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On May 10 2013 07:14 moopie wrote:
Jon was legitimized by robb (most likely).
But anyway, at one point GRRM was planning on having a 5 year gap between ASoS and AFfC. That would have given Rickon a chance to grow up a bit and be meaningful.
And Stannis would legitimize him also...
It's still hard to tell if Robb had the legitimacy to legitimize the illegitimate as he might have not been very legitimate himself in his self-though legitimacy.
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The categories are weird. I understand separating Starks and Lannisters as factions, but the other three do not seem to make any sense. What is the difference between antagonist, neutral and opportunist? That people like Littlefinger change between being in one or more of those categories and even spends some time labeled Lannister causes me to lean towards assuming it doesn't have much supportable reasoning behind it.
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Coldhands should probably be meeting up with Sam soon right?
Forget when he appears in the books. Really really really hoping they turn him as badass.
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On May 10 2013 08:51 sung_moon wrote:
Coldhands should probably be meeting up with Sam soon right?
Forget when he appears in the books. Really really really hoping they turn him as badass.
Yes. He should have showed up last episode. That scene with Sam and Gilly in which he sings is in the same chapter as when they meet Coldhands. Without the wights and Coldhands it was just a painfully pointless scene. (until e7 comes out on Sunday I feel the need to maintain a quota on mentioning how much I hated e6)
One of the previews had Sam coming up out of the well into the midst of Bran and co. at the Nightfort so if Coldhands is going to exist in the show we should certainly be seeing him this season.
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On May 10 2013 07:36 0x64 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2013 07:14 moopie wrote:
Jon was legitimized by robb (most likely).
But anyway, at one point GRRM was planning on having a 5 year gap between ASoS and AFfC. That would have given Rickon a chance to grow up a bit and be meaningful.
And Stannis would legitimize him also... It's still hard to tell if Robb had the legitimacy to legitimize the illegitimate as he might have not been very legitimate himself in his self-though legitimacy.
As the head of his house, there's every possibility Robb could have legitimised Jon even without being a legitimate king.
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On May 10 2013 00:37 chisuri wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 08:10 moopie wrote:On May 09 2013 07:12 Z-BosoN wrote:
Does anyone have any good guesses as to how arya will return to the main storyline??
Best guess I have is that she is going to kill everyone in her nightly prayers, main one being cersei, but she's already fucked up as is, so I don't think that's what's going down...
Also, what's the point of her meeting Sam? Arya won't kill Cersei. Cersei will be killed by either Tyrion or Jaime (most likely the latter). Are you sure about that? Here is my theory about the prophecy posted in page 298 but people didn't show interest. Still I think it has some legit points: The prophecy regarding Cercei's destiny stated that she would be choked to death by the valonqar, which means brother. Cercei thought that it referred to her brother Tyrion; people have even suspected the twist that it would be Jaime. I think it will be Stannis. The prophecy didn't stipulate that the killer must be HER brother. And if you link that part to the immediate precedent part: ... "Will the king and I have children?" she asked. Oh, aye. Six-and-ten for him, and three for you.", it will make sense that the Frog meant the valonqar as the King's brother- Stannis, who would deliver his justice to Cercei by choking her.
I just wanted to say that I think that is (awesomely) the most likely option. Stannis has such a great sense of humor and morals -- kind of like Jon Snow but seemingly more likely to win it all. Cersei-choking comes with the territory, of course.
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I have to write an essay on a post 90's book of my choosing, and I want to write it on one of the game of thrones novel. What do you guys think would be the best choice of all of them? This sounds like a lame question, and I hope this is posted in the appropriate place.
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What are you supposed to write about ?
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On May 10 2013 10:22 LollarusFTW wrote:
I have to write an essay on a post 90's book of my choosing, and I want to write it on one of the game of thrones novel. What do you guys think would be the best choice of all of them? This sounds like a lame question, and I hope this is posted in the appropriate place.
The only one that has a self-contained story is the first one. The rest seem kinda hard to write a book report on, because so much depends on what happened in earlier books and story arcs appear to just kinda let the reader know that the characters are still around (like Arya and Jaime chapters in ADWD, or Bran in ASOS).
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From the other thread:
On May 10 2013 10:24 xavra41 wrote:
Have you guys been watching the same show as me? Sam is NOT courageous. He fails at everything he does. His only strength is that he is literate because he is highborn. He also hasn't grown once as a character. He had one job and failed it, all those men of the Night's Watch died for nothing because of him. He is fucking risking his life for an ugly girl who is using him to take care of her incest baby. Too clumsy and cowardly to be a leader and too weak to be a ranger. He is one of the smartest crows, but that is like being the smartest in your special ed class. I want him to die because this show strives for realism. So many characters have died from smaller mistakes and Sam doesn't deserve to live while the show is so cut throat.
Haha, is he in for a disappointment when Sam finally becomes Sam the Slayer and then lives happily ever after (well, ever after... doubt there's any happily).
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A lot of hate for him in the other thread. I think people wouldn't hate him so much if they didn't set him up to die in the season 2 finale. He got surrounded by wights and spotted by a Wight Walker and he got out fine while other people die for smaller mistakes (as that guy mentioned).
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On May 10 2013 10:22 LollarusFTW wrote:
I have to write an essay on a post 90's book of my choosing, and I want to write it on one of the game of thrones novel. What do you guys think would be the best choice of all of them? This sounds like a lame question, and I hope this is posted in the appropriate place.
I think you should look at the first novel The Game of Thrones as your source material. You can delve into the characters of Ned and Robert and talk about the downfall of men. One's was due to his inflexible honor and the other's was his indulgence in lust and gluttony. There wll be plenty to talk about.
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It doesn't help that television show Sam doesn't even get the ravens off at the Fist of the First Men. By now in the books he had also killed one of the Others so maybe their annoyance is justified since his character has done nothing right or good so far.
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On May 10 2013 12:56 CobaltBlu wrote:
It doesn't help that television show Sam doesn't even get the ravens off at the Fist of the First Men. By now in the books he had also killed one of the Others so maybe their annoyance is justified since his character has done nothing right or good so far.
Not to mention the other men were planning treason up on the fist in the books. Sam the slayer might redeem himself however, i cannot see how they could skip that but i am seriously worried that they might... it is such a redeeming moment for him and the TV viewers are correct - Sam has been completely useless so far in the show, his character has no real purpose either.
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It's definitely going to happen, but I don't think it's gonna make people hate him any less. They're probably going to think about how forced and contrived him working up the courage to kill an Other is. He didn't change much after the incident either as he still whines and insists that he's craven, so people will still have reason to hate him. Compare him to Jaime, who develops a new outlook on life after he loses his hand.
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Well, Sam is a big fat wimp in the books too. However, in the books we know he's not craven despite him repeating over and over that he is. They are arguing that Sam is dumb, which is also not true. Maybe it was my knowledge of his book personality that made me see this in the show too, but his plot arc might be too rushed for it to be made clear for non-readers (and it doesn't help that he forgot the ravens and has yet to become Sam the Slayer)?
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On May 10 2013 18:14 LoLAdriankat wrote:
It's definitely going to happen, but I don't think it's gonna make people hate him any less. They're probably going to think about how forced and contrived him working up the courage to kill an Other is. He didn't change much after the incident either as he still whines and insists that he's craven, so people will still have reason to hate him. Compare him to Jaime, who develops a new outlook on life after he loses his hand.
I think they might play it out as that the other will want the baby, and Sam will stand inbetween The other and gilly with the baby, then by some chance while closing his eyes he manages to kill it. This would effectively redeem him, i mean they have to redeem him since they must've seen that when they wrote the script that Sam has no purpose and just fails at everything.
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Didn't he dispatch the ravens in the book, though?
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Can someone remind me who bloodraven is? I can't remember him from the books.
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On May 10 2013 22:37 Xinder wrote:
Can someone remind me who bloodraven is? I can't remember him from the books.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Brynden_Rivers
He is not really overtly mentioned, its one of those things you'd only pick up on if you read the books a couple times or spend time on the internet looking things up. The evidence points to him being the 3 eyed crow.
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