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On January 17 2013 17:07 itkovian wrote: You can still tell a story from a character's POV without revealing their endgame. GRRM is actually very good at progressing a story and withholding information from the reader at the same time. He does this in A LOT of his chapters. He loves to open up without discussing the resolution to the previous chapter in that character's story. Forcing the reader to delve further into the chapter before feeling satisfied from the cliffhanger before.
Not saying he should, but just saying he could right a chapter from a mysterious character's point of view, without ruining much of the mystery.
The point of POV is for us to understand WHY as well as WHAT that character does certain actions. To do a POV for LF/Euron/Varys etc without spoiling the WHY or WHAT they want would be just about the most boring thing ever unless it's literally those three in the same room together being snide to each other. In which case it would be the best thing ever.
You're good at making things sound so absolute. But things are more complicated than "Yes, this works" or "no, that is the worst idea ever".
I'm pretty sure GRRM could write a chapter about one of the more enigmatic characters that I would enjoy, without ruining the mystery. He could do it by revealing their short term goals without context, so we could watch them operate on a limited bases. And while doing so, he could hint at experiences they've had in the past that help define the character, without addressing what happened specifically. Thus opening up alleys of intrigue, and creating speculation by the readers.
I'm not advocating he should do this. I'm just saying I'm not going to disqualify it until I've seen it done.
Then it would be completely different for ever POV that we've seen. Even Melisandre's, prologues and epilogues have revealed a lot of the characters. If you're not going to reveal anything about how someone ticks in their POV then what's the point? They're basically another Robb or Jorah
like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
when is the winds of winter comng out?????? im desperate to keep reading this series, also are there any books with a similiar dark fantasy setting that you would recommend?
On January 18 2013 12:19 RaMBO2 wrote: when is the winds of winter comng out?????? im desperate to keep reading this series, also are there any books with a similiar dark fantasy setting that you would recommend?
Martin hopes to finish TWOW significantly quicker than AFFC and ADWD, and he said an optimistic date would be three years, but in GRRM time, it means it may be delayed.
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Pssh, obviously Jon returned from the dead as a wight ala Coldhands.
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
What really sells it is that, based on the descriptions she has heard and whatever degree of clairvoyance dragon dreams offer, she specifically mistakes the man for Robert from the appearance.
Back to Ned though, there is a huge difference between subtly hinting at a secret that is the key to a future important revelation and one of the 'puppetmasters' becoming too well known.
Any character who is a POV cannot be too well in the know and/or powerful in driving events. Look at some of the smartest and/or most powerful POVs we do have. Tyrion, intelligent and a very competent schemer, but always in trouble and struggling with the fact that he is a second class person in their society for being a dwarf. Dany, powerful and the driver of important faction(s), but a bit crazy, naive and generally unsure of what to do and how to accomplish her goals. Ned, a high lord, but not too bright and entirely outgunned in the area of political scheming. Melisandre, the exception that reinforces the rule; we get in her head only to learn she isn't all that in the know or powerful.
Now that it's been said directly here I don't think I can use my 'Stannis is a dead man walking' double entendre anymore. I'm left with just my show thread spoilers-that-only-readers-can-recognize posts to joke around in that manner with.
The main problem with a Littlefinger or Varys POV is that even if GRRM withholds the main points, it would be almost impossible for him to not clue in on major secrets/plans while still keeping that chapter relevant. Without any POV chapters, all we know about them is what other people see and think of them, which keeps them interesting as we don't know their end game (i.e, do they want to sit the throne, or help someone else claim it?). Not knowing what they are capable of is pretty important for their roles as well, as unlike most of the other characters, they do not have any large visible power such as magic or armies to support them. Without any of that info, we'll always be left guessing as to what they want and what they can and will do to get it.
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Ahh, that actually makes some sense. How would Mance know about Reek, and get the wax and the seal though? Unless Mance was in a position to acquire them, which would be awesome because that would mean he would likely be inside Winterfell preparing to cause mayhem.It seems like something he would do, because hadn't he snuck into Winterfell before? And also, Mance is playing on all the things he know will bring Jon Snow away from the wall. But for what cause, I wonder? I hope its to get Jon to break his vows and follow in the footsteps of Mance. Almost like Mance is being a father figure, of sorts, to him. He wants to get Jon away from the wall and make a "king" of him, like how he did to himself. I've never considered this before, I need more time to think about it, haha...
but oh yeah... Jon is "dead". So I guess that complicates things even more
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Any character who is a POV cannot be too well in the know and/or powerful in driving events. Look at some of the smartest and/or most powerful POVs we do have. Tyrion, intelligent and a very competent schemer, but always in trouble and struggling with the fact that he is a second class person in their society for being a dwarf. Dany, powerful and the driver of important faction(s), but a bit crazy, naive and generally unsure of what to do and how to accomplish her goals. Ned, a high lord, but not too bright and entirely outgunned in the area of political scheming. Melisandre, the exception that reinforces the rule; we get in her head only to learn she isn't all that in the know or powerful.
Thats actually surprisingly true. We've never seen through the eyes of any of the most successful/competent figures. Like, the ones that are truly at the top of the food chain and know what they're doing. ie Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Euron, Mace, Doran, Renly. Cersei was probably the closest we got. And all her plans when to shit thanks to the High Sparrow.
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Pssh, obviously Jon returned from the dead as a wight ala Coldhands.
That has been warged by Bloodraven who is actually Daario and Benjen's son
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Ahh, that actually makes some sense. How would Mance know about Reek, and get the wax and the seal though? Unless Mance was in a position to acquire them, which would be awesome because that would mean he would likely be inside Winterfell preparing to cause mayhem.It seems like something he would do, because hadn't he snuck into Winterfell before? And also, Mance is playing on all the things he know will bring Jon Snow away from the wall. But for what cause, I wonder? I hope its to get Jon to break his vows and follow in the footsteps of Mance. Almost like Mance is being a father figure, of sorts, to him. He wants to get Jon away from the wall and make a "king" of him, like how he did to himself. I've never considered this before, I need more time to think about it, haha...
but oh yeah... Jon is "dead". So I guess that complicates things even more
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Any character who is a POV cannot be too well in the know and/or powerful in driving events. Look at some of the smartest and/or most powerful POVs we do have. Tyrion, intelligent and a very competent schemer, but always in trouble and struggling with the fact that he is a second class person in their society for being a dwarf. Dany, powerful and the driver of important faction(s), but a bit crazy, naive and generally unsure of what to do and how to accomplish her goals. Ned, a high lord, but not too bright and entirely outgunned in the area of political scheming. Melisandre, the exception that reinforces the rule; we get in her head only to learn she isn't all that in the know or powerful.
Thats actually surprisingly true. We've never seen through the eyes of any of the most successful/competent figures. Like, the ones that are truly at the top of the food chain and know what they're doing. ie Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Euron, Mace, Doran, Renly. Cersei was probably the closest we got. And all her plans when to shit thanks to the High Sparrow.
Our best view of a POV driving events was Tyrion's time as the acting hand during book 2. Otherwise the closest we have been would have been Dany during book 3. Cersei is too frantic, too disorganized and shortsighted, and all around too inept at driving events to score too highly. I'd put her behind John circa book 5 and even Dany post...whatever it is that hit Dany on the head while we were focused on southern westeros with book 4.
On a tangent, I would go as far as to argue that the mere fact we have had Connington as a POV is one of the pieces of evidence that Faegon is fake. That one could slip through though since Connington obviously isn't actually the director of that plot/faction/movement and if Faegon is fake they don't even know it themselves. If the Faegon faction 'goes anywhere' as a powerful entity having it's defacto leader and planner as a POV does not work. Alternatives are available though if Aegon takes over more and/or Connington dies.
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Ahh, that actually makes some sense. How would Mance know about Reek, and get the wax and the seal though? Unless Mance was in a position to acquire them, which would be awesome because that would mean he would likely be inside Winterfell preparing to cause mayhem.It seems like something he would do, because hadn't he snuck into Winterfell before? And also, Mance is playing on all the things he know will bring Jon Snow away from the wall. But for what cause, I wonder? I hope its to get Jon to break his vows and follow in the footsteps of Mance. Almost like Mance is being a father figure, of sorts, to him. He wants to get Jon away from the wall and make a "king" of him, like how he did to himself. I've never considered this before, I need more time to think about it, haha...
but oh yeah... Jon is "dead". So I guess that complicates things even more
On January 18 2013 12:57 Irrelevant Label wrote:
On January 18 2013 12:34 Dakkas wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Any character who is a POV cannot be too well in the know and/or powerful in driving events. Look at some of the smartest and/or most powerful POVs we do have. Tyrion, intelligent and a very competent schemer, but always in trouble and struggling with the fact that he is a second class person in their society for being a dwarf. Dany, powerful and the driver of important faction(s), but a bit crazy, naive and generally unsure of what to do and how to accomplish her goals. Ned, a high lord, but not too bright and entirely outgunned in the area of political scheming. Melisandre, the exception that reinforces the rule; we get in her head only to learn she isn't all that in the know or powerful.
Thats actually surprisingly true. We've never seen through the eyes of any of the most successful/competent figures. Like, the ones that are truly at the top of the food chain and know what they're doing. ie Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Euron, Mace, Doran, Renly. Cersei was probably the closest we got. And all her plans when to shit thanks to the High Sparrow.
Our best view of a POV driving events was Tyrion's time as the acting hand during book 2. Otherwise the closest we have been would have been Dany during book 3. Cersei is too frantic, too disorganized and shortsighted, and all around too inept at driving events to score too highly. I'd put her behind John circa book 5 and even Dany post...whatever it is that hit Dany on the head while we were focused on southern westeros with book 4.
On a tangent, I would go as far as to argue that the mere fact we have had Connington as a POV is one of the pieces of evidence that Faegon is fake. That one could slip through though since Connington obviously isn't actually the director of that plot/faction/movement and if Faegon is fake they don't even know it themselves. If the Faegon faction 'goes anywhere' as a powerful entity having it's defacto leader and planner as a POV does not work. Alternatives are available though if Aegon takes over more and/or Connington dies.
But Connington isn't the mastermind behind their plot, it is Varys and Ilyrio. I agree on Aegon being fake but I think it is not relevant. Only Ilyrio and Varys knows the truth. JC and Aegon thinks he's the real deal... Dorne won't declare for him, so I don't think it matters anyway, Tyrell army >> Golden Company afaik. I dont see Aegon gaining too much ground (only maybe if somehow the Faith declare for him), if he would whats left for Dany to conquer?
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Ahh, that actually makes some sense. How would Mance know about Reek, and get the wax and the seal though? Unless Mance was in a position to acquire them, which would be awesome because that would mean he would likely be inside Winterfell preparing to cause mayhem.It seems like something he would do, because hadn't he snuck into Winterfell before? And also, Mance is playing on all the things he know will bring Jon Snow away from the wall. But for what cause, I wonder? I hope its to get Jon to break his vows and follow in the footsteps of Mance. Almost like Mance is being a father figure, of sorts, to him. He wants to get Jon away from the wall and make a "king" of him, like how he did to himself. I've never considered this before, I need more time to think about it, haha...
but oh yeah... Jon is "dead". So I guess that complicates things even more
On January 18 2013 12:57 Irrelevant Label wrote:
On January 18 2013 12:34 Dakkas wrote:
On January 18 2013 08:27 itkovian wrote: like I said, he could reveal some things without revealing everything. Think of Ned's chapters, for example. They managed to withhold pivotal information, while still being fun to read. We saw from Ned's point of view for a whole book, but we were never explicitly told any of his big secrets.
Though I do understand your point, keep in mind that Ned revealed enough of his biggest secret (Promise Me) for us to get R+L=J
On January 18 2013 12:15 PhoenixVoid wrote: I've always wondered, but what is your opinion on Stannis's supposed death at the hands of Bolton? He mentions Mance and his spearwives, details that would be unknown to the rest of the world. Unless Ramsay has a mole in Stannis's host, I think there is a high possibility that Stannis really was killed, but I always had a lingering feeling this is a fake somehow. GRRM rarely kills such important characters off-page like this, but maybe TWOW will have a backstory to this.
A common theory that I adhere to is that the letter wasn't written by Ramsay and instead by Mance or someone else. A lot of things in that letter Ramsay couldn't know. Additionally Dany has visions of fighting a vast undead host at the Trident atop her dragons, with the host being led by a tall man with blue eyes holding a flaming sword. Remind you of anyone?
Any character who is a POV cannot be too well in the know and/or powerful in driving events. Look at some of the smartest and/or most powerful POVs we do have. Tyrion, intelligent and a very competent schemer, but always in trouble and struggling with the fact that he is a second class person in their society for being a dwarf. Dany, powerful and the driver of important faction(s), but a bit crazy, naive and generally unsure of what to do and how to accomplish her goals. Ned, a high lord, but not too bright and entirely outgunned in the area of political scheming. Melisandre, the exception that reinforces the rule; we get in her head only to learn she isn't all that in the know or powerful.
Thats actually surprisingly true. We've never seen through the eyes of any of the most successful/competent figures. Like, the ones that are truly at the top of the food chain and know what they're doing. ie Tywin, Littlefinger, Varys, Euron, Mace, Doran, Renly. Cersei was probably the closest we got. And all her plans when to shit thanks to the High Sparrow.
Our best view of a POV driving events was Tyrion's time as the acting hand during book 2. Otherwise the closest we have been would have been Dany during book 3. Cersei is too frantic, too disorganized and shortsighted, and all around too inept at driving events to score too highly. I'd put her behind John circa book 5 and even Dany post...whatever it is that hit Dany on the head while we were focused on southern westeros with book 4.
On a tangent, I would go as far as to argue that the mere fact we have had Connington as a POV is one of the pieces of evidence that Faegon is fake. That one could slip through though since Connington obviously isn't actually the director of that plot/faction/movement and if Faegon is fake they don't even know it themselves. If the Faegon faction 'goes anywhere' as a powerful entity having it's defacto leader and planner as a POV does not work. Alternatives are available though if Aegon takes over more and/or Connington dies.
But Connington isn't the mastermind behind their plot, it is Varys and Ilyrio. I agree on Aegon being fake but I think it is not relevant. Only Ilyrio and Varys knows the truth. JC and Aegon thinks he's the real deal... Dorne won't declare for him, so I don't think it matters anyway, Tyrell army >> Golden Company afaik. I dont see Aegon gaining too much ground (only maybe if somehow the Faith declare for him), if he would whats left for Dany to conquer?
why wouldnt Dorne declare for him? Im not saying they must, but i dont see right now why wouldnt they.
Question: I have heard that AFFC and ADWD are happening at the same time, just from the viewpoints of different characters. Are they completely in parallel or does ADWD start a bit later than AFFC or something?
If so, do you think it would be worth it to read both books in parallel as well? I'm quite eager to hear of the other characters again, but I still have 600 pages AFFC to go :D
On January 21 2013 03:28 heishe wrote: Question: I have heard that AFFC and ADWD are happening at the same time, just from the viewpoints of different characters. Are they completely in parallel or does ADWD start a bit later than AFFC or something?
If so, do you think it would be worth it to read both books in parallel as well? I'm quite eager to hear of the other characters again, but I still have 600 pages AFFC to go :D
They both start right after ASOS finishes iirc. The only difference is that ADWD carries the story farther on than where AFFC stops at.
As for reading them simultaneously, I think this is the best guide there is for such a thing,
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