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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Elegy
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States1629 Posts
May 07 2013 02:22 GMT
#6061
On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
This episode was great. Predictions for next episode:

1. Sam becomes Sam the Slayer
2. Tyrion and Sansa marriage
3. Arya gets abducted by the Hound
4. Dany marches on Yunkai

I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. This episode they really left no wiggle room regarding having a Willas squirreled away back hom in Highgarden. And while they left it somewhat ambiguous my interpretation of the scen was that the Queen of Thorns agreed to the marriage. Really strange.


I thought the woman breaking the quill was pretty clear, Tywin was going to sign Loras over to the Kingsguard with that order and the woman snapped the quill after complimenting Tywin on how he lives up to his reputation as a brilliant political player. I like how it represented an effective concession by the Queen of Thorns, classy and subtle at the same time.
tshi
Profile Joined September 2012
United States2495 Posts
May 07 2013 03:38 GMT
#6062
Man, I still get chills from Petyr's speech.
scrub - inexperienced player with relatively little skill and excessive arrogance
Kevin_Sorbo
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3217 Posts
May 07 2013 03:44 GMT
#6063
On May 07 2013 12:38 tshi wrote:
Man, I still get chills from Petyr's speech.


I have a hard time taking him seriously, every time he talks I cant help but notice how he speaks like Shawn Michaels.

Man Joffrey is a sick fuck though.

The mind is like a parachute, it doesnt work unless its open. - Zappa
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
May 07 2013 04:53 GMT
#6064
Does anyone else get the feeling that Melisandre's shock and interest in the revival of Lord Beric is kind of a clue as to her reviving Jon at Castle Black?
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
May 07 2013 05:50 GMT
#6065
Thought it was another fantastic episode. Wish they hadn't removed the Tyrell brothers, but aside from that, was a blast to watch
Second favorite strategy game of all time: Starcraft. First: Go (aka Wei Qi, Paduk, or Igo)
kafkaesque
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Germany2006 Posts
May 07 2013 06:40 GMT
#6066
On May 07 2013 11:19 furerkip wrote:


Like, if you think about it, Varys gives his entire being to keeping the Realm in check with the Throne; he wants the Throne to be satisfied, he's just another person kissing the feet of the King (albeit one of the smarter ones).
l


That dude is in for a huge surprise.
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zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 07 2013 08:43 GMT
#6067
On May 06 2013 20:13 risk.nuke wrote:
Loved the epsiode, especially the Thoros/Melisandre dialogue was a pleasant surprise for one who generally doesn't enjoy going of book.

and lol they've changed the loras tyrell wiki.
http://gameofthrones.wikia.com/wiki/Loras_Tyrell
like two weeks ago that page confirmed Garlan and Willas.
I thought the site was somewhat official by HBO but I guess it's just a private person running it.

Concerning the RW party poopers. Read their posts. It's blastedly obvious they know what's coming. Not guessing.
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 05:36 duoform wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:27 Whitewing wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:24 duoform wrote:
On May 06 2013 05:19 PerryHooter wrote:
On May 06 2013 04:25 CrimsonLotus wrote:
On May 06 2013 03:46 revoN wrote:
On May 06 2013 03:44 Hier wrote:
One thing I don't get is what is he even going to ask of Frey? He has Frey's entire army, save for the 400 men Frey left for himself.

Wasn't it implied that Frey's men may have left Robb's forces the day he married that foreigner girl?


Just by common sense you can assume they did, but the show did a fairly poor job of showing it.

Infact, if you really think about there is no reason whatsoever for Robb to go to the Freys if he wants to attack Castlely Rock, the Freys aren't a military power house and the men they gave him were hardly a balance changer, what made them so important was the position of their castle which was needed to access the south. Since Robb is planning to attack west he doesn't really need them.

In other words, the show writers dun goofed.


It's not enough to tip the balance in the war as a whole no, but it's enough to take casterly rock, or at least that's what he implied in the last episode.
Exactly how he is going to convince Frey, and what he's planning to do after claiming casterly rock isn't revealed, but it seemed like he had a plan. In other words we were left with a cliff hanger.

I think he will end up marrying the girl he was supposed to marry when he asked the Freys permission to pass the bridge. There's nothing besides that I presume. And to be honest from what we saw from them during Season 1 I would say they couldn't care less about Casterly Rock.


No one who wants anything at all would turn down Casterly Rock if offered it, Casterly Rock is the key to the greatest source of wealth in Westeros. There's a reason the Lannister's are so absurdly rich, they own the gold mines of Casterly Rock.

At this point, without Karstark's army I don't even think they could take Casterly Rock. Like I said before, if the Freys are not happy with Robb it will be easier for them to betray Robb and sell him to the Lannister than joining him again. At least in a logical way of seeing it. What other options would the Freys have?
It's really hard to see a solution to it because Robb could also "easily" take The Twins with his army but lose even more man (considering of course that Walder Frey's army is actually that small).

Look at this asshat for example. This guy tries to claim that he believes Robbs army could easily take the twins at the same time as he think Freys could easily betray Robb (and sell him to the Lannisters, details makes it extra obvious)

It's one thing guessing that Freys would want revenge against Robb. Another to "guess" that they can do it "easily" and how they will do it when Robb is the king and has a big ass army Especially when how they can do it isn't possible because there is a missing ingredient. Bolton. But the speculators who "guess" the Freys will betray Robb but doesn't have the slightest theory on how their smaller army would successfully get away with it without getting obliterated by a vengefull larger army.

Nothing wrong with compiling a wall of shame of posters like this I suppose. Want to start? Just collect the links to posts like this one. Mods can still decide what to do with it during / after the season. In any case it would help to keep track of potential vanity spoilers, it's easy to get lost in the 200 posts / day after each episode.
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
zatic
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Zurich15366 Posts
May 07 2013 08:44 GMT
#6068
On May 06 2013 21:23 PredY wrote:
ah completely forgot about the woods witch T_T

Can someone give a TLDR of that chapter? I have zero recollection of Arya meeting some witch TT
ModeratorI know Teamliquid is known as a massive building
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 08:55:12
May 07 2013 08:50 GMT
#6069
On May 07 2013 17:44 zatic wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 06 2013 21:23 PredY wrote:
ah completely forgot about the woods witch T_T

Can someone give a TLDR of that chapter? I have zero recollection of Arya meeting some witch TT


After the fight with the hound, the BWB goes off to some woods where a little old lady (looks a lot like the children of the forest are described as looking like) comes up and asks for a song and some wine for her "dreams". Says some stuff about the dead kings and kings that are about to die (Renly, Balon). Says something about Cat Tully being killed and resurrected.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Ghost_of_High_Heart
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/A_Storm_of_Swords-Chapter_22
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
crow_mw
Profile Joined March 2012
Poland115 Posts
May 07 2013 09:32 GMT
#6070
I remember when I read the book I thought that the woodwitch was actually Maggy the Frog. Apparently however there is nothing that suggests it ?
armada[sb]
Profile Joined August 2011
United States432 Posts
May 07 2013 09:41 GMT
#6071
Most of the people at the westeros forums seem to think that it's not her, but rather that the Ghost of High Heart (the woods witch) is actually one of the Children of the Forest.

Interestingly, it appears she may be the one who made the "prince that was promised" prophecy.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jenny_(Oldstones)
#Hitpoint @ GameSurge (IDLE=BAN)
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
May 07 2013 10:49 GMT
#6072
On May 07 2013 18:41 armada[sb] wrote:
Most of the people at the westeros forums seem to think that it's not her, but rather that the Ghost of High Heart (the woods witch) is actually one of the Children of the Forest.

Interestingly, it appears she may be the one who made the "prince that was promised" prophecy.

http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Jenny_(Oldstones)

Yes, she is supposed to been a friend of Raegar or something. Also in later Bran chapters I think she is the one talking to Bran when he arrives at the cave in the North. The female child of the forest he talks to says she traveled a lot but now returned.
ACrow
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany6583 Posts
May 07 2013 11:38 GMT
#6073
On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ...

Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him.
That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir.
Get off my lawn, young punks
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-07 12:00:20
May 07 2013 11:44 GMT
#6074
On May 07 2013 20:38 ACrow wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ...

Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him.
That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir.

I dont think they would change the Joffrey murder that much. It will still be Littlefinger. Especially after tthey just established him as the super manipulative villain that wants to create chaos.
Off-season = best season
unkkz
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
Norway2196 Posts
May 07 2013 12:11 GMT
#6075
On May 07 2013 20:44 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 20:38 ACrow wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ...

Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him.
That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir.

I dont think they would change the Joffrey murder that much. It will still be Littlefinger. Especially after tthey just established him as the super manipulative villain that wants to create chaos.


Will be fun to see people re-live my own feelings of "OH GOD YES FUCKING DIE!" when Joffrey bites it.
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 07 2013 12:22 GMT
#6076
On May 07 2013 20:44 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 07 2013 20:38 ACrow wrote:
On May 07 2013 09:44 Acrofales wrote:
...I am kinda curious how they are getting themselves out of the Loras-Cersei thing. ...

Queen of Thornes has Joffrey poisoned at the wedding to avoid the wedding of Margaery (Margaery also having confirmed by now that he is indeed a sadist, murderer and pervert). Cersei is then the Queen Regent because Tywin also dies and has the power to send Loras to the Kingsguard so she doesn't have to marry him.
That's one way to solve it, but that would still leave the Tyrells fucked over without an heir.

I dont think they would change the Joffrey murder that much. It will still be Littlefinger. Especially after tthey just established him as the super manipulative villain that wants to create chaos.



Well Queen of Thorns was one of those involved in the poisoning originally, so it wouldn't be that big of a change. Maybe Littlefinger takes a lesser role, but still part of it.
Z-BosoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil2590 Posts
May 07 2013 12:24 GMT
#6077
Man I feel like anti-spoilering the thread...
"You guys are gonna love what happens once Robb gets to Casterly Rock"
Or something like that
I hate those asshat clowns that love making these "correct predictions" and even stating how "obvious" they were... ffs
BlueBird.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States3890 Posts
May 07 2013 12:34 GMT
#6078
I can't read that thread too many trolls, there is a reason I refrain from posting anything, it's cause I can't tell what I'm supposed to know and what 'm not supposed to know based on whats happened in show so far, it kind of blends together with events in my head from the books.

. I don't know why people are trolling the thread, but it's dumb, I really hope that people get bored of it or that it has minimal impact on others enjoyment of the show.
Currently Playing: Android Netrunner, Gwent, Gloomhaven, Board Games
daemir
Profile Joined September 2010
Finland8662 Posts
May 07 2013 12:44 GMT
#6079
I stopped following the other thread once I read the books, shit ain't fair.
zimms
Profile Joined November 2009
Austria561 Posts
May 07 2013 12:48 GMT
#6080
On May 07 2013 08:05 fabiano wrote:
When is Winds of Winter coming out?

oh the wait is long ~~ ~


All GRRM said was that Winter is coming.
No exact date though, could last a couple of years.
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