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Well i certainly liked the finale. And the whole series in general...just a few of my thoughts...
I am really interested in the Avatar series in general and i think its incredibly similar to how Doctor Who in a narrative sense. The concept of the Avatar Cycle is pretty much the same as Time-Lord Regeneration because both effectively let you completely retool their respective series to change with the times and keep a rich sense of continuity which is the kind of thing i love in a series.
Hell Avatar probably has more of an advantage with its mythos because new Avatars are completely different characters while new Doctor can certainly vary but ultimately have to stay true to the characters core traits on some level. And of course the spirit world is FAR better method of being able to have old characters show up again than trying write around a time-travel plot to have different Doctors meet.
Anyway On to LoK, overall i still consider this a really good series. I think about 95% of the issues most people bring up can be blamed on one thing: Pacing.
The plot just moves too damn fast....early on it seemed rather efficient and tolerable but around the 2nd 1/2 of the season it started to be far more noticeable. I think the 2 best examples are back in episode 8 (When Extremes Meet) and the Finale Episodes.
8. The scene where Korra gets upset when Tarlock gives her crap about not mastering air bending yet. It makes perfect sense that she would be crying and feeling like crap about it. However when her friends go over to her, cheer her up, and then immediately form their new team avatar anti Equalist patrol it feels REALLY damn rushed. A very easy solution could have been as followed; Korras friends would try to cheer her up by taking her out to the city for some fun, maybe see some of Republic City nightlife or see a movie or something. This would give Korra time to start feeling better and having fun which would then lead to them going to crowed area where Equalists happen to attack which leads to a cheered up Korra feeling pissed and ready to fight them. Forming a new team Avatar.
Finale: Probably would have been better as a 3-parter to show more of the Republic Army, General Bumi etc. The main issue was Korra losing her bending then getting it back WAY too fast. She should have lost her bending in the first of 2nd (out of 3) episodes and NOT the same one where she gets her bending back. This would give her the stress of not having the power she used to but still have the threat of Amon to deal with adding more tension over a longer period of time, building up to her awakening her air bending.
Looking forward to how they handle season 2, i hope they fix this pacing issue. I also like the idea of getting a season with a fully realized Avatar now. The Avatar learning his/her elements was getting old anyway; it has been done to death at this point.
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On June 24 2012 15:12 urashimakt wrote:
I feel like the series was written on the fly, episode to episode.
I do too. They take too much from the forums.
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On June 24 2012 14:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Headscratchers
A little thing. There were way too many Avatars that showed up, haha. There were like a couple hundred maybe? If each one lived 50 years (that's generous), there have been Avatars for like 10,000 years... I think that's a bit of a stretch.
somebody forgot about this episode of last airbender
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Avatars have existed since the beginning of time, the avatar is the spirit of the earth itself. If the avatar cycle stops, it basically means the end of the world.
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On June 24 2012 15:40 aeroblaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 14:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Headscratchers
A little thing. There were way too many Avatars that showed up, haha. There were like a couple hundred maybe? If each one lived 50 years (that's generous), there have been Avatars for like 10,000 years... I think that's a bit of a stretch. somebody forgot about this episode of last airbender Avatars have existed since the beginning of time, the avatar is the spirit of the earth itself. If the avatar cycle stops, it basically means the end of the world.
Avatars have not existed since the beginning of time. You'll remember the lion turtle talking about the time before avatars, when benders bent not the elements but the energy within themselves.
Before the arrival of the Avatar into the world and the separation of the four elements, people bent the energy within themselves. At some point, they discovered the other four bending arts, and, over time, the knowledge to perform energybending was almost completely lost. The last known keeper of the art was the ancient lion turtle, who later passed it down to Avatar Aang, who used the ability to remove Fire Lord Ozai's firebending forever, and then, twenty-eight years later, used it to remove Yakone's ability to waterbend.
This also means the world probably doesn't end if the Avatar cycle stops, as it temporarily did when Azula killed Aang.
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Solid finale, and great series overall, but I found the ending a bit disappointing
+ Show Spoiler + What I really enjoyed about the show was that how the actions and cause of the antagonist, Amon, were somewhat justified. In the eyes of the hundreds of thousands of non-benders, Amon was almost a symbol of liberation and justice.The non-benders were being repressed and many of them had a valid cause to support Amon and attempting to topple the tyranny of the benders. Amon's revolution was obviously way too extreme and flawed in a bunch of ways, but I felt empathetic to the equalist cause. It was an interesting way to express the outcry of a downtrodden minority. I really enjoyed the gray morality that show sort of built, in that both the benders and non-benders felt like they were doing the right thing to make the world a better place.
However, I disliked how they made Amon into an irredeemable megavillian who just abused his blood bending power to wreck everything. He used a non-water proof red paint to just draw scars on his face and made up some BS story. After Tarlock just info dumped us with Amon's true identity, we realize that Amon's cause is totally fake and he's just using the revolution to eliminate bending because his daddy abused him with it. It suddenly turned the somewhat gray morality into just a black and white one, where the guys in white beat the guys in black and save the world. Also I thought it was going to be interesting how Korra lost her bending, and I thought it would be cool if she would be like a broken avatar and just try her best with just air bending. But suddenly Aang just pops up and fixes everything like it aint no thang. I felt like this trivialized the impact of losing one's bending and took away any lasting effect Amon could have had on the avatar.
My gripes were pretty much they just made it into a good guys win, bad guys lose show, and had a cheery sunshines and rainbows everything is fine ending. Also Mako is a douche for cheating on Asami. ./endrant.
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I just saw the ending and i loved the show Avatar in general. I wish the plot could have had Zuko's mom more, but i cant complain. In Avatar: the last airbender, This is something that has been on my mind, AAng dies Zuko's sister shoots him with lightning. He was in the Avatar state, so i think that legend of Korra should not of had happened, on the account that, when a avatar dies in the avatar state, the cycle is broken. All in all, i loved the series and i wish i could find out what happens to Zuko's mother.
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On June 24 2012 03:51 CrimsonLotus wrote:
While it indeed felt rushed and too heavy on the deus ex machina, it's necessary to remember that in the end it's still a kid's show... with murder/suicide between brothers...
Holy crap, why weren't cartoons this dark and awesome when I was a kid?
I've read a lot of people saying how could they show that, but does anyone remember TLA? Firelord Sozin using the comets energy to wipe out an entire race of people? Zukos mother saving him, but his grandfather dies in the process? Aang constantly battling with himself with how he should handle Firelord Ozai. Everyone telling him to kill him, yet he wants to find a different way?
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Overall I really liked the series and the ending. Some parts did feel rushed, but overall I enjoyed it.
+ Show Spoiler +I was freaking out when she lost her bending and there was only 5 minutes left in the episode. I was like "NOOO we're going to have to wait for a whole new season until we find out what happens?!?! AHHH!
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What's with all the PHD analysis? It's basically written for 12 year olds, sorry...
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I dont know why you guys are complaining about LOK. Yes it was rushed and little underwhelming and i hated the romance with Mako and Korra but in the end it all tied up nicely. They did preety good job with the limited time they had to work with and overall it was really good.
The visions of Korra make more sense because Amon was still somehow tied with them. I still beleive Amon is not dead and he will make a comeback in the next season.
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i think the target audience for this series is 10-15, so i didn't really expect super intricate story writing at all; I enjoyed the show. But one thing i'm afraid of is the lack of material for the next season, one prime villain of the "extend the series another season!" is bleach (manga) (just a rant). They might have to introduce brand new antagonist to make the story interesting.
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It was good and solid over all, but it could have been amazing. For it "just" to be a good show "written for 12 year olds" feels somewhat like a waste. Maybe I'm just nit picky.
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I fucking love this shit. I'm a little sad that they seemed to have rushed through the finale a little. At least with the whole Amon storyline, but I loved it. I feel so damn bad for Tarlok and Amon. I think great villains make great stories and Amon was so good. I really hope he didn't die =/
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On June 24 2012 15:40 aeroblaster wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 14:16 Yoshi Kirishima wrote:
Headscratchers
A little thing. There were way too many Avatars that showed up, haha. There were like a couple hundred maybe? If each one lived 50 years (that's generous), there have been Avatars for like 10,000 years... I think that's a bit of a stretch. somebody forgot about this episode of last airbender Avatars have existed since the beginning of time, the avatar is the spirit of the earth itself. If the avatar cycle stops, it basically means the end of the world.
Oh, thanks. Pretty consistent then.
But like the other guy said, there was a time before the Avatars.
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On June 24 2012 17:02 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
i think the target audience for this series is 10-15, so i didn't really expect super intricate story writing at all; I enjoyed the show. But one thing i'm afraid of is the lack of material for the next season, one prime villain of the "extend the series another season!" is bleach (manga) (just a rant). They might have to introduce brand new antagonist to make the story interesting.
They said each season would be a standalone thing, so season 1 is resolved and season 2 will be its' own thing with its' own villain.
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On June 24 2012 18:29 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 17:02 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
i think the target audience for this series is 10-15, so i didn't really expect super intricate story writing at all; I enjoyed the show. But one thing i'm afraid of is the lack of material for the next season, one prime villain of the "extend the series another season!" is bleach (manga) (just a rant). They might have to introduce brand new antagonist to make the story interesting. They said each season would be a standalone thing, so season 1 is resolved and season 2 will be its' own thing with its' own villain.
They said that partly because LoK was only supposed to be 12 episodes long, so they wrote it so everything ties up by the last episode. Now that we know there will be a second and third season, they could write longer stories without being rushed.
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On June 24 2012 18:29 Serelitz wrote:Show nested quote +On June 24 2012 17:02 iKill[ShocK] wrote:
i think the target audience for this series is 10-15, so i didn't really expect super intricate story writing at all; I enjoyed the show. But one thing i'm afraid of is the lack of material for the next season, one prime villain of the "extend the series another season!" is bleach (manga) (just a rant). They might have to introduce brand new antagonist to make the story interesting. They said each season would be a standalone thing, so season 1 is resolved and season 2 will be its' own thing with its' own villain.
I personally think they should have had Tarlock as the main villain for season one like Admiral Zhao was for TLA, leaving the final battle with Amon as the ending for season two. That would have allowed for much better pacing and deeper story telling.
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I really think Asami should given proper character development, and Bolin too! Cmon, they are so overlooked and I really like them.
I hope the love triangle doesn't destroy everything. Its annoying as is
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I think the finale was very well done.
The idea of Amon being Tarlok's brother was pretty interesting, I can safetly say that I did not see that coming. The scene were Amon takes off his mask and shows his scars was also good. It basically made me question whether Tarlok was wrong, and Amon was somebody else completely. Definitely added to the suspense of the story. However, as Amon began to bloodbend and fuck with Korra I began to question some of his motives and ideals (why/did he really want to put an end to bending??).
By far the best scene in this episode was the Tarlok/Amon ending. It really drove home Tarlok's repentance and redemption, as well as Amon's realization that his time had come. Both of them truly felt bad for what they did, Tarlok manipulating Republic City and Amon abandoning his brother and family.
Overall, though, I feel like the episode was very well done. Korra regaining her bending was pretty much unavoidable, and it was really only a question of whether she reaches the Avatar State here or 14 episodes later. I'm glad that they didn't need to waste unnecessary time on that though. The avatar's ability to restore bending did seem a bit awkward to me. I took the scene with Aang restoring Korra's bending as Korra basically reaching her avatar state like Aang did in the flashback. I didn't think that she would be able to restore other people's bending that easily.
Oh, and for those who think that the equalist movement is still a problem, I think that Tenzin/the other members of the council would be aware of this issue. Unlike Tarlok, they would probably pursue some equal-rights policies that would probably negate the need for another equalist uprising. I would seriously question the writing if this were not the case.
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Thank god I skipped from 6 to the finale. This show is so bad compared to the Aang series... characters and plot are weak and uninteresting, but specially the fights, they are so underwhelming compared to that of TLAB, why are they so inconsistent with the bending power levels of the previous show? The awesome fights and the adventure-like storyline was what made me watch the original series despite it being so childish.
Sorry for the rant, I had my hopes up for this show and especially seeing how the thread here was constantly bumped :/
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