On July 04 2011 11:55 Stengah wrote: Djent <3 I hate trying to learn this stuff on drums. Guess I'm playing it on bass then.
Yes the drums require you to practically split your brain in half since your hands and feet are on different rythms. Almost have to count it out loud when playing haha. Ironically enough id recommend Meshuggah's Stengah as practice, its not too fast, and really helps you get used to the way you have to play, after playing stengah for awhile, I noticed my hands werent a problem, kind of forget about them. Anyways keep listenin!
havent read any of the thread really, just wanted to stop by and recommend you guys to check out the isorhythms in meshuggah tunes like pineal gland optics, dancers to a discordant system, and I.
check out the opening riff of pineal gland optics off the obZen album. its probably not intentional but that shit is revolutionary, not just in metal, but in all music. its an isorhythm on top of a polyrhythm. if you dont know what an isorhythm is, look it up. so many layers weaving amongst one another. trippy bro. great band.
oh and if you analyze dancers to a discordant system, the polymeters played overtop of the 4/4 groove are actually in irrational meters (fractional meters). since the guitar rhythm is entirely in triplet notation in some sections the pattern actually repeats at multiples of 1/3 of a bar...you get meters like 4/3 or 8/3.
of course they didnt conciously write in that manner, it's just cool to analyze the music that comes naturally to them and see how ridiculously complex it seems. they are either the most complex or the most simple metal band you will ever listen to. its more fun to think of them as simple, especially when you play the stuff. amazing band! anyway sorry about my fanboy rant.
edit: the most horribly jumbled and pointless piece of writing ive ever concieved ^
On July 04 2011 15:08 psycroptic wrote: havent read any of the thread really, just wanted to stop by and recommend you guys to check out the isorhythms in meshuggah tunes like pineal gland optics, dancers to a discordant system, and I.
check out the opening riff of pineal gland optics off the obZen album. its probably not intentional but that shit is revolutionary, not just in metal, but in all music. its an isorhythm on top of a polyrhythm. if you dont know what an isorhythm is, look it up. so many layers weaving amongst one another. trippy bro. great band.
oh and if you analyze dancers to a discordant system, the polymeters played overtop of the 4/4 groove are actually in irrational meters (fractional meters). since the guitar rhythm is entirely in triplet notation in some sections the pattern actually repeats at multiples of 1/3 of a bar...you get meters like 4/3 or 8/3.
of course they didnt conciously write in that manner, it's just cool to analyze the music that comes naturally to them and see how ridiculously complex it seems. they are either the most complex or the most simple metal band you will ever listen to. its more fun to think of them as simple, especially when you play the stuff. amazing band! anyway sorry about my fanboy rant.
Will be going through those songs one by one and try to find these isorythms you are talking about. Too bad im not that great with the whole reading music thing, as i think that would benifit me greatly lol but i will most defintely check this out. Also Meshuggah's album "i" to me is on the best albums in history. Cheers!
people who think that "djent" is a specific genre really get it wrong; if you need to classify most djenty music as a genre, it falls under progressive. Its just an evolution of progressive metal, more rhythm manipulation, more chug, and usually more interesting. some examples of this are
I wont argue with yout there. And these bands indeed have some qualities i like, like being more melodic, rather than discordant like the heavier stuff out there. Either way im happy to add it the pile!! great find, thanks!
I'm a Djent guitarist, in a band that plays a similar style to Periphery... and 4/4 time signatures are TOTALLY allowed...
Djent is a great style because it allows you to do anything. I write riffs in 4/4 and I write riffs in 17/2, doesn't really matter.
Meshuggah uses 4/4 on the top part of the drums (snare, cymbals, etc..) and uses the same rhythm as the guitar player (23/5 or whatever Meshuggah chooses) on the kick. Incredibly complex drumming.
Also, most Djent bands use 7 strings, but 8 strings are becoming more popular every day.
As to the guitar tone comment, Djent started out as a guitar sound described by the rhythm player in Meshuggah for their two octave muted power chords, and then Misha from Periphery brought it more mainstream, and it turned into a genre and brought him more fame then sitting in his parents basement recording on a Pod XT.
On July 04 2011 22:18 iByte wrote: I'm a Djent guitarist, in a band that plays a similar style to Periphery... and 4/4 time signatures are TOTALLY allowed...
Djent is a great style because it allows you to do anything. I write riffs in 4/4 and I write riffs in 17/2, doesn't really matter.
Meshuggah uses 4/4 on the top part of the drums (snare, cymbals, etc..) and uses the same rhythm as the guitar player (23/5 or whatever Meshuggah chooses) on the kick. Incredibly complex drumming.
Also, most Djent bands use 7 strings, but 8 strings are becoming more popular every day.
As to the guitar tone comment, Djent started out as a guitar sound described by the rhythm player in Meshuggah for their two octave muted power chords, and then Misha from Periphery brought it more mainstream, and it turned into a genre and brought him more fame then sitting in his parents basement recording on a Pod XT.
How very true sir. The drummers hands are going to be in standard timing (for the most part) while simultaneously using their feet to follow the guitars time siganture/rythms. i Loves it! ive tried to learn some guitar lately, but frankly the guitar and drums require very different ways of thinking in order play it properly lol so il stick with drums for now since i am getting used it. Also lol when i play guitar i cant help but be a drummer and completely fuck up everything, and i suck at palm muting and picking fast lawl. Djent!
Going to update the op with this, and the meshuggah essay/article or w/e as well. Been finding this amazing. so, some of you may already know, but, After the burial has a song called Pi. Which they play as their intro song for shows. its extremely complex, but a guitarist took the time to explain the math behind it! For people into math-metal stuff - An explanation of 'Pi' by After the Burial + Show Spoiler +
"Breakdown in 3.14
Pi was written and recorded only a few days before the completion of the Master copy, at around 10 am, with a couple of serious hangovers. Justin and I had talked about having a classical guitar intro into some sort of heavier riffage, but we weren't quite sure what that was exactly going to be.
We remembered back to a few weeks prior, when we were throwing around an idea of using the mathematical constant Pi, and incorporating it into some sort of complex breakdown pattern where the kick drum corresponded to each number as the figure progressed. Kinda creating the ultimate mind boggler of a riff. The complexity of the intro is often overheard, because it's hard to discern what is actually going on within the track, UNTIL NOW!!!
Here's a breakdown of the....um, breakdown, in the intro to our album, "Pi: The Mercury God Of Infinity"
The actual tempo is 120 beats per minute (bpm). You can hear this by listening for the closed hi-hat that is panned left: it is playing constant eighth-notes.
The snare is on beat three in 4/4 time at 120 bpm.
A crash cymbal accents beat one of the first measure in 4/4. It is repeated every four measures.
Now this is where it gets tricky: the china cymbal.
It's hard to feel the breakdown in Pi at 120 bpm, and this is mostly due to the china cymbal, which is playing a 4 over 3 (4/3) dotted-eighth note ostinato that begins on the "E" of one.
Confused?
Check it out: A quarter note is equal to one beat in 4/4 time, but so are two eighth notes, or 4 sixteenth notes. It's all about subdividing note values.
When you count a measure of 4/4 in quarter notes, it's: 1, 2, 3, 4.
When counting in eighth notes, it's: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. (a plus sign refers to the spoken count "and" ex. "One and two and three and four and")
When counting in sixteenths, it's: 1 E + A 2 E + A 3 E + A 4 E + A. (Spoken: "One e and a two e and a three e and a four e and a)
So when I say the china starts on the "E" of one, I'm referring to the spoken counting value assigned to the second 16th note in a quarter note duration.
A dotted eighth note is a duration of three 16th notes, an ostinato is a persistently repeated pattern. Basically, the china plays on the bold-capitalized letters:
one E and a TWO e and A three e AND a four E and a ONE e and A etc.
Starting to get it? Cool.
At last, the reason Pi is what it is: the Double-bass pattern.
The formula of Pi for the kick drum was pretty far fetched at first, but seemed to work well once the track was finished. The numbers and rests in the formula translate to 16th notes on the kick drum, and 16th note rests. There is no kick drum beats where there are snare drums. Sooo, here it is:
With the decimal point BEFORE the number, and starting with the first number, move that many decimal points to the right and insert that many 16th note rests. Use one 16th note rest to divide the numbers you passed (when applicable). Continue on throughout the rest of the figure. No repeats.
So basically for the first step, you'd place the point (pt) before the first number, three: (pt)3.14159265
Next you jump the decimal three points to the right: 3.14(pt)159265
That's where you insert three 16th rests, and insert one 16th note rest between the other numbers you passed: 3(16th rest)1(16th rest)4(dotted-eighth)159265
Now, your decimal lies in between the 4 and the 1. So, following the formula, you move one point to the right of the 1 and insert one 16th note rest. There are no numbers to separate with single 16th rests, so you move onto the next number, which is 5, and follow the same instructions.
That's all there is to it! The formula extends out to 71 decimal points "
heres the song played live. amazing the drummer can remember 71 decimal points.
On July 10 2011 12:28 TheBamf wrote: It is a shame Meshuggah is being grouped with the hordes of beyond dull Djent bands.
How so? Meshuggah is one my favorite bands ever, but have you even read through this thread? Your telling me Periphery, Cloudkicker, and the other bands on hear are dull??
Meshuggah's biggest weakness which springs from their biggest strenght is their total sterile sound. They sound like they play without emotion, and if you listen to Meshuggah you know that going into it. The charastics shared with other Djent bands is just that, as long as they can label it technical they will call it djent and claim for it to be original. Which is it not. Well atleast as far as I am concerned.
On July 10 2011 12:46 TheBamf wrote: To me, they are vey dull, - yes.
Meshuggah's biggest weakness which springs from their biggest strenght is their total sterile sound. They sound like they play without emotion, and if you listen to Meshuggah you know that going into it. The charastics shared with other Djent bands is just that, as long as they can label it technical they will call it djent and claim for it to be original. Which is it not. Well atleast as far as I am concerned.
Well i thank you for answering my question honestly. good listenin'
I finally figured out last night which song the GSL was playing after certain matches! turns out its Periphery! effing amazing! was really happy to hear this song after the JYP games. i actually remember Doa saying something about the guitar part.
Specifically starting at 1:55 is where the GSL normally starts the song, so anyone who was wondering, there it is! thanks to whoever picks the music at the GSL, doing a good job! (for the most part)
EDIT: Also the name of the song is a reference to an episode of Arrested Development, where Gob buys a jetpack lulz!
Guys new Kevin Suter! Been in love with this guy(band?) for awhile now, good to hear hes coming back!
And Textures as well! Drummers must watch this! IMO tho, the old Textures is better in all aspects, but im still going to listen to this album of course. Although the drums in this song preety amazing.
HEY people! dont like bumping my own thread, but i really want anyone who enjoys this to check out the top 20 albums of 2011, so here it is folks! will update the OP and hopefully people will check it out. Enjoy music lovers!
+1 to your #9 above (Corelia). All Periphery fans should check it out for sure... my faves are "Glass Faces" and "Treetops" (which has Spencer Sotelo in it for a verse I think)
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