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On May 07 2013 20:38 ACrow wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ... Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him. That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir.
Errr, Cersei (and Tywin, and everybody else) thinks Tyrion kills Joffrey, which leads to all of the subsequent shit. So regardless of who actually did it, they can't really lay the blame on the Queen of Thorns without rewriting one of the most crucial developments in Tyrion's story.
And as you say, it still leaves the Tyrells without a heir.
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On May 07 2013 12:44 Kevin_Sorbo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 12:38 tshi wrote:
Man, I still get chills from Petyr's speech. I have a hard time taking him seriously, every time he talks I cant help but notice how he speaks like Shawn Michaels. Man Joffrey is a sick fuck though.
At least it got rid of Ros 
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The last we know of Loras in the books is that he is fatally wounded and dying on Dragenstone, right? Or is he dead already?
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On May 07 2013 22:24 Acrofales wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 20:38 ACrow wrote:On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ... Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him. That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir. Errr, Cersei (and Tywin, and everybody else) thinks Tyrion kills Joffrey, which leads to all of the subsequent shit. So regardless of who actually did it, they can't really lay the blame on the Queen of Thorns without rewriting one of the most crucial developments in Tyrion's story. And as you say, it still leaves the Tyrells without a heir.
I didn't say they'd blame her, just that she did it (as she most likely did in the books as well, according to Littlefinger at least, with his help of course). Cersei would think Tyrion is the murderer and would still assign Loras to the Kingsguard after Tywin dies, just because she can and doesn't want to marry Loras at all. Remember, she dislikes the Tyrells and doesn't give a shit if she offends an ally (see bank of Braavos etc.). So they wouldn't need to change the Tyrion storyline at all.
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On May 07 2013 22:36 zatic wrote:
The last we know of Loras in the books is that he is fatally wounded and dying on Dragenstone, right? Or is he dead already?
He is alive, but maimed and disfigured by boiling oil last we heard of him and still on Dragonstone.
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On May 07 2013 22:36 zatic wrote:
The last we know of Loras in the books is that he is fatally wounded and dying on Dragenstone, right? Or is he dead already?
Yea we're not sure, but the reports are that he is alived but severely maimed from the battle. Since we're on the subject, we also don't know if Jon or Brienne are dead or alive. Or is Brienne confirmed to be dead?
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Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie.
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On May 07 2013 23:46 TheFish7 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 22:36 zatic wrote:
The last we know of Loras in the books is that he is fatally wounded and dying on Dragenstone, right? Or is he dead already? Yea we're not sure, but the reports are that he is alived but severely maimed from the battle. Since we're on the subject, we also don't know if Jon or Brienne are dead or alive. Or is Brienne confirmed to be dead?
It would strike me as very odd to give us a cliffhanger only to let them actually die/confirm their deaths in the next book. While I would like to see Jon die I doubt that it is likely.
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On May 08 2013 00:51 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 23:46 TheFish7 wrote:On May 07 2013 22:36 zatic wrote:
The last we know of Loras in the books is that he is fatally wounded and dying on Dragenstone, right? Or is he dead already? Yea we're not sure, but the reports are that he is alived but severely maimed from the battle. Since we're on the subject, we also don't know if Jon or Brienne are dead or alive. Or is Brienne confirmed to be dead? It would strike me as very odd to give us a cliffhanger only to let them actually die/confirm their deaths in the next book. While I would like to see Jon die I doubt that it is likely.
If Jon did die(Which seems kinda likely as iirc they stabbed him with quite a few daggers?) I'm calling Melisandre to bring him back to life!
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On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie.
GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended.
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On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended.
If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive.
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On May 08 2013 03:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended. If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive.
That man hides entire worlds in some lines. If you don't read very carefully you miss so many clues. Like Melisandre telling Jon about seeing his stabbing in her fires in the first Jon chapter of ADWD.
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On May 08 2013 03:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended. If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive.
I guess I missed that. I've really been meaning to re-read ADwD, but I still remember the early chapters so clearly that I can't get into them.
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On May 08 2013 03:51 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 03:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended. If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive. I guess I missed that. I've really been meaning to re-read ADwD, but I still remember the early chapters so clearly that I can't get into them.
Mix it up with feast. I found that to be easier to read.
This one is a good list for a combined read: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons
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On May 08 2013 04:25 Doppelganger wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 03:51 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2013 03:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended. If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive. I guess I missed that. I've really been meaning to re-read ADwD, but I still remember the early chapters so clearly that I can't get into them. Mix it up with feast. I found that to be easier to read. This one is a good list for a combined read: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons
Hmm that might actually work...
Now to go out and buy a new copy of Feast because my ex stole mine when she moved out. o_O
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On May 08 2013 05:41 Dosey wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2013 04:25 Doppelganger wrote:On May 08 2013 03:51 Dosey wrote:On May 08 2013 03:21 DeepElemBlues wrote:On May 08 2013 01:32 Dosey wrote:On May 07 2013 23:53 Zozo wrote:
Well Brienne seems to be alive, but you can never tell with GRRM. Could be Jaime hallucinating, a faceless or even a zombie. GRRM confirmed in multiple interviews that Brienne is alive and that she shouted "sword!" or whatever the word to save her own hide was before the chapter ended. If you read the last Jaime chapter of ADwD Brienne comes into his camp and Jaime leaves with her. GRRM just doesn't use the name "Brienne" in that last Jaime chapter to make it less obvious that she's alive. I guess I missed that. I've really been meaning to re-read ADwD, but I still remember the early chapters so clearly that I can't get into them. Mix it up with feast. I found that to be easier to read. This one is a good list for a combined read: http://boiledleather.com/post/24543217702/a-proposed-a-feast-for-crows-a-dance-with-dragons Hmm that might actually work... Now to go out and buy a new copy of Feast because my ex stole mine when she moved out. o_O
Dang that sucks bro.
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Or listen to the excellent audio books by Roy Dotrice. I haven't even touched my copy of Feast.
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I read "ball of beasts" style for my season 3 read and did not like it. There really are too many different PoVs in books four and five and a few of the 'reveal' type events are written with the book 4 and 5 divide in place. I had hoped that it would be good because I figure something like that is what the show has to do. They can't cut half the cast for a season or whatever then cut the other half for the next season or however long.
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On May 07 2013 13:53 armada[sb] wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling that Melisandre's shock and interest in the revival of Lord Beric is kind of a clue as to her reviving Jon at Castle Black?
My thoughts exactly. It might even be possible that she "learnt" offscreen how to perform the ritual (even though Thoros does mention it is a thing of faith, etc).
I also find interesting the mention of the "High Priest" of the Lord of Light. I don't recall the books mentioning anything at all the organization of that faith.
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On May 08 2013 07:53 Serek wrote:Show nested quote +On May 07 2013 13:53 armada[sb] wrote:
Does anyone else get the feeling that Melisandre's shock and interest in the revival of Lord Beric is kind of a clue as to her reviving Jon at Castle Black? My thoughts exactly. It might even be possible that she "learnt" offscreen how to perform the ritual (even though Thoros does mention it is a thing of faith, etc). I also find interesting the mention of the "High Priest" of the Lord of Light. I don't recall the books mentioning anything at all the organization of that faith.
They definitely do. One of the POV characters see him in... one of the Free Cities (I can't remember the names). It was either a Tyrion or Quent chapter, where the priest is conducting a mass in the city.
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