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Malinor
Profile Joined November 2008
Germany4732 Posts
January 03 2013 13:18 GMT
#321
I really want to read Forge of Darkness right now. But I have sooo many books to get through at the moment. Just started the second book of A Song of Ice and Fire (and want to finish the third book when the next season of Game of Thrones hits), got the Mistborn trilogy for christmas. Haven't read any of Esslemont's books, but Knight of Knives is also waiting. And then the sixth book of Joe Abercrombie is also out.
That is a lot of books, don't know when I'll actually get to it

Reading through the series was one of the most entertaining experiences of my life (First part of my signature is out of Midnight Tides).
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J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
January 03 2013 13:19 GMT
#322
On January 03 2013 03:07 LaSt)ChAnCe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 03:02 Skilledblob wrote:
you feel like it's used too often because you are looking for it

only after seeing it used so many times.. seriously!

Ochre moccasins.
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
January 03 2013 13:38 GMT
#323
On January 03 2013 22:16 Nisyax wrote:
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On January 03 2013 21:54 adiga wrote:
What's the reading order recommended by you guys? I started reading Gardens of the Moon and today I stumbled at a side saying it's the 6th book by chronological order. So I was wondering if I have done a mistake by starting from Gardens? What TL has to say about it? Read it by the published order or chronological order?

Thanks!


It's not the 6th book in chronological order if you look at the "big series". It would be the 2nd with only Midnight Tides being earlier (and some little fragments here and there like prologues etc.). Just read them as it's intended, so: Gardens -> Deadhouse Gates -> Memories of Ice -> House of Chains -> Midnight Tides -> Bonehunters -> Reapers Gale -> Toll the Hounds -> Dust of Dreams -> Crippled God

Some say read the second book before the first one. I wouldn't, it spoils too much in my opinion.

The book that list as earlier on chronological order are not part of the greater story and are pretty much stand alones / background stories (or novellas).


It will be confusing no matter which way you read it. The way the books are written is not really linear anyway, he loves to intoduce a character very early, give no explanation at all and then later on, sometimes 1-2 books after, give his background and he turns to be a pretty important character. There are plenty of situations where you feel like going back and reading a conversation that happened a long time ago because some new information is introduced.

I'm just on the 6th book, Bonehunters, but it really feels like a series that you really take advantage of a second reading, there's just so much information. I also agree that starting with Gardens of the Moon is the way to do it. I didn't think it was that far behind some of the other books in quality and, like Eriksson says in the introduction, it will be a rough start anyway.
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 13:46:34
January 03 2013 13:45 GMT
#324
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 22:16 Nisyax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 21:54 adiga wrote:
What's the reading order recommended by you guys? I started reading Gardens of the Moon and today I stumbled at a side saying it's the 6th book by chronological order. So I was wondering if I have done a mistake by starting from Gardens? What TL has to say about it? Read it by the published order or chronological order?

Thanks!


It's not the 6th book in chronological order if you look at the "big series". It would be the 2nd with only Midnight Tides being earlier (and some little fragments here and there like prologues etc.). Just read them as it's intended, so: Gardens -> Deadhouse Gates -> Memories of Ice -> House of Chains -> Midnight Tides -> Bonehunters -> Reapers Gale -> Toll the Hounds -> Dust of Dreams -> Crippled God

Some say read the second book before the first one. I wouldn't, it spoils too much in my opinion.

The book that list as earlier on chronological order are not part of the greater story and are pretty much stand alones / background stories (or novellas).



Thanks for the answer, so far I'm loving reading the book even though it's still clouded a bit.
Btw looking for a good and cheap site to order the rest of the books, if there are any I would love to know about them.
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
January 03 2013 16:00 GMT
#325
On January 03 2013 22:45 adiga wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 22:16 Nisyax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 21:54 adiga wrote:
What's the reading order recommended by you guys? I started reading Gardens of the Moon and today I stumbled at a side saying it's the 6th book by chronological order. So I was wondering if I have done a mistake by starting from Gardens? What TL has to say about it? Read it by the published order or chronological order?

Thanks!


It's not the 6th book in chronological order if you look at the "big series". It would be the 2nd with only Midnight Tides being earlier (and some little fragments here and there like prologues etc.). Just read them as it's intended, so: Gardens -> Deadhouse Gates -> Memories of Ice -> House of Chains -> Midnight Tides -> Bonehunters -> Reapers Gale -> Toll the Hounds -> Dust of Dreams -> Crippled God

Some say read the second book before the first one. I wouldn't, it spoils too much in my opinion.

The book that list as earlier on chronological order are not part of the greater story and are pretty much stand alones / background stories (or novellas).



Thanks for the answer, so far I'm loving reading the book even though it's still clouded a bit.
Btw looking for a good and cheap site to order the rest of the books, if there are any I would love to know about them.

i agree with the guy you quoted.. i can see why some might find GoTM confusing, and can understand why you might skip it until you read the second... but i am glad i read it first

also..
http://amazon.com
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-03 16:26:09
January 03 2013 16:25 GMT
#326
After seeing all of the rave reviews of this series around here, I started reading it last month. I'm now almost through the fourth book. It's a good read and I am enjoying myself. It is darker than I expected, and there are some truly depressing moments (like the end of Book 2). My only complaint is that a lot of the main characters are indistinguishable from each other -- particularly among the Malazans and Bridgeburners. Some of the characters are really well-done, though, like Karsa and Rake.

EDIT: Just to add a little perspective, I'm not really a fantasy fan so much as I am a fan of epics.
LiamTheZerg
Profile Joined March 2011
United States523 Posts
January 03 2013 16:45 GMT
#327
Some of the characters are just names, but as the books go on I think he does a fairly great job of distinguishing the important characters. Love this series^^
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{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
January 03 2013 17:26 GMT
#328
yea, like half the names are just names for the sake of having characters named, in the later books some of the malazans get some inside stories (deadsmell for example) but thats not always the case and not really important to the mainplot in any case.

still reading book 9 cuz of holidays etc i was slow

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the part were tehol had the gift from the akkrynai and thought it was a sex tool was priceless
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Smat
Profile Joined January 2011
United States301 Posts
January 03 2013 18:53 GMT
#329
On January 03 2013 22:18 Malinor wrote:
I really want to read Forge of Darkness right now. But I have sooo many books to get through at the moment. Just started the second book of A Song of Ice and Fire (and want to finish the third book when the next season of Game of Thrones hits), got the Mistborn trilogy for christmas. Haven't read any of Esslemont's books, but Knight of Knives is also waiting. And then the sixth book of Joe Abercrombie is also out.
That is a lot of books, don't know when I'll actually get to it

Reading through the series was one of the most entertaining experiences of my life (First part of my signature is out of Midnight Tides).


Save Abercrombie's book for last. So disappointed. Im only halfway through it but it honestly feels like the man ran out of ideas.
antelope591
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada820 Posts
January 05 2013 11:24 GMT
#330
Ahhh finally finshed the series...was satisfied with the ending.
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I was actually glad to see a happy ending after all the shit they went through. A sad ending would have sucked at that point. After 10 books and hundreds of characters it was impossible to think of an ending that would be 100% satisfactory but this was close enough for me at least on the Malazan side. I was kind of upset that my favorite character Karsa kind of turned to shit after the 7th book and wasn't even in the last 2 after spending sooo much time building him up. My only other complaint is that he should've spent more time on the actual conflict with the Forkrul Assail. Like at least half the last book instead of just the last few chapters. After so much buildup to that event the FA ended up looking pretty weak being taken out so quick. Sister Reverence in the tower is the only one that got a halfway decent death.
DarthXX
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia998 Posts
January 08 2013 11:03 GMT
#331
So I'm a little way through Midnight Tides and I was wondering if
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The Lethari are the humans that wtfpwnd the Kerluhm T'lan Imass mentioned in Memories of Ice? I can't find the particular page in the book
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 11:28:46
January 08 2013 11:07 GMT
#332
On January 08 2013 20:03 DarthXX wrote:
So I'm a little way through Midnight Tides and I was wondering if
+ Show Spoiler +
The Lethari are the humans that wtfpwnd the Kerluhm T'lan Imass mentioned in Memories of Ice? I can't find the particular page in the book


+ Show Spoiler +
No, they (the Kerluhm) were on Assail, a different continent that is only mentioned in the main series.
anomalopidae
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Slovenia549 Posts
January 08 2013 11:51 GMT
#333
On January 03 2013 22:45 adiga wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On January 03 2013 22:16 Nisyax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 03 2013 21:54 adiga wrote:
What's the reading order recommended by you guys? I started reading Gardens of the Moon and today I stumbled at a side saying it's the 6th book by chronological order. So I was wondering if I have done a mistake by starting from Gardens? What TL has to say about it? Read it by the published order or chronological order?

Thanks!


It's not the 6th book in chronological order if you look at the "big series". It would be the 2nd with only Midnight Tides being earlier (and some little fragments here and there like prologues etc.). Just read them as it's intended, so: Gardens -> Deadhouse Gates -> Memories of Ice -> House of Chains -> Midnight Tides -> Bonehunters -> Reapers Gale -> Toll the Hounds -> Dust of Dreams -> Crippled God

Some say read the second book before the first one. I wouldn't, it spoils too much in my opinion.

The book that list as earlier on chronological order are not part of the greater story and are pretty much stand alones / background stories (or novellas).



Thanks for the answer, so far I'm loving reading the book even though it's still clouded a bit.
Btw looking for a good and cheap site to order the rest of the books, if there are any I would love to know about them.


I'm usually buying books through bookdepository.com

rereading entire series for 3rd time now that I finished Forge of Darkness and well gotta say that book explains lot of things and complicates some even more :D
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Lysergic
Profile Joined December 2010
United States355 Posts
January 08 2013 13:11 GMT
#334
Got a Kindle for christmas and I'm wondering which books you'd recommend to read first, what you liked the most, and other books/series that should be on my reading list. I really enjoyed A Song of Ice and Fire, so it's based on that. It's in order by what I plan on reading first:
  • Gardens of the Moon (Malazan Book of the Fallen 01), Steven Erikson
  • The Name of the Wind (Kingkiller Chronicle 01), Patrick Rothfuss
  • The Darkness That Comes Before (Prince of Nothing 01), Scott Bakker
  • The Blade Itself (The First Law 01), Joe Abercrombie
  • A Shadow in Summer (The Long Price Quartet 01), Daniel Abraham
  • The Black Company (Black Company 01), Glen Cook
  • The Hedge Knight (Tales of Dunk and Egg), George RR Martin

    Maybe/Eventually:
  • The Heroes, Joe Abercrombie
  • Embassytown, China Mieville

Anything to add/change/remove? Is Malazan a good series to start with?

I thought I read somewhere in this thread that magic was downplayed in Malazan; which I assumed meant not significant or is subtle~ like in ASOIAF. But judging from what I read so far (first 2 chapters), that's not the case; words like mage, sorcerer, power etc are mentioned hundreds of times.
Nisyax
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Netherlands756 Posts
January 08 2013 13:20 GMT
#335
It's pretty much the opposite of downplayed, magic stands central in the Malazan series. A bit more info can be found on wikipedia for example (reading the opening info should be safe enough)
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CONTAINS SPOILERS! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magic_in_the_Malazan_Book_of_the_Fallen


And yes I found it a good series to start with, I read it after ASOIAF and personally think it's the best. (probably because the style, content, etc. suits me really well)
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
January 08 2013 13:54 GMT
#336
Is the whole series finished? Is there a box set?
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
floor exercise
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada5847 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-08 14:19:51
January 08 2013 14:17 GMT
#337
Give the Malazan series an earnest shot because I think it's the best fantasy series written in a very long time. Magic is not subtle at all, but its use is not nearly as prevalent as you would think when half the characters are gods or children of gods.

Abercrombie is good, he pokes fun at a lot of fantasy tropes but I wouldn't try to read everything of his at once or you might suffer deja vu. Definitely try the first law trilogy and go from there though his latter work is much more refined. The Heroes is his best book, Red Country second in my opinion.

The Lies of Lock Lamora was a fun read. I haven't read the second though.

Rothfuss is really bad. If you like self insert bildungsroman bullshit that drags on endlessly you might like it. If you are into the wizard school shit The Magicians by Lev Grossman is probably better. Or if it's the coming of age part, Blood Song by Anthony Ryan was remarkably good for self published fantasy.

I liked Prince of Nothing but it's really flawed. It's far too rapey than any books need to be, the characters are almost all unlikeable and a lot of the battles are basically 1:1 rewrites of the crusades. His magic is really awesome though, it's definitely the high point of his books and the reason I've read them all.

Embassytown was really good but I don't think Mieville is the place to start if you want to read Sci fi, and I'm not sure if that's the best Mieville book to start with.

Read the Wool series, everyone should before they make an awful movie out of it
Orval
Profile Joined February 2012
Norway236 Posts
January 08 2013 19:17 GMT
#338
Been slogging through this series for a while now, didn't really even like the books until I was done with a few of them, but I commute by train so I needed something. Still don't think it's the most incredible thing, about 3/4 done with book 9 now. The series has got it's moments of absolute brilliance, but there is sooooo much in between that I really don't care about. Kinda looking forward to finishing and moving on to something else tbh. Not that I don't enjoy it, just a bit tired of it.

I know a lot of the storylines won't be tied up, but there are a few I will literally punch someone if isn't resolved.

Kruppe best character btw.
LaSt)ChAnCe
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States2179 Posts
January 08 2013 19:28 GMT
#339
On January 09 2013 04:17 Orval wrote:
Been slogging through this series for a while now, didn't really even like the books until I was done with a few of them, but I commute by train so I needed something. Still don't think it's the most incredible thing, about 3/4 done with book 9 now. The series has got it's moments of absolute brilliance, but there is sooooo much in between that I really don't care about. Kinda looking forward to finishing and moving on to something else tbh. Not that I don't enjoy it, just a bit tired of it.

I know a lot of the storylines won't be tied up, but there are a few I will literally punch someone if isn't resolved.

Kruppe best character btw.

wait til you get to tehol and bugg
CPTBadAss
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States594 Posts
January 08 2013 19:34 GMT
#340
Oooo, something new to check out and read. I'm pretty excited. I can't wait to post up some of my thoughts. Thanks for the recommendation!
I'll keep on struggling, 'cause that's the measure of a man | "That was the plan: To give him some hope, and then crush him" -Stephano
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