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jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
May 24 2012 17:46 GMT
#181
finished my first readthrough of all 10 erikson books a few months ago.

Just started my second readthrough recently. Almost done with deadhouse gates.

I love this series. Best series I've ever read.

Karsa Orlong is my favorite character. I can't wait for the Toblakai trilogy. WITNESS!!!
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
May 24 2012 17:56 GMT
#182
On May 25 2012 02:46 jj33 wrote:
finished my first readthrough of all 10 erikson books a few months ago.

Just started my second readthrough recently. Almost done with deadhouse gates.

I love this series. Best series I've ever read.

Karsa Orlong is my favorite character. I can't wait for the Toblakai trilogy. WITNESS!!!


Yeah, Karsa really grew on me. + Show Spoiler +
I almost didn't read the tenth book when I saw him, and a few other characters, weren't in the dramatis personae. But then I was excited when I found out he was getting his own trilogy.
=)=
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
May 24 2012 19:14 GMT
#183
Intrigued by some of the stuff mentioned in here, particularly the idea of pantheons of gods in conflict with each other. However I wonder how valid the criticism is since most of it seems to derive from a comparison with Martin. Both of them seem to have entirely different goals in mind as they were writing their series.
WriterWovon man nicht sprechen kann, darüber muß man schweigen.
jj33
Profile Joined April 2011
802 Posts
May 24 2012 19:27 GMT
#184
On May 03 2012 21:23 {ToT}ColmA wrote:
just saw this thread, i am reading the first book (gardens of the moon) and sometimes i feel like its super complex and really tough to understand for non native english speaking person, i am only reading stuff in english so i bought it in english and with books from martin (song of ice and fire series for example) i didnt ve any problems :3

seems like there are a lot of personalities getting thrown in and stuff...like i am on page 260 or something and there are like so many charakters already i fear i ve a hard time remembering all of them :D



I will tell you this, I am enjoying my second readthrough even more than my first. Now that I'm very aware of all the characters and the story, I am catching so many more details in my current read than my first.

It definitely can get confusing and convoluted with all the characters, but it all comes together.

Also, Gardens of the Moon to me is like one giant prologue.
tronix
Profile Joined November 2010
United States95 Posts
May 29 2012 21:44 GMT
#185
Alright so I am an avid fantasy book enthusiast but have always neglected Erickson's works.

I am mid way through Gardens of the Moon. I can really respect the depth of the lore; especially the scope of character plots and intrigues. I can see some similarities of Greek/Roman mythology.

My only question is: Does the series coalesce into a straight plot with main protagonists and antagonists? Or is it a series of perspectives on Malazan's history; with the readers retro-historical outlook as the tying bond between stories?
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
May 30 2012 06:11 GMT
#186
On May 30 2012 06:44 tronix wrote:
Alright so I am an avid fantasy book enthusiast but have always neglected Erickson's works.

I am mid way through Gardens of the Moon. I can really respect the depth of the lore; especially the scope of character plots and intrigues. I can see some similarities of Greek/Roman mythology.

My only question is: Does the series coalesce into a straight plot with main protagonists and antagonists? Or is it a series of perspectives on Malazan's history; with the readers retro-historical outlook as the tying bond between stories?


Ehhh. A little of both. Most of it converges at the end. But some story lines won't get as much justice as you may feel they deserve. It gets to the point where theres just SO many plotlines and characters that he can't reasonably end them all together. Keep in mind though, there is more writing besides the main ten-book series. His co-creator has four books out now. And Erickson also plans on writing two other trilogies at least.

So yes, the main series does converge into one general ending. But, not all the storylines/characters are heavily involved in the conclusion.
=)=
exog
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway279 Posts
May 30 2012 06:37 GMT
#187
Just started on Gardens of the moon. Wow, a lot of names and titles. And these "Warrens" whatever the hell they are... Hard to imagine while reading... And then the stuff about gods and satan... and Tiiste Andi, are they a group or a guy... Quite confusing yeah.
Haydin
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1481 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 06:57:49
May 30 2012 06:51 GMT
#188
In one of the books, two characters have a climactic battle. When they clash, the moon litterally explodes. Note that this is not from a shockwave, or from some magic power or something. The sheer event of them crossing blades has such an impact on reality that the moon just blows right the fuck up. At the same time, two other characters are having their own epic showdown trying to coax their uncooperative mounts, a pair of mules, to charge into battle against each other. If you are interested, the mule scene is typed out and spoilered below:

+ Show Spoiler +
Iskaral Pust rode like a madman. Unfortunately, the mule beneath him and decided that a plodding walk would suffice, making the two of them a most incongruous pair. The high priest flung himself back and forth, pitched from side to side. His feet kicked high, toes skyward, then lashed back down. Heels pounded insensate flanks in a thumping drum-roll entirely devoid of rythem. Reins flailed about but the mule had chewed trough the bit and so the reins were attached to nothing but two mangled stumps that seemed determined to batter Pust senseless.

He tossed about as if riding a goaded bull. Spraying sweat, lips pulled back in a savage grimace, the whites visible round his bugged-out eyes.

The mule, why, the mule walked. Clump clump (pause) clump (pause) clump clump. And so on.

Swirling just above Iskaral Pust's head, and acrobatically avoiding the bit-ends, flapped the squall of bhokarala. Like oversized gnats, and how that mule's tail whiped back and forth! She sought to swat them away, but in spirit of gnat-hood the bhokarala did not relent, so eager were they to claim the very next plop of dung wending its way out beneath that tail. Over which they'd fight tooth, talon and claw.

Swarming in mule and rider's wake was a river of spiders, flowing glittering black over the cobbles.

At one point three white hounds tramped across the street not twenty paces distant. A trio of immensely ugly heads swung to regard mule and rider. And to show that it meant business, the mule propped up its ears. Clump clump (pause) clump clump clump.

The hounds moved on.

It does no good to molest a mule.

Alas, as Iskaral Pust and his placid mount were moments from discovering, there were indeed forces in the world that could confound both.

And here then, at last, arrives the shining, blazing, astonishing nexus, the penultimate pinnacle of this profound night, as bold Kruppe nudges his ferocious war-mule into the path of one Iskaral Pust, mule, and sundry spiders and bhokarala.

Mule sees mule. Both halt with a bare fifteen paces between them, ears at bristling attention.

Rider sees rider. Magus grows dangerously still, eyes hooded. Kruppe waves one plump hand in greeting.

Bhokarala launch a mid-air conference that results in one beast landing awkwardly on the cobbles to the left of the High Priest, whilst the others find window sills, projections, and the heads of handsome gargoyles on which to perch, chests heaving and tounges lolling.

The spiders run away.

Thus, the tableau is set.

'Out of my way!' screeched Iskaral Pust. 'Who is this fool and how dare he fool wth me? I'll gnash him! I'll crush him down. I'll feint right and dodge left and we'll be by in a flash! Look at that pathetic mule - he'll never catch us! I got a sword to claim. Mine, yes, mine! And then won't Shadowthrone grovel and simper! Iskaral Pust, High priest of Dragnipur! Most feared swordsman in ten thousand worlds! And if you think you've seen justice at its most fickle, you just wait!' He then leaned foreward and smiled. 'Kind sir, could you kindly move yourself and your yon beast to one side? I must keep an appointment, you understand. Hastily, in fact.' Then he hissed, 'Go climb up your own arse, you redvested ball of lard that someone rolled across a forest floor! Go! Scat!'

'Most confounding indeed,' Kruppe replied with his most beatific smile. 'It seems we are in discord, in tat you seek to proceed in a direction that will inevitably colide with none other then Kruppe, the Eel of Darujhistan. Poor priest, it us late. Does your god know where you are?'

'Eel? Kruppe? Collide? Fat and idiot besides, what a dastardly combination, and on this of all nights! Listen, take another street. If I run into this Crappy Eel I'll be sure to let him know you're looking for him. It's the least I can do.'

'Hardly, but no matter. I am Kruppe the Crappy Eel, alas.'

'So fine, we've run into each other. Glad that's over with. Now let me pass!'

'Kruppe regrets that any and every path you may seek shall be impeded by none other then Kruppe himself. Unless, of course, you conclude that what you seek is not worth the effort, nor the grief certain to follow, and so wisely return to thy shadowy temple.'

'You don't know what I want so it's none of your damned buisness what I want!'

'Misapprehensions abound, but wait, does this slavering fool even understand?'

'What? I wasn't supposed to hear that? But I did! I did, you fat idiot!'

'He only thought he heard. Kind priest, Kruppe assures you, you did not hear but mishear. Kind priest? Why, Kruppe is too generous, too forgiving by far, and hear hear! Or is it here here? No matter, it's not as if this grinning toad will understand. Why, his mule's got a sharper look in its eye then he has. Now, kindly priest, it's late and you should be in bd, yes? Abjectly alone, no doubt. Hmm?'

Iskaral Pust stared. He gaped. His eyes darted, alighting on the bhorkaral squatting on the cobbles beside him as it made staring, gaping, darting expressions. 'My worshippers! Of course! You! Yes, you! Gather your kin and attack the fat fool! Attack! Your god commands you! Attack!'

'Mlawhlaoblossblayowblagnilebbinggoblaiblblafblablallblayarblablabnablahblallblah!'

'What?'

'Bla?'

'Bla?'

'Yarb?'

'Bah! You're stuiped and useless and ugly!'

'Blabluablabablahllalalabala, too!'

Iskaral Pust scowled at it.

The bhokaral scowled at it.

'Rat Poison!' Pust hissed. And then smiled.

The bhokaral offered him a dung sausage. And then smiled.
*
Oh, so much for reasoned negotiation.

Iskaral Pust's warbling battle cry was somewhat strangled as he leaned foreward, perched high in the stirrups, hands reaching like a raptor's talons, and the mule reluctantly stumped foreward.

Kruppe watched this agozizingly slow charge. He sighed. 'Really now. It comes to this? So be it.' And he kicked his war-mule into motion.

The beasts closed, step by step. By step.

Iskaral Pust clawed the air, weaving and pitching, head bobbing. Overhead, the bhokarala screamed and flew in frenzied circles. The High Priest's mule flicked its tail.

Kruppe's war-mule edged to the right. Pust's beast angled to its right. Their hands came alongside, and then thier shoulders. Whereupon they halted.

Snarling and spitting, Iskaral Pust launched himsef at Kruppe, who grunted a sprised oof! Fsts flew, thumbs jabbed, jaws snapped - the High Priest's crazed attack - and the Eel threw up his forearms to fend it off, only to inadvertently punch Pust in the nose with one pudgy hand. Head rocked back, a stunned gasp. Attack renewed.

They grappeled. They toppled, thumping on to the cobbles in a flurry of limbs.

The bhokarala joined in, diving from above with screeches and snarls, swarming the two combatants before beginning to fight with each other. Fists flying, thumbs jabbing, jaws snapping. Spiders swept in from all sides, tiny fangs nipping everything in sight.

The entire mass writhed and seethed.

The two mules walked a short distance away, then turned in unison to watch the proceesings.


Why are you still reading this post? Go start reading this series NOW.

EDIT: And my favorite character? Man, that's tough. Probably a tossup between Kallor, Karsa, and Cotillion.
aka ilovesharkpeople
lac29
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1485 Posts
May 30 2012 06:58 GMT
#189
This is very very helpful if you are starting to read the series, which I am:

http://www.tor.com/blogs/2010/07/the-malazan-re-read-of-the-fallen-gardens-of-the-moon-part-1
Asol
Profile Joined December 2011
Sweden109 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-05-30 10:41:23
May 30 2012 10:41 GMT
#190
I love the philosophical aspect of the books. My favorite characters are easily + Show Spoiler +
Udinaas, Tehol, Iskaral Pust, the jaghut warrior army (with Hood ofc) =)


But there are also other _awesome_ quotes from this book. So many absolutely hilarious moments, some so incredible they hardly make sense which is an irony onto itself etc, you could keep on spinning the thoughts forever :D The epic revelations you get later on etc are also great.. ahh I love these books.

Also I have a question for you dedicated fans :-) It's from the last book, so unless you've managed to finish the series don't for the love of god click on this spoiler.

+ Show Spoiler +
My question is regarding Sandalath, Tulas Shorn, Andarist and Korlat.
I get it: Sandalath was raped by someone (WHO?) and she had Korlat. Tulas Shorn was murdered by Anomander (most likely) to protect a secret. Andarist was crushed by the loss (of what happened to Sandalath or just the whole conflict with mother dark etc). Are these related? Surely they have to be - yet I can't put the pieces together. Who raped her and who is then Korlats father and how is this related to Andarist and that man (sorry I can't remember his name) who died inside Draconus sword after creating a god to kill Anomander. Any help is appreciated.


Thanks for any help, this has been clawing at me for far too long.



+ Show Spoiler +
Who do we fight against?
Everyone
No wonder we're losing
Quote what?
GenghisKhan
Profile Joined May 2012
United Kingdom68 Posts
May 30 2012 10:50 GMT
#191
This is genuinely my favourite series, although I wouldn't say the best i've ever read. But as said above I really enjoy the philosophical sides to the books, and also just the sheer epic feel of every book; the feel of how the reader has been dropped into a world rich with history and mystery. Oh, and the wonderful characterisation (in my opinion).
Yes, Gardens of the Moon can be a little confusing to start with, but for anyone reading this to decide whether to give it a go, please soldier on... remember that your 'slog' through the series is nothing compared to the slogs within the series.
The problem with the world is that fools are full of certainty, and wise men are full of doubt.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
May 30 2012 10:51 GMT
#192
I really like how you follow Toc the Younger throughout the books ... I think that he may be my favorite in the series.
aebriol
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway2066 Posts
May 30 2012 10:53 GMT
#193
On May 30 2012 06:44 tronix wrote:
My only question is: Does the series coalesce into a straight plot with main protagonists and antagonists? Or is it a series of perspectives on Malazan's history; with the readers retro-historical outlook as the tying bond between stories?

Personally I would say yes it does.

There are 3 main storylines that converges in the last three books.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
June 24 2012 17:43 GMT
#194
Just finished Orb Sceptre Throne. It was fun to be back in Darujhistan, though the city didn't have quite the same feeling because a significant few of its old inhabitants were gone. Kruppe is always entertaining enough though.

Now, finally, I can saw I'm all caught up in the Malazan universe. Only took me three years of off and on reading to reach this point... I'll probably wait til the Kharkanas trilogy is finished and published before I pick up any Malazan books again. Esslemont may have concluded his series as well by then.

This is a strange feeling... I seriously have not read another novel in the past few years besides Malazan books. It will be nice to take a break.... I think I'll read some literary classics for a month or two (the prospect of reading a short 200-300 page book is so exciting!) and then maybe I'll read the Hunger Games or reread and get caught up in ASOIAF.

I hope I don't forget everything about the Malazan universe in the interim between when I read them next.... but I probably will. There's so much to remember >=(
=)=
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
June 24 2012 19:04 GMT
#195
Gonna contribute to this thread cause Im in the middle of reading the series...just finished the second book (Deadhouse Gates) and the series is fkn awesome. Would definetly recommend to any fan of fantasy. Like people have said the story is quite difficult to follow at times but pays off in the end. First book especially was confusing as hell at times -_-. Only thing I'm weary of is new characters being introduced every book. I'm hoping this is just for the first few books to introduce the main storylines and then have them play out through the series? Someone enlighten me. It was a bit of a downer to have basically a whole new cast from the first book to the second although the book ended up being a lot better than the first anyway lol. The chain of dogs storyline was easily one of the greatest things I ever read..Coltaine ftw
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
June 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#196
On June 25 2012 04:04 antelope591 wrote:
Gonna contribute to this thread cause Im in the middle of reading the series...just finished the second book (Deadhouse Gates) and the series is fkn awesome. Would definetly recommend to any fan of fantasy. Like people have said the story is quite difficult to follow at times but pays off in the end. First book especially was confusing as hell at times -_-. Only thing I'm weary of is new characters being introduced every book. I'm hoping this is just for the first few books to introduce the main storylines and then have them play out through the series? Someone enlighten me. It was a bit of a downer to have basically a whole new cast from the first book to the second although the book ended up being a lot better than the first anyway lol. The chain of dogs storyline was easily one of the greatest things I ever read..Coltaine ftw


Every book is going to have a significant amount of new characters present, but each book varies the amount of new characters introduced.

The third book will have a lot of returning characters. The fourth will as well, but the first part of it puts heavy focus on a new character. The fifth book has a entire new cast of characters, because its on another continent. The rest after that have a majority of returning characters if I remember right. But yeah, as you said, they all are meant to tie in at the end.
=)=
haduken
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Australia8267 Posts
June 25 2012 00:42 GMT
#197
Tried this book, but I couldn't understand wtf is going on so far.... just feels like random places and characters that gets thrown in to set up for something big later on. So far very confusing.
Rillanon.au
Critter
Profile Joined January 2011
United States196 Posts
June 25 2012 01:52 GMT
#198
On June 25 2012 09:42 haduken wrote:
Tried this book, but I couldn't understand wtf is going on so far.... just feels like random places and characters that gets thrown in to set up for something big later on. So far very confusing.


That's pretty much par for the course since with the Malazan series you aren't jumping into the beginning of a story, you're jumping into part of a world history. I'm at the point now where I just tell people to start with Deadhouse Gates (my favorite book, and I feel it's a better standalone introduction to the series). Love the series, but it's really hard to get casual readers into it, which all of my friends are.
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
June 25 2012 12:11 GMT
#199
On June 25 2012 09:42 haduken wrote:
Tried this book, but I couldn't understand wtf is going on so far.... just feels like random places and characters that gets thrown in to set up for something big later on. So far very confusing.

Me too, like ~250 pages in the first book and still no idea wtf is going on
Yuljan
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
2196 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-25 15:31:17
June 25 2012 15:30 GMT
#200
Tried really had to love this series but I just hate the writing style... Im reading the 5th book now and I have no motivation to continue. I liked Karsa Orlong and his journey but I have a hard time caring about any other character. I am not even a picky reader. I love almost any fantasy book but malazan somehow bores me.
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