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On January 25 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now. If you are skipping chapters, the series just might not be for you. The whole point of the different stories is the weaving of the plot lines into one coherent story, and if you miss out on the Daeny, Cersei and Dorne stories, you are basically missing out on half the story. And for Jon, he cannot be dead, GRRM has too much invested into Jon to kill him off like that, and he is a candidate for Azor Ahai, a foreshadowed hero.
A valid point. This might just not be for me, no matter how butthurt some fans with lacking reading comprehension get over someone not liking their favorite book. While I enjoy Martins world and several characters the constant switches mostly interrupt the flow of the storytelling for me. I remember having similar problems in the beginning of the wheel of time saga but since Jordan uses the same main Characters throughout, I started to enjoy all of them eventually.
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On January 25 2013 12:14 Dakkas wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now. Dany's chapters is aSoS are her best, Cersei and Tyrell/Dorne plots are both in AFfC. You're so clueless that you don't even get the books right
Let me help you out with an example here:
"I started ignoring stupid posters (user1,2,3) on page 213." This sentence does not say that all those "clueless" posters are on page 213, see? Some of them might, for example, post on page 214.
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Zurich15365 Posts
Really no need here to be so aggressive, people.
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Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all?
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On January 26 2013 05:00 aloT wrote:
Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all?
I expect Selmy to attack against Yunkai very soon after the provocation from the catapults likely carrying diseased corpses or the hostages. Probably going to get owned or end in a stalemate, and then the Second Sons under Tyrion's control comes to their aid. They begin to push back the Yunkai, and then Dany sweeps in with a khalasar and puts the nail in the coffin for Yunkai. While this is happening, Victarion ravages the Yunkai and enters the city, dealing massive damage and essentially ending this whole story. Tyrion meets Dany, and Victarion introduces himself.
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On January 26 2013 05:00 aloT wrote:
Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all?
With a sword stroke. I'd kill everyone but Dany and Selmy. Victarion adds nothing to the story, as Dany has had to deal with powerful, brutal men plenty of times already. As for Tyrion, much as I love him, his story could have ended easily when he left westeros. Dany, honestly, could easily have never been a pov char until arriving at westeros. Important for her to arrive eventually though. All the books have foreshadowed some kind of eventual retribution over the war of usurpation, the continued existence of loyalists, old guard like Selmy who grow to hate the new regimes... That's why his story isn't over yet either.
Even a great writer makes mistakes and I think the inclusion of Dany as a pov was probably martins biggest mistake in the series. Some other strong female pov could have been included in westeros proper and the story would have been much tighter and not all over the place with random chars coming and going in the other continent.
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On January 25 2013 19:27 Monsen wrote:Show nested quote +On January 25 2013 10:06 PhoenixVoid wrote:On January 25 2013 09:19 Monsen wrote:
Holy fucking hell. I just sort of reached the end of the latest book and I'm getting pretty annoyed with Martin. Halfway through book 3 I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys, Cercei and the whole Tyrrell/Dorne conspiracies). Halfway through book 4 all my favorite characters were either dead or mia and it turns out Dany will be central to the series. Ooook. So I made it through book 5 which was completely filled with characters I couldn't care less about, And now that the whole Night watch story has gotten interesting he fucking kills off Jon.
So pissed right now. If you are skipping chapters, the series just might not be for you. The whole point of the different stories is the weaving of the plot lines into one coherent story, and if you miss out on the Daeny, Cersei and Dorne stories, you are basically missing out on half the story. And for Jon, he cannot be dead, GRRM has too much invested into Jon to kill him off like that, and he is a candidate for Azor Ahai, a foreshadowed hero. A valid point. This might just not be for me, no matter how butthurt some fans with lacking reading comprehension get over someone not liking their favorite book. While I enjoy Martins world and several characters the constant switches mostly interrupt the flow of the storytelling for me. I remember having similar problems in the beginning of the wheel of time saga but since Jordan uses the same main Characters throughout, I started to enjoy all of them eventually.
Are you really trying to pretend your original post wasn't pointless whining? If you had just phrased your first post the way you did this one, nobody would be bothered by it at all. It's a fair point. I don't like reading about Brienne, or Bran, or ADWD-Dany either. You don't have to enjoy every facet of his storytelling to enjoy the story or post in this thread. But posting stuff like this
I started skipping over the characters that bored me (namely Daenerys) [...] it turns out Dany will be central to the series.[...] So pissed right now.
is not how you vent about that. And I'd hope it's extremely obvious why people would take offense to that.
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On January 26 2013 05:19 Zahir wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 05:00 aloT wrote:
Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all? With a sword stroke. I'd kill everyone but Dany and Selmy. Victarion adds nothing to the story, as Dany has had to deal with powerful, brutal men plenty of times already. As for Tyrion, much as I love him, his story could have ended easily when he left westeros. Dany, honestly, could easily have never been a pov char until arriving at westeros. Important for her to arrive eventually though. All the books have foreshadowed some kind of eventual retribution over the war of usurpation, the continued existence of loyalists, old guard like Selmy who grow to hate the new regimes... That's why his story isn't over yet either. Even a great writer makes mistakes and I think the inclusion of Dany as a pov was probably martins biggest mistake in the series. Some other strong female pov could have been included in westeros proper and the story would have been much tighter and not all over the place with random chars coming and going in the other continent.
Her PoV would have been justified had Martin plotted the series better and had her arriving on the shores of Westeros at the end of Storm of Swords. Instead we just continue with this shaggy dog story.
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I do agree that it saddens me that so much has been written about a girl who does so little, whereas I have been absolutely starved for two books now about arya and sansa. I think the politics of The Vale are INFINITELY x INFINITELY more interesting than the politics in Slavers Bay, which is less politics and more who has the bigger army.
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On January 26 2013 06:01 aloT wrote:
I do agree that it saddens me that so much has been written about a girl who does so little, whereas I have been absolutely starved for two books now about arya and sansa. I think the politics of The Vale are INFINITELY x INFINITELY more interesting than the politics in Slavers Bay, which is less politics and more who has the bigger army.
imo the Vale storyline is interesting precisely because we know so little, and the few revelations are through a non-powerplayer pov. Slavers Bay got boring in the fifth with the 10+ Dany chapters and little happening,
That said, i absolutely was hooked by Quentynn s struggle. I would say GRRM didnt solve the whole how-to-get-danny-into-the-real-things perfectly, since admittedly he didnt anticipate he would have so much to write about the conflicts and sub-plots in westeros. Untill Tyrion arrived to Essos there were little to no secondary storylines, only the slow-moving danny pov, and even the infusion of Tyrion into Essos didnt quite solve the problem. I still loved the ADWD though, and looking forward a lot for tWoW
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I wonder what Rickon's role is going to be. It looks to me like his only purpose is to stay alive with no actual story and eventually rebuild the Stark line at the end of the series.
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The only chapters I parse through arebrienne's chapters. Her storyline is so pointless seeing as how you know her quest will be futile because arya and Sansa are nowhere close to where she's looking
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On January 26 2013 05:31 teapot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 05:19 Zahir wrote:On January 26 2013 05:00 aloT wrote:
Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all? With a sword stroke. I'd kill everyone but Dany and Selmy. Victarion adds nothing to the story, as Dany has had to deal with powerful, brutal men plenty of times already. As for Tyrion, much as I love him, his story could have ended easily when he left westeros. Dany, honestly, could easily have never been a pov char until arriving at westeros. Important for her to arrive eventually though. All the books have foreshadowed some kind of eventual retribution over the war of usurpation, the continued existence of loyalists, old guard like Selmy who grow to hate the new regimes... That's why his story isn't over yet either. Even a great writer makes mistakes and I think the inclusion of Dany as a pov was probably martins biggest mistake in the series. Some other strong female pov could have been included in westeros proper and the story would have been much tighter and not all over the place with random chars coming and going in the other continent. Her PoV would have been justified had Martin plotted the series better and had her arriving on the shores of Westeros at the end of Storm of Swords. Instead we just continue with this shaggy dog story.
Ahahaha, that's great. If that's actually a commonly known trope in writing, I guarantee George R.R. Martin is clever enough to incorporate a subtle joke like that into his story 
*Cough* Rickon's wolf is called shaggydog *cough*
I'm actually still laughing at that, thanks for sharing. Good stuff.
Oh George R. R. Martin.
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On January 27 2013 02:25 BallinWitStalin wrote:Ahahaha, that's great. If that's actually a commonly known trope in writing, I guarantee George R.R. Martin is clever enough to incorporate a subtle joke like that into his story *Cough* Rickon's wolf is called shaggydog *cough* I'm actually still laughing at that, thanks for sharing. Good stuff. Oh George R. R. Martin.
Wow... I just lost all hope that Rickon is gonna do anything at all...
Now I just expect that in TWOW Martin will just have someone say: "Rickon was eaten by the canibals." And thats the end of him. 
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noooo not Rickon 
wouldn t it be way more funny when danny just gets killed by the khal after threatening him with Dragon ?
i mean the whole story suddenly had 8 protagonists sitting in Mereen with out any clue what to do now XD
ah na better not , Martin allready killed the starks what made me depressive as i read it the first time (around 15 years ago now)
so => go danny go ! xD
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It all comes down to being Phyllis Eisenstein's fault.
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Wow, shaggydog.. It all makes sense now!
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Canada11520 Posts
On January 26 2013 05:31 teapot wrote:Show nested quote +On January 26 2013 05:19 Zahir wrote:On January 26 2013 05:00 aloT wrote:
Dany is in the middle of nowhere, and has been picked up by a Khal. Mereen is now under the effective control of Selmy. The Second Sons + Tyrion and the Iron Fleet are expositionally ready to arrive at any moment. How would you guys now take off where Martin has ended ADWD and solve this stupid knot once and for all? With a sword stroke. I'd kill everyone but Dany and Selmy. Victarion adds nothing to the story, as Dany has had to deal with powerful, brutal men plenty of times already. As for Tyrion, much as I love him, his story could have ended easily when he left westeros. Dany, honestly, could easily have never been a pov char until arriving at westeros. Important for her to arrive eventually though. All the books have foreshadowed some kind of eventual retribution over the war of usurpation, the continued existence of loyalists, old guard like Selmy who grow to hate the new regimes... That's why his story isn't over yet either. Even a great writer makes mistakes and I think the inclusion of Dany as a pov was probably martins biggest mistake in the series. Some other strong female pov could have been included in westeros proper and the story would have been much tighter and not all over the place with random chars coming and going in the other continent. Her PoV would have been justified had Martin plotted the series better and had her arriving on the shores of Westeros at the end of Storm of Swords. Instead we just continue with this shaggy dog story.
Yeah, honestly my patience was tried after the first book with how little the Dany story connected to everything else. If it had connected by the third, I would have been alright with it (to some extent). But the fact that her story is still about hanging out on the wrong continent...\
Perhaps I would have a different view of it if Dany's story was the only story. The stand alone, behind the scenes book.
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It's less to do with the fact that it's unconnected and more that her char just isn't badass. Arya is hanging around the Free Cities and completely disattached and on the wrong continent but totally awesome.
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On January 27 2013 07:22 aloT wrote:
It's less to do with the fact that it's unconnected and more that her char just isn't badass. Arya is hanging around the Free Cities and completely disattached and on the wrong continent but totally awesome.
the noticable difference between the two cases is that Danny has been on Essos for 5 books, and Arya had 5 chapters on Braavos
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