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On June 10 2014 00:41 sanctuz wrote: So-so episode imo like the season to be honest. Not doing the "great moments" justice.
I dont understand why Gilly couldn't have mentioned all the wildlings waiting down the way. They even made a point out of her seeing them at the start of the episode. Strange noone has mentioned it before.
what? They were fully aware of the wildlings coming from the south
Gilly didn't really have to mention it, they already knew that the wildlings had attacked Mole's Town, and Sam thought Gilly was dead. Ygritte spared her and she fled to Castle Black, but it's unlikely that she knew where the wildlings were at specifically.
We mostly see Thorne from Jon's perspective in the books. It's not surprising he is more dynamic on the show. I wish they had introduced Noye though. I know that Pyp and Grenn died to give the cost of the battle a meaning but It will be weird that Jon has so few friendly faces left among the Night's Watch.
1. Allisar Thorn: they made a badass out of him, which is okay I guess since they had to make up something. 2. The whole fucking attack-the-wall thing: great battle, nice scenes.
So, if I imagined that I didn't read the books - it was a okay-but-not-great episode. Disappointing, after all. But: I was wondering why the fuck they'd send Stannis to Braavos, if he's supposed to be at the wall when the wildlings attack. Aaaand, whoops: no Stannis at the wall. How stupid is that. Then, next thing: what the fuck is the ending? Like Jon Snow going full badass? That's just plain stupid!
Seriously, I'm totally disappointed by the Wall segment of season 4. It's just plain stupid and seems to be completely made up. I'm disappointed.
On June 10 2014 02:56 boxerfred wrote: So, let's give this a review.
1. Allisar Thorn: they made a badass out of him, which is okay I guess since they had to make up something. 2. The whole fucking attack-the-wall thing: great battle, nice scenes.
So, if I imagined that I didn't read the books - it was a okay-but-not-great episode. Disappointing, after all. But: I was wondering why the fuck they'd send Stannis to Braavos, if he's supposed to be at the wall when the wildlings attack. Aaaand, whoops: no Stannis at the wall. How stupid is that. Then, next thing: what the fuck is the ending? Like Jon Snow going full badass? That's just plain stupid!
Seriously, I'm totally disappointed by the Wall segment of season 4. It's just plain stupid and seems to be completely made up. I'm disappointed.
Stannis isnt suppoused to show up during the first siege. When Jon's out there dealign with Mance, that's when he arrives
I'm fine with delaying Stannis til next episode. My concern is that they won't have the time and budget to show Stannis's attack, and we will just hear about it, which would be disappointing.
On June 10 2014 03:13 karazax wrote: I'm fine with delaying Stannis til next episode. My concern is that they won't have the time and budget to show Stannis's attack, and we will just hear about it, which would be disappointing.
Will Tyrion kill Tywin next episode or are they saving it for next season you think? I feel like they should show it this season but there is so much stuff that are supposed to happen >.<
On June 10 2014 04:04 Gullis wrote: Will Tyrion kill Tywin next episode or are they saving it for next season you think? I feel like they should show it this season but there is so much stuff that are supposed to happen >.<
I'd be shocked if they don't show Tyrion kill Tywin, but you're right that they have a ton of stuff to cover.
Bran meets children of the Forest
Jon meets with Mance, Stannis attacks
I'm assuming that they won't have time to do the lord commander election this season; even having Jon and Stannis meet at all may have to wait.
jaime and tyrion
Cersei
Varys and Jaime help Tyrion escape and he kills Tywin and Shae
Brienne (perhaps vs the Hound?)
Hound and Arya
Dany
I don't think there should be any more Bolton, Greyjoy, Sansa/Littlefinger scenes, but there could be some more original time fillers from other characters. I can't think of anything else that HAS to be covered, but I still think Lady Stoneheart is a possible cliff hanger.
On June 10 2014 04:04 Gullis wrote: Will Tyrion kill Tywin next episode or are they saving it for next season you think? I feel like they should show it this season but there is so much stuff that are supposed to happen >.<
I'm 99.9% sure Tywin is a goner this season. There's no getting around him dying, his fall is a titanic blow to the politics of King's Landing and why not have such a great character/actor go out in a finale. The timing is perfect.
Another hint is that the next episode is called: "The Children"
Most likely this is in reference to Tywin's relationship to his 3 kids. Which, if done properly, could transition nicely into the next season where the future of the Lannisters is tarnished by each of them despite all of Tywin's ambitions for his dynasty.
On June 10 2014 04:04 Gullis wrote: Will Tyrion kill Tywin next episode or are they saving it for next season you think? I feel like they should show it this season but there is so much stuff that are supposed to happen >.<
I'm 99.9% sure Tywin is a goner this season. There's no getting around him dying, his fall is a titanic blow to the politics of King's Landing and why not have such a great character/actor go out in a finale. The timing is perfect.
Another hint is that the next episode is called: "The Children"
Most likely this is in reference to Tywin's relationship to his 3 kids. Which, if done properly, could segway nicely into the next season where the future of the Lannisters is tarnished by each of them despite all of Tywin's ambitions for his dynasty.
Isn't it just for the children of the forest? Everyone's a child of someone if you want to go down that way of thinking.
On June 10 2014 04:04 Gullis wrote: Will Tyrion kill Tywin next episode or are they saving it for next season you think? I feel like they should show it this season but there is so much stuff that are supposed to happen >.<
the preview trailer did show a crossbow.
I had to re watch it but yeah that definitely gives it away
Often the writers try to tie as many things as they can to the show title's theme, sometimes forcing the issue. I can see the child being eaten by Dany's dragon, the children of the forest for Bran, Tywin dealing with his children, something with Arya, possibly Mance's son, though they haven't had Dalla or Val so far, and probably a few other tie in's that I am forgetting.
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