still bend, they just need to get their spiritual side / chi / chakra back on track.
Question though: Did they originally plan to explain it, now plan to explain it in the 2nd season, or did they think those who would wondered enough about it would find out themselves? (After all, the guru guy in TLA explained the 7 locations/kinds of chakra).
Others' Complaints
Iroh not caring about his army.
Use your imagination. Perhaps some of them escaped. Maybe some made it to shore but were captured. Remember Iroh was probably unconscious or literally exhausted. Perhaps he was out of energy. Also if they saw the Avatar there for longer perhaps they would have realized it was the avatar and captured her. Again, use your imagination.
Pacing and/or lost potential.
What? The finale was great. It was not too fast. Things made sense. Maybe I'm just used to the fast pace though, which is common in a lot of anime too. The ending may have been slightly cheesy/rushed but again, it's 12 episodes. What do you expect? They can't spend more time developing her depression, or else it would be even longer than the finale itself. For the time you have to put in to watch 12 episodes, the result was good. If you want a better result, invest more time in a longer series/season/story-arc.
I also do not see how they could have lengthened the plot points... the finale was juicy and unpredictable. Maybe they could have lengthened some things but would it display the messages the writers wanted? Would it have been quality over quantity? I doubt both.
My thoughts on the show:
Great for 12 episodes. I'm not saying I don't like this choice but they gave it closure, instead of having a sort of cliff hanger (like in TLA) for the next season. Actually some people said they could have ended it after the suicide scene. I think it would have been a decent spot to end at. But there are some downsides to having a
Cliff Hanger after Suicide Scene
1) Too morbid of a scene to have it be the ending.
2) Too sad, since people may think Korra seriously lost her bending.
3) Too stupid, since people may think Korra will have to relearn all the bending (not everyone knows the show is only 2 seasons long!)
Also it was sort of a cliffhanger already, as there was a commercial break right after that. People said the ending pacing was bad. It was sort of bad, but not too bad. Remember there was a commercial break, which affects the pacing. Perhaps it was factored in when the show was being made.
I think they finished the story of the first season before a second one was greenlit.
Also as for the closure of the first season. It seems that that was what they had planned for the original 1 season of LoK. Why didn't they have her find out she can reverse bending in the second season, or have us wonder if she really lost her bending or not? Perhaps due to just how animating work, they didn't find it worth it to go back and change the storyboards or whatnot. After all, according to when we got a public announcement of a greenlit 2nd season, it may have already been too late to go back and change the first season (again, without messing up the story and already planned pacing/script).
The ending was a bit rushed but it wasn't bad. I wouldn't call it rushed, but could it be better? Sure, but so can anything.
Action/Dramaticness
It was GREAT. Iroh (though sort of a random character) and Bumi were awesome. But ultimately, the bloodbending didn't make Amon too OP. Think of how hard it must have been to avoid people from saying to themselves "The hero is coming! Yay -- oh wait, they're being bloodbent. Someone's coming to rescue them -- oh wait, nevermind. Ok we're just going to keep staring at them writhing in pain... what now...?" They got bloodbent a lot still, but it didn't get too stale. The last time, Korra had a Crowning Moment of Awesome by resisting Amon's bloodbending "No - you - don't!". Now for her to resist him, she must be really strong... but this "problem" was downplayed due to the epicness. Also you could just say Amon started getting tired, lol.
I thought it was epic how Mako zapped Amon. That was badass. The lieutenant was epic as well (Did he die...? I guess they left that to interpretation). Obviously I wondered why (though of course it was just on impulse/rage) he didn't just tell everyone first, but then I realize they were saving the moment of the truth getting out for the dramatic scene of Amon revealing his bending.
Also Tenzin was epic. Most importantly Amon didn't look too OP.
Btw why did Korra run into that room...? Weren't they trying to escape...? (Just thought it was awkward Korra didn't tell the others or anything, but ofc that fits her personality).
The scarred face was awesome. I was like... what? Did tarrlok lie, or maybe Amon will be in the 2nd season too now? I thought the red stuff in the water was blood actually, haha... then I realized...
The scene with Aang was epic. The way she floated and shot all 4 elements again, it was like a Crowning Moment of Awesome. A bit weird? Maybe, but remember it's only a 12 episode season and they planned on only having 1 cour originally.
Suicide Scene and Remorse for Amon
About the suicide scene. When Tarrlok decided to go with Amon, he seemed depressed. Was he planning on killing him sometime, or did he only think of that on the boat? Or perhaps Amon talking about "there's nothing the two of us can't do together!" made him realize that Amon is still going to abuse his power, and that them leaving Republic City just like his father -- and trying to enact revenge, would simply have them trapped in the viscous cycle their own father started? (Of course, the suicide scene was also emotional and a convenient way to end the Amon/Tarrlok thing, so that might have been a big factor in that.)
Can't believe they had a suicide scene lol! It was so good though! The peaceful/morbid music, Amon's brotherly figure driving the boat, the beautiful/grey sky, Amon's softened face, and the tears. Idk about the mushroom cloud though. Is that even realistic? Maybe it would have been better just to be a spherical shaped explosion.
I love how they made us feel remorse for Amon. After all, he isn't a "pure evil" kind of guy. He just wants to take away bending to make things more fair. He wasn't killing people (well there was a war, but that's more accepted in our society than simply murdering people). The backstory gives meaning to his actions. After all, his father was fucked up. Then he ran away. He lost the rest of his childhood and his family. His character in trying to change the world was fitting. Of course he would hate bending. Also again, the suicide scene. His softened face hinted that maybe he had changed, realized his foolishness in doing what his father wanted him to do. (That brings me to a few questions though.) Also, he got a bit overconfident (accidentally revealing his waterbending? thinking Korra was done for?), and that helped lead to his downfall, though still making him badass.
Did the creators leave it ambiguous, or maybe it would have been too awkward given the time, to explain it more in detail, or did Amon really want to live a "good" life? He said "there's nothing the two of us can't do together!" which sounded cynical, hinting that he wanted to abuse his power still. His softened face suggests the first.
The scene where Amon (accidentally? he was in a panic situation after all, close to drowning) revealed his waterbending, was so awesome. His expression, his hair, and even the motions he made to escape were epic. That moment when everything just goes wrong.
Headscratchers
A little thing. There were way too many Avatars that showed up, haha. There were like a couple hundred maybe? If each one lived 50 years (that's generous), there have been Avatars for like 10,000 years... I think that's a bit of a stretch.
Romance. I hope the kids don't get the wrong idea that it's OK to cheat on your girlfriend, lol. You could look at the scene between Asami and Mako as them mutually agreeing to put their relationship on hold or something, but kids might not see that deeply. They said "care" not "love", and she kissed him on the cheek, instead of on the lips. Also perhaps Asami realized that Mako probably does love Korra more, and wanted to give him space, if that were true. But again kids might be like, wtf why is Mako kissing Korra again? XD
Btw I'm really glad Asami didn't betray them, haha. Once again, the finale turned out in a way I didn't expect it to!
Why didn't Amon give back Tarrlok his bending...? He doesn't know how to "unblock" his chakras? Or, if we are to believe he was still cynical and evil, he didn't want to give Tarrlok back his bending since he may be a threat?
Concluding Thoughts
Overall, the finale was great. The show was great as well. Once again it sets a new standard/milestone in western animation. Compared to many anime, it is also good.
I wonder how the 2nd Season is going to be like. Could be anything, really. Someone explained it might have to do with deciding if she should return everybody's bending or not (including gang leaders). I think it will probably deal with a new idea though. Let's see... what else is there in the Avatar universe they may want to address...?
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On June 24 2012 14:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
I'll just be brief
Lies.
Final was good overall. It's never really explained how bloodbending can permanently block other bending, but Amon was obviously a master bender, so I'll accept it for now.
Mako and Korra professing their wuv was hard to watch. Was really rooting for Asami...
Legitimate complaint/concern: Amon blocked Korra's earth, fire, and water chakra's, leaving her seemingly bendless, but she then is able to airbend out of desperation afterwards, raises concerns. How did Amon know that Korra hadn't been airbending up until that point? Had he known, he would have blocked that too. And she's the avatar! Shouldn't he have blocked airbending as means of precaution? And if you say he doesn't know how to block airbending, then how was he about to take the bending away of Tenzin and his kids earlier? It seems so convenient.
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PEOPLE CALM DOWN!!
You are over reacting. Breathe... deep.
Now, yes, the series was rushed. Yes, the whole avatar journey was cut short. But, ask yourselves, haven't we seen that already?
Personally, I'm excited, because now LOK is going to have to go way beyond just bending for seasons 2 and (possibly) 3. Isn't that exciting? Don't you want to know what's next?
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You'd think that after a couple of invasions into the Equalists' secret and public rallies by their number one priority target and her allies, they'd get better gate security... I still don't understand how they are backed by the richest inventor in Republic City yet cannot implement a guard ID system so a random guy can't put on a mask and uniform and walk into their secret lairs and high security holding facilities (they seem to have a lot of those). And you'd think that they'd focus some more man power on keeping captive the man who can bring down a citywide coup with the information he had on Amon.
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Ares[Effort]
DEMACIA6550 Posts
Loved it! Can't wait for season 2, anyone know when it airs?
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I was very disappointed in this finale. Too much happened, too little had a foundation in past occurences, and too many moments had missed their opportunities. Seriously, going Avatar 30 seconds before the credits for absolutely no reason after a solid 45 minutes of reasons to go Avatar?
Surprise rewrite of Tarrlok's background to accomodate an Amon background? Tarrlok had stated that he had to change his identity after his father's shame. Now his father changed his identity instead and Tarrlok wasn't even born yet? I feel like the series was written on the fly, episode to episode.
Tenzin and his family inexplicably captured after having shown them escaping. No explanations after the fact.
Amon blocks Korra's bending but fails to block her airbending, which she suddenly gains access to due to Mako's imperilment (which would be a fantastic way to unlock firebending, but airbending? Doesn't follow canon.). The only way I can comprehend Amon "missing" airbending is that he has to "aim" for the bending he wants to lock and didn't bother with air. We know he can block airbending if he wishes to since he was about to do it to the four remaining known airbenders.
Accepting the Tarrlok/Amon background, what is with those two? Are they both pulling petals off of a daisy and saying to themselves "I love my brother, I'll kill my brother, I love my brother, I'll kill my brother"?
There were other, much less important things I had gripes with. Just none near as bad as these. The creators say they like the 12-14 episode range and I think they should go with 14. 12 episodes are clearly just not enough for them to sensibly work in all the plot points they want.
On June 24 2012 15:09 Ares[Effort] wrote:
Loved it! Can't wait for season 2, anyone know when it airs?
No broadcast date announced.
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I re-watched and overall I think that if Konietzko & DiMartino did know they had the green light for a second season to expand on the TLK universe before finishing the initial 12, the finale would have probably been different in order to better bridge the two together. When people talk of Deus Ex Machina, Avatar State should be expected within that realm as it is the Avatar's built-in Deus Ex Machina, using past lives' powers to empower her own. I just didn't think Aang would energybend her bending back, kinda demeans Amon's threat level if he had a definitive counter gifted via DEM/Avatar State.
Bloodbending deserves a thorough explanation, especially if bloodbending and chi points resulting in bending blockages are possible. Aang and Katara could have been the ultimate power couple knocking heads and taking names/bending powers from evildoers! XD The above poster brings up a good point as to why Airbending was not blocked where a good explanation could range to bloodbending not being able to block paths that have never been opened before (Korra never airbending prior to fight). It's just kinda sad that Amon's lackies were easily able to take out Tenzin (aka Master Airbender dude) multiple times with their tools, while Amon himself couldn't even stop the Avatar's second long airbending. lol
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On June 24 2012 15:14 ShoKakuUtena wrote:
I re-watched and overall I think that if Konietzko & DiMartino did know they had the green light for a second season to expand on the TLK universe before finishing the initial 12, the finale would have probably been different in order to better bridge the two together. When people talk of Deus Ex Machina, Avatar State should be expected within that realm as it is the Avatar's built-in Deus Ex Machina, using past lives' powers to empower her own. I just didn't think Aang would energybend her bending back, kinda demeans Amon's threat level if he had a definitive counter gifted via DEM/Avatar State.
Bloodbending deserves a thorough explanation, especially if bloodbending and chi points resulting in bending blockages are possible. Aang and Katara could have been the ultimate power couple knocking heads and taking names/bending powers from evildoers! XD The above poster brings up a good point as to why Airbending was not blocked where a good explanation could range to bloodbending not being able to block paths that have never been opened before (Korra never airbending prior to fight). It's just kinda sad that Amon's lackies were easily able to take out Tenzin (aka Master Airbender dude) multiple times with their tools, while Amon himself couldn't even stop the Avatar's second long airbending. lol
I think if they hadn't been sure of a season 2 when they wrote season 1, they would've had her unlock airbending and the avatar state earlier than the last 3 minutes of the season.
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