***Seems like people are getting confused as to what Djent really is, heres Quesadilla's OP which summarizes things much better than me. Thanks again Ques*** + Show Spoiler +
For everybody here that enjoys a bit of that double-bass and ditry vocals so commonly opening up MSL's and Proleague matches, you may enjoy this music industry forecast and find some good new music along the way. For a community as technically oriented as TL, you might appreciate some excessively technical music. Djent is going to get very big in the metal scene.
Welcome to the genre, "Djent". Djent, by definition, is purely a homophone. It won't take incredibly long for you to understand why after a listen or two to the purveyors of this growing sub-genre. While Djent should broadly be considered Metal music, it is definitely it's own entity characterized by incessant bending of deep notes. This music is full of constant polyrhythms, off-time patterns, progressive song structure, and out of control chord progressions.
soliddew put it perfectly: On April 19 2010 07:32 soliddew wrote: Show nested quote +
the main goal of "djent" is to create a groove based around a cyclical rhythm/riff, but will generally total up to 4/4 in terms of beats. sure, you can count Periphery's Icarus Lives in 4/4, but you'll notice that the riff does NOT start again on beat 1, and it repeats OVER the bar. This is because the rhythm they are playing is either longer OR shorter than 4/4. However, the groove is still felt in 4, and the snare and cymbals are also in 4. meshuggah said it themselves: they do not count the time signature they are playing, they feel the polymetric groove they create. therefore,
4/4 riff timing is not welcome.
There are a few basic requirements to play Djent. It's forefathers, DIY math/music masters Meshuggah from Sweden, have long been the lone rangers playing this ridiculously heavy style of music. Second only to Dream Theater, Meshuggah is the bane of every modern music theory student's existence. They made 8-string guitars famous in the metal world. Recently, 8-string guitars to metal kids are like SC2 Beta keys to nerds. Let's survey the gear:
Most Djent guitar players by default play custom Ibanez 8-strings, and they have recently become a stock production guitar. There are many custom guitar companies also making them. 8-strings enable sounds that most of our brains have not heard before in music. Green Day plays in E-standard; most Djent band's lowest string is in F#, nearly an octave lower. The tones of choice are purely digital. Usually, a Line 6 midi controller will control a rack of compression and digital effects that are then run out of the house sound system, or directly into a computer. Those who don't use racks usually opt for Engl Invader 100 amplifiers or Diezel's. Orange Amplification cabinets have found a resurgence in the metal scene because of their incredibly warm tones and extra-thick ply-wood that can actually handle the low tones our brains have trouble comprehending.
Drummers require 4-part independence, which means, they need to be able to play 4 different parts in different time signatures, simultaneously. Their kick drums usually mimic the patterns of the overly-percussive guitar riffs, and the snare is used to accent whichever time signature they are in (which is usually only for a moment). Some Djent bands like to use electronic drum kits that are triggered when recording. That means they play the songs exactly like a real kit, but a computer synthesizes the tones. Excluding jazz music, there isn't anything more difficult to do behind a drumkit than this.
Bass players are bass players.
Vocalists are required to talk about space, why Earth isn't fun, and use huge words that nobody understands. Keep in mind, their job isn't easy though. They must know the time signatures and parts as well as the other members, for their voice is used partially as a percussive interjection into the songs. Some Djent bands prefer no vocals at all. Vocals usually aren't the centerpiece of this genre, anyways.
As i am always looking for more djenty bands to listen to, i hope to see a plethera of bands being put up, and maybe some musicians around can teach us a thing or two about the music itself. Im no genius, so some of the rythms and timings are very difficult to understand, and require multiple listens, so please, enlighten us all.
After the burial has a song called Pi. Which they play as their intro song for shows. its extremely complex, but a guitarist took the time to explain the math behind it! For people into math-metal stuff - An explanation of 'Pi' by After the Burial + Show Spoiler +
"Breakdown in 3.14
Pi was written and recorded only a few days before the completion of the Master copy, at around 10 am, with a couple of serious hangovers. Justin and I had talked about having a classical guitar intro into some sort of heavier riffage, but we weren't quite sure what that was exactly going to be.
We remembered back to a few weeks prior, when we were throwing around an idea of using the mathematical constant Pi, and incorporating it into some sort of complex breakdown pattern where the kick drum corresponded to each number as the figure progressed. Kinda creating the ultimate mind boggler of a riff. The complexity of the intro is often overheard, because it's hard to discern what is actually going on within the track, UNTIL NOW!!!
Here's a breakdown of the....um, breakdown, in the intro to our album, "Pi: The Mercury God Of Infinity"
The actual tempo is 120 beats per minute (bpm). You can hear this by listening for the closed hi-hat that is panned left: it is playing constant eighth-notes.
The snare is on beat three in 4/4 time at 120 bpm.
A crash cymbal accents beat one of the first measure in 4/4. It is repeated every four measures.
Now this is where it gets tricky: the china cymbal.
It's hard to feel the breakdown in Pi at 120 bpm, and this is mostly due to the china cymbal, which is playing a 4 over 3 (4/3) dotted-eighth note ostinato that begins on the "E" of one.
Confused?
Check it out: A quarter note is equal to one beat in 4/4 time, but so are two eighth notes, or 4 sixteenth notes. It's all about subdividing note values.
When you count a measure of 4/4 in quarter notes, it's: 1, 2, 3, 4.
When counting in eighth notes, it's: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. (a plus sign refers to the spoken count "and" ex. "One and two and three and four and")
When counting in sixteenths, it's: 1 E + A 2 E + A 3 E + A 4 E + A. (Spoken: "One e and a two e and a three e and a four e and a)
So when I say the china starts on the "E" of one, I'm referring to the spoken counting value assigned to the second 16th note in a quarter note duration.
A dotted eighth note is a duration of three 16th notes, an ostinato is a persistently repeated pattern. Basically, the china plays on the bold-capitalized letters:
one E and a TWO e and A three e AND a four E and a ONE e and A etc.
Starting to get it? Cool.
At last, the reason Pi is what it is: the Double-bass pattern.
The formula of Pi for the kick drum was pretty far fetched at first, but seemed to work well once the track was finished. The numbers and rests in the formula translate to 16th notes on the kick drum, and 16th note rests. There is no kick drum beats where there are snare drums. Sooo, here it is:
With the decimal point BEFORE the number, and starting with the first number, move that many decimal points to the right and insert that many 16th note rests. Use one 16th note rest to divide the numbers you passed (when applicable). Continue on throughout the rest of the figure. No repeats.
So basically for the first step, you'd place the point (pt) before the first number, three: (pt)3.14159265
Next you jump the decimal three points to the right: 3.14(pt)159265
That's where you insert three 16th rests, and insert one 16th note rest between the other numbers you passed: 3(16th rest)1(16th rest)4(dotted-eighth)159265
Now, your decimal lies in between the 4 and the 1. So, following the formula, you move one point to the right of the 1 and insert one 16th note rest. There are no numbers to separate with single 16th rests, so you move onto the next number, which is 5, and follow the same instructions.
That's all there is to it! The formula extends out to 71 decimal points "
heres the song played live. amazing the drummer can remember 71 decimal points.
Right now i am preety much only listening to Meshuggah, their rythms are godly and i actually physcially cannot stop myself from always having it on. I think people hear the vocals and get turned off, for me, I almost forget the vocals are there, i just love the rythms so much and use of polyrythms.
But enough talk, here's some music!!! Added spoiler since theres alot of songs here! enjoy! + Show Spoiler +
One of my personal fav songs right now is
Ok people thats a start! let me here some more! GL to all. Will try to keep adding new ones!
On a side note: got into this music about 3 years ago listening to Textures 1st album, then the 2nd, and 3rd lol. It was so good i listened to it, and only it for over 1 year. 3 albums for one whole year essentially. Thats how good this music is folks!@!!!!!@!@!!@!@
Here is 2011's top 20 albums from www.got-djent.com, i agree with almost all the choices, but theres a few which i substituted with some of my personal favorite albums of the year. so enjoy this plethora of new music!
This might be the best thread I've seen around here in a while. My friend actually made that other post youre referring to (Quesadilla) and this is a majority of what we listen to.
I can say that what you posted as what you enjoy is absolutely superb taste in music, and those are some of my favorite bands + songs too ( Insomnia by periphery might be there best song but thats up for debate).
I think the one band that you definitely need to check out is Vildjharta + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGx8PCl_Bjw
They make some great music too.
Are these the mainly the only Djent songs you listen too because if you haven't explored these artists more, I HIGHLY suggest you dive deeper into some of their work. Way worth it.
On July 01 2011 17:05 Punic wrote: This might be the best thread I've seen around here in a while. My friend actually made that other post youre referring to (Quesadilla) and this is a majority of what we listen to.
I can say that what you posted as what you enjoy is absolutely superb taste in music, and those are some of my favorite bands + songs too ( Insomnia by periphery might be there best song but thats up for debate).
I think the one band that you definitely need to check out is Vildjharta + Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QGx8PCl_Bjw
They make some great music too.
Are these the mainly the only Djent songs you listen too because if you haven't explored these artists more, I HIGHLY suggest you dive deeper into some of their work. Way worth it.
Amazing song btw. i am in the midst of getting some vildjarta and its very promising so far. Also just found some Stealing axion which is sounding preety cool.
and Returning we hear the larks lol yes its a meshuggah cover, but if you can play meshuggah your ok in book. Also some of their songs ive heard were somewhat slower, so kind of interesting to hear them able to cover THE Meshuggah.
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
Wish i had an intelectual to help me explain this stuff lol someone help!
I should also point out, i play drums, so when listening i tend to focus on the drums more than anything, after being introduced to polyrythms with Textures and Meshuggah, i can't go back to standard music lol.
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
They sound the same, and this is coming from a guitar player and a fan ^_^
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
They sound the same, and this is coming from a guitar player and a fan ^_^
Is it wrong to argue that djent is simply more complex? cause there is something about it that makes it harder to play, im also a drummer, and tho they are similar, like i said, they feel different, and are certainly harder to play, on drums at least. Speed metal for example is preety straight forward for drums, but not this, lol i have to listen to it a lot to figure out some parts.
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
They sound the same, and this is coming from a guitar player and a fan ^_^
Is it wrong to argue that djent is simply more complex? cause there is something about it that makes it harder to play, im also a drummer, and tho they are similar, like i said, they feel different, and are certainly harder to play, on drums at least. Speed metal for example is preety straight forward for drums, but not this, lol i have to listen to it a lot to figure out some parts.
It's not wrong because you specify why it being more complex makes it enjoyable for you. It's pretentious if you argue you like it just because it's more complex. I've been a huge Meshuggah fan for nearly 10 years, but I don't feel like the other bands offer anything new or exciting compared to them. It's mostly just "more of the same".
WOOOO! A THREAD ABOUT DJENT! Never thought I'd see this, lolol.
Also, it's not technically a genre of metal, but it has kinda become just that because people used the word to describe bands who used the tone and its likes a lot.
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
They sound the same, and this is coming from a guitar player and a fan ^_^
Is it wrong to argue that djent is simply more complex? cause there is something about it that makes it harder to play, im also a drummer, and tho they are similar, like i said, they feel different, and are certainly harder to play, on drums at least. Speed metal for example is preety straight forward for drums, but not this, lol i have to listen to it a lot to figure out some parts.
It's not wrong because you specify why it being more complex makes it enjoyable for you. It's pretentious if you argue you like it just because it's more complex. I've been a huge Meshuggah fan for nearly 10 years, but I don't feel like the other bands offer anything new or exciting compared to them. It's mostly just "more of the same".
I would have to agree, i think Meshuggah has covered most of the genre, but that being said, all these bands listed all have their own catch. Like Textures is a great mix between meshuggah and Periphery in my opinion. Either way im loving all the bands in this thread.
On July 01 2011 20:04 MyLastSerenade wrote: just a quick question. is Static-X also a kind of djent? Sounds kind of similar to the Tracks posted in this thread.
Im going to say no Static-x is not djent. Listening to a few songs, not my cup of tea.
On July 02 2011 07:06 Colour wrote: Why is a guitar sound becoming a genre? This is getting ridiculous...
Frankly i just thought that urban dictionary definition for Djent was funny, its not to describe the entire genre. Seems like i will post Quesadilla's OP from his thread so people can understand things a little clearer.
On July 02 2011 07:06 Colour wrote: Why is a guitar sound becoming a genre? This is getting ridiculous...
Frankly i just thought that urban dictionary definition for Djent was funny, its not to describe the entire genre. Seems like i will post Quesadilla's OP from his thread so people can understand things a little clearer.
But it's the correct definition. Meshuggah used "djent" to describe the sound a certain chord/tone made and somehow from there a bunch of kids with Line 6 PODs and EZDrummer who thought bulb was cool decided to use the shit out of the word and now people are using it to describe what basically amounts to progressive metal bands abusing weird time signatures.
This should probably just go in the metal thread really.
Does it somehow hurt you that this thread is up? And a news flash, people are making obscure threads for musicgenres all the time, just like they're making obscure threads about smoking tobacco and getting high.
I freaking love Djent, heaviest and most complex stuff around at the same time. Meshuggah at Bloodstock last year was the greatest live band I've seen ever by a long way, and was actually got me really listening to djent.
On July 01 2011 19:55 kjetulf wrote: WOOOO! A THREAD ABOUT DJENT! Never thought I'd see this, lolol.
Also, it's not technically a genre of metal, but it has kinda become just that because people used the word to describe bands who used the tone and its likes a lot.
Anyone going to Sonisphere UK btw? Periphery going woo!
I was considering going to that when I found out Periphery and TesseracT were on the same day then I found out the only other good band all day was Gojira :/
On July 02 2011 07:15 Ravencruiser wrote: Really don't think this obscure heavy metal subgenre deserves its own thread.
If this doesn't get closed I'm going to make 10 separate threads for violin/piano/psychedelic trance/goa trance/etc. music discussion
Edit:
Aka, djent should just get buried in the heavy metal thread:
Does it somehow hurt you that this thread is up? And a news flash, people are making obscure threads for musicgenres all the time, just like they're making obscure threads about smoking tobacco and getting high.
Yah, but people don't make a separate thread for smoking out of pipe, smoking ciggs, chewing tobacco or smoking cigars. I'm sorry to inform you that your comparison fails.
Listen people, if you dont like Djent, please dont post. The mods will take this down if its doesn't deserve to be up, I wanted discussion and new bands to listen to, not argue about if djent should have its own thread. Thanks to those who are actually here to talk about the music, and not try to justify the thread.
On July 01 2011 19:40 JerseyDevil wrote: Djent is a description of a guitar tone. Not a genre
Except that entire groups of bands are honing in on these tones and self-labeling themselves as djent bands, going on djent tours, playing for djent fans. Stop resisting it, Sumerian records got huge and wealthy because they capitalized on it first.
On July 01 2011 19:40 JerseyDevil wrote: Djent is a description of a guitar tone. Not a genre
Except that entire groups of bands are honing in on these tones and self-labeling themselves as djent bands, going on djent tours, playing for djent fans. Stop resisting it, Sumerian records got huge and wealthy because they capitalized on it first.
Yes Vildhjarta is becoming a new favorite of mine, ive had this weekend to bone up on some bands i missed, and its never been a better time to be fan. And thanks for great OP in your thread btw, i added it to the front page so people can bone up! GL
On July 04 2011 11:55 Stengah wrote: Djent <3 I hate trying to learn this stuff on drums. Guess I'm playing it on bass then.
Yes the drums require you to practically split your brain in half since your hands and feet are on different rythms. Almost have to count it out loud when playing haha. Ironically enough id recommend Meshuggah's Stengah as practice, its not too fast, and really helps you get used to the way you have to play, after playing stengah for awhile, I noticed my hands werent a problem, kind of forget about them. Anyways keep listenin!
havent read any of the thread really, just wanted to stop by and recommend you guys to check out the isorhythms in meshuggah tunes like pineal gland optics, dancers to a discordant system, and I.
check out the opening riff of pineal gland optics off the obZen album. its probably not intentional but that shit is revolutionary, not just in metal, but in all music. its an isorhythm on top of a polyrhythm. if you dont know what an isorhythm is, look it up. so many layers weaving amongst one another. trippy bro. great band.
oh and if you analyze dancers to a discordant system, the polymeters played overtop of the 4/4 groove are actually in irrational meters (fractional meters). since the guitar rhythm is entirely in triplet notation in some sections the pattern actually repeats at multiples of 1/3 of a bar...you get meters like 4/3 or 8/3.
of course they didnt conciously write in that manner, it's just cool to analyze the music that comes naturally to them and see how ridiculously complex it seems. they are either the most complex or the most simple metal band you will ever listen to. its more fun to think of them as simple, especially when you play the stuff. amazing band! anyway sorry about my fanboy rant.
edit: the most horribly jumbled and pointless piece of writing ive ever concieved ^
On July 04 2011 15:08 psycroptic wrote: havent read any of the thread really, just wanted to stop by and recommend you guys to check out the isorhythms in meshuggah tunes like pineal gland optics, dancers to a discordant system, and I.
check out the opening riff of pineal gland optics off the obZen album. its probably not intentional but that shit is revolutionary, not just in metal, but in all music. its an isorhythm on top of a polyrhythm. if you dont know what an isorhythm is, look it up. so many layers weaving amongst one another. trippy bro. great band.
oh and if you analyze dancers to a discordant system, the polymeters played overtop of the 4/4 groove are actually in irrational meters (fractional meters). since the guitar rhythm is entirely in triplet notation in some sections the pattern actually repeats at multiples of 1/3 of a bar...you get meters like 4/3 or 8/3.
of course they didnt conciously write in that manner, it's just cool to analyze the music that comes naturally to them and see how ridiculously complex it seems. they are either the most complex or the most simple metal band you will ever listen to. its more fun to think of them as simple, especially when you play the stuff. amazing band! anyway sorry about my fanboy rant.
Will be going through those songs one by one and try to find these isorythms you are talking about. Too bad im not that great with the whole reading music thing, as i think that would benifit me greatly lol but i will most defintely check this out. Also Meshuggah's album "i" to me is on the best albums in history. Cheers!
people who think that "djent" is a specific genre really get it wrong; if you need to classify most djenty music as a genre, it falls under progressive. Its just an evolution of progressive metal, more rhythm manipulation, more chug, and usually more interesting. some examples of this are
I wont argue with yout there. And these bands indeed have some qualities i like, like being more melodic, rather than discordant like the heavier stuff out there. Either way im happy to add it the pile!! great find, thanks!
I'm a Djent guitarist, in a band that plays a similar style to Periphery... and 4/4 time signatures are TOTALLY allowed...
Djent is a great style because it allows you to do anything. I write riffs in 4/4 and I write riffs in 17/2, doesn't really matter.
Meshuggah uses 4/4 on the top part of the drums (snare, cymbals, etc..) and uses the same rhythm as the guitar player (23/5 or whatever Meshuggah chooses) on the kick. Incredibly complex drumming.
Also, most Djent bands use 7 strings, but 8 strings are becoming more popular every day.
As to the guitar tone comment, Djent started out as a guitar sound described by the rhythm player in Meshuggah for their two octave muted power chords, and then Misha from Periphery brought it more mainstream, and it turned into a genre and brought him more fame then sitting in his parents basement recording on a Pod XT.
On July 04 2011 22:18 iByte wrote: I'm a Djent guitarist, in a band that plays a similar style to Periphery... and 4/4 time signatures are TOTALLY allowed...
Djent is a great style because it allows you to do anything. I write riffs in 4/4 and I write riffs in 17/2, doesn't really matter.
Meshuggah uses 4/4 on the top part of the drums (snare, cymbals, etc..) and uses the same rhythm as the guitar player (23/5 or whatever Meshuggah chooses) on the kick. Incredibly complex drumming.
Also, most Djent bands use 7 strings, but 8 strings are becoming more popular every day.
As to the guitar tone comment, Djent started out as a guitar sound described by the rhythm player in Meshuggah for their two octave muted power chords, and then Misha from Periphery brought it more mainstream, and it turned into a genre and brought him more fame then sitting in his parents basement recording on a Pod XT.
How very true sir. The drummers hands are going to be in standard timing (for the most part) while simultaneously using their feet to follow the guitars time siganture/rythms. i Loves it! ive tried to learn some guitar lately, but frankly the guitar and drums require very different ways of thinking in order play it properly lol so il stick with drums for now since i am getting used it. Also lol when i play guitar i cant help but be a drummer and completely fuck up everything, and i suck at palm muting and picking fast lawl. Djent!
Going to update the op with this, and the meshuggah essay/article or w/e as well. Been finding this amazing. so, some of you may already know, but, After the burial has a song called Pi. Which they play as their intro song for shows. its extremely complex, but a guitarist took the time to explain the math behind it! For people into math-metal stuff - An explanation of 'Pi' by After the Burial + Show Spoiler +
"Breakdown in 3.14
Pi was written and recorded only a few days before the completion of the Master copy, at around 10 am, with a couple of serious hangovers. Justin and I had talked about having a classical guitar intro into some sort of heavier riffage, but we weren't quite sure what that was exactly going to be.
We remembered back to a few weeks prior, when we were throwing around an idea of using the mathematical constant Pi, and incorporating it into some sort of complex breakdown pattern where the kick drum corresponded to each number as the figure progressed. Kinda creating the ultimate mind boggler of a riff. The complexity of the intro is often overheard, because it's hard to discern what is actually going on within the track, UNTIL NOW!!!
Here's a breakdown of the....um, breakdown, in the intro to our album, "Pi: The Mercury God Of Infinity"
The actual tempo is 120 beats per minute (bpm). You can hear this by listening for the closed hi-hat that is panned left: it is playing constant eighth-notes.
The snare is on beat three in 4/4 time at 120 bpm.
A crash cymbal accents beat one of the first measure in 4/4. It is repeated every four measures.
Now this is where it gets tricky: the china cymbal.
It's hard to feel the breakdown in Pi at 120 bpm, and this is mostly due to the china cymbal, which is playing a 4 over 3 (4/3) dotted-eighth note ostinato that begins on the "E" of one.
Confused?
Check it out: A quarter note is equal to one beat in 4/4 time, but so are two eighth notes, or 4 sixteenth notes. It's all about subdividing note values.
When you count a measure of 4/4 in quarter notes, it's: 1, 2, 3, 4.
When counting in eighth notes, it's: 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. (a plus sign refers to the spoken count "and" ex. "One and two and three and four and")
When counting in sixteenths, it's: 1 E + A 2 E + A 3 E + A 4 E + A. (Spoken: "One e and a two e and a three e and a four e and a)
So when I say the china starts on the "E" of one, I'm referring to the spoken counting value assigned to the second 16th note in a quarter note duration.
A dotted eighth note is a duration of three 16th notes, an ostinato is a persistently repeated pattern. Basically, the china plays on the bold-capitalized letters:
one E and a TWO e and A three e AND a four E and a ONE e and A etc.
Starting to get it? Cool.
At last, the reason Pi is what it is: the Double-bass pattern.
The formula of Pi for the kick drum was pretty far fetched at first, but seemed to work well once the track was finished. The numbers and rests in the formula translate to 16th notes on the kick drum, and 16th note rests. There is no kick drum beats where there are snare drums. Sooo, here it is:
With the decimal point BEFORE the number, and starting with the first number, move that many decimal points to the right and insert that many 16th note rests. Use one 16th note rest to divide the numbers you passed (when applicable). Continue on throughout the rest of the figure. No repeats.
So basically for the first step, you'd place the point (pt) before the first number, three: (pt)3.14159265
Next you jump the decimal three points to the right: 3.14(pt)159265
That's where you insert three 16th rests, and insert one 16th note rest between the other numbers you passed: 3(16th rest)1(16th rest)4(dotted-eighth)159265
Now, your decimal lies in between the 4 and the 1. So, following the formula, you move one point to the right of the 1 and insert one 16th note rest. There are no numbers to separate with single 16th rests, so you move onto the next number, which is 5, and follow the same instructions.
That's all there is to it! The formula extends out to 71 decimal points "
On July 10 2011 12:28 TheBamf wrote: It is a shame Meshuggah is being grouped with the hordes of beyond dull Djent bands.
How so? Meshuggah is one my favorite bands ever, but have you even read through this thread? Your telling me Periphery, Cloudkicker, and the other bands on hear are dull??
Meshuggah's biggest weakness which springs from their biggest strenght is their total sterile sound. They sound like they play without emotion, and if you listen to Meshuggah you know that going into it. The charastics shared with other Djent bands is just that, as long as they can label it technical they will call it djent and claim for it to be original. Which is it not. Well atleast as far as I am concerned.
On July 10 2011 12:46 TheBamf wrote: To me, they are vey dull, - yes.
Meshuggah's biggest weakness which springs from their biggest strenght is their total sterile sound. They sound like they play without emotion, and if you listen to Meshuggah you know that going into it. The charastics shared with other Djent bands is just that, as long as they can label it technical they will call it djent and claim for it to be original. Which is it not. Well atleast as far as I am concerned.
Well i thank you for answering my question honestly. good listenin'
I finally figured out last night which song the GSL was playing after certain matches! turns out its Periphery! effing amazing! was really happy to hear this song after the JYP games. i actually remember Doa saying something about the guitar part.
Specifically starting at 1:55 is where the GSL normally starts the song, so anyone who was wondering, there it is! thanks to whoever picks the music at the GSL, doing a good job! (for the most part)
EDIT: Also the name of the song is a reference to an episode of Arrested Development, where Gob buys a jetpack lulz!
Guys new Kevin Suter! Been in love with this guy(band?) for awhile now, good to hear hes coming back!
And Textures as well! Drummers must watch this! IMO tho, the old Textures is better in all aspects, but im still going to listen to this album of course. Although the drums in this song preety amazing.
HEY people! dont like bumping my own thread, but i really want anyone who enjoys this to check out the top 20 albums of 2011, so here it is folks! will update the OP and hopefully people will check it out. Enjoy music lovers!
+1 to your #9 above (Corelia). All Periphery fans should check it out for sure... my faves are "Glass Faces" and "Treetops" (which has Spencer Sotelo in it for a verse I think)
Holy shit, how have I never heard this band before? Amazing, thank you so much!
Well frankly this thread has tonnes of amazing shit that no one is listening to, which is a real shame, there are some seriously talented people working theire butts off making so crazy good music, all check out the top 20 i made, theres music there to keep you going for months.
I'm really excited for this! I loved loved loved A Common Man's Collapse but couldn't get into [id]. Production sounds 10x better than [id] already.
I also checked out Ever Forthright a while ago but I really don't like em. They're really similar to Periphery (who I do like), but for some reason their songs bore me. I think it's mainly the guitar work which sounds the same everywhere and doesn't really have exciting parts.
pre-ordered the bundle already. MISHA IS PRODUCING IT TOO ^^
OOO MYYYY GODDDD!!! thats the 2nd best news ive heard for this coming year, 1st being none other than Meshuggah releaseing a new album in march of course! man this year will be preety great for us wont it!
I'm really excited for this! I loved loved loved A Common Man's Collapse but couldn't get into [id]. Production sounds 10x better than [id] already.
I also checked out Ever Forthright a while ago but I really don't like em. They're really similar to Periphery (who I do like), but for some reason their songs bore me. I think it's mainly the guitar work which sounds the same everywhere and doesn't really have exciting parts.
yeah i hear where your coming from, but Periphery has Misha Mansoor! the man is a brilliant song writer, cant wait for their new album, i think its comint out this year, theyve been doing some studio updates like everymonth. one can only hope!
KOLOSS is scheduled for European release on March 23rd and in North America on March 27, 2012 via Nuclear Blast Records.
The track listing for the jewel-case version is as follows:
01 – I Am Colossus 02 – The Demon’s Name Is Surveillance 03 – Do Not Look Down 04 – Behind The Sun 05 – The Hurt That Finds You First 06 – Marrow 07 – Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion 08 – Swarm 09 – Demiurge 10 – The Last Vigil
The North American deluxe digi-pak version of KOLOSS will include a bonus DVD.
KOLOSS is scheduled for European release on March 23rd and in North America on March 27, 2012 via Nuclear Blast Records.
The track listing for the jewel-case version is as follows:
01 – I Am Colossus 02 – The Demon’s Name Is Surveillance 03 – Do Not Look Down 04 – Behind The Sun 05 – The Hurt That Finds You First 06 – Marrow 07 – Break Those Bones Whose Sinews Gave It Motion 08 – Swarm 09 – Demiurge 10 – The Last Vigil
The North American deluxe digi-pak version of KOLOSS will include a bonus DVD.
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Opening track must be imba
Dude this is going to be greatest year ever!!! i love Meshuggah so damn much!!! i cant express my happinnes and anxiousness to get this album, i really hope they release a song of some sort, i always love hearing which direction the album is going, as well as how they are going to mix it. Obzen had some brilliant mixing IMO, the drums were actually perfection to me.
In the spirit of Meshuggah, how bout......some Messhuggah! covered by Misha Mansoor! i just love the rythms and guitar going on here.
Veil of Maya's new album preview is out. And OMG! it sounds like its going to be the best album of the year *behind Meshuggah of course*. yes its too early to tell, but holy shit im impressed, cant wait til the 28th.
Veil of Maya's new one is ok. Its still got Marc's signature style all over it but with Misha producing it sounds exactly like Periphery in that department. Probably the weakest of all their albums, not by much though, its a solid 7/10.
On February 27 2012 07:40 Klonere wrote: Veil of Maya's new one is ok. Its still got Marc's signature style all over it but with Misha producing it sounds exactly like Periphery in that department. Probably the weakest of all their albums, not by much though, its a solid 7/10.
I actually love the sound direction right now, in terms of mixing anyways, Periphery is good and all, they arent my favorite band, but i really feel like Misha has a great way of mixing, sound is really great IMO, sounds so clean! And i think ID is an amazing album regardless of the mixing, but like i say, really like Misha's way of getting these awesome tones and clean sounding instruments, specially the drums, mmm love me them drums.
Skyharbor's debut, blinding white noise (ft. daniel tompkins and marty friedman) is really damn fucking good. Think TesseracT's One without the wishy-washy production quality.
On February 27 2012 08:30 deth wrote: Skyharbor's debut, blinding white noise (ft. daniel tompkins and marty friedman) is really damn fucking good. Think TesseracT's One without the wishy-washy production quality.
On February 27 2012 08:30 deth wrote: Skyharbor's debut, blinding white noise (ft. daniel tompkins and marty friedman) is really damn fucking good. Think TesseracT's One without the wishy-washy production quality.
What's wishy-washy about Tesseract's production?
Yeah, what the hell lol Tesseract has fantastic mixing and quality. Not to mention one of the best albums ever made! but will be checking out Skyharbor fo sho. god i love music so much!
On February 27 2012 08:30 deth wrote: Skyharbor's debut, blinding white noise (ft. daniel tompkins and marty friedman) is really damn fucking good. Think TesseracT's One without the wishy-washy production quality.
What's wishy-washy about Tesseract's production?
To me at least, its missing the raw energy of what made them so popular in the first place. If you track down some demo's of original recordings of nascent, lament, acceptance, they were so incredibly energetic and felt like they were channeling such power in their performance. But with One, they sort of drowned everything out with ambience and clean guitars/vocals.
Not saying I dont absolutely adore dan's vocals, but I felt they let the ball drop a fair amount, making the album pretty disappointing for fans who had been listening to the songs for years.
On July 01 2011 17:42 pileopoop wrote: How am i supposed to hear the difference? sounds like metal
Some of it does i agree, some Meshuggah stuff, especially the older stuff is kinda metal. But frankly, i FEEL a difference more than i hear it. That is to say, rythms can keep going even when they finish a bar, so things kinda FEEL weird, until you listen to enough, and it starts to feel good. lol im not kidding either, hearing/feeling this music is much different than regular metal. Keep listening tho!!
They sound the same, and this is coming from a guitar player and a fan ^_^
Is it wrong to argue that djent is simply more complex? cause there is something about it that makes it harder to play, im also a drummer, and tho they are similar, like i said, they feel different, and are certainly harder to play, on drums at least. Speed metal for example is preety straight forward for drums, but not this, lol i have to listen to it a lot to figure out some parts.
I'm a fan of djent but this really depends on the type of metal. Progressive metal generally includes a lot of polyrhythms and variety in their music, and technical death metal is straight up the most complex form of metal there is both rhythmically and harmonically.
On February 27 2012 12:24 Elegance wrote: Is it just me or does Weightless sound vastly inferior to their first album (fav alltime album).
I assume you're talking about the new Animals as Leaders album? No it's not just you, it's almost completely missing all the catchy songwriting and quirky melodic sensibilities that were on the self titled. Got bored with it after a few rounds whereas I still listen to their first one regularly.
On February 27 2012 12:24 Elegance wrote: Is it just me or does Weightless sound vastly inferior to their first album (fav alltime album).
I assume you're talking about the new Animals as Leaders album? No it's not just you, it's almost completely missing all the catchy songwriting and quirky melodic sensibilities that were on the self titled. Got bored with it after a few rounds whereas I still listen to their first one regularly.
Not to be a huge fanboy but I think it's because Weightless was written by the actual band, whereas the self-titled was a collaboration effort between Tosin and Misha Mansoor hence the large difference (and lack of groove in Weightless)
On February 27 2012 12:24 Elegance wrote: Is it just me or does Weightless sound vastly inferior to their first album (fav alltime album).
I assume you're talking about the new Animals as Leaders album? No it's not just you, it's almost completely missing all the catchy songwriting and quirky melodic sensibilities that were on the self titled. Got bored with it after a few rounds whereas I still listen to their first one regularly.
Not to be a huge fanboy but I think it's because Weightless was written by the actual band, whereas the self-titled was a collaboration effort between Tosin and Misha Mansoor hence the large difference (and lack of groove in Weightless)
100% agree! everything about the 1st album is better imo, the mixing, the "groovy" parts, but for me Weightless is just missing all those amazing and catchy guitar solo's/lead parts that made every song unique. On a side note, has anyone been listening to the new Entities album, Luminosity?? im so in love with this album right now.
definitely check out their full length its amazing, if slightly overlong and the production is a bit sketchy.
oh and got-djent.com of course.
This song is amazing wow. I may have to pick up that album.
So I'm not explicitly into this Technical Metal stuff but from time to time I find some stuff I really like. One band I'm quite into is Xerath. Either way, I've decided that in 2012 I'm really going to be looking at metal again and focus on that as the genre to listen to.
Anyway, I'll probably be checking this thread every so often in case I find something so keep posting new releases here.
Also, I know this isn't really the same music but I know Chimp Spanner is popular in this sort of circle. Go check out his new EP. Really cool. Try Cloud City if you want a taste.
definitely check out their full length its amazing, if slightly overlong and the production is a bit sketchy.
oh and got-djent.com of course.
This song is amazing wow. I may have to pick up that album.
So I'm not explicitly into this Technical Metal stuff but from time to time I find some stuff I really like. One band I'm quite into is Xerath. Either way, I've decided that in 2012 I'm really going to be looking at metal again and focus on that as the genre to listen to.
Anyway, I'll probably be checking this thread every so often in case I find something so keep posting new releases here.
Also, I know this isn't really the same music but I know Chimp Spanner is popular in this sort of circle. Go check out his new EP. Really cool. Try Cloud City if you want a taste.
Well if you like Chimp Spanner, than you need to check out Jakub Zytecki, without a doubt, i find they have similar tastes, altough they diverge in their own direction, i think Jakub is somewhat of a prodigy, so young, yet some of the best music ive ever heard.
On February 29 2012 20:27 Elegance wrote: Probably due to the fact that the guitars were recorded on an axe-fx instead of a pod x3
lol i play drums, so i dont know what the hell you're talking about, can you explain? is there a really big difference between the 2?
Yes. The Pod x3 just sounds overprocessed and artificial (honestly I can say this about every Line 6 product), while the Axe FX does a good job at sounding more natural, like a tube amplifier vs a solid.
Gotta thank Line 6 for giving people the opportunity to create the djent sound but their products haven't really done much else but convince bad guitar players who only use the 2 lowest strings that they've dialed in a good sound.
On February 29 2012 20:27 Elegance wrote: Probably due to the fact that the guitars were recorded on an axe-fx instead of a pod x3
lol i play drums, so i dont know what the hell you're talking about, can you explain? is there a really big difference between the 2?
Yes. The Pod x3 just sounds overprocessed and artificial (honestly I can say this about every Line 6 product), while the Axe FX does a good job at sounding more natural, like a tube amplifier vs a solid.
Gotta thank Line 6 for giving people the opportunity to create the djent sound but their products haven't really done much else but convince bad guitar players who only use the 2 lowest strings that they've dialed in a good sound.
Hmm, interesting, so what bands use which? say Periphery, or After the Burial, etc. O and Meshuggah, what do they use?
On March 01 2012 11:06 deth wrote: Saw Meshuggah/Devin Townsend show last night, best concert ever. Those guys are so fucking sick live its incredible.
Its actually insane how Meshuggah's sound live is better than it is on the album, how many bands can do that? in fact, a lot of the older Meshuggah stuff played live sounds way better than the Studio recordings. amazing! best band ever! cant wait til next month!
On March 01 2012 11:14 Quesadilla wrote: Looks like my original thread was a bit ahead of its time. Glad this is getting some more circulation and nerd support now.
It was indeed! its even in the opening post, i thought it was very good. nothing like laddering to some Meshuggah and the like! glad people are liking it, hope we get some more support in this lil thread, these bands deserve better.
On March 01 2012 11:06 deth wrote: Saw Meshuggah/Devin Townsend show last night, best concert ever. Those guys are so fucking sick live its incredible.
Its actually insane how Meshuggah's sound live is better than it is on the album, how many bands can do that? in fact, a lot of the older Meshuggah stuff played live sounds way better than the Studio recordings. amazing! best band ever! cant wait til next month!
They simply can't capture the raw energy they have live onto a recording.. it really just has to be seen to be believed.
On February 29 2012 20:27 Elegance wrote: Probably due to the fact that the guitars were recorded on an axe-fx instead of a pod x3
lol i play drums, so i dont know what the hell you're talking about, can you explain? is there a really big difference between the 2?
Yes. The Pod x3 just sounds overprocessed and artificial (honestly I can say this about every Line 6 product), while the Axe FX does a good job at sounding more natural, like a tube amplifier vs a solid.
Gotta thank Line 6 for giving people the opportunity to create the djent sound but their products haven't really done much else but convince bad guitar players who only use the 2 lowest strings that they've dialed in a good sound.
Hmm, interesting, so what bands use which? say Periphery, or After the Burial, etc. O and Meshuggah, what do they use?
Meshuggah uses Line 6 Pod on all their albums (after their speed/thrash stuff of course) and Periphery uses Line 6 Pod on their album as well. However, both bands switched to Fractal Axe FX and pretty much abandoned Line 6 as far as I know. I don't think either of them released anything with the Axe FX yet.
On February 29 2012 20:27 Elegance wrote: Probably due to the fact that the guitars were recorded on an axe-fx instead of a pod x3
lol i play drums, so i dont know what the hell you're talking about, can you explain? is there a really big difference between the 2?
Yes. The Pod x3 just sounds overprocessed and artificial (honestly I can say this about every Line 6 product), while the Axe FX does a good job at sounding more natural, like a tube amplifier vs a solid.
Gotta thank Line 6 for giving people the opportunity to create the djent sound but their products haven't really done much else but convince bad guitar players who only use the 2 lowest strings that they've dialed in a good sound.
Hmm, interesting, so what bands use which? say Periphery, or After the Burial, etc. O and Meshuggah, what do they use?
Meshuggah uses Line 6 Pod on all their albums (after their speed/thrash stuff of course) and Periphery uses Line 6 Pod on their album as well. However, both bands switched to Fractal Axe FX and pretty much abandoned Line 6 as far as I know. I don't think either of them released anything with the Axe FX yet.
Yeah that sounds really good actually. And for anyone who doesnt know, you can download all of Misha's stuff hes upped to soundcloud/soundclick, theres like 600 MB of songs to listen to, and some great Final Fantasy covers too!
Misha uses the Axe-FX 2 now (and has been since release).
Not bashing Line 6 in anyway (I own a pod x3 myself), but I have to give credit where it's due.
As for reference, Periphery's first album was recorded through Axe-FX ultra (their second album will be through Axe-FX 2), Animals as Leaders self-titled debut was on a pod x3. Pretty sure Chimp Spanners stuff was recorded through pod (he may still use them). I have also heard that Tesseract used a Line 6 pod (not 100% sure)
On March 02 2012 10:13 Elegance wrote: Misha uses the Axe-FX 2 now (and has been since release).
Not bashing Line 6 in anyway (I own a pod x3 myself), but I have to give credit where it's due.
As for reference, Periphery's first album was recorded through Axe-FX ultra (their second album will be through Axe-FX 2), Animals as Leaders self-titled debut was on a pod x3. Pretty sure Chimp Spanners stuff was recorded through pod (he may still use them). I have also heard that Tesseract used a Line 6 pod (not 100% sure)
Seems like its more of a preference thing i suppose. I wonder what Meshuggah's new album will be using. either way it will sound brutally awesome im sure!
On March 02 2012 10:33 Sentient66 wrote: Anyone up in here heard the new Veil of Maya yet? Absolutely killer offering by the band, and Misha Mansoor's production is top-notch as always.
Listening to it right now actually, im sord of mixed in my opinion of the album so far. Its far too short for my liking, specially considering the song eclipse to me is just boring. I love the mixing, as is standard with Misha producing, still a good album, the breakdowns that are there are amazing, but theres just not enough of them, not enough songs. Its made me go back and listen to there old albums, and i realize they are all great, but actually i think their 1st album is my favorite. Still, its better than 99% of the garbage music that comes out these days, and still an enjoyable album, albeit, only for like 30 mins or w/e.
On March 02 2012 10:33 Sentient66 wrote: Anyone up in here heard the new Veil of Maya yet? Absolutely killer offering by the band, and Misha Mansoor's production is top-notch as always.
Not a big fan of their stuff, however this album is much better than their older ones from what I can tell. I heard that [id] had a shit production
On March 02 2012 10:33 Sentient66 wrote: Anyone up in here heard the new Veil of Maya yet? Absolutely killer offering by the band, and Misha Mansoor's production is top-notch as always.
Not a big fan of their stuff, however this album is much better than their older ones from what I can tell. I heard that [id] had a shit production
lol yeah [id] sounded preety bad production wise, but its such a great album, with some stupidly complex rythms in some songs. Actually both there 1st and 2nd album kinda sounded like crap, but its still plenty good enough to enjoy their talents.
I think the thing I wanted to hear from VoM was the groove (evident in periphery and AAL first album). Honestly, after being a huge fan of death metal, deathcore, etc. I can't seem to go back after Periphery/AAL. And as groovy as the riffs are, its really the drums that makes it such a joy to listen to (cant go back to blast beats anymore). I don't think ive ever enjoyed entire albums for this long
top notch song from a sick up and coming brit band, the singer is the old one from sylosis (no coincidence they sound trash now the lead guitarist has taken over vocals) and the drummer is the drummer from fellsilent (acle kahney from tesseracts old band)
On March 02 2012 10:48 Elegance wrote: I think the thing I wanted to hear from VoM was the groove (evident in periphery and AAL first album). Honestly, after being a huge fan of death metal, deathcore, etc. I can't seem to go back after Periphery/AAL. And as groovy as the riffs are, its really the drums that makes it such a joy to listen to (cant go back to blast beats anymore). I don't think ive ever enjoyed entire albums for this long
Im sure your aware of Meshuggah, you should probly get like all their albums lol to me all their songs are groovy, like everysong has amazing rythms, ive been listening to them everyday for the passt like 2 years, mainly because their albums have just amazing rythms. anyways im sure im preaching to the quire here lol!
On March 02 2012 10:55 chaostheory_ wrote: top notch song from a sick up and coming brit band, the singer is the old one from sylosis (no coincidence they sound trash now the lead guitarist has taken over vocals) and the drummer is the drummer from fellsilent (acle kahney from tesseracts old band)
On March 02 2012 10:48 Elegance wrote: I think the thing I wanted to hear from VoM was the groove (evident in periphery and AAL first album). Honestly, after being a huge fan of death metal, deathcore, etc. I can't seem to go back after Periphery/AAL. And as groovy as the riffs are, its really the drums that makes it such a joy to listen to (cant go back to blast beats anymore). I don't think ive ever enjoyed entire albums for this long
Im sure your aware of Meshuggah, you should probly get like all their albums lol to me all their songs are groovy, like everysong has amazing rythms, ive been listening to them everyday for the passt like 2 years, mainly because their albums have just amazing rythms. anyways im sure im preaching to the quire here lol!
Haha Meshuggah of course, it is implied in this thread. I don't really know what to think of their new album yet (obZen was sick). Im sure ill delve even deeper into Meshuggah once I get an 8-string guitar to be able to play their stuff.
Hm this is interesting, lot of mellow stuff intertwined in their songs, i like very much, gunna look for this album right now! thanks for sharing. And on the topic of some more unknown bands, anyone listened to Synthetic Breed? or WorC? Worc is a solo project from the guitarist of Uneven Structure. Both awesome stuff!
On March 02 2012 11:45 CaptainKirby wrote: so...prog death = djent? I R confuse! Where does djent come from and whats the point of calling it... that?
EDIT:! So I googled it and it seems meshugga wanted their own genre.... lol XD
I think you are mistaken, Meshuggah is the definition of independant IMO. Theyve always said, they are making music they want to make, they dont care what the fans want, or what genre people lump them into, they just make music they love themselves. Also, read the OP, the whole thing, and you can get an idea of what Djent is. Its another form of metal i guess, that doesn have to have blast beats and solos! rofl. seriously tho i fucking hate blast beats.
Fair game...to me it just...just seems overly silly adding yet another term to something that is already well defined... just my 2c Anyway carry on, fine sirs!
On March 02 2012 11:54 CaptainKirby wrote: Fair game...to me it just...just seems overly silly adding yet another term to something that is already well defined... just my 2c Anyway carry on, fine sirs!
No worries! i hate arguing about it, but this thread was the best way to spread the word about these sounding bands, and ive learned alot in this thread, and got tonnes of new music because of it. so lets not argue, lets just enjoy us some music! muaha
On March 02 2012 12:03 Elegance wrote: yeah, even as an avid djent fan, the topic is still very much up in the air
Yup, unfortunately theres no real way around it. I mean, when i go to the "death metal thread", or the "metal thread", i serioulsy cannot stand the bands in those threads, so i dont feel comfortable telling people i listen to Metal, since people who like Metal, generally assume i like all those generic bands like Trivium, All that remains, etc. So its either call this Tech Metal? or Math Metal maybe? but thats the same problem, just more and more sub-genre's, so i just call this Djent, since it doesnt have the word Metal in it, and people who know what Djent is can sord of get a grasp of what bands they are talking about. Its all a bit ridiculous, but thats life!
Guess whos listening to new Mesghuggah!!! me!! right now!!!!! not done it yet, so saving my judgement til ive listend to it 100 times. But man the guitars sound so like, heavy! or dark! or something! its crazy! anwaysy heres a teaser for you guys,
Ugh Imperium Vorago so good! I love Chimp Spanner hahaha.
Anyways, can't wait to see Periphery again next week, 'tis going to own some face. I would love it if there was a chimp spanner/tesseract/periphery concert :3 maybe a few other bands too though...
New Meshuggah is pretty good, though I don't like it as much as some other bands. Idk. I like stuff more like bands listed above or like The Human Abstract or Friend for a Foe. Still... it's a good album, I just don't know if it's great yet
On March 31 2012 03:38 aike wrote: Ugh Imperium Vorago so good! I love Chimp Spanner hahaha.
Anyways, can't wait to see Periphery again next week, 'tis going to own some face. I would love it if there was a chimp spanner/tesseract/periphery concert :3 maybe a few other bands too though...
New Meshuggah is pretty good, though I don't like it as much as some other bands. Idk. I like stuff more like bands listed above or like The Human Abstract or Friend for a Foe. Still... it's a good album, I just don't know if it's great yet
Damn you lucky! I havent been to a good show in a really long time. And yeah if the 3 of them played in a show together, man that would be insane, although, i have to say, im preety dissapointed with Tesseract right now, I truly hate Elliott's voice, and their next EP is basically just re-hashing their old songs but with a new vocalist, with only a few new tunes, i mean i dont wanna a hater, but seriously Elliott's voice does not suite Tesserract at all IMO.
As for Meshuggah's album, after listening the passed week or two everyday, its growing on me quite a bit. I think its a good follow up to Obzen in the sense that it's a clear progression from that album, alot slower, but clearly the direction their headed is unlike the other bands in the scene IMO. Meshuggah never ceases to amaze me, its just unfortunate that for me, Chaosphere is probably my favorite album of all time, so i dont see them topping that album ever, and no band out there right now will ever top Meshuggah's best days in music writing. And thinking of it, Chaosphere is over 10 years ago, thats insane to think about that its taking bands so long to even try to come remotely close to them over the years. Anways /end Meshuggah rant.
And o shit, got-djent just posted Meshuggahs new music video! what good timing after i spent all that time talking about them rofl.
Awesome thread. I'm really surprised no one has mentioned Uneven Structure yet, such a good band and still under the radar as far as metal goes, but absolutely huge in the djent-scene.
You guys should check out their full length album "Februus". It's mind-blowingly good.
EDIT: One of the guitarists in Uneven Structure has kind of a solo project which goes under the name "Eggeh" Also worth checking out!!
Man Rock band should just not have ghost notes whatsoever, they dont work in a music video game at all, the whole point is to barely hit the snare at all, and just kind of feel it, yet since the game only uses on/off switches it just sounds terrible, yeah im a drummer so that shit pisses me off rofl. cool video tho, cool to see real music in rock band.
On April 02 2012 16:54 deadRa wrote: Awesome thread. I'm really surprised no one has mentioned Uneven Structure yet, such a good band and still under the radar as far as metal goes, but absolutely huge in the djent-scene.
EDIT: One of the guitarists in Uneven Structure has kind of a solo project which goes under the name "Eggeh" Also worth checking out!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=40qrlt3pjc4
Im preety sure Uneven Structure has been mentioned before actually, in fact it was in a post i made about the top 20 Albums of last year, i think it got 3rd or something, its amazing for sure. And funny you mentioned that side project, cause heres another from the lead Guitarist if im not mistaken, its beautiful to say the least.
And on the topic of ghost notes i mentioned, Periphery's drummer had a sick session in the middle of SXSW, just him playing drums in the street, the man loves his ghost notes, there all over the place. love it!
Skyharbor - (formally Hydrodjent - indian guitarists project ft. dan tompkins/marty friedman + others)
The Algorithm - jazz infused Djent electronica (720p this or it sounds like shit)
New Jeff Loomis album - so fucking groovy and sick, get it!
Circles - Australian djent progmetal ftw
Haunted Shores ft. elliot coleman - including this to show people elliots vocal range (and I believe when it comes to the studio tesseract could be pretty amazing with him)
Haunted Shores ft. elliot coleman - including this to show people elliots vocal range (and I believe when it comes to the studio tesseract could be pretty amazing with him) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9g0bLUItHaw
Yuppers, all great stuff ive been listening too as well, but i disagree about Elliott, i truly hate that mans voice, just my opinion, im sure lots of people like it and all, but i just wish Tesseract would drop vocals all together at this point, and consdering the new "EP" they are releasing this year is just old songs but with Elliots voice, its hard to get excited, specially when Dan's voice was so much better IMO.
On April 13 2012 13:17 aike wrote: Some nice epic chill djents
Oh, Djent may be just the term. I've been hunting for music like Meshuggah calling it "mathcore" for quite a while. It ended up bringing me bands like Battles, Dillinger Escape Plan and Gojira, who certainly make music I enjoy, but nothing quite like the venerable Meshuggah. I'll make sure to listen to these songs when I have better connectivity.
Basically, I want music that is sharp, abrasive, and disturbingly complex, in order to stay interested and focused. Only Meshuggah delivers. (As well as a plethora of electronic musicians like Venetian Snares.)
On April 13 2012 14:03 sapht wrote: Oh, Djent may be just the term. I've been hunting for music like Meshuggah calling it "mathcore" for quite a while. It ended up bringing me bands like Battles, Dillinger Escape Plan and Gojira, who certainly make music I enjoy, but nothing quite like the venerable Meshuggah. I'll make sure to listen to these songs when I have better connectivity.
Basically, I want music that is sharp, abrasive, and disturbingly complex, in order to stay interested and focused. Only Meshuggah delivers. (As well as a plethora of electronic musicians like Venetian Snares.)
Well this thread is the right place to go, if your looking for the really complex stuff, yes Meshuggah is #1 essentially, but some other bands ive found to be almost on par are the following:
and frankly if you havent heard Pi from After the Burial, than you should probly load that up right now.
Hmmm, now that i think about it, preety much every band in this thread is brilliant in some way or another, Meshuggah does have a way of making there songs flow unlike some other bands, but im hooked on every band in here, have like 10Gb of Djent and i listen to it everyday and never get bored. well enjoy friend.
Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
On April 13 2012 15:20 p0q wrote: Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
1st off, awesome video lol really enjoyed that 2ndly, yo should try listening to some Corelia, or Sithu Aye, they do have some really great melodies, with complex rythms mixed in, some good vocals, and great song structure, just saying, you look hard enough in here and youll see its not all about just being complex for the sake of being complex, theres some real talent in here, not just polyrythms and off beat time signatures, there is some great songwriting as well.
On April 13 2012 15:25 Hollow wrote: lol, that new Meshuggah video clip is so shit. It's like looking at a .gif of them moving for 6 mins +. The song's alright tho.
Yeah its a waste of a music video IMO, and the song itself is one my least favorite from the album as well. Still not sold on Koloss yet, i still find myself going back to Chaosphere everyday.
On April 13 2012 15:20 p0q wrote: Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
There is care for melody in some stuff, but djent is definitely more about the rhythmic aspects of music. But it's more than just math, there's a specific sound that djent guitars have (hence where the term came from), and all-in-all it's just very percussive music with lots of grooves more so than melodies.
I mean if you listen to Icarus Lives! by periphery, it's not a math intensive song. 4/4 with just some syncopation and lots of riffage. It's not like they sit down and write out math problems and then play them, they write songs the same way anybody else does, they just try to do it in a more creative, percussive, and groovy way than most music is.
On April 13 2012 15:20 p0q wrote: Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
There is care for melody in some stuff, but djent is definitely more about the rhythmic aspects of music. But it's more than just math, there's a specific sound that djent guitars have (hence where the term came from), and all-in-all it's just very percussive music with lots of grooves more so than melodies.
I mean if you listen to Icarus Lives! by periphery, it's not a math intensive song. 4/4 with just some syncopation and lots of riffage. It's not like they sit down and write out math problems and then play them, they write songs the same way anybody else does, they just try to do it in a more creative, percussive, and groovy way than most music is.
Damn! you said it better than i could have for sure, its about how the songs feel more than anything. Love Djent...
On April 13 2012 15:20 p0q wrote: Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
1st off, awesome video lol really enjoyed that 2ndly, yo should try listening to some Corelia, or Sithu Aye, they do have some really great melodies, with complex rythms mixed in, some good vocals, and great song structure, just saying, you look hard enough in here and youll see its not all about just being complex for the sake of being complex, theres some real talent in here, not just polyrythms and off beat time signatures, there is some great songwriting as well.
Hm, if that video is djent too. Then i meight have been a bit fast on the trigger (tho i did listen to 10 or so songs from the thread before posting.) That's got lots more melody then any of the others i heard. Albeit it does sound like a completely different genre, sounds like pink floyd meets dream theater... But, he's not playing an 8 string tho ? a normal guitar dropped to F# ? Corelia is a pretty cool mix of new and old school heavy... But again sounds alot more like normal heavy then most of the other things i found in this thread.
On April 13 2012 15:20 p0q wrote: Don't really get this genre. Sounds to me like an excuse to just play some hella hard polyrythmics with no real care for melody, composition or dynamics. Sure it's hard to play, but to my ears it sounds more like a mathematical experiment then music to be honest... Ah well, as long as they are having fun.
There is care for melody in some stuff, but djent is definitely more about the rhythmic aspects of music. But it's more than just math, there's a specific sound that djent guitars have (hence where the term came from), and all-in-all it's just very percussive music with lots of grooves more so than melodies.
I mean if you listen to Icarus Lives! by periphery, it's not a math intensive song. 4/4 with just some syncopation and lots of riffage. It's not like they sit down and write out math problems and then play them, they write songs the same way anybody else does, they just try to do it in a more creative, percussive, and groovy way than most music is.
Listened to the song, interesting tune. But once again that sounds like a completely different genre then most of the others i heard in this thread, sounded more like a "normal" heavy band with more of a rhythmic focus. Maybe this djent thing is a fair bit bigger of a genre then i thought, guess i'll listen to some more music from the thread.
hey im down with that, decent song, gunna see what the rest of the album is like. Also wanted to let people know that the man behind Modern Day Babylon has a full album playthrough on youtube, amazing album if you guys havent heard it yet! The 1st minute alone should sell you on it.
On April 13 2012 16:40 p0q wrote: Listened to the song, interesting tune. But once again that sounds like a completely different genre then most of the others i heard in this thread, sounded more like a "normal" heavy band with more of a rhythmic focus. Maybe this djent thing is a fair bit bigger of a genre then i thought, guess i'll listen to some more music from the thread.
Haha well, Periphery is most certainly djent But yea if you listen to chimp spanner he has a lot more progressive metal sound but he still djents up his songs a bit. It's hard to say djent is a specific genre... to me it seems to be more of a style? idk, it just feels like an idea that can span multiple sub-genres in metal music. It just needs a big focus on percussive sound, but can still allow for melodic parts over the top of the percussive/rhythmic parts. I would consider tesseract, chimp spanner, periphery, meshuggah, and the human abstract as djent bands, but they are all quite different from each other.
Hey guys! Skyharbors new album hit on the 23rd, been listening to it alot, and personally id say its a 8/10. Very Tesseract-ish, some cool djenty stuff, but i like the album cause it does have its own feel to it thats missing in a lot of albums lately, its not a spectacular album by any means, but absolutely worth your time, has some really great mellow/clean parts/songs in it as well. So go check it out! This song is preety sick, some great grooves in the middle of the song.
Also, if no ones been listening to Shades of Black, you need to do it right now! im loving this guys stuff right now, so heavy! and hes a really great guitarist thats fo sho! He also announced hes making a new album, heres the pre-production teaser, frankly, its sounding even better than his old stuff, fuck i cant wait!! go now!
Veil of Maya is an amazing band, but it took me forever to get used to their sound because it was my first exploration into the genre. I haven't got too absorbed in their new album yet, but there old stuff is definitely great
Also, I'm having a hard time determing if the band Within the Ruins is djent. They remind me a lot of Veil of Maya, but I can't find many places labeling them as djent. Could someone care to elaborate on the differences?
itkovian, I would say yes they are djent, because to me djent is more than just a genre... it's an idea! While this isn't the standard "groovy" djent, it does have a djenty sound to the guitars, just more br00tal. So mainly I'd say it's metalcore/deathcore with djent influences. It has parts with djenty sounding riffs, but almost no djenty groove.
On April 30 2012 11:30 aike wrote: itkovian, I would say yes they are djent, because to me djent is more than just a genre... it's an idea! While this isn't the standard "groovy" djent, it does have a djenty sound to the guitars, just more br00tal. So mainly I'd say it's metalcore/deathcore with djent influences. It has parts with djenty sounding riffs, but almost no djenty groove.
Haha, well put. I guess since the genre of djent is more of a fan-created label, it has more flexibility when using it to describe bands. Within the Ruins does seem to have mostly of a -core element with the djent influence being a little more subtle
On April 30 2012 11:30 aike wrote: itkovian, I would say yes they are djent, because to me djent is more than just a genre... it's an idea! While this isn't the standard "groovy" djent, it does have a djenty sound to the guitars, just more br00tal. So mainly I'd say it's metalcore/deathcore with djent influences. It has parts with djenty sounding riffs, but almost no djenty groove.
Haha, well put. I guess since the genre of djent is more of a fan-created label, it has more flexibility when using it to describe bands. Within the Ruins does seem to have mostly of a -core element with the djent influence being a little more subtle
Let's just call it djent-core and that will be good?
On July 02 2011 05:50 Unhallowed wrote: CAFO is so fucking sick. One of the best songs I have ever heard
so weird, last night while randomly browsing youtube, this song came up on the recommended sidebar. i had never heard of animal as leaders, but holy crap did i fall in love. then i see this thread as a resurface; so coincidental.
On July 02 2011 05:50 Unhallowed wrote: CAFO is so fucking sick. One of the best songs I have ever heard
so weird, last night while randomly browsing youtube, this song came up on the recommended sidebar. i had never heard of animal as leaders, but holy crap did i fall in love. then i see this thread as a resurface; so coincidental.
but yea, mainly wanted to give some love to CAFO.
Animals as Leaders' entire first album (song to song) is one of the best albums I have ever heard. Some of the songs, it takes longer to really get into it but it is worth it. Second album however I'm still not sold on
I'm listening to Meshuggah's Koloss right now, sounds great but it'll take me a while to get used to the brutal nature of the music. I've know about Textures for a few years now and they're hands down up there in my top favorites of all time. Their most recent is a must have for any fan of this style of music.
On a funny note, I feel like my head is going to burst listening to Koloss. Like... physically feeling ill/dizzy.
I enjoyed Koloss, although I have to say it's the first time I listened to a Meshuggah album and thought : "I've heard this before." Of course it'd be unreasonable to expect them to reinvent the wheel with every album (and I find it ressembles Nothing the most, a plus in my book), and I definitely like it more than Obzen.
Mechuggachuggachugga is a fantastic band, but that's really as far as my djent tastes will allow. I have a friend who obsesses over all things to do with mathy metal though, so I'll show him this :D
Hey guys, some new stuff i just stumbled upon, thought id share it, loving it so far. This to me, IS Djent, just so awesome, great tone here IMO.
And something im liking the more i listen to it as well, vocals werent my favorite, but im starting to get into it now, could only find a preview of the EP, but needless to say, find it, and love it.
On May 08 2012 23:52 Elegance wrote: The second one reminds me of a more djenty chimp spanner
Well idk, some Chimp Spanner is quite djenty:
I'm not sure I'm a huge fan of the first video... it's almost too percussive... very simple drums with the very simple djenty sound over the bass drum only, not a lot of anything else
Not a huge fan of all the sumeriancore bands or periphery (god i can't stand that guy's cleans) but I am a huge Meshuggah fan. Their music seems to never be stale or uninspired. I highly recommend Meshuggah's Koloss, it has a more homogenous sound I feel, the album is much easier to sit through and enjoy than their previous ones while being just as enjoyable.
I just bought Sithu Aye's EP and Album.... they are so fking good! You can download for free on his bandcamp (Pay whatever you want) so I just paid $16.50 for both of them... so worth it :3
Tesseracts new EP leaked, find it for yourselves and have a solid listen. Loving Elliot's range, cant wait to see what they can do when they FINALLY release new material.
I consider myself a mediocre metal fan, however I can't get myself to like post-hardcore and djent music :D
what do I do to start liking these ugly and lacking individuality vocals ? and this music that lacks melody and individuality ? I feel like for those who DO already love this genre, it's a world of its own and a wonderful one ,but how to get into it ? any bands / songs to start with ?
Here's a list with some of my favorites: The Korea, After The Burial, Aliases, Born of Osiris, Circles, Circles of Contempt, Erra, Mureau, Northlane, Periphery, Structures, Substructure, Volumes, Tesseract, Uneven Structure, Animals As Leaders, The Contortionist, Cloudkicker, Eitist, Fellsilent, Vildhjarta. Those are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.
On May 22 2012 09:19 Nancial wrote: I consider myself a mediocre metal fan, however I can't get myself to like post-hardcore and djent music :D
what do I do to start liking these ugly and lacking individuality vocals ? and this music that lacks melody and individuality ? I feel like for those who DO already love this genre, it's a world of its own and a wonderful one ,but how to get into it ? any bands / songs to start with ?
start with the ones that pride themselves on BEING melodic and individual.
I would recommend starting with instrumental projects such as Animals as Leaders, Chimp Spanner, Cloudkicker.
Then progress to bands with cleaner vocals and pride themselves on melody/ambient sections (albiet containing their fair share of harsh vocals): TesseracT, Skyharbor, Uneven Structure, Circles, Haunted Shores, Periphery, the human abstract, Textures.
Next, when you're hungry for more, you hit up: Meshuggah, Textures (older/heavier albums), Born of Osiris, Vildjharta, Cardona, The Contortionist, Dillinger Escape plan (not djent, but fucking awesome math metal), and many more.
On May 21 2012 16:39 deth wrote: Tesseracts new EP leaked, find it for yourselves and have a solid listen. Loving Elliot's range, cant wait to see what they can do when they FINALLY release new material.
In other news, new periphery album on july 3rd!
If theres an instrumental version of Tesseracts EP ill listen to it, but i cant take anymore of this Elliot Coleman voice, its like hes got vibrato ON all the time in his voice box, range is great, but personally, i think hes detracting from the band, i mean, is it so hard to just play instrumental music Tesseract? Your musicianship is more than enough for me, even loving Dan's vocals from the original stuff, id still rather instrumental overall.
As for Periphery, finally, been listening to Bulb's like 200 songs from sounclick/cloud or w/e, need some new shit here.
On May 22 2012 09:19 Nancial wrote: I consider myself a mediocre metal fan, however I can't get myself to like post-hardcore and djent music :D
what do I do to start liking these ugly and lacking individuality vocals ? and this music that lacks melody and individuality ? I feel like for those who DO already love this genre, it's a world of its own and a wonderful one ,but how to get into it ? any bands / songs to start with ?
Totally agree with out Beg ^^ . Textures is what started me off with their 1st album, mainly the song Polars, just a wonderful song. Meshuggah tho, man it took me awhile to get into them, but when i did, my world opened up to something amazing, a band of geniuses, who were so ahead of their time, even 10+ years ago, making music that still holds the test of time.
And a great cover of an old Volumes song, which is a very underrated band IMO.
I can't stand Volumes tbh, seems like the shitty side of the djent movement I detest - djent for the sake of it, such a mediocre, middle of the road band lacking in creativity and originality.
On May 25 2012 23:43 deth wrote: I can't stand Volumes tbh, seems like the shitty side of the djent movement I detest - djent for the sake of it, such a mediocre, middle of the road band lacking in creativity and originality.
Bleh.
ok, well you could have just said, "meh, not my thing personally" , or hell, just not even post at all, not like your adding anything to this thread.
On May 25 2012 23:43 deth wrote: I can't stand Volumes tbh, seems like the shitty side of the djent movement I detest - djent for the sake of it, such a mediocre, middle of the road band lacking in creativity and originality.
Bleh.
ok, well you could have just said, "meh, not my thing personally" , or hell, just not even post at all, not like your adding anything to this thread.
what part of the word discussion do you not understand
On May 25 2012 23:43 deth wrote: I can't stand Volumes tbh, seems like the shitty side of the djent movement I detest - djent for the sake of it, such a mediocre, middle of the road band lacking in creativity and originality.
Bleh.
Definitely understand where you are coming from. I personally like the djenty stuff that has more riffing and melodic parts, like a lot of chimp spanner and tesseract and friend for a foe. I do enjoy a lot of periphery/bulb stuff as well. So try listening to those bands and see if you like any of them.
Quite enjoying all these bands at present. While I do love Meshuggah I do enjoy the bands who expand the melodies a bit more than Meshuggah's sparse style.
hey guys, got some sweet new tunes im listening too right now, not pure djent by any means, but its in there, and its just all around impressive stuff, instrumental as well, which is always a plus in my book. Check these guys out, loving this album right now.
Save us from the Archon
Also, ^^ yeah you got that right, but heres some vocal preformances that came out not to long ago, mainly Dan from Skyharbor posted preety much the whole album playthrough on his youtube, totally awesome. http://www.youtube.com/user/RockWithDan . Also, theres some Corelia Vocal only tracks that are amazing as well.
If you havent checked out Corelia's stuff, its a must listen IMO.
I can't wait to get my CD+T-Shirt+Poster preorder in a week or so :3
I think Spencer really stepped it up on vocals for this album. And the guitars seem quite a bit different than their first album... but it's still definitely Periphery... just the real Periphery rather than just Bulb
I can't wait to get my CD+T-Shirt+Poster preorder in a week or so :3
I think Spencer really stepped it up on vocals for this album. And the guitars seem quite a bit different than their first album... but it's still definitely Periphery... just the real Periphery rather than just Bulb
Thanks for the link. I don't make an effort to keep up with much so I wouldn't have noticed for weeks otherwise
Very much enjoyed the first; especially sans vocals.
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I definitely prefer the more rhythmic stuff when it comes to this genre. The 'melodic' soloing and riffage, to my ears, is usually everything but.
Yuppers, sounds great. And Periphery II is preety awesome i gotta say, listening to it constantly right now. It does sound a little different then the old Periphery, not a bad thing at all, really digging the vocals, and the fact its not just Chug-Chug-Chug, liking the diversity here.
I also gotta promote Save us from the Archon again, this is probly my Favorite album at this moment, people should really check it out. Much more up beat than the the normal stuff in here.
And while im here, im re-listening to Ion Dissonance, which is a band kind of close to my heart, since i listened to them all through high-school, and just recently got back into their older stuff, probly doesnt really belong in here, but i know the people who read this thread are at least fans of good musicians, and this stuff is still preety damn coplex, not to mention was my first time hearing 7 strings in action, with a nice tone, and the mixing to their albums is great as well (except their 1st). Here, Stay awhile, and listen...
Here we go! **Note youtube destroys the bitrate and overall sound quality, so if you like what you hear, go find it!
Also, their Canadian!! cool!
From their 1st album, very rough, and mixing wasnt at its best here, but they made this album in 2003, still awesome song, and awesome album. + Show Spoiler +
From the Album "Solace", one of the wackiest, crazy complicated albums ive heard, just a taste here. + Show Spoiler +
From the same album "Solace", one of my favorite songs of all time, an EPIC 10 min song, although the 1st few minutes are just awesome Dischords, which they love so much, and sound awesome of course, but this song is really a testament to their skills, timings are amazing, outro is simply insane, and some amazing drums. Song truly starts at 2:15. and at 3:20, some of the darkest shit ive ever heard, especially if you like some really really low tones.
From their 3rd album, arguably the best album, to me this album is more djenty than the others, way more breakdowns, much slower in a way, with some sick good songs.
Here, one of the best intro songs to an album, nice, and heavy.
This song, is kind of at the hear of this particular album, heavy rythms and lots of chug. + Show Spoiler +
and just one of my personal favs fromt he album, listen to it on the way in the work parking lot, really gets me going!!!! + Show Spoiler +
Their 4th and latest album, personally, not a huge fan of, but it does feel like a mix of Solace and Minus the Herd, still heavy, but way more complex then Minus the herd, not as much groove i guess. Still tho, has an awesome intro song
On June 29 2012 05:33 Elegance wrote: Periphery II is the first album (or anything ie. Diablo 3) that hasn't disappointed this year!
I dont know about that, David Maxim Micic - Bilo 2.0 was preety good, albeit, different. Frankly theres a bunch of good albums that came out this year, to many to name really, nothing like, groundbreaking, but some very enjoyable stuff, such as, The Ralph - Fragments EP, The Safety Fire - Grind the Ocean, just to name a few.
On June 29 2012 05:33 Elegance wrote: Periphery II is the first album (or anything ie. Diablo 3) that hasn't disappointed this year!
I dont know about that, David Maxim Micic - Bilo 2.0 was preety good, albeit, different. Frankly theres a bunch of good albums that came out this year, to many to name really, nothing like, groundbreaking, but some very enjoyable stuff, such as, The Ralph - Fragments EP, The Safety Fire - Grind the Ocean, just to name a few.
On June 29 2012 05:33 Elegance wrote: Periphery II is the first album (or anything ie. Diablo 3) that hasn't disappointed this year!
I dont know about that, David Maxim Micic - Bilo 2.0 was preety good, albeit, different. Frankly theres a bunch of good albums that came out this year, to many to name really, nothing like, groundbreaking, but some very enjoyable stuff, such as, The Ralph - Fragments EP, The Safety Fire - Grind the Ocean, just to name a few.
yeah but I havent listened to any of that yet
Lol, well, then you have a lot to catch up on, there were many albums this year worth listening to, listening to some Entities right now, Luminosity EP while playing SC2 right now, endless amounts of stuff to listen to.
Sorry, was not listening to Periphery when i made this thread long ago, was almost exlusively listening to Meshuggah, but thanks to this thread, ive learned about many new bands, so, my goal was accomplished. Also, this Contortionist album is amazing, very underrated band.
New Monuments album - Gnosis is absolutely mind numbing, Best release this year. Beats Periphery II and i freaking love periphery. this album grooves for days
On August 29 2012 23:36 Elegance wrote: New Monuments album - Gnosis is absolutely mind numbing, Best release this year. Beats Periphery II and i freaking love periphery. this album grooves for days
Aye its an awesome release, had the album on loop/repeat alot since it came out. Been waiting for this since fellsilent split!
If anyones looking for some new albums. Ones i would recommend, Monuments - Gnosis , obviously. Stealing Axion - Moments Was pleasantly sursprised by this, great album all around.
Sybreed - God is an Automaton Amazing album IMO, I think Sybreed is overlooked in our little scene, they're songs have just as much groove as the other stuff going around, but theyve been doing it for a long time now. More atmosphere than most of the albums coming out this year.
Elitist - Reshape Reason Cant say to much on this album just yet, havent really sat down and listen to it yet. But its definitely got some sick breakdowns.
And speaking of Elitist, their guitarist made a solo album, with a stupid amount of grooving going on. Total awesomeness here. Sean Hall
Also, Tesseract released a single, giving us a taste of what they're up to. It sounds amazing, the vocals are good, but i personally wish they would just give us an instrumental. Either way, nice to hear some new stuff.
The vocals on Tesseract's new single is awesome of course, but the music is so... lazy? Compared to everything else they've done... idk I was kind of disappointed in the instruments in that one D:
I'm just curious, do you guys play any instruments? I feel like a lot of people that like djent type stuff are musicians. haha maybe this is just because bands like Periphery really got their start on sites like sevenstring.org which is obviously for guitar players
Anyways, if you are musicians, have you guys written/recorded anything? Let's hear it if you have! My friend and I have been writing so much random stuff for the past few years that I personally love, but we haven't been able to record any of it properly yet, so all we have is guitarpro files! haha. I can upload them if you guys want to have your minds blown though
Hey guys, im wondering if anyone can help me out, id like to start writing some riffs down, but, dont have a guitar, and no access to my drums at the moment. Im wondering if using something like Guitar Pro will let me get a djent sound, and if i can import drum tracks i could make on superior drummer or something. thx ppl.
Wow, how have I not seen this thread before?! Djent is probably my absolute favorite kind of music.. ^^
Periphery is what actually got me really hooked into the genre but I've branched out into some TesseracT, Meshuggah, The Contortionist etc.. Once you find your inner djentleman you start liking music that you feel violated by when you first start listening to the genre.... ^^
Personal favorite songs is probably.. Hmm. The whole Concealing Fate (mostly Deception and Perfection though) by TesseracT with Jetpacks was yes! (v2.0), Luck as a Constant and Facepalm Mute by Periphery cutting a close second. I'm trying hard to find new djent bands – they're all so damn underground it's hard to find..
about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
On December 13 2012 17:40 rescape wrote: about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
Djent means whatever you want it to mean bra! To me "djent" is the idea of having a song that is heavily influenced by the rhythm, which gives the songs a very groovy feel. On top of that rhythm base you can put whatever you want melodically.
Also, to rebuffering... You can write drums in Guitarpro and it's easy enough to get them in cubase or w/e with superior (was just working on this tonight actually! ) but as far as guitar... guitarpro guitars sound like shit. There is no way to get them sounding realistic and djenty, and believe me I've spent so many hours trying. Guitar Pro definitely has problems with that lower stuff and doesn't deal well with the fast attack/release of djenty music.For reference: https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/skycaptian-take-3 or https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/mr-orange note how the rhythm guitar sounds like complete and utter shit. (going to try and record it on a real guitar soon though thank god)
On December 13 2012 17:40 rescape wrote: about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
Djent means whatever you want it to mean bra! To me "djent" is the idea of having a song that is heavily influenced by the rhythm, which gives the songs a very groovy feel. On top of that rhythm base you can put whatever you want melodically.
Also, to rebuffering... You can write drums in Guitarpro and it's easy enough to get them in cubase or w/e with superior (was just working on this tonight actually! ) but as far as guitar... guitarpro guitars sound like shit. There is no way to get them sounding realistic and djenty, and believe me I've spent so many hours trying. Guitar Pro definitely has problems with that lower stuff and doesn't deal well with the fast attack/release of djenty music.For reference: https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/skycaptian-take-3 or https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/mr-orange note how the rhythm guitar sounds like complete and utter shit. (going to try and record it on a real guitar soon though thank god)
Did you write that song? Sounds awesome. Well, i mean, i like what im hearing, but yeah the "guitar" doesnt really sound right at all. Im seriously thinking of getting a 7-string and finding a way to play through my PC. Using a really cheap 6 string right now tuned to Drop A learning some Volumes stuff. Dont have an amp, may just buy a 1/4 " to USB cable and see what i get done with just that. Having fun learning guitar right now, but really need some distortion to really kick it up a notch.
On December 13 2012 17:40 rescape wrote: about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
Djent means whatever you want it to mean bra! To me "djent" is the idea of having a song that is heavily influenced by the rhythm, which gives the songs a very groovy feel. On top of that rhythm base you can put whatever you want melodically.
Also, to rebuffering... You can write drums in Guitarpro and it's easy enough to get them in cubase or w/e with superior (was just working on this tonight actually! ) but as far as guitar... guitarpro guitars sound like shit. There is no way to get them sounding realistic and djenty, and believe me I've spent so many hours trying. Guitar Pro definitely has problems with that lower stuff and doesn't deal well with the fast attack/release of djenty music.For reference: https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/skycaptian-take-3 or https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/mr-orange note how the rhythm guitar sounds like complete and utter shit. (going to try and record it on a real guitar soon though thank god)
Did you write that song? Sounds awesome. Well, i mean, i like what im hearing, but yeah the "guitar" doesnt really sound right at all. Im seriously thinking of getting a 7-string and finding a way to play through my PC. Using a really cheap 6 string right now tuned to Drop A learning some Volumes stuff. Dont have an amp, may just buy a 1/4 " to USB cable and see what i get done with just that. Having fun learning guitar right now, but really need some distortion to really kick it up a notch.
My friend Chase wrote most of that stuff, I've mostly just been working on production side of things at the moment, but it's what he wants to do so I'm going to teach him how to do all the basics of mixing/mastering so he can be off and running I just help him here and there with general concepts and bass line ideas haha. Anyways, when I record my bass tracks for those songs I'm going to be using my SansAmp RPM plugged straight into my Line-In port. using Asio4all in Cubase it let's me live monitor what i'm playing through my PC speakers with a very limited delay. In cubase I will run the guitar through effects -> amp simulation -> cab simulation to get it to have a real mic'd up sound, even though it's just plugged from the sansamp into the PC. If you want you can invest like $100-150 into an audio interface (USB or Firewire) which you can plug any guitar/mic into and record some good quality stuff on PC. If you want more info on the amp/cab simulation stuff ForTiori does some great tutorials on it here:
he also has great tutorials for the full range of mixing/mastering for every instrument (drums with superior drummer, bass, rhythm and lead guitars, and bits of vocals and then mastering the whole track)
On December 13 2012 17:40 rescape wrote: about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
Djent means whatever you want it to mean bra! To me "djent" is the idea of having a song that is heavily influenced by the rhythm, which gives the songs a very groovy feel. On top of that rhythm base you can put whatever you want melodically.
Also, to rebuffering... You can write drums in Guitarpro and it's easy enough to get them in cubase or w/e with superior (was just working on this tonight actually! ) but as far as guitar... guitarpro guitars sound like shit. There is no way to get them sounding realistic and djenty, and believe me I've spent so many hours trying. Guitar Pro definitely has problems with that lower stuff and doesn't deal well with the fast attack/release of djenty music.For reference: https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/skycaptian-take-3 or https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/mr-orange note how the rhythm guitar sounds like complete and utter shit. (going to try and record it on a real guitar soon though thank god)
Did you write that song? Sounds awesome. Well, i mean, i like what im hearing, but yeah the "guitar" doesnt really sound right at all. Im seriously thinking of getting a 7-string and finding a way to play through my PC. Using a really cheap 6 string right now tuned to Drop A learning some Volumes stuff. Dont have an amp, may just buy a 1/4 " to USB cable and see what i get done with just that. Having fun learning guitar right now, but really need some distortion to really kick it up a notch.
My friend Chase wrote most of that stuff, I've mostly just been working on production side of things at the moment, but it's what he wants to do so I'm going to teach him how to do all the basics of mixing/mastering so he can be off and running I just help him here and there with general concepts and bass line ideas haha. Anyways, when I record my bass tracks for those songs I'm going to be using my SansAmp RPM plugged straight into my Line-In port. using Asio4all in Cubase it let's me live monitor what i'm playing through my PC speakers with a very limited delay. In cubase I will run the guitar through effects -> amp simulation -> cab simulation to get it to have a real mic'd up sound, even though it's just plugged from the sansamp into the PC. If you want you can invest like $100-150 into an audio interface (USB or Firewire) which you can plug any guitar/mic into and record some good quality stuff on PC. If you want more info on the amp/cab simulation stuff ForTiori does some great tutorials on it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZLEQT_fZxw&list=PL26855E6BFEA3AA9A&index=7 he also has great tutorials for the full range of mixing/mastering for every instrument (drums with superior drummer, bass, rhythm and lead guitars, and bits of vocals and then mastering the whole track)
Wow, thx very much for the info. Going to be thinking about this real hard for a week or so, since i might be buying a 7 string, may cost me some decent coin i assume. and if i understand correctly, i will need a guitar, and the audio interface in order to start recording correct? and i assume i can find some programs to help getting the tone right once im plugged in and ready to record. Thx again.
On December 13 2012 17:40 rescape wrote: about the term "djent" (didnt read the whole thread, so maybe its already discussed, then sry and stop reading):
i know people need to categorize things and stuff but i think the op is a little misleading. djent refers actually to a guitar playing technique and not the usage of polyrythms/polymetrics - they have been around in all kind of musical genres. ok, maybe not in pop music, but look at jazz and (modern) classical music and non-western music in general. this is just music theory. and not every band that uses the djent sound uses polyrythms. also not every meshuggah song is in an odd metre. moreover, not every "normal" rock song is in 4/4... just my 2 cents..
Djent means whatever you want it to mean bra! To me "djent" is the idea of having a song that is heavily influenced by the rhythm, which gives the songs a very groovy feel. On top of that rhythm base you can put whatever you want melodically.
Also, to rebuffering... You can write drums in Guitarpro and it's easy enough to get them in cubase or w/e with superior (was just working on this tonight actually! ) but as far as guitar... guitarpro guitars sound like shit. There is no way to get them sounding realistic and djenty, and believe me I've spent so many hours trying. Guitar Pro definitely has problems with that lower stuff and doesn't deal well with the fast attack/release of djenty music.For reference: https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/skycaptian-take-3 or https://soundcloud.com/aikepah/mr-orange note how the rhythm guitar sounds like complete and utter shit. (going to try and record it on a real guitar soon though thank god)
Did you write that song? Sounds awesome. Well, i mean, i like what im hearing, but yeah the "guitar" doesnt really sound right at all. Im seriously thinking of getting a 7-string and finding a way to play through my PC. Using a really cheap 6 string right now tuned to Drop A learning some Volumes stuff. Dont have an amp, may just buy a 1/4 " to USB cable and see what i get done with just that. Having fun learning guitar right now, but really need some distortion to really kick it up a notch.
My friend Chase wrote most of that stuff, I've mostly just been working on production side of things at the moment, but it's what he wants to do so I'm going to teach him how to do all the basics of mixing/mastering so he can be off and running I just help him here and there with general concepts and bass line ideas haha. Anyways, when I record my bass tracks for those songs I'm going to be using my SansAmp RPM plugged straight into my Line-In port. using Asio4all in Cubase it let's me live monitor what i'm playing through my PC speakers with a very limited delay. In cubase I will run the guitar through effects -> amp simulation -> cab simulation to get it to have a real mic'd up sound, even though it's just plugged from the sansamp into the PC. If you want you can invest like $100-150 into an audio interface (USB or Firewire) which you can plug any guitar/mic into and record some good quality stuff on PC. If you want more info on the amp/cab simulation stuff ForTiori does some great tutorials on it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZLEQT_fZxw&list=PL26855E6BFEA3AA9A&index=7 he also has great tutorials for the full range of mixing/mastering for every instrument (drums with superior drummer, bass, rhythm and lead guitars, and bits of vocals and then mastering the whole track)
Wow, thx very much for the info. Going to be thinking about this real hard for a week or so, since i might be buying a 7 string, may cost me some decent coin i assume. and if i understand correctly, i will need a guitar, and the audio interface in order to start recording correct? and i assume i can find some programs to help getting the tone right once im plugged in and ready to record. Thx again.
yea once you have an audio interface of some kind you can do the rest for free. There's free and cheap DAWs you can use (like Reaper $60) or you know you can get them free other places... which I'm personally fine with as long as you are using it for learning and not making money And then if you watch ForTiori's tutorials every plugin he uses are free. So the amp/cap simulations and all the effects and what not.
I want to share a great tune with you guys, by one of my favourite guitarists. Tosin, get 'em fella!
Savage tune.
haha I'm sure anyone who posts in this thread has seen that video. Tosin is quite good. Super amazing live as well. if you ever have a chance to see AAL, DO IT!
Rebuffering, where's this music you're working on? Let's hear it brohan!
Didn't see any Angel Vivaldi in here. He's doesn't tune as low (at least it doesn't sound like) as most djent artists, but he does shred like a beast.
This band doesn't have the low djenty tone, but they have that progressive odd-time style.
Cool instrumental djent band.
I'm also way into structures, northlane and after the burial. Hard to find good djent thats complex and melodic while having a singer thats nice to listen to.
I saw these guys for free at a festival because I was playing on a way way smaller (and colder) stage and I was very impressed with their sound and intensity. However, I was fairly bored after 20 mins. Quite a lot of repetition. My gf loved the bassist (I think)'s hair lol.
Nobody's posted Meshuggah's latest video? A month or so old but if you haven't seen it yet, it's pretty awesome!
I think it demonstrates how much an accompanying video can contribute to the musical experience. I didn't really give much attention to the song until I watched the video for it.
I saw these guys for free at a festival because I was playing on a way way smaller (and colder) stage and I was very impressed with their sound and intensity. However, I was fairly bored after 20 mins. Quite a lot of repetition. My gf loved the bassist (I think)'s hair lol.
I don't know that I'd say there's a lot of repetition, but I definitely understand where you are coming from. April and Eden are 2 of my favorite songs, and I wouldn't say they are repetitive ;D
Thought id post this, been listening to it on repeat for awhile now everyday lol.
From the song page: "The little cover thingy of the MONUMENTS' song Admit Defeat, now streaming in full version!
The idea was to cover the song but instead of using the original minor scales, I went for the major ones because I thought it would be interesting to hear, thus making the song sound completely different from the original version."
Hey guys, wondering if anyone has any thoughts on this guitar im looking at. Its currently about 380$ on Ebay. Seems reasonable, and i don't think I'll need need a 7 string at this point. Any thoughts, or recommendations would be great. Assuming there's people who still know this thread exists!
Djent is the sound the guitar makes the end people have used this sound to make a genre called djent and it is very beautiful. I wish more kids my age would respect it but it's all about that hip hop.
Aaaahhhh. I wish I could share some of the stuff I'm working on! Haha. As soon as we geet a song fully tracked maybe I'll throw up a rough mix to get some thoughts!
Also... omfg I can't stop listening to that Admit Defeat cover! WOW. haha
Rebuffering, did you ever pick up the guitar? :O If so how's the recording coming along? It's a lot of work haha.
Anyways... I just found this https://soundcloud.com/kylease and holy shite it is some good djentlemens music. Pretty excited for new Friend For a Foe, Endur, Periphery, and Sithu Aye. :3
If anyone sees this, what have you been listening to recently? Excited for anything new coming up?
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But yea if you listen to chimp spanner he has a lot more progressive metal sound but he still djents up his songs a bit. It's hard to say djent is a specific genre... to me it seems to be more of a style? idk, it just feels like an idea that can span multiple sub-genres in metal music. It just needs a big focus on percussive sound, but can still allow for melodic parts over the top of the percussive/rhythmic parts. I would consider tesseract, chimp spanner, periphery, meshuggah, and the human abstract as djent bands, but they are all quite different from each other.
