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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
January 21 2013 00:32 GMT
#4241
On January 21 2013 07:53 itkovian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 06:49 Mikau wrote:
Is it me or is it quite obvious and accepted that Mance Rayder is in fact the minstrel (I think it was?) who gets Theon and Jeyne Pool out of Winterfell? Ofcourse he knew all about Theon and what went on at Winterfell, he was there.


Wow

That went right over my head when I was reading. Everything makes a lot more sense now.


You didn't pick it up when one of his "daughters" called the northerners "kneelers"?
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
January 21 2013 02:38 GMT
#4242
On January 21 2013 09:32 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 07:53 itkovian wrote:
On January 21 2013 06:49 Mikau wrote:
Is it me or is it quite obvious and accepted that Mance Rayder is in fact the minstrel (I think it was?) who gets Theon and Jeyne Pool out of Winterfell? Ofcourse he knew all about Theon and what went on at Winterfell, he was there.


Wow

That went right over my head when I was reading. Everything makes a lot more sense now.


You didn't pick it up when one of his "daughters" called the northerners "kneelers"?


I thought Melisandre nearly spelled it out at one point. Something along the lines of Mance being sent south with six spear wives. It isn't a whole lot to guess who that is.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-21 08:26:19
January 21 2013 08:17 GMT
#4243
On January 21 2013 11:38 Irrelevant Label wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 09:32 Dakkas wrote:
On January 21 2013 07:53 itkovian wrote:
On January 21 2013 06:49 Mikau wrote:
Is it me or is it quite obvious and accepted that Mance Rayder is in fact the minstrel (I think it was?) who gets Theon and Jeyne Pool out of Winterfell? Ofcourse he knew all about Theon and what went on at Winterfell, he was there.


Wow

That went right over my head when I was reading. Everything makes a lot more sense now.


You didn't pick it up when one of his "daughters" called the northerners "kneelers"?


I thought Melisandre nearly spelled it out at one point. Something along the lines of Mance being sent south with six spear wives. It isn't a whole lot to guess who that is.

Yes, it was really obvious. I facepalmed hard, cuz it took me longer to get it than it should have What is not obvious, what about that letter, allegedly from Ramsay. Im liking the idea from last page, it being sent by Mance somehow to push Jon into action
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
aloT
Profile Joined April 2010
England1042 Posts
January 21 2013 18:46 GMT
#4244
Out of all the television scenes, I think the one I've rewatched the most is this one:



Followed by the Uncle Tywin scenes, tyrion scenes, syrio scenes.. aww hell, all of it.
itkovian
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1763 Posts
January 21 2013 19:19 GMT
#4245
On January 21 2013 09:32 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 07:53 itkovian wrote:
On January 21 2013 06:49 Mikau wrote:
Is it me or is it quite obvious and accepted that Mance Rayder is in fact the minstrel (I think it was?) who gets Theon and Jeyne Pool out of Winterfell? Ofcourse he knew all about Theon and what went on at Winterfell, he was there.


Wow

That went right over my head when I was reading. Everything makes a lot more sense now.


You didn't pick it up when one of his "daughters" called the northerners "kneelers"?


Nope. lol. Didn't make the connection at all
=)=
TigerKarl
Profile Joined November 2010
1757 Posts
January 21 2013 19:30 GMT
#4246
On January 22 2013 03:46 aloT wrote:
Out of all the television scenes, I think the one I've rewatched the most is this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=21bus2X7GDA

Followed by the Uncle Tywin scenes, tyrion scenes, syrio scenes.. aww hell, all of it.

Ah thanks, i've been thinking about this scene recently. I think this is one of the best examples to show how different the tv Littlefinger is from the book Littlefinger.
aloT
Profile Joined April 2010
England1042 Posts
January 21 2013 22:43 GMT
#4247
I think its an example of the television series bludgeoning alot of exposition into a single scene. Littlefinger now has great reason to want to cause Cersei immense suffering.
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
January 21 2013 23:24 GMT
#4248
In the book and the show he didn't need to want to cause her suffering. He was just moving along with his own plans and contributing to the general political chaos in which he thrives so well. His involvement with getting Joff killed was a freebie for him.
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
January 21 2013 23:28 GMT
#4249
On January 21 2013 08:07 Denzil wrote:
ETA on the next book yet?


According to This, GRRM wants to have it finished much faster than AFFC and ADWD (which took about five years each). But knowing Martin-time, it likely will get delayed.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SigmaoctanusIV
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States3313 Posts
January 21 2013 23:36 GMT
#4250
On January 22 2013 08:28 PhoenixVoid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2013 08:07 Denzil wrote:
ETA on the next book yet?


According to This, GRRM wants to have it finished much faster than AFFC and ADWD (which took about five years each). But knowing Martin-time, it likely will get delayed.


It will probably be released when The TV series is on A Feast for Crows.
I am Godzilla You are Japan
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
January 21 2013 23:40 GMT
#4251
On January 22 2013 08:36 SigmaoctanusIV wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2013 08:28 PhoenixVoid wrote:
On January 21 2013 08:07 Denzil wrote:
ETA on the next book yet?


According to This, GRRM wants to have it finished much faster than AFFC and ADWD (which took about five years each). But knowing Martin-time, it likely will get delayed.


It will probably be released when The TV series is on A Feast for Crows.


Assuming the first and second halves of ACOC in the TV series will finish by at least 2014, it might time well with AFFC TV and the novel version of TWOW.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
SilverLeagueElite
Profile Joined April 2010
United States626 Posts
January 22 2013 00:01 GMT
#4252
It pains me to watch that Cersei & LF scene. LF is much more subtle than as to be so overt to cause an open confrontation. TV LF seems like a totally different character but I guess subtlety doesn't make good television. And I never really see LF as someone who wants to cause suffering. If some get hurt along the way, it's just business and nothing personal.
Geo.Rion
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
7377 Posts
January 22 2013 12:10 GMT
#4253
On January 22 2013 09:01 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
It pains me to watch that Cersei & LF scene. LF is much more subtle than as to be so overt to cause an open confrontation. TV LF seems like a totally different character but I guess subtlety doesn't make good television. And I never really see LF as someone who wants to cause suffering. If some get hurt along the way, it's just business and nothing personal.

nah, it is personal, but as he says in the first season he learned he cannot win in open confrontation, so he works from the background. Sure, that scene looks cool, and satisfies the @letstalkaboutpowereveryepisode concept of season 2, but goes completly against the book character, and even against the character shown in Season 1
"Protoss is a joke" Liquid`Jinro Okt.1. 2011
Monsen
Profile Joined December 2002
Germany2548 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-25 00:20:57
January 25 2013 00:19 GMT
#4254
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now.
11 years and counting- TL #680
hooahah
Profile Joined October 2011
3752 Posts
January 25 2013 00:35 GMT
#4255
On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now.


you missed out then, the only good Dany chapters are in book 3. The Dorne stuff is great, and you read the Cersei chapters in order to appreciate what a fuck up she is, it's all good.

Jon obviously isn't dead, he's going to be revived one way or the other - read the Azor Ahai theory, it fits prefectly

don't skip chapters yo
RaiZ
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
2813 Posts
January 25 2013 00:45 GMT
#4256
Shit, this show is so good. Took them long enough to keep me hooked though. Really liked the targaryen part at the end of season 1 !
Man is least himself when he talks in his own person. Give him a mask, and he will tell you the truth. Oscar Wilde
Kyuukyuu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Canada6263 Posts
January 25 2013 00:59 GMT
#4257
On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now.


who skips chapters then complains about the book, wtf
PhoenixVoid
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Canada32747 Posts
January 25 2013 01:06 GMT
#4258
On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now.


If you are skipping chapters, the series just might not be for you. The whole point of the different stories is the weaving of the plot lines into one coherent story, and if you miss out on the Daeny, Cersei and Dorne stories, you are basically missing out on half the story. And for Jon, he cannot be dead, GRRM has too much invested into Jon to kill him off like that, and he is a candidate for Azor Ahai, a foreshadowed hero.
I'm afraid of demented knife-wielding escaped lunatic libertarian zombie mutants
Dakkas
Profile Joined October 2010
2550 Posts
January 25 2013 03:14 GMT
#4259
On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now.


Dany's chapters is aSoS are her best, Cersei and Tyrell/Dorne plots are both in AFfC. You're so clueless that you don't even get the books right
Irrelevant Label
Profile Joined January 2012
United States596 Posts
January 25 2013 04:07 GMT
#4260
On January 22 2013 09:01 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
It pains me to watch that Cersei & LF scene. LF is much more subtle than as to be so overt to cause an open confrontation. TV LF seems like a totally different character but I guess subtlety doesn't make good television. And I never really see LF as someone who wants to cause suffering. If some get hurt along the way, it's just business and nothing personal.


The scene itself was good, and as a Cersei scene it is great. The ridiculousness of the simon says act is perfect for almost-childish-when-she-is-angry Cersei and the lack of a grasp on what makes power fits her perfectly. Closing with the urchin to make it clear that Varys "won" this confrontation was a nice touch too.

As Geo said it just makes no sense for Littlefinger and it isn't even a book vs. show thing. It disagrees with his previous portrayal in the show even. Oh well, in scenes since he seemed to be back on his usual. It is a slip but in the grand scheme of things I forgive it easily. I think there are bigger things to worry about the show doing 'wrong', all while at the end of the day they are doing pretty well.
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