EPTMore like tormunds boy, that way he, tormund and ghost can go own the world as a threesome.
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brian
United States9642 Posts
More like tormunds boy, that way he, tormund and ghost can go own the world as a threesome. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
I still think GRRM gave it away all the way back when first confronted with the theory (circa book 2? when the evidence was much thinner) by simply responding with a comment on how back in the day such subtle hints might be found by one in a couple hundred readers and they might happen to tell a friend who also reads the book but now ideas spread on the internet and all the interested fans end up knowing. There is of course a chance at this point that it will turn into something of a "troll". I intend to be non aggressively sarcastic/smart-ass with this: A character said something? And it wasn't Bloodraven or Quaithe? And furthermore it was low confidence/rumor spreading type information even according to that character? I guess we can submit this evidence, but if we do then the writings of these monkeys I had pounding on keyboards in the wait for Dance gets to be submitted to. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On December 01 2012 10:57 Irrelevant Label wrote: GRRM said that she, or at least the knowledge of who she was, is. That is more or less the final straw in R+L=J being the only option that is credible at this point. If it is something else then that something is not among the presently known options, because all options involving Eddard as the father do not involve mothers who could be introduced as someone who matters at this point. I still think GRRM gave it away all the way back when first confronted with the theory (circa book 2? when the evidence was much thinner) by simply responding with a comment on how back in the day such subtle hints might be found by one in a couple hundred readers and they might happen to tell a friend who also reads the book but now ideas spread on the internet and all the interested fans end up knowing. There is of course a chance at this point that it will turn into something of a "troll". I intend to be non aggressively sarcastic/smart-ass with this: A character said something? And it wasn't Bloodraven or Quaithe? And furthermore it was low confidence/rumor spreading type information even according to that character? I guess we can submit this evidence, but if we do then the writings of these monkeys I had pounding on keyboards in the wait for Dance gets to be submitted to. I do apologize if your fan theory sensibilities were offended; I wasn't trying to propose that as some super legit theory or anything, but I recall reading it, and it's the only actual direct explanation given in the books. Reading more on the RLJ stuff, though, it seems reasonable enough, though I'd hold back on saying it's the *only* feasible explanation, but that's just me. | ||
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Thorakh
Netherlands1788 Posts
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Ace
United States16096 Posts
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domane
Canada1606 Posts
On November 28 2012 16:34 Brett wrote: I felt it was forced as well.I finally finished ADWD a couple of days ago, and this was exactly how I felt about it... After all the shit he'd been through and done, he just suddenly tosses it all aside and incites the wildlings into going to war with him????? Sad. There were other ways for Martin to kill him if that was necessary  That and Jon ordering a suicide mission to rescue wildlings at Hardhome. | ||
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NotSorry
United States6722 Posts
On December 01 2012 09:19 marttorn wrote: what's that, the third character that we think is dead but isn't? Brienne, Catelyn being the two others. It was implied that Brienne died in AFFC. Thought it was very obvious that Brienne gave in to their demands to save Podrick from being hanged | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
On December 01 2012 19:41 marttorn wrote: I do apologize if your fan theory sensibilities were offended; I wasn't trying to propose that as some super legit theory or anything, but I recall reading it, and it's the only actual direct explanation given in the books. Reading more on the RLJ stuff, though, it seems reasonable enough, though I'd hold back on saying it's the *only* feasible explanation, but that's just me. It might be better if my first statement were reworded to accommodate the possibility of "unknown other" as credible. The needed clarification is that among the known options I think it is the only one that is credible. The unknown options in their many forms could also be credible. Evidence in asoiaf is a funny thing because of how far GRRM goes with portraying the realistic fallibility of his characters and their thoughts compared to the fantasy norm. Most proposed models for an uncertain idea need to be derived from multiple sources and/or reasoned out rather than ever taking any character statement at face value. There is a lot of judging of sources and analysis of their biases and other limitations to be done. With of course two exceptions who are kept in check by speaking little and in almost riddle-like or otherwise muffled ways. My smart-ass comment was just me trying to say this in a way that contributed to keeping my sarcasm quota up. | ||
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On December 02 2012 03:53 NotSorry wrote: Thought it was very obvious that Brienne gave in to their demands to save Podrick from being hanged If I can recall, the chapter ended with brienne seeing Podrick and Hyle wiggling around after being hanged, while Brienne describes the extreme pain of being hanged, then she says one last word before the chapter ends. Though thinking about it, it does make sense that she'd give in and agree to kill Jaime if it spares her/podrick's/Hyle's life. Sometimes I'm not the most observant of readers; for example it never dawned on me that the singer and the wildlings that save Theon are Mance and his spearwives. Thinking back it's the most obvious thing imaginable, haha. | ||
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Emon_
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Dingo_egret
Brazil97 Posts
 I never realized the Frey pies, Theon's castration, and Loras/Renly affair on my own, even though they were actually rather obvious. Gay Jon Connington was just stunningly in your face, IMO, but some people didn't realize or even agree with it.Regarding the show, season 3 fast approaches! I loved season 1 but I must say that while season 2 was good, I felt it could have been a bit closer to the book. They changed Littlefinger too much for my tastes (he is my favorite character so I'm a bit picky, though). Shae's betrayal will also be hard to swallow the way they have presented her. Catelyn's family will need to be introduced at some point or another, and I will feel saddened if they cut out the Blackfish completly; and their saving of the Tully family for later will only complicate viewers' understanding as a whole bunch of people are introduced at once, it seems. Will also be very pissed if they decided to cut lady Olenna Tyrell, seeing as they have already merged some of her personality with Marge, it seems. Among other things, such as Jeyne Westerling (don't even remeber what the new girl's name is). I just hope they pull off the Weddings very well and the feeling of successive climaxes that is the third book, while also turning the fourth and fifth ones into just one story which I find makes for a more interesting one (see All Leather Must Be Boiled's proposed re-read of those books). | ||
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
Never saw Frey pies until it was pointed out. Thought Theon's castration was assumed given the rest of what was done to him, but didn't register the 'hints' confirming it until later when he more or less said it outright. Loras/Renly was not even hidden. Multiple characters call Loras/Renly a couple in no uncertain terms, even if in jest, then there was Sansa's conversation with Loras. Far more obvious than Connington's sexuality (which I'm not entirely sold on, but it seems likely enough). Olenna is their biggest cast addition in terms of the producers expressing excitement about who they got to play the part. She is in. Same with the Blackfish (and Edmure, *whew*, that was one of the character "merges" I had been worried they might do). ...must...resist...urge...to...quote...stupid...primitive...girls... I think they might chicken out and change where Shae/Tyrion goes for the sake of some kind of aversion to things being too bloody and 'terrible'. That or this is a matter of compensating for lack of exposition in a show in terms of Tyrion's thoughts on her by making the relationship stronger on the surface. | ||
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Kyuukyuu
Canada6263 Posts
IMO worst part of season 2 was having Jaqen kill the Tickler, robbing Arya of her greatest kill scene | ||
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0x64
Finland4632 Posts
Anyone else think those Frey who disapeared were cooked in the pies he serves in winterfell? He asks for the rat cook song to be played. 3 Freys had disapears and the book emphasizes on the 3 pies, I don't remember the details. Also the fight was a bit unclear between frey's and manderly, I though manderly got his throat open (so scared JRRTGRRM would kill him just for the lols). No, that guy is a superhero in the making. | ||
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0x64
Finland4632 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:49 Kyuukyuu wrote: I don't think they'll have Shae's betrayal, even though that is a pretty big part of Tyrion's later development. Since there isn't a good way to do exposition, viewers won't know anything about Tysha (or I think he might have talked about it once in the first episode or something), and they've made Shae into a much more sympathetic character, so I've a feeling Tysha/Shae will be merged into one. Show Shae seems to actually care about Tyrion. I'm thinking Tywin will find out and have her killed or shipped off somewhere and that will replace the "where do whores go?" bits in ADWD. IMO worst part of season 2 was having Jaqen kill the Tickler, robbing Arya of her greatest kill scene On the other hand, the Jaqen kills were more epic than the weasel soup. | ||
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Zealotdriver
United States1557 Posts
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marttorn
Norway5211 Posts
On December 02 2012 08:49 Kyuukyuu wrote: IMO worst part of season 2 was having Jaqen kill the Tickler, robbing Arya of her greatest kill scene Agreed so much, while I liked Jaqen overall in S2, Arya killing the tickler was probably the most satisfying death in the whole of the series, possibly with the exception of the Epilogue to DwD. I just love Varys so so so much, and having him re-appear like that after disappearing since SoS was more than gratifying. He's got a crossbow! I love it! | ||
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vaL4r
Germany240 Posts
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Irrelevant Label
United States596 Posts
In terms of the progression of events you would start at book 3, Storm of Swords, but a lot of details and a few "who is who"s would come out of nowhere and the story lines of Arya and Dany would not add up too well for you. It's probably safest to just start at the beginning, but if you do want to skip then book 1 is easier since it's differences were only a matter of details and few of the "who is who" issues. | ||
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