On July 18 2011 16:13 travis wrote: I think Jesse leveled up he reached a new class specialization
Oh yeah.
Favorite part of the episode was Gus killing Victor, and the statement that it made. Everyone in the operation -- Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Gus -- is now a murderer. They're all in way too deep. And anyone that fucks up or puts someone else at risk is either going to have to kill or be killed.
All Gus did was reinforce the precedent Walt sent by killing Gale. It no longer matters how blameless, innocent or trustworthy you are. It's a dog-eat-dog world they're in now.
Even though Jesse was initially racked with guilt, after watching Gus murder Victor, he absolutely knew he made the right decision by killing Gale.
That's a very interesting way to think of it. I wasn't entirely sure why Gus would kill victor but my initial reaction was that he did it either because of that scene where Victor admitted to being seen at the crime scene, or because he didn't get to Gail in time to save him
I agree, Victor being seen at the scene is technically 'the reason.' But now the consequences for these normally forgivable flaws are more extreme.
Last season, Gus was willing to spare Jesse, even those he was conspiring to kill two of his dealers. After Walt killed Gale, who's only fault was being a good chemist, Walt threw any morality or goodwill that was left in the situation out the window. Now it's a matter of who kills who first.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL, SON!
Fuck this show is so well-written.
Eh that doesnt seem right. Gus is already a drug Lord, he already has had people killed. Hes clearly been ruthless for quite some time. He didnt reinforce a precedent set by Walt, the precedent already existed long before Walt got into the business. All he did was open up Walt and Jesse's eyes to the savagery of the Drug business, and that everyone in it has to be that way. Even supposedly calm, rational, civilized Gus. Victor's mistakes werent forgivable, thats the thing.
edit: he was willing to spare Jesse because the dealers were minor and due to his connection to the extremely profitable Walt. It all comes down to cost vs risk.
Well, of course he's always been ruthless. But there's a difference between your mom threatening to bring your dog back to the pound and you mom cutting your dog's neck open with a boxcutter in front of you.
Did anyone else notice that Mike instinctively drew his gun on Gus when Gus sliced open Victor? Even he thought that shit was insane.
Loved the first episode, as Defacer says that was insane! Loved the way the camera followed the box cutter at the start too, thought they were going to use it to escape for the longest time...
On July 18 2011 16:13 travis wrote: I think Jesse leveled up he reached a new class specialization
Oh yeah.
Favorite part of the episode was Gus killing Victor, and the statement that it made. Everyone in the operation -- Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Gus -- is now a murderer. They're all in way too deep. And anyone that fucks up or puts someone else at risk is either going to have to kill or be killed.
All Gus did was reinforce the precedent Walt sent by killing Gale. It no longer matters how blameless, innocent or trustworthy you are. It's a dog-eat-dog world they're in now.
Even though Jesse was initially racked with guilt, after watching Gus murder Victor, he absolutely knew he made the right decision by killing Gale.
That's a very interesting way to think of it. I wasn't entirely sure why Gus would kill victor but my initial reaction was that he did it either because of that scene where Victor admitted to being seen at the crime scene, or because he didn't get to Gail in time to save him
I agree, Victor being seen at the scene is technically 'the reason.' But now the consequences for these normally forgivable flaws are more extreme.
Last season, Gus was willing to spare Jesse, even those he was conspiring to kill two of his dealers. After Walt killed Gale, who's only fault was being a good chemist, Walt threw any morality or goodwill that was left in the situation out the window. Now it's a matter of who kills who first.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL, SON!
Fuck this show is so well-written.
Eh that doesnt seem right. Gus is already a drug Lord, he already has had people killed. Hes clearly been ruthless for quite some time. He didnt reinforce a precedent set by Walt, the precedent already existed long before Walt got into the business. All he did was open up Walt and Jesse's eyes to the savagery of the Drug business, and that everyone in it has to be that way. Even supposedly calm, rational, civilized Gus. Victor's mistakes werent forgivable, thats the thing.
edit: he was willing to spare Jesse because the dealers were minor and due to his connection to the extremely profitable Walt. It all comes down to cost vs risk.
Well, of course he's always been ruthless. But there's a difference between your mom threatening to bring your dog back to the pound and you mom cutting your dog's neck open with a boxcutter in front of you.
Did anyone else notice that Mike instinctively drew his gun on Gus when Gus sliced open Victor? Even he thought that shit was insane.
Are you seriously trying to draw that analogy as if Gus' cutting Victors neck is that equivalent of insane? Its not at all. Not only did Victor fail spectacularly he exposed himself, and hes basically Gus' right hand man. He'd be the most ineffective and pussy drug lord if he DIDNT kill him.
On July 18 2011 16:13 travis wrote: I think Jesse leveled up he reached a new class specialization
Oh yeah.
Favorite part of the episode was Gus killing Victor, and the statement that it made. Everyone in the operation -- Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Gus -- is now a murderer. They're all in way too deep. And anyone that fucks up or puts someone else at risk is either going to have to kill or be killed.
All Gus did was reinforce the precedent Walt sent by killing Gale. It no longer matters how blameless, innocent or trustworthy you are. It's a dog-eat-dog world they're in now.
Even though Jesse was initially racked with guilt, after watching Gus murder Victor, he absolutely knew he made the right decision by killing Gale.
That's a very interesting way to think of it. I wasn't entirely sure why Gus would kill victor but my initial reaction was that he did it either because of that scene where Victor admitted to being seen at the crime scene, or because he didn't get to Gail in time to save him
I agree, Victor being seen at the scene is technically 'the reason.' But now the consequences for these normally forgivable flaws are more extreme.
Last season, Gus was willing to spare Jesse, even those he was conspiring to kill two of his dealers. After Walt killed Gale, who's only fault was being a good chemist, Walt threw any morality or goodwill that was left in the situation out the window. Now it's a matter of who kills who first.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL, SON!
Fuck this show is so well-written.
Eh that doesnt seem right. Gus is already a drug Lord, he already has had people killed. Hes clearly been ruthless for quite some time. He didnt reinforce a precedent set by Walt, the precedent already existed long before Walt got into the business. All he did was open up Walt and Jesse's eyes to the savagery of the Drug business, and that everyone in it has to be that way. Even supposedly calm, rational, civilized Gus. Victor's mistakes werent forgivable, thats the thing.
edit: he was willing to spare Jesse because the dealers were minor and due to his connection to the extremely profitable Walt. It all comes down to cost vs risk.
Well, of course he's always been ruthless. But there's a difference between your mom threatening to bring your dog back to the pound and you mom cutting your dog's neck open with a boxcutter in front of you.
Did anyone else notice that Mike instinctively drew his gun on Gus when Gus sliced open Victor? Even he thought that shit was insane.
Are you seriously trying to draw that analogy as if Gus' cutting Victors neck is that equivalent of insane? Its not at all. Not only did Victor fail spectacularly he exposed himself, and hes basically Gus' right hand man. He'd be the most ineffective and pussy drug lord if he DIDNT kill him.
Are you actually trying to argue that cutting people's neck open with box cutters, without warning or explanation, is normal behaviour regardless of circumstance?
I can't believe we're debating appropriate/inappropriate business conduct for drug lords. Neither of us are qualified. Well, at least I hope you're not.
On July 18 2011 16:13 travis wrote: I think Jesse leveled up he reached a new class specialization
Oh yeah.
Favorite part of the episode was Gus killing Victor, and the statement that it made. Everyone in the operation -- Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Gus -- is now a murderer. They're all in way too deep. And anyone that fucks up or puts someone else at risk is either going to have to kill or be killed.
All Gus did was reinforce the precedent Walt sent by killing Gale. It no longer matters how blameless, innocent or trustworthy you are. It's a dog-eat-dog world they're in now.
Even though Jesse was initially racked with guilt, after watching Gus murder Victor, he absolutely knew he made the right decision by killing Gale.
That's a very interesting way to think of it. I wasn't entirely sure why Gus would kill victor but my initial reaction was that he did it either because of that scene where Victor admitted to being seen at the crime scene, or because he didn't get to Gail in time to save him
I agree, Victor being seen at the scene is technically 'the reason.' But now the consequences for these normally forgivable flaws are more extreme.
Last season, Gus was willing to spare Jesse, even those he was conspiring to kill two of his dealers. After Walt killed Gale, who's only fault was being a good chemist, Walt threw any morality or goodwill that was left in the situation out the window. Now it's a matter of who kills who first.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL, SON!
Fuck this show is so well-written.
Eh that doesnt seem right. Gus is already a drug Lord, he already has had people killed. Hes clearly been ruthless for quite some time. He didnt reinforce a precedent set by Walt, the precedent already existed long before Walt got into the business. All he did was open up Walt and Jesse's eyes to the savagery of the Drug business, and that everyone in it has to be that way. Even supposedly calm, rational, civilized Gus. Victor's mistakes werent forgivable, thats the thing.
edit: he was willing to spare Jesse because the dealers were minor and due to his connection to the extremely profitable Walt. It all comes down to cost vs risk.
Well, of course he's always been ruthless. But there's a difference between your mom threatening to bring your dog back to the pound and you mom cutting your dog's neck open with a boxcutter in front of you.
Did anyone else notice that Mike instinctively drew his gun on Gus when Gus sliced open Victor? Even he thought that shit was insane.
Are you seriously trying to draw that analogy as if Gus' cutting Victors neck is that equivalent of insane? Its not at all. Not only did Victor fail spectacularly he exposed himself, and hes basically Gus' right hand man. He'd be the most ineffective and pussy drug lord if he DIDNT kill him.
Are you actually trying to argue that cutting people's neck open with box cutters, without warning or explanation, is normal behavior regardless of circumstance?
I can't believe we're debating appropriate/inappropriate business conduct for drug lords. Neither of us are qualified. Well, at least I hope you're not.
I enjoyed the first episode, a lot actually. Maybe more so because I've waited a year for this thing but I was happy with it.
I wonder where they'll go with Hank. He's obviously pissed and bitter. But something has to becoming there. Does the wife leave, does Hank find out the cost of his treatment and become suspicious of the funds, we'll see. Interested to see what happens, hopefully sooner and lately. Don't want all of his scenes to be filled with bitterness ;'x
I think Hanks position and past will lead him to question a lot of things especially concerning Walts financial situation.
I think it's obvious Victor screwed up and he had to go. Gus doesn't like risks and Victor was a risk since he had shown himself at the crime scene and also didn't protect Gail in the end. The only reason he deals with Walt now is the fact he literally doesn't have a viable alternative, the only other option would be to kill Walt and go without product for a while which for Gus - isn't a choice at all.
On July 18 2011 16:13 travis wrote: I think Jesse leveled up he reached a new class specialization
Oh yeah.
Favorite part of the episode was Gus killing Victor, and the statement that it made. Everyone in the operation -- Jesse, Walt, Mike, and Gus -- is now a murderer. They're all in way too deep. And anyone that fucks up or puts someone else at risk is either going to have to kill or be killed.
All Gus did was reinforce the precedent Walt sent by killing Gale. It no longer matters how blameless, innocent or trustworthy you are. It's a dog-eat-dog world they're in now.
Even though Jesse was initially racked with guilt, after watching Gus murder Victor, he absolutely knew he made the right decision by killing Gale.
That's a very interesting way to think of it. I wasn't entirely sure why Gus would kill victor but my initial reaction was that he did it either because of that scene where Victor admitted to being seen at the crime scene, or because he didn't get to Gail in time to save him
I agree, Victor being seen at the scene is technically 'the reason.' But now the consequences for these normally forgivable flaws are more extreme.
Last season, Gus was willing to spare Jesse, even those he was conspiring to kill two of his dealers. After Walt killed Gale, who's only fault was being a good chemist, Walt threw any morality or goodwill that was left in the situation out the window. Now it's a matter of who kills who first.
SHIT JUST GOT REAL, SON!
Fuck this show is so well-written.
Eh that doesnt seem right. Gus is already a drug Lord, he already has had people killed. Hes clearly been ruthless for quite some time. He didnt reinforce a precedent set by Walt, the precedent already existed long before Walt got into the business. All he did was open up Walt and Jesse's eyes to the savagery of the Drug business, and that everyone in it has to be that way. Even supposedly calm, rational, civilized Gus. Victor's mistakes werent forgivable, thats the thing.
edit: he was willing to spare Jesse because the dealers were minor and due to his connection to the extremely profitable Walt. It all comes down to cost vs risk.
Well, of course he's always been ruthless. But there's a difference between your mom threatening to bring your dog back to the pound and you mom cutting your dog's neck open with a boxcutter in front of you.
Did anyone else notice that Mike instinctively drew his gun on Gus when Gus sliced open Victor? Even he thought that shit was insane.
Are you seriously trying to draw that analogy as if Gus' cutting Victors neck is that equivalent of insane? Its not at all. Not only did Victor fail spectacularly he exposed himself, and hes basically Gus' right hand man. He'd be the most ineffective and pussy drug lord if he DIDNT kill him.
Are you actually trying to argue that cutting people's neck open with box cutters, without warning or explanation, is normal behaviour regardless of circumstance?
I can't believe we're debating appropriate/inappropriate business conduct for drug lords. Neither of us are qualified. Well, at least I hope you're not.
I'm a drug lord, and I cut people's throats all the time. It's like saying "aloha" because it means "hello" and "goodbye."
Just watched Episode 1 of Season 4, and I was like, pretty darn good episode... Then Gus entered the scene, and I was like: HOLY FUCK WAT, HOW WAHT GUS NO, WAT U DOING, LOL WUT. Then I had to change pants.
EPT
oh well walt is a bad ass
