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On May 25 2015 21:13 Spaylz wrote:
The Sansa scenes were just reinforcing the idea that she is trapped with no recourse. They were good, but didn't bring much.
The one thing I took away from what we saw of her was that she brought up that Ramsay is a bastard and that Rose is soon to have a legitimate child. Maybe she putting pressure on this potentially weak spot is her way of playing the game?
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So, I read all the books, but I can't remember anything from Tyrion meeting Daenerys. Can someone remind me what happens between those two again? I remember her flying away on her dragon at some point after she looses (or is losing?) Mereen, but if I recall correctly they hadn't met yet, right?
Regarding quality of the show: I actually think it's pretty good. I mean, the books themselves aren't very good, so you gotta work with what you have, and I think they did a good job with that. Maybe the Dorne arc isn't up to par in quality to the rest, but that's hardly an issue imo. All the other arcs are still as good as they've always been, at least in my opinion.
But anyway, seriously curious about the Meereen part with Tyrion and Daenerys.
My fantasy running wild:
+ Show Spoiler +It would be nice to see Tyrion riding a dragon alongside Daenerys. There are 3 dragons for a reason, right?
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The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show.
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They didn't meet in the books. Neither did Jorah and Danny. Drogon came down into the fighting pits and Danny rode him out of Meereen and to Drogon's cave, if memory serves me
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On May 25 2015 21:13 Spaylz wrote:
The Sansa scenes were just reinforcing the idea that she is trapped with no recourse. They were good, but didn't bring much.
Those scenes were more about Theon and Sansa, I would say. Sansa is slowly working to get the old Theon back so he will eventually do the right thing and save her, even if he didn't dare to do so this time.
I'm still not quite sure what the High Sparrow's deal is in the show. He's clearly a very intelligent guy who knows exactly what's going on, yet seems to let both Cersei and Littlefinger/Olenna play him like a pawn, having him arrest whoever they desire. Olenna was right, everyone in that city is a sinner and they could easily arrest just about every highborn for whatever reason they come up with, yet they only arrest people when Cersei/Olenna tells them to. It's.. weird. It feels like the High Sparrow has a masterplan behind all of this, but I have no idea what it could possibly be.
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Yeah. Tyrion is staying outside of Meereen where the pale mare is killing loads of people. I don't recall if he has Jorah with him or not. I think he does, as they have the same masters.
In any case, Dany flies away on Drogon before Tyrion meets her. But it's pretty much a certainty that they will meet regardless.
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On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show.
want a faithful adaption of the books
Well yes, that would be the optimum, but we (i will just generalize here too) also understand that it isn't possible.
The next best thing would be an adaptation which is true to the books in themes and tone, that was overall the case in the previous seasons, but this season is just way off.
There are good scenes here and there (stannis comes to mind), but a lot of it is just fanfiction at this point which lacks any depth in complexity, atmosphere and themes which made AFFC and also ADWD great books.
People complaining about these two books want a fast moving story (at least that's the general opinion i think), AFFC and ADWD do more of worldbuilding, showing what the war did to the land and people and overal character development of already important characters.
The show maybe tries to do that, but a lot of the writting is just mediocre at best and you can notice what GRRM meant with the butterfly effect.
Is it too bad to even watch it? No certainly not, but it's disappointing nonetheless.
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On May 25 2015 21:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show. Well yes, that would be the optimum, but we (i will just generalize here too) also understand that it isn't possible. The next best thing would be an adaptation which is true to the books in themes and tone, that was overall the case in the previous seasons, but this season is just way off. There are good scenes here and there (stannis comes to mind), but a lot of it is just fanfiction at this point which lacks any depth in complexity, atmosphere and themes which made AFFC and also ADWD great books. People complaining about these two books want a fast moving story (at least that's the general opinion i think), AFFC and ADWD do more of worldbuilding, showing what the war did to the land and people and overal character development of already important characters. The show maybe tries to do that, but a lot of the writting is just mediocre at best and you can notice what GRRM meant with the butterfly effect. Is it too bad to even watch it? No certainly not, but it's disappointing nonetheless.
It just depends on what expectations you have. If you want the same quality as the first three books.. yeah, you will definitely be disappointed. But I could've told you as much two years ago, and I'm just surprised people haven't been expecting this to happen for ages now.
Guess where the complexity and atmosphere and the themes from the first few seasons came from? From the books. Now they're out of books to adapt, and there's no more rich world of complexity to fall back on to adapt their stuff. There's no more new scenes where we know all the details and intricacies behind them from the books. There's just.. new scenes. And suddenly they will feel a whole lot less complex.
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So guys, what do you think Sansa will do with what she picked up?
It seemed to be something sharp she'd use to either kill Ramsay, or pick the lock to her door.
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Don't think she will kill him, that's not Sansa'ish.
Probably use it to escape.
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On May 25 2015 22:47 SpiZe wrote:
Don't think she will kill him, that's not Sansa'ish.
Probably use it to escape.
I don't know, man. She was going to shove Joffrey off the wall in King's Landing, but The Hound stopped her. I think she has it in her.
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On May 25 2015 22:04 Conti wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 21:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show. want a faithful adaption of the books Well yes, that would be the optimum, but we (i will just generalize here too) also understand that it isn't possible. The next best thing would be an adaptation which is true to the books in themes and tone, that was overall the case in the previous seasons, but this season is just way off. There are good scenes here and there (stannis comes to mind), but a lot of it is just fanfiction at this point which lacks any depth in complexity, atmosphere and themes which made AFFC and also ADWD great books. People complaining about these two books want a fast moving story (at least that's the general opinion i think), AFFC and ADWD do more of worldbuilding, showing what the war did to the land and people and overal character development of already important characters. The show maybe tries to do that, but a lot of the writting is just mediocre at best and you can notice what GRRM meant with the butterfly effect. Is it too bad to even watch it? No certainly not, but it's disappointing nonetheless. It just depends on what expectations you have. If you want the same quality as the first three books.. yeah, you will definitely be disappointed. But I could've told you as much two years ago, and I'm just surprised people haven't been expecting this to happen for ages now. Guess where the complexity and atmosphere and the themes from the first few seasons came from? From the books. Now they're out of books to adapt, and there's no more rich world of complexity to fall back on to adapt their stuff. There's no more new scenes where we know all the details and intricacies behind them from the books. There's just.. new scenes. And suddenly they will feel a whole lot less complex.
There would be AFFC and ADWD to adapt, but they chose not to. Sometimes for reasons they cannot control (budget, time), sometimes for reasons which simply make the show more mainstream (Dorne, but even there they didn't succeed caus the execution is horrible)
So no, they still could be close to the books and get the tone, motives and atmosphere right, they chose not to cause apparently you have to change the pace and also emotional depth of AFFC for the mainstream audience
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On May 25 2015 22:59 Spaylz wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 22:47 SpiZe wrote:
Don't think she will kill him, that's not Sansa'ish.
Probably use it to escape. I don't know, man. She was going to shove Joffrey off the wall in King's Landing, but The Hound stopped her. I think she has it in her.
Was that what she was thinking? I could never tell if she was contemplating pushing him off or jumping off herself.
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On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show.
Barely anyone in the last several pages has mentioned anything about the books. It's all simply been about the fact that the writing for the TV show is just bad, regardless of the show's relationship to the books. As a stand-alone product, the writing for a number of the story lines is just weak, including Sansa's story, Dany's story, and particularly the whole Dorne thing.
No. The writing is ok for this show. Your attitude isn't ok, you're expecting oscar level drama/acting every scene, whereas its just a tv-show.
Are you dissitisfied? I guess thats your problem, no need to bitch about it in forums.
Pretty sure I didn't say that I wanted "Oscar-level acting" in every scene anywhere in my posts. I just want actual competence and I don't want to see a show I like lose so much quality like this. Really, if you want to tell me that the Dorne script is acceptable, then I just don't think I can take your opinion on this show very seriously.
And really, you don't expect people to complain on a forum? That's what they're for. Discussion, complaining, arguing, etc. If you don't like it, go somewhere else.
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On May 25 2015 23:39 Chewbacca. wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 22:59 Spaylz wrote:On May 25 2015 22:47 SpiZe wrote:
Don't think she will kill him, that's not Sansa'ish.
Probably use it to escape. I don't know, man. She was going to shove Joffrey off the wall in King's Landing, but The Hound stopped her. I think she has it in her. Was that what she was thinking? I could never tell if she was contemplating pushing him off or jumping off herself.
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To me, it looks pretty clear yeah. Especially the look in her eyes. It basically spells out murder.
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On May 25 2015 21:02 saddaromma wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 15:25 Stratos_speAr wrote:On May 25 2015 14:22 saddaromma wrote:On May 25 2015 14:13 sung_moon wrote:
I'm just treating the show as a separate entity, and will continue to do so/watch, regardless of how downward the quality of the show itself is now.
And god, that part where Reek meets up with Ramsay in the tower. Ugh..... I insist on asking that, whats the problem with the show? The writing is pretty bad at this point, particularly compared to previous seasons. No. The writing is ok for this show. Your attitude isn't ok, you're expecting oscar level drama/acting every scene, whereas its just a tv-show. Are you dissitisfied? I guess thats your problem, no need to bitch about it in forums.
Some one said this was going to happen this episode last week, and I though they were just joking and making a parody:
Tyene: He has a good voice.
Obara: He's a singer, if he was a fighter we might've been in trouble.
Bronn: It's against my code to hurt women.
Obara: It's amazing how many men we beat seem to have this code.
Bronn: I wouldn't say you beat me.
Tyene: And how is your arm?
Bronn: Wonderful. Wouldn't feel right to leave Dorne without a new scar.
Obara: You think you're leaving Dorne?
Bronn: No great hurry. Dornish women are the most beautiful in the world.
Tyene: Thank you.
Bronn: I said Dornish women, I didn't say you.
Tyene: I'm not the most beautiful woman you have ever seen?
Bronn: I've seen quite a few women in all the Seven Kingdoms.
Tyene: Tell me one woman more beautiful than I am.
Bronn: Well, now in King's Landing there was an absolute...
Tyene: There was a what? In King's Landing you were saying...
Bronn: Was I?
Tyene: ...there is a woman more beautiful than I am.
Bronn: Was there? My memory's not what it was earlier.
Tyene: And how is your arm now.
Bronn: You seem concerned with it. You must really like me.
Tyene: And how is your head?
Bronn: My head? You don't even want to know what's going on in there.
Tyene: What was that, are you sure you're feeling alright?
Bronn: Sure, a bit woozy but that's to be expected after a good dust-up.
Tyene: Your nose is bleeding.
Bronn: It's not it's the dry air.
Tyene: My dagger was coated with a special ointment from Asshai. It's called the Long Farewell. It can take some time to work some times several days. But if one single drop makes contact with the skin...death.
Tyene: The only antidote. Who is the most beautiful woman in the world? Who? Who, sorry?
Bronn: You.
She takes whatever the antidote it is from or off of her necklace and gives it to him.
Tyene: Don't drop it. I think you're very handsome as well.
She blows him a kiss and laughs.
Now add that she is stripping naked while having this dialogue. Yes the writing is just fine if you are expecting parody level writing or a Game of Bones porno.
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On May 25 2015 23:39 Stratos_speAr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show. See, this is the problem. A lot of you are just blind fanboys of the show and create a useless caricature of what we are criticizing on the show. Barely anyone in the last several pages has mentioned anything about the books. It's all simply been about the fact that the writing for the TV show is just bad, regardless of the show's relationship to the books. As a stand-alone product, the writing for a number of the story lines is just weak, including Sansa's story, Dany's story, and particularly the whole Dorne thing.
A lot of people in the last pages have complained about how slow and boring the show is now and that nothing has happened. That includes you, by the way.
I'm not here to defend stuff like the Dorne storyline, or the surprisingly bad/boring fight choreography this season. I'm happy to admit that those aren't all too exciting. It just annoys me that a few bad scenes are picked out to declare this the worst show ever, basically. You could easily do the same with the books, but you don't want to hate the books, you want to hate the show.
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On May 25 2015 23:39 The_Red_Viper wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 22:04 Conti wrote:On May 25 2015 21:42 The_Red_Viper wrote:On May 25 2015 21:33 Conti wrote:
The guys complaining here, for the most part, want a faithful adaption of the books, yet complain that the show is getting slow and boring. It's hilarious. The reason the show is so slow at the moment is because the source material they're adapting right now is so slow. If there's anyone to blame for this, it's the books, not the show. want a faithful adaption of the books Well yes, that would be the optimum, but we (i will just generalize here too) also understand that it isn't possible. The next best thing would be an adaptation which is true to the books in themes and tone, that was overall the case in the previous seasons, but this season is just way off. There are good scenes here and there (stannis comes to mind), but a lot of it is just fanfiction at this point which lacks any depth in complexity, atmosphere and themes which made AFFC and also ADWD great books. People complaining about these two books want a fast moving story (at least that's the general opinion i think), AFFC and ADWD do more of worldbuilding, showing what the war did to the land and people and overal character development of already important characters. The show maybe tries to do that, but a lot of the writting is just mediocre at best and you can notice what GRRM meant with the butterfly effect. Is it too bad to even watch it? No certainly not, but it's disappointing nonetheless. It just depends on what expectations you have. If you want the same quality as the first three books.. yeah, you will definitely be disappointed. But I could've told you as much two years ago, and I'm just surprised people haven't been expecting this to happen for ages now. Guess where the complexity and atmosphere and the themes from the first few seasons came from? From the books. Now they're out of books to adapt, and there's no more rich world of complexity to fall back on to adapt their stuff. There's no more new scenes where we know all the details and intricacies behind them from the books. There's just.. new scenes. And suddenly they will feel a whole lot less complex. There would be AFFC and ADWD to adapt, but they chose not to. Sometimes for reasons they cannot control (budget, time), sometimes for reasons which simply make the show more mainstream (Dorne, but even there they didn't succeed caus the execution is horrible) So no, they still could be close to the books and get the tone, motives and atmosphere right, they chose not to cause apparently you have to change the pace and also emotional depth of AFFC for the mainstream audience
My guess is that the reason why they are changing so much from the last two books is because they know how it will all end, and they know how much plot is still there to get through to reach that ending. And they have decided that they already need to speed things up and change things in major ways to stuff all the plot they still have to go through in just 2 more seasons.
That, and "world building" simply doesn't translate all too well to a TV show. How boring do you think people would have found this season if they really did just adapt the books and nothing more? Tyrion meeting Dany would, if anything, be in the last episode. Arya getting her new face would be in the last episode. Things would be so, so much more stretched out, and people surely would hate the pace of the show. You really can't fault them for not going down that route.
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On May 25 2015 21:13 Spaylz wrote:
I'm not sure I understand Littlefinger's role in all this though. He has a meeting with Olenna, he tells her he also has a young man for her, then Cersei gets trapped due to Lancel. LF can't be tied to that, can he? I can hardly imagine that he would have any impact on Lancel at all. It makes little sense to me. So am I missing something?
I would love to know this as well. I guess LF is referring to Lancel, but he joined the Faith way before LF arrived at KL. Also, I just can't imagine that LF tells Olenna, "Hey, tell the High Sparrow about Lancel, he will imprison Cersei". The High Sparrow must already know about this, and this move would make it seem like he actually arrests whomever he is asked to arrest?
I don't really understand...
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On May 25 2015 23:59 Sholip wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2015 21:13 Spaylz wrote:
I'm not sure I understand Littlefinger's role in all this though. He has a meeting with Olenna, he tells her he also has a young man for her, then Cersei gets trapped due to Lancel. LF can't be tied to that, can he? I can hardly imagine that he would have any impact on Lancel at all. It makes little sense to me. So am I missing something?
I would love to know this as well. I guess LF is referring to Lancel, but he joined the Faith way before LF arrived at KL. Also, I just can't imagine that LF tells Olenna, "Hey, tell the High Sparrow about Lancel, he will imprison Cersei". The High Sparrow must already know about this, and this move would make it seem like he actually arrests whomever he is asked to arrest? I don't really understand...
Well, the High Sparrow already arrested Margaery and Loras solely because Cersei told him about them, so.. yeah. Apparently he operates on that principle. Which is really confusing me, too.
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