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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
June 09 2014 03:36 GMT
#10421
yeah i dunno why everyone's expecting Stannis to show up now. The battle ends with Jon holding the wall, but takes substantial injuries. Then the wildlings regroup and prepare for another attack. Then the acting commander forces Jon to make a "deal" and try to assassinate mance, and THEN Stannis arrives.
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Lord Tolkien
Profile Joined November 2012
United States12083 Posts
June 09 2014 03:38 GMT
#10422
On June 09 2014 12:34 c0ldfusion wrote:
But Grenn, isn't he _still_ alive. Wtf....

Pyp and Grenn are alive and broing it up still in the books.

Grenn's used as a Noye subsitute which makes sense, but nooooooooo~, and Pyp is just noooooooo~

Q_Q
"His father is pretty juicy tbh." ~WaveofShadow
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
June 09 2014 03:40 GMT
#10423
On June 09 2014 12:29 c0ldfusion wrote:
Wow, they killed Pyp. I guess it doesn't matter too much.

And uh... no Stannis...



still Donal Noye the 1 handed blacksmiith who killed the king of the giants in the tunnel was much more epic.

but hey, at least now we know the NW buds werent important.
The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
June 09 2014 03:50 GMT
#10424
I couldn't remember which brothers died during the siege so I flinched a little when Pip took that arrow.
Good fight scenes. Jon is such a badass.

I forgot her name at the moment but poor thingy :[
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Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
June 09 2014 04:02 GMT
#10425
Woah, so they left stannis arrival at the wall+tywins death+closure on bran-dany+revelation of zombieCat all for 1 episode.
Will we ever see zombiecat this season at all? I mean they have all these loose ends and they have to build towards zombiecat with brienne scenes, soooo, not enough time obv for all this.
My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
June 09 2014 04:17 GMT
#10426
Its possible that stoneheart gets postponed to next season, they have to finish Tyrions+ Stannis/Jon's parts first. Bran/Daenarys also have to get their screentime(zzzzzz).

rip Pyp

also rip Ygritte although that was going to happen anyway, still sad.

that little kid is somewhat awesome though, that nod lol.
WriterXiao8~~
c0ldfusion
Profile Joined October 2010
United States8293 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 04:32:14
June 09 2014 04:21 GMT
#10427
Edit: I was wrong. Pyp and Grenn
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 04:39:09
June 09 2014 04:37 GMT
#10428
It seems like it's leading up to Jon meeting Mance before the scene cuts out.

Tywin and Tyrion should still be the focus next episode like we've been suspecting. I don't see the show focusing on anything else, now that the attack on Castle Black is over and Sansa's storyline has progressed pretty far recently... unless they surprise/troll us with more Arya and leave the good stuff for the beginning of next season.

I'm not sure what the show will do about zombie Catelyn, Brienne, and Jaimie. That whole ordeal (just counting what we've read so far in the books) seems too much for the show to swallow. There's the Stannis and Jon at the Wall, the two queens in King Landing, Dany and conflict in Mereen, the turmoil for vengeance in Dorne ...

If they exclude Catelyn and change what happends to Brienne and Jaimie - we'll have evidence that zombie Catelyn isn't as relevant that important to the overall story.

If not, then more mystery. I'm sure other, less important storylines will be cut to make room, such as the Dornish prince (forget his name) and companions travelling to Slaver's Bay to win over Daenerys (that felt unnecessary even in the books).
SKC
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil18828 Posts
June 09 2014 04:42 GMT
#10429
They don't have to do much with Lady Stoneheart. They can just show her getting back to her feet in the closing scene of the show and leave the mystery for the next season.
domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 04:56:12
June 09 2014 04:56 GMT
#10430
Well Brienne does eventually get captured and later she comes to fetch Jaimie (probably to Stoneheart).

Also, I meant if the showrunners exclude Stoneheart entirely, leaving Catelyn's character dead.

EDIT

Now that I've seen the preview for episode 10, it will cover several storylines. Looks like we will see the beginning of the Stannis' attack on the wilding army and Arya getting closer to leaving Westeros, leaving Tyrion little time to kill Tywin (last five minutes like Oberyn vs Gregor?)
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 09 2014 04:59 GMT
#10431
On June 09 2014 07:29 NPF wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 07:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Well I'm hyped as all hell. Given how drawn-out the Battle of Castle Black has been all season and judging from the preview I'm expecting something of equal or greater quality than "Blackwater" (best ep so far in the series imo).

Plus...it's episode 9 :o


Small sheep boy kills Ygritte with a bow, and Jon will be forced to say good job in front of acting commander Allister Thorn. It will be a strange feeling I guess.

Edit: My guess on the TV adaptation of the scene.


Heh, nice call.

imo Ygritte's death was the only glaring issue I had with this ep. Too cinematic. The book version was not only more touching but also a bit more believable.

==

Aside from that I was very satisfied with this one. It's at least on par with "Blackwater". Actually giving Sam some dignity and making Alliser Thorne somewhat likable for once was a very nice addition. The giants and mammoths were fucking awesome as well.
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Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 05:01:59
June 09 2014 05:01 GMT
#10432
From the show thread, next weeks preview -
+ Show Spoiler +



(spoilered because the freeze frame it shows could be considered spoilerish as a change from the books)
Based on the preview -
+ Show Spoiler +
It looks like the people thinking the hound will fight brienne (or at least meet her) were right - there's a shot of her distinctive blue armor that Jaime gave her out of focus when the Hound steps forth. It looks like Stannis arrives (where else are there going to be men on horseback in a snowy forest?. We'll get everything from Tyrion, dunno about his conversation with Jaime. Cersei seems to be going a little more nutso, but on Tywin so... anyways. Bran + co make it to a tree. I've read speculation that if LS isn't the final scene in the season then Dany chaining the dragons probably will be.
Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 09 2014 05:04 GMT
#10433
On June 09 2014 13:59 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2014 07:29 NPF wrote:
On June 09 2014 07:23 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
Well I'm hyped as all hell. Given how drawn-out the Battle of Castle Black has been all season and judging from the preview I'm expecting something of equal or greater quality than "Blackwater" (best ep so far in the series imo).

Plus...it's episode 9 :o


Small sheep boy kills Ygritte with a bow, and Jon will be forced to say good job in front of acting commander Allister Thorn. It will be a strange feeling I guess.

Edit: My guess on the TV adaptation of the scene.


Heh, nice call.

imo Ygritte's death was the only glaring issue I had with this ep. Too cinematic. The book version was not only more touching but also a bit more believable.

==

Aside from that I was very satisfied with this one. It's at least on par with "Blackwater". Actually giving Sam some dignity and making Alliser Thorne somewhat likable for once was a very nice addition. The giants and mammoths were fucking awesome as well.


Yea but we saw that coming didn't we? Shae's death is also probably going to be more cinematic, than it was in the books.

They played up Jon and Ygritte's relationship very heavily in the show, which we knew they were going to do the moment we realized the girl that was cast as Ygritte was way hotter than she was supposed to be based on her book description.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
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Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-09 05:15:34
June 09 2014 05:07 GMT
#10434
So this season they got their episode 9 on during episode 8 and then managed to make an all-battle episode boring.

Points for doing Ygritte's death well, doing some good things with Sam, and semi salvaging their stupid version of Alliser.

This version of why Jon is going out to kill Mance solo is ridiculous. I'd think Sam could have called him on that, and the newly hardened Sam of the show would have. Jon even asked him for a better idea. I'd think he could have mumbled some gibberish and it would have been a satisfactory answer. He doesn't even have a sword now and he isn't bringing Ghost? I suppose a sword will appear in his hands later if the plot calls for him to have one.

How exactly did the NW win on the ground? It didn't seem to be adding up in their favor but then they just did.

I suppose Grenn and Pyp are the extra deaths they have been hinting at? It seems underwhelming. Grenn had already looked like their Noye merge, so that wasn't even so much of a change. I had been thinking they might kill Jorah instead of exiling him when they first started making those teases, or part of Tormund's new job would include dying like book-Styr did.

Worst episode 9 to date, by far. Each of the others was a highlight. This was below the overall average.



ep10 preview: + Show Spoiler +
Whoever first called that Brienne would fight Sandor gets a point. It'll be interesting how they fit that in while squaring everything away so that the characters can get on their book 4 trajectories. I could see it working maybe, but it still seems iffy to me. I'd rather it not be the case.
KadaverBB
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Germany25658 Posts
June 09 2014 05:18 GMT
#10435
Brienne biting off the hounds ear and then fucking him up pretty good could be kinda cool haha
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
June 09 2014 06:53 GMT
#10436
heh, I just noticed next week is Father's Day xD

great timing for Tywin's end
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16121 Posts
June 09 2014 06:57 GMT
#10437
On June 09 2014 15:53 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
heh, I just noticed next week is Father's Day xD

great timing for Tywin's end


That has to be intentional haha.
aka: KTVindicare the Geeky Bartender
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
June 09 2014 07:29 GMT
#10438
On June 09 2014 14:18 KadaverBB wrote:
Brienne biting off the hounds ear and then fucking him up pretty good could be kinda cool haha


Lol, it also solves 2 story threads with 1 scene.
The hound left to rot/become the gravedigger, arya off to braavos and brienne off to meet zombiecat.
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Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
June 09 2014 10:10 GMT
#10439
I was satisfied with the episode.

Pyp's death and Grenn's death are saddening, but it also feels like they reached the end of their arcs. Even if they are still alive in the books, I think it suits the show fine.

The episode was very nicely done. Very well directed. It seems Neil Marshall directed the ep. I'm impressed.

In another context, the scenes between Sam and Gilly would have been entirely too cheesy, but here, with the possible impending death and the general sense of doom the episode is filled with, I think it works. I really loved the ambiance, you could feel that if they did break through, the realm would be in a world of troubles. If they can make you (well, at least me..) feel that way when it's just the wildlings, imagine how it'll be when the Others breach the Wall!

A few minor things were a bit unsatisfying. The biggest nitpick I have is Jon's fight with the Thenn. There's a clear pattern to Jon fighting "big" villains now: fight begins in a showdown sort of way, they go at it, Jon's opponent gets the upper hand, then Jon pulls a twist or is saved out of nowhere. I wish we could have such a fight where Jon would prevail in a "clean" manner, as in a regular one on one combat where he just mortally slashes his foe.

Other than that... Great episode, really. Ygritte's death made me so sad, too. The shot of Jon craddling Ygritte as the fight rages on was beautiful. Out of place, but in a voluntary and very fitting sort of way. Love ends as the battle goes on. I liked it.
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Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
June 09 2014 10:20 GMT
#10440
Rip Pyp and Grenn.
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