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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and FireClick Here for the spoiler-free thread. |
On May 08 2013 19:54 Conti wrote:From the other thread: Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 18:28 sideburn horse wrote:
If it its true what some people are speculating, that the Bostons are selling robb out and in return become the new lord paramounts of the north, that means the sick bastard who is now torturing theon could possibly become the new heir to winterfell, if roose has no legitemite children...
It would make even more sense if the Freys are in on this plott aswell, to make themselves lord paramounts of the riverlands. Imagine: the lannisters set up a trap where a troop of lannister and frey soldiers led by the Mountain surprise attacks and overwhelms the starks and the tullys on their Journey towards the marriage at the twins. Robb not knowing that he has a traitor on his council will probably only bring a small force with him. Once they are ambushed and killed, Tywin can now give the North to Bolton and Riverlands to Frey. With Baelish in the Vale, he now has a loyal vassal ruling every kingdom except the Dorne and Iron islands.
Would george be that cruel and let two seasons in a row end with massive lannister victories and the death of the shows initial protagonists?
Its a plausible theory but i feel like Robb and Cat have a plot-sheild after all the time we have spent with them and neds death. New account, going on about how obvious Theon's torturer's identity is before predicting the RW up to Bolton working with the Lannisters, Robb only having a small force, Cat dying.. Yeah, totally not suspicious at all.
Okay yeah. I said earlier I wasn't too suspicious about predictions pointing towards Robb's demise, but that one feels like a blatant lamer pretending not to know what happens.
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On May 08 2013 20:19 Kipsate wrote:
GoT has too many good actors wtf. Bolton is so scary.
Isn't he?
I think they took a que (?) from Christopher Nolan's interpretation of The Joker, like the uncertain origin, the love for chaos etc.
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The show is making things clearer than in the books though, and especially Robb's situation more grim. I can see that many people could predict the RW. As for the actors, I agree that most of them are great especially Tywin and Stannis. Jaime's actor can speak better English than I could too and he is Danish!
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On May 09 2013 00:03 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 20:19 Kipsate wrote:
GoT has too many good actors wtf. Bolton is so scary. Isn't he? I think they took a que (?) from Christopher Nolan's interpretation of The Joker, like the uncertain origin, the love for chaos etc.
The "villains" in GoT are way more interesting than most of the "heroes", though it ends up being that way in many works of fiction. Out of all the POV characters, Tyrion and Theon are the only ones that interest me as much as Tywin (well, did anyway), Papa Bolton, Bastard Bolton, or Mance Rayder. Arya has her moments, I guess.
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PW was really the thing that surprised me the most in the book. "I can believe it's happening, WTF".
Mance is not a villain.
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On May 09 2013 01:08 0x64 wrote:
PW was really the thing that surprised me the most in the book. "I can believe it's happening, WTF".
Mance is not a villain.
Haha I was about to say that too... It doesn't matter how loosely you use the term "Villain", Mance is anything but.
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By the way I wonder what you all think of the idea that Melisandre is actually a Shadow Priestess and not a priestess of R'Hllor? As far as I can remember her only displayed magical talents are to make shadow assassins and be immune to poison, but not resurrect people like Thoros, and she seems extremely keen on human sacrifice.
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On May 08 2013 19:54 Conti wrote:From the other thread: Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 18:28 sideburn horse wrote:
If it its true what some people are speculating, that the Bostons are selling robb out and in return become the new lord paramounts of the north, that means the sick bastard who is now torturing theon could possibly become the new heir to winterfell, if roose has no legitemite children...
It would make even more sense if the Freys are in on this plott aswell, to make themselves lord paramounts of the riverlands. Imagine: the lannisters set up a trap where a troop of lannister and frey soldiers led by the Mountain surprise attacks and overwhelms the starks and the tullys on their Journey towards the marriage at the twins. Robb not knowing that he has a traitor on his council will probably only bring a small force with him. Once they are ambushed and killed, Tywin can now give the North to Bolton and Riverlands to Frey. With Baelish in the Vale, he now has a loyal vassal ruling every kingdom except the Dorne and Iron islands.
Would george be that cruel and let two seasons in a row end with massive lannister victories and the death of the shows initial protagonists?
Its a plausible theory but i feel like Robb and Cat have a plot-sheild after all the time we have spent with them and neds death. New account, going on about how obvious Theon's torturer's identity is before predicting the RW up to Bolton working with the Lannisters, Robb only having a small force, Cat dying.. Yeah, totally not suspicious at all.
after his ban has been lifted he's going to come back prancing in the got thread making more bold predictions.
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"Villain" as much as he is directly opposing the POV characters and is more or less Jon's "nemesis" for a good portion of ASoS. Not a villain as far as he's evil, in the way that Jaime was a "villain" for AGoT and ACoK, but wasn't really "evil", he just opposed the Starks, who are supposedly our "heroes".
I'm using the terms very, very loosely because ASOIAF is very grey and grey morality. I simply identify our POV characters as "heroes" out of habit, despite Theon being a complete twat through ACoK, Victarion being a pretty brutal pirate, and Cersei being... Cersei.
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On May 07 2013 12:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:38 tshi wrote:
Man, I still get chills from Petyr's speech. I have a hard time taking him seriously, every time he talks I cant help but notice how he speaks like Shawn Michaels.
hah! that's hilarious... now I can't stop noticing it too
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On May 08 2013 08:50 Craze wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:35 Acrofales wrote:On May 08 2013 08:01 Requizen wrote:On May 08 2013 07:53 Serek wrote:On May 07 2013 13:53 armada[sb] wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling that Melisandre's shock and interest in the revival of Lord Beric is kind of a clue as to her reviving Jon at Castle Black? My thoughts exactly. It might even be possible that she "learnt" offscreen how to perform the ritual (even though Thoros does mention it is a thing of faith, etc). I also find interesting the mention of the "High Priest" of the Lord of Light. I don't recall the books mentioning anything at all the organization of that faith. They definitely do. One of the POV characters see him in... one of the Free Cities (I can't remember the names). It was either a Tyrion or Quent chapter, where the priest is conducting a mass in the city. Talking about red priests. Anybody find it weird that Thoros and Melisandre greeted each other with Valar Morgulis/Dohaeris as if it held some special significance in their religion? In the books this is quite tightly linked with the Faceless Men, which have nothing to do wtih the Lord of the Light (and most probably quite the opposite: revive vs. kill?) I don't find it that odd, their religion seems pretty stout in demanding service "Valar Doheiris" (all men must serve). They also seem to believe heavily in fate "Valar Morgulis" (all men must die). Put together as two parts of one greeting and i translate it as saying that "to die in the service of the red god is a glorious way of meeting the inevitable."
It's not that this doesn't make sense. It's that those words were heavily associated with the Faceless Men specifically in the books.
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On May 09 2013 01:46 Chocobo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 08:50 Craze wrote:On May 08 2013 08:35 Acrofales wrote:On May 08 2013 08:01 Requizen wrote:On May 08 2013 07:53 Serek wrote:On May 07 2013 13:53 armada[sb] wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling that Melisandre's shock and interest in the revival of Lord Beric is kind of a clue as to her reviving Jon at Castle Black? My thoughts exactly. It might even be possible that she "learnt" offscreen how to perform the ritual (even though Thoros does mention it is a thing of faith, etc). I also find interesting the mention of the "High Priest" of the Lord of Light. I don't recall the books mentioning anything at all the organization of that faith. They definitely do. One of the POV characters see him in... one of the Free Cities (I can't remember the names). It was either a Tyrion or Quent chapter, where the priest is conducting a mass in the city. Talking about red priests. Anybody find it weird that Thoros and Melisandre greeted each other with Valar Morgulis/Dohaeris as if it held some special significance in their religion? In the books this is quite tightly linked with the Faceless Men, which have nothing to do wtih the Lord of the Light (and most probably quite the opposite: revive vs. kill?) I don't find it that odd, their religion seems pretty stout in demanding service "Valar Doheiris" (all men must serve). They also seem to believe heavily in fate "Valar Morgulis" (all men must die). Put together as two parts of one greeting and i translate it as saying that "to die in the service of the red god is a glorious way of meeting the inevitable." It's not that this doesn't make sense. It's that those words were heavily associated with the Faceless Men specifically in the books.
I was always kind of under the impression that it was more or less a formal greeting in the Free Cities. Arya says it to some commoners during her training in AFfC if I remember correctly, though they may have been connected to the Faceless Men. I could have sworn I remember Illyrio use it at one point or another too.
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On May 09 2013 00:24 Aristodemus wrote:
The show is making things clearer than in the books though, and especially Robb's situation more grim. I can see that many people could predict the RW. As for the actors, I agree that most of them are great especially Tywin and Stannis. Jaime's actor can speak better English than I could too and he is Danish!
He's also sickeningly handsome.
I'm desperately hoping that dude's gay; how are we supposed to compete with this?
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On May 09 2013 01:15 Poetry wrote:
By the way I wonder what you all think of the idea that Melisandre is actually a Shadow Priestess and not a priestess of R'Hllor? As far as I can remember her only displayed magical talents are to make shadow assassins and be immune to poison, but not resurrect people like Thoros, and she seems extremely keen on human sacrifice.
I thought R'hlorr was the god of Fire and Shadows, thus making the shadow assassins part of his portfolio? Shadows are born from light, not darkness.
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On May 08 2013 20:19 Kipsate wrote:
GoT has too many good actors wtf. Bolton is so scary.
I honestly think House Bolton is perhaps the most interesting family in GoT, and I'm glad to see that they aren't pulling any punches with the portrayal of Ramsay. I can't wait until Roose and the Bastard Boys get more screen time.
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On May 09 2013 03:35 Whitewing wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 01:15 Poetry wrote:
By the way I wonder what you all think of the idea that Melisandre is actually a Shadow Priestess and not a priestess of R'Hllor? As far as I can remember her only displayed magical talents are to make shadow assassins and be immune to poison, but not resurrect people like Thoros, and she seems extremely keen on human sacrifice. I thought R'hlorr was the god of Fire and Shadows, thus making the shadow assassins part of his portfolio? Shadows are born from light, not darkness.
Not to mention from her POV chapters we're pretty much assured that she is serving R'hlorr.
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Funny thought came to me - compared to Ramsay, Joeffrey is nothing more than just a naughty, troubled child.
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Joffrey seems pretty much like Ramsay, except he has to hold back and keep up appearances as a prince/king.
With him killing beggars (books) and a tied-up prostitute (tv) with a crossbow, I think he's not far off from torturing people.
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On May 09 2013 02:02 kafkaesque wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2013 00:24 Aristodemus wrote:
The show is making things clearer than in the books though, and especially Robb's situation more grim. I can see that many people could predict the RW. As for the actors, I agree that most of them are great especially Tywin and Stannis. Jaime's actor can speak better English than I could too and he is Danish! He's also sickeningly handsome. I'm desperately hoping that dude's gay; how are we supposed to compete with this?
There's about 3.5billion women in the world. I don't think he can satisfy all of them. Don't despair yet 
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Which would you prefer to have.
Joffrey torturing Ramsay, or Ramsay torturing Joffrey.
I think it's a no-brainer
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