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Cuddle
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden1345 Posts
December 20 2011 12:22 GMT
#141
So, I've read the first book and felt that the story kind of ended. Much like the WoT series should have ended after book 3 (I think it is). I'm afraid to spoil anything by reading this thread, but is it worth picking up the rest of the books? Do they continue in the same fashion as the first and is there a larger story spanning all books or are they more or less stand alone (like I think the first one is, the main story of the book ends in the first book)?
h41fgod
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden377 Posts
December 20 2011 12:26 GMT
#142
Cuddle. The first book is good. But the story does not end there. It has barely begun. The series does not end with the minor skirmishes in Gardens of the Moon. Yes. Minor.
The second book is also a lot better on the first read through than any other book, ever.

TL;DR: You HAVE to read more.
Ketch
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands7285 Posts
December 20 2011 12:35 GMT
#143
On December 20 2011 21:22 Cuddle wrote:
So, I've read the first book and felt that the story kind of ended. Much like the WoT series should have ended after book 3 (I think it is). I'm afraid to spoil anything by reading this thread, but is it worth picking up the rest of the books? Do they continue in the same fashion as the first and is there a larger story spanning all books or are they more or less stand alone (like I think the first one is, the main story of the book ends in the first book)?


If you think things are all finished, well, that's definitely not so. Many characters will return throughout the books as well, but each book describes diferrent events usually, so those events end.

Btw, Omg, my favorite series ever! I am still waiting for the Mass Market Paperback for the last book, as I don't want one big book and 9 small books on my bookshelf.
Rimstalker
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany734 Posts
December 20 2011 12:36 GMT
#144
some later parts actually made me weep. and then you have the one book with Bugg and Tehol in Letheras, which is hilarious for the most part.
Here be Dragons
potchip
Profile Joined October 2004
Australia260 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-01-16 07:24:05
January 16 2012 07:19 GMT
#145
Finally got a hold of the last book. If this was vol 5ish, I would've got hold of it immediately after release. Unfortunately the latter volumes, 6-9 were quite disappointing, with 9 a practical write-off. I actually started the series on vol 3 - in hindsight a high point and got through fine, in fact rather enjoyed the parts where you have to figure things out and re-read. However once I became familiar with the world itself, the flaw's in Erikson's writing starts to rear its head. Too many characters become stereotypes that just carries on and on. Even his word play on character names starts to get old. Trying to out do each previous book with a bigger (in the physical sense) convergence and climax actually ended with less emotional impact. I face palmed throughout the last part of vol 9, with dozens of sky keep unable to match the emotions involved in a single moonspawn.
Premier
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States503 Posts
April 16 2012 01:08 GMT
#146
Hope I don't get in trouble for bumping this thread, but I finally finished the last book... and what an amazing end.

I started the series about 7-8 years ago and constantly re-read the series every time a new book came out and finally got around to re-reading the series for the last novel... fantastic!!!
If anyone is interested in the fantasy genre... please check this series out, it is so amazing.

Shoutout to my two favorite characters in any fantasy novel, Tehol Beddict and Bugg, the two funniest characters of all time.

Picture Me Rollin' - DJ Premier, Titan of the Tables
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 16 2012 01:50 GMT
#147
On April 16 2012 10:08 Premier wrote:
Hope I don't get in trouble for bumping this thread, but I finally finished the last book... and what an amazing end.

I started the series about 7-8 years ago and constantly re-read the series every time a new book came out and finally got around to re-reading the series for the last novel... fantastic!!!
If anyone is interested in the fantasy genre... please check this series out, it is so amazing.

Shoutout to my two favorite characters in any fantasy novel, Tehol Beddict and Bugg, the two funniest characters of all time.



You're not done yet! Ian C. Esslemont's complementary series is currently four books in and theres more to come. I would definitely suggest reading it, Esslemenot's series provides some good back story on characters from Erickson's series. Particularly, you learn more about Traveler and how bad ass he is. You also get to learn about the Crimson Guard, which was always an enigma is Erickson's series.

Tehol and Bugg were probably my two favorite characters for comedic relief, but there are too many other great characters in the Malazan universe for me to call Bugg and Tehol my favorites. Anomander, Karsa, Kallor, Dassem, TCG, Rhulad, Trull.... the list goes on. Iktovian's pretty cool too I suppose ^_^; though I liked his roll in the third book a lot more than his roll in the 8th book.
=)=
Premier
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States503 Posts
April 16 2012 02:06 GMT
#148
Yeah Karsa is also great, I love Quick Ben and most of the Malazan Marines, though I'll be sure to check out Esslemont's novels! Thanks!
Picture Me Rollin' - DJ Premier, Titan of the Tables
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 16 2012 02:16 GMT
#149
On April 16 2012 11:06 Premier wrote:
Yeah Karsa is also great, I love Quick Ben and most of the Malazan Marines, though I'll be sure to check out Esslemont's novels! Thanks!


Ya, I really liked the Bridgeburners. But by the ninth and tenth books there were too many damn marines! Sooo many names in the Bonehunter army that I never got around too learning, haha. And in those last books, it would keep jumping from one marine to another it got kind of disorienting. I would have rather Erickson stayed focused on a core group of marines, instead of branching out so far into the Bonehunters. I felt like he was trying to tell me about everyone in the army and it just became too overwhelming.

Esslemont's first novel is really short, you'll probably blaze through it. I'm almost done with his second one now, "Return of the Crimson Guard". It feels a lot more fleshed out and very similiar to Erickson's style.
=)=
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
April 16 2012 08:05 GMT
#150
Sounds very cool.

Will be reading this after finals. :O
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ElanMT
Profile Joined September 2010
Netherlands87 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 08:48:30
April 16 2012 08:48 GMT
#151
And later this year SE himself will put out a new book, Forge of Darkness, first book in the Kharkanas trilogy which will cover the Tiste Andii in the days of old really looking forward to that.

This really is my favorite series of all time, like you I reread everything when a new one was about to be published, and did a lot of rereading in between as well - around Midnight Tides there was a period of about a year and a half where I solely read Malazan books, so much to discover on rereads and so much epic moments that are just awesome to relive again and again :D
I also think it's very impressive that SE actually manages to write them at the pace he does, roughly one every year, and they're not the smallest ones around either!
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 16 2012 17:55 GMT
#152
On April 16 2012 17:48 ElanMT wrote:
And later this year SE himself will put out a new book, Forge of Darkness, first book in the Kharkanas trilogy which will cover the Tiste Andii in the days of old really looking forward to that.

This really is my favorite series of all time, like you I reread everything when a new one was about to be published, and did a lot of rereading in between as well - around Midnight Tides there was a period of about a year and a half where I solely read Malazan books, so much to discover on rereads and so much epic moments that are just awesome to relive again and again :D
I also think it's very impressive that SE actually manages to write them at the pace he does, roughly one every year, and they're not the smallest ones around either!


Oh, nice! I didn't realize it would be out so soon, it looks like its coming out in august. I always liked the ancient history parts in his series where they talked about Rake, Osric, Draconus, etc. Probably one of my favorite aspects of Erickson's series is how immersive and illustrious the history of the world is. It gives the malazan universe such a large and rich scope, it reminds me of the feeling of Tolkien's universe and the Silmarilion.
=)=
Xardean
Profile Joined May 2010
United States104 Posts
April 16 2012 18:17 GMT
#153
On April 17 2012 02:55 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2012 17:48 ElanMT wrote:
And later this year SE himself will put out a new book, Forge of Darkness, first book in the Kharkanas trilogy which will cover the Tiste Andii in the days of old really looking forward to that.

This really is my favorite series of all time, like you I reread everything when a new one was about to be published, and did a lot of rereading in between as well - around Midnight Tides there was a period of about a year and a half where I solely read Malazan books, so much to discover on rereads and so much epic moments that are just awesome to relive again and again :D
I also think it's very impressive that SE actually manages to write them at the pace he does, roughly one every year, and they're not the smallest ones around either!


Oh, nice! I didn't realize it would be out so soon, it looks like its coming out in august. I always liked the ancient history parts in his series where they talked about Rake, Osric, Draconus, etc. Probably one of my favorite aspects of Erickson's series is how immersive and illustrious the history of the world is. It gives the malazan universe such a large and rich scope, it reminds me of the feeling of Tolkien's universe and the Silmarilion.


This is by far my favorite part of Eriksons writing. The depth of his universe is so well formulated and thought out. Throughout the series he does an excellent job of pacing how much he reveals about the universe as well, letting the reader experience it for themselves without having it all laid out for them. This quality of his writing gives him such a different feel from other authors I have read and these books will always hold a special place in my heart because of that.

I feel though that this stark contrast between how he tells a story and how more popular authors do is a hindrance to his popularity. I have tried for years to get my friends interested in these books but most people just can't get past the first one. I don't have anyone to nerd out with
fire_brand
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Canada1123 Posts
April 16 2012 19:37 GMT
#154
Honestly the last book was kind disappointing. I mean, don't get me wrong the plot and convergence was very good, and its the same addictive style that he usually writes in. It was very exciting.

The main issues I have is the huge amount of open ended threads he left. A lot of the characters he's introduced and developed stories for just kind of disappeared, leaving their stories unfinished. It felt like he just had too many threads that he just kind of lost track of a lot of them. Sometimes there's just a little too much going on in his books and seems like he doesn't even know where he's going with it. I just wish those few threads were wrapped up.

Nevertheless good book.
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Xardean
Profile Joined May 2010
United States104 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-16 20:06:34
April 16 2012 19:59 GMT
#155
On April 17 2012 04:37 fire_brand wrote:
Honestly the last book was kind disappointing. I mean, don't get me wrong the plot and convergence was very good, and its the same addictive style that he usually writes in. It was very exciting.

The main issues I have is the huge amount of open ended threads he left. A lot of the characters he's introduced and developed stories for just kind of disappeared, leaving their stories unfinished. It felt like he just had too many threads that he just kind of lost track of a lot of them. Sometimes there's just a little too much going on in his books and seems like he doesn't even know where he's going with it. I just wish those few threads were wrapped up.

Nevertheless good book.


From what I gather part of the reason the first book is like that is because it was originally intended to be a movie script, or written like a play. That's why a lot of the characters are introduced in that fashion and also why the book has a different tempo than the rest of the series. The whole circle breaker plot line felt very indicative of this.

I can't seem to find that interview anywhere though my google-fu is lacking these days.

Edit:
Nvm, here is the interview I am probably thinking of.
http://encyclopediamalazica.pbworks.com/w/page/18882225/Science Fiction Book Club Interview
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Q. I read that you originally developed the Malazan world with Ian Cameron Esslemont as a role-playing game. What made you decide to put it into a novel?

STEVEN ERIKSON:
A: There were probably a number of incentives at work. First off, we were creating games that reflected what we wanted to see in fantasy fiction, but with a few exceptions we weren’t finding it (Glen Cook’s Black Company series and his Dread Empire stuff were notable exceptions). At the same time, both Cam and I were in a writing program at the University of Victoria, which each of us would continue on into Master’s degrees, me at Iowa and Cam in Alaska, so we were both writing fiction. At some point, we began co-writing feature film (FF) scripts, and one of those formed the core of Gardens of the Moon. Shortly thereafter, as our interest in fiction writing developed, it was obvious that, ultimately, so much of what we gamed was already intrinsically novelistic, in structure and narrative (the spell-check just went "huh?" with "novelistic" but I’ll keep it anyway), and the transition seemed obvious. My adaptation of the FF script of Gardens forced an expansion of the basic story (the film occurred entirely in Darujhistan) and the introduction of innumerable new characters and sub-plots. While we’re good at co-writing scripts, we decided at the very beginning that for novels we would tackle those individually. And that is what we have done.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
April 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#156
On April 17 2012 03:17 Xardean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 17 2012 02:55 itkovian wrote:
On April 16 2012 17:48 ElanMT wrote:
And later this year SE himself will put out a new book, Forge of Darkness, first book in the Kharkanas trilogy which will cover the Tiste Andii in the days of old really looking forward to that.

This really is my favorite series of all time, like you I reread everything when a new one was about to be published, and did a lot of rereading in between as well - around Midnight Tides there was a period of about a year and a half where I solely read Malazan books, so much to discover on rereads and so much epic moments that are just awesome to relive again and again :D
I also think it's very impressive that SE actually manages to write them at the pace he does, roughly one every year, and they're not the smallest ones around either!


Oh, nice! I didn't realize it would be out so soon, it looks like its coming out in august. I always liked the ancient history parts in his series where they talked about Rake, Osric, Draconus, etc. Probably one of my favorite aspects of Erickson's series is how immersive and illustrious the history of the world is. It gives the malazan universe such a large and rich scope, it reminds me of the feeling of Tolkien's universe and the Silmarilion.


This is by far my favorite part of Eriksons writing. The depth of his universe is so well formulated and thought out. Throughout the series he does an excellent job of pacing how much he reveals about the universe as well, letting the reader experience it for themselves without having it all laid out for them. This quality of his writing gives him such a different feel from other authors I have read and these books will always hold a special place in my heart because of that.

I feel though that this stark contrast between how he tells a story and how more popular authors do is a hindrance to his popularity. I have tried for years to get my friends interested in these books but most people just can't get past the first one. I don't have anyone to nerd out with


Ya, I haven't had any success getting my friends to read it either. I got my brother to read half way through the first one. He liked it, but it was too slow-moving for him. And a bibliophile friend of mine has had it on their shelf for years, unread, even though I keep pestering them to start it lol. I think its just too dense and too intimidating for most people. Erickson's style is really methodical and broad. There are so many characters covered it become tedious too keep track of, and sometimes your favorite characters aren't seen for chapters. Or even whole books...

On April 17 2012 04:37 fire_brand wrote:
Honestly the last book was kind disappointing. I mean, don't get me wrong the plot and convergence was very good, and its the same addictive style that he usually writes in. It was very exciting.

The main issues I have is the huge amount of open ended threads he left. A lot of the characters he's introduced and developed stories for just kind of disappeared, leaving their stories unfinished. It felt like he just had too many threads that he just kind of lost track of a lot of them. Sometimes there's just a little too much going on in his books and seems like he doesn't even know where he's going with it. I just wish those few threads were wrapped up.

Nevertheless good book.


That was exactly how I felt. When I read the "dramatis personae" at the beginning of book 10 I couldn't help but have a wtf feeling. Some of my favorite characters weren't even mentioned. Thats why, after I finished the ninth, I didn't get around to reading the 10th untill half a year later, even though I had it in my possession. I just wasn't very motivated to read it when some of my favorite story arcs weren't even important to the conclusion. But I think Erickson plans on addressing a lot of those characters in his forthcoming books. I know he's gonna have a Toblakai series, which I'll be greatly anticipating. And Ian C. Esslemont's works also plan on tying up some threads, from what I've heard.
=)=
OkStyX
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
Canada1199 Posts
April 16 2012 22:58 GMT
#157

These books are the best. I like them since they are a stark contrast to the game of thrones lots of magic creatures demons etc.
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soullogik
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1171 Posts
April 17 2012 01:40 GMT
#158
currently on reapers gale

prob my favorite series of all time

so many epic characters

gonna be sad when it ends
young ho
Golgotha
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Korea (South)8418 Posts
April 17 2012 02:26 GMT
#159
sounds very interesting. ty
EAGER-beaver
Profile Joined March 2004
Canada2799 Posts
April 17 2012 03:28 GMT
#160
I've been at the end of the 3rd book forever, I just can't finish it. Dreadfully boring, can't grow attached to any of the characters, the plot is so incredibly loose, dozens and dozens of characters come and go and plot threads just dangle and disappear (what about the historian at the end of book 2, or anythign from book 2 really, book 3 picked up in almost the middle of fucking nowhere), in the end I just end up not caring about any of them. I never get that, "gee, i wonder what's gonna happen? next page turner feeling", whether that's from the character overload or the seemingly random plot devices from over use of magic that randomly turns the world upside. Half the fun is a little foreshadowing, or at least some sort of basic rules as to what to expect, the randomness just makes me not give a shit since anything can happen at any time.
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