Probably could have been a much better show had they been given more episodes to work with. Still was entertaining though.
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Satire
Canada295 Posts
June 23 2012 22:02 GMT
#2601
Probably could have been a much better show had they been given more episodes to work with. Still was entertaining though. | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 23 2012 22:13 GMT
#2602
- That was not a Deus ex Machina. First of all, this refers to something that solves the plot where one was expecting the characters to do it by themselves. However, the plot is already settled. Aang shows up in the epilogue. Even not using such a strict definition, I still have no problem with it, I've found it would bevery weird that a simple human, albeit skillful, could take the Avatar's bending. They don't belong to the same league, really. Call it cheap or easy, but it doesn't come off as a surprise or an element that was not contained and announced in the plot. I disliked Korra's newfound thaumaturgy abilities, although that was not that awful. It reminded me of the end of Ben Hur, when the Christ dies and Ben's sister and mother, who were plagued with leprosy, suddenly are healed ; now that was an eyesore of a scene, even my mother was as dismayed as I. - If Noatak holds a particular grudge against bloodbending, he can be proud, since he completely (I assume) destroyed his ( unbalanced ) family line. - How could the children be so stupid as to wait for so long before standing up to their father ? They're aware he cannot bend any more. Even barring bloodbending, they're skillful at using water, I reckon I saw quite a lot where they lived, they could have smitten him even before they reached ten years. Noatak bloodbending his brother and realizing it's time he acted like a time thirty seconds earlier, way to go, boy. - Korra was able to use three elements at a good level by the age of, let's say, five ? And she probably was never taught by anyone at the time. Avatars are usually revealed about their true destiny at sixteen, implying it has never occured to them before, for most, that they could have a shot at using other elements. (Look at Roku who probably considered himself "average" until he learnt). Aang didn't start blowing fire when he was five. Maybe Korra's environment helped, although she did not seem to leave in that cosmopolitan of a place, but that's very impressive all the same. Now, she may not have displayed such overwhelming power later (ah, probending...) but when the first episode starts in that fashion, I don't think you can complain much if she turns out to become a fully realized Avatar at a young age and more or less all of a sudden. | ||
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nohbrows
United States653 Posts
June 23 2012 22:22 GMT
#2603
On June 24 2012 07:13 Kyrillion wrote: - I can see what Yakon had in mind. He watched TLA and saw Zuko call Ozai "the worst father in the history of fathers" and he was not pleased. Well, we have a new winner. - That was not a Deus ex Machina. First of all, this refers to something that solves the plot where one was expecting the characters to do it by themselves. However, the plot is already settled. Aang shows up in the epilogue. Even not using such a strict definition, I still have no problem with it, I've found it would bevery weird that a simple human, albeit skillful, could take the Avatar's bending. They don't belong to the same league, really. Call it cheap or easy, but it doesn't come off as a surprise or an element that was not contained and announced in the plot. I disliked Korra's newfound thaumaturgy abilities, although that was not that awful. It reminded me of the end of Ben Hur, when the Christ dies and Ben's sister and mother, who were plagued with leprosy, suddenly are healed ; not that was an eyesore of a scene, even my mother was as dismayed as I. - If Noatak holds a particular grudge against bloodbending, he can be proud, since he completely (I assume) destroyed his ( unbalanced ) family line. - How could the children be so stupid as to wait for so long before standing up to their father ? They're aware he cannot bend any more. Even barring bloodbending, they're skillful at using water, I reckon I saw quite a lot where they lived, they could have smitten him even before they reached ten years. Noatak bloodbending his brother and realizing it's time he acted like a time thirty seconds earlier, way to go, boy. - Korra was able to use three elements at a good level by the age of, let's say, five ? And she probably was never taught by anyone at the time. Avatars are usually revealed about their true destiny at sixteen, implying it has never occured to them before, for most, that they could have a shot at using other elements. (Look at Roku who probably considered himself "average" until he learnt). Aang didn't start blowing fire when he was five. Maybe Korra's environment helped, although she did not seem to leave in that cosmopolitan of a place, but that's very impressive all the same. Now, she may not have displayed such overwhelming power later (ah, probending...) but when the first episode starts in that fashion, I don't think you can complain much if she turns out to become a fully realized Avatar at a young age and more or less all of a sudden. Asian cultures, which this show borrows heavily from, places a lot of weight on filial piety. To go against his father was probably unthinkable, and one of the hardest things Noatak ever had to do. It was an amazing ride for these past 13 weeks. The only complaint that I have is that the pacing was too fast, and the emotional impact any of these characters could have was lessened because we had only 12 episodes to work with. | ||
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Flonomenalz
Nigeria3519 Posts
June 23 2012 22:32 GMT
#2604
Anyways, yes, it IS a deus ex machina. Not that there's anything wrong with it, but it is completely and utterly 100% deus ex machina. Aang comes out of fucking nowhere, gives her her bending back, while simultaneously teaching her that she can restore people's bending. Although the latter part makes perfect sense, if the Avatar can take bending away, he/she can obviously give it back. But Korra is supposed to figure this stuff out herself, or at least, only with advice from the previous Avatars. Not them doing it for her. Still a pretty good first season though. | ||
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megapants
United States1314 Posts
June 23 2012 22:36 GMT
#2605
On June 24 2012 04:30 AngryFarmer wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2012 04:22 RifleCow wrote: On June 24 2012 04:20 Chained wrote: On June 24 2012 03:28 Mordiford wrote: On June 24 2012 02:50 Praetorial wrote: Wait...what was Amon's motivation in the first place... I also didn't really understand that. So he wanted to rid the world of bending, not sure why... His plans fell through, he decided to try and reconcile with his brother, then his brother decided to kill them both. It was a neat little wrap-up for the villains of the season to just make them brothers and have them kill themselves but I didn't really get either character. The way I see it. He is still Yakones son, same reason Tarlock did what he did. It was just a power grab. But I think the reason he went with the getting rid of bending is he does mention that he felt the ultimate power was not blood bending but the avatar getting rid of bending. Its just a result of a bad parent lol. I definitely think the weakest part of this series was how fast it went. If they extended this series to the 62(?) episodes TLA was, I think it would have been just as good (imo better). I personally loved the ideas that was used in LOK much more, but with it being rushed... I mean they had two giant fleets and other then them shooting at planes there was really no fights lol. I personally prefer a more condensed series with no fillers. But some people prefer a longer series thats more drawn out. We'll see what they pull for the second season. TLA didn't really have fillers. I guess some of it could seem random but for the most part every single episode built towards character development. Because LOK was so rushed, the relationships between characters seems really dumb. We know nothing about anyone but Korra and because of that the interactions between characters seems forced. Combine this with the fact that they spent just as much time showcasing Pro-bending as actual plot, I was left with a very unsatisfied feeling in the pit of my stomach at the end of it all. Overall, I feel like they should have gone with a different plot for such a short series. This is not a sequel, it is a mini-series, but they are trying to jam the same level of drama as the first series into a third of the time allotted. Give me a 26 episode series about someone other than the Avatar. There's plenty of story to be told by other people in this amazing world that they've created. Leave the Avatar's adventures to the 70 episode series, please. | ||
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Kyrillion
Russian Federation748 Posts
June 23 2012 22:49 GMT
#2606
Also, the Water tribes did not seem that Asian to me. But I thank you for reminding me of another point, which I intended to adress in my last post and completely forget : - What were Naotak's motivations anyway ? He seems smart and able to withstand his father's will, so why would he feel compelled to carry the task he was brought to light for ? All in all we appear to have a good character who was raised in an evil fashion, shaked his yoke and yet kept on walking the path of evil, as if he had somehow been cursed to life and nothing else to do. He states that the Avatar is the highest power on Earth/whatever that planet is called and then what ? Are we to infer he simply wanted to become Caliph instead of the Caliph since he knew he was the second best bender in the world ? And why would he bother setting up a whole revolution if he can simply find the whereabouts of the Avatar and - It feels really lucky that Amon ran into Sato who happens to be a richie rich industrial and a very resourceful engineer and someone who hateq benders in general simply because his wife was killed by one. Just imagine that not occuring, he would be hard-pressed to start any revolution, especially not being allowed to use any bending. Blackmailing, maybe, but that wouldn't work nearly as well. | ||
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dnld12
United States324 Posts
June 23 2012 22:53 GMT
#2607
. it woudl be pointless | ||
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obesechicken13
United States10467 Posts
June 23 2012 23:11 GMT
#2608
On June 24 2012 06:20 ore0z wrote: They didn't solve the issue with the non-benders demanding equality shh... everything's resolved! Ten more episodes would have been nice. | ||
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 23 2012 23:19 GMT
#2609
On June 24 2012 07:22 nohbrows wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2012 07:13 Kyrillion wrote: - I can see what Yakon had in mind. He watched TLA and saw Zuko call Ozai "the worst father in the history of fathers" and he was not pleased. Well, we have a new winner. - That was not a Deus ex Machina. First of all, this refers to something that solves the plot where one was expecting the characters to do it by themselves. However, the plot is already settled. Aang shows up in the epilogue. Even not using such a strict definition, I still have no problem with it, I've found it would bevery weird that a simple human, albeit skillful, could take the Avatar's bending. They don't belong to the same league, really. Call it cheap or easy, but it doesn't come off as a surprise or an element that was not contained and announced in the plot. I disliked Korra's newfound thaumaturgy abilities, although that was not that awful. It reminded me of the end of Ben Hur, when the Christ dies and Ben's sister and mother, who were plagued with leprosy, suddenly are healed ; not that was an eyesore of a scene, even my mother was as dismayed as I. - If Noatak holds a particular grudge against bloodbending, he can be proud, since he completely (I assume) destroyed his ( unbalanced ) family line. - How could the children be so stupid as to wait for so long before standing up to their father ? They're aware he cannot bend any more. Even barring bloodbending, they're skillful at using water, I reckon I saw quite a lot where they lived, they could have smitten him even before they reached ten years. Noatak bloodbending his brother and realizing it's time he acted like a time thirty seconds earlier, way to go, boy. - Korra was able to use three elements at a good level by the age of, let's say, five ? And she probably was never taught by anyone at the time. Avatars are usually revealed about their true destiny at sixteen, implying it has never occured to them before, for most, that they could have a shot at using other elements. (Look at Roku who probably considered himself "average" until he learnt). Aang didn't start blowing fire when he was five. Maybe Korra's environment helped, although she did not seem to leave in that cosmopolitan of a place, but that's very impressive all the same. Now, she may not have displayed such overwhelming power later (ah, probending...) but when the first episode starts in that fashion, I don't think you can complain much if she turns out to become a fully realized Avatar at a young age and more or less all of a sudden. Asian cultures, which this show borrows heavily from, places a lot of weight on filial piety. To go against his father was probably unthinkable, and one of the hardest things Noatak ever had to do. It was an amazing ride for these past 13 weeks. The only complaint that I have is that the pacing was too fast, and the emotional impact any of these characters could have was lessened because we had only 12 episodes to work with. Correct! It is culture that Asian children respect their parents in the highest regards. You may even become ostracized in the community if word goes out that you rebelled against your parents, the majority will go against the child. Proof: Korean teenage years. | ||
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Telcontar
United Kingdom16710 Posts
June 23 2012 23:21 GMT
#2610
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LittLeD
Sweden7973 Posts
June 23 2012 23:23 GMT
#2611
I enjoyed it throughoutly. | ||
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Galaxy613
United States148 Posts
June 23 2012 23:26 GMT
#2612
On June 24 2012 07:53 dnld12 wrote: Just ifinished it. I dont see how they can make a new season though . it woudl be pointlessOh yes, exploring the restoration of Republic City, getting to know more about Bumi, Iroh, and how Asumi and Bolin undoubtably get together is a pointless season... They probably aren't writing this by the seat of their pants and have a good story for next season too. It definitely it's like TLA but there still are hills to climb for Korra. | ||
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Spicy_Curry
United States10573 Posts
June 23 2012 23:26 GMT
#2613
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chenchen
United States1136 Posts
June 23 2012 23:27 GMT
#2614
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RogerX
New Zealand3180 Posts
June 23 2012 23:27 GMT
#2615
On June 24 2012 05:58 evilbobross wrote: The series is unbelieveably bad. You have the first few episodes which are nothing more than a sporting event and a half hearted attempt at setting up a love quadrangle to instill drama, i guess. Not really avatar like. Then you have the equalists debuting as hardcore fighters of unbelieveable prowess, able fight through and dodge anyone's bending to punch a person in the face. A good idea, imo. Brings up some rather thoughtful questions. Sadly they're portrayed more as the nazi party and such questions go out the window. Not worry though! There's still the hardcore fighters aspect, right? Ehm, no...they become comic relief, able to be taken out by children. Top it all off you have korra's struggle to master bending....accomplished all at once in the finale? I seem to recall it took ang slightly longer... The show just seems to me like many of the episodes were written by different people who had conflicting ideas as to how the story should be developed. If you can get past the inconsistencies and expectations you might have after having watched the first avatar series, you might find this entertaining? But the show will really test your capability... I'm glad you gave out constructive criticism, however if the series was "unbelievably bad" I don't see how you can keep watching till the end, wouldn't you have stopped at the fifth episode? Why are so many people like this, why do they do things that they don't like? My hypothesis is that Korra already knew the three bending things. What Amon did was block the access to her bending, Aang didn't know how to bend except air therefore he never got that access. What her spiritual side did was just that they reopened the blocked areas of bending. I like the ending, i'm surprised that theres so much hate all of a sudden where there were so many compliments before. And for the people who says they can't see how they're gonna make a new season, I don't even understand you at that point. | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
June 23 2012 23:36 GMT
#2616
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Praetorial
United States4241 Posts
June 23 2012 23:39 GMT
#2617
On June 24 2012 08:36 darkmetal505 wrote: Rewatching the ep in HD and did anyone else notice this: + Show Spoiler + ![]() What? | ||
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darkmetal505
United States639 Posts
June 23 2012 23:42 GMT
#2618
On June 24 2012 08:39 Praetorial wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2012 08:36 darkmetal505 wrote: Rewatching the ep in HD and did anyone else notice this: + Show Spoiler + ![]() What? Different eye colors. Unless it is a shadowing thing. edit: Nevermind, later it episode it shows both of his eyes are golden. They probably messed up on the coloring. | ||
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Prog455
Denmark970 Posts
June 23 2012 23:45 GMT
#2619
On June 24 2012 08:39 Praetorial wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2012 08:36 darkmetal505 wrote: Rewatching the ep in HD and did anyone else notice this: + Show Spoiler + ![]() What? I think it is the fact that he has one brown eye and one blue eye | ||
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Quintum_
United States669 Posts
June 23 2012 23:47 GMT
#2620
On June 24 2012 07:22 nohbrows wrote: Show nested quote + On June 24 2012 07:13 Kyrillion wrote: - I can see what Yakon had in mind. He watched TLA and saw Zuko call Ozai "the worst father in the history of fathers" and he was not pleased. Well, we have a new winner. - That was not a Deus ex Machina. First of all, this refers to something that solves the plot where one was expecting the characters to do it by themselves. However, the plot is already settled. Aang shows up in the epilogue. Even not using such a strict definition, I still have no problem with it, I've found it would bevery weird that a simple human, albeit skillful, could take the Avatar's bending. They don't belong to the same league, really. Call it cheap or easy, but it doesn't come off as a surprise or an element that was not contained and announced in the plot. I disliked Korra's newfound thaumaturgy abilities, although that was not that awful. It reminded me of the end of Ben Hur, when the Christ dies and Ben's sister and mother, who were plagued with leprosy, suddenly are healed ; not that was an eyesore of a scene, even my mother was as dismayed as I. - If Noatak holds a particular grudge against bloodbending, he can be proud, since he completely (I assume) destroyed his ( unbalanced ) family line. - How could the children be so stupid as to wait for so long before standing up to their father ? They're aware he cannot bend any more. Even barring bloodbending, they're skillful at using water, I reckon I saw quite a lot where they lived, they could have smitten him even before they reached ten years. Noatak bloodbending his brother and realizing it's time he acted like a time thirty seconds earlier, way to go, boy. - Korra was able to use three elements at a good level by the age of, let's say, five ? And she probably was never taught by anyone at the time. Avatars are usually revealed about their true destiny at sixteen, implying it has never occured to them before, for most, that they could have a shot at using other elements. (Look at Roku who probably considered himself "average" until he learnt). Aang didn't start blowing fire when he was five. Maybe Korra's environment helped, although she did not seem to leave in that cosmopolitan of a place, but that's very impressive all the same. Now, she may not have displayed such overwhelming power later (ah, probending...) but when the first episode starts in that fashion, I don't think you can complain much if she turns out to become a fully realized Avatar at a young age and more or less all of a sudden. Asian cultures, which this show borrows heavily from, places a lot of weight on filial piety. To go against his father was probably unthinkable, and one of the hardest things Noatak ever had to do. It was an amazing ride for these past 13 weeks. The only complaint that I have is that the pacing was too fast, and the emotional impact any of these characters could have was lessened because we had only 12 episodes to work with. Not just asian culture, but any culture going up against your father (parent) is going to be one of the hardest things you have to do. I think the portrayal of how noatak was exactly how something like that would of went in real life. | ||
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