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Sofestafont
United States83 Posts
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
On November 22 2011 08:39 killa_robot wrote: I'd say Dale is neutral good, if he was lawful he would have told everyone about the zombies by now. Glen also belongs in neutral good (like someone else said). You know its sad when the women have such a small role that you don't even feel the need to mention any of them. Also quoting posts makes you see the spoilers  Yeah, it's not that i don't want to put them into better roles, but they don't seemingly fit into any of the roles yet. Hell putting T-dog anywhere was kind of hard enough, since he's pretty small role too. Lori is kind of meh, I'd say she's mostly neutral Good, but when it comes to her kid she'll shift into Chaotic Good. Andrea right now is starting to move into the Neutral Good portion with Glen as she starts to become more useful, but up until then she was with T-dog being kind of neutral, just a meh on the side, do what she needs to do to survive, but not really take anyone's side on things. Sophia's Mom (i don't even know her name lol) is kind of a blip and has had really no other character development, I know she's on the good side, just dunno where she falls as she has no real personality. Sophia is well, sophia, she's just neutral as well, knows little to nothing and hasn't got a personality either. Maggie is probably the most developed female character really, and she's swinging from Lawful Neutral towards more Neutral Good, mostly due to Glen's influence. Also, yeah sorry to see quoting something throws in the spoilers for you to read >.< luckily i don't think my spoilers actually tell anything bad, just places/events of the future? Also regarding Maggie being racist, that's kind of stretching it, did she actually kill that walker? We saw her hit it, and knock it out, but I don't think they clearly showed her killing it. If it is about killing them, I think it's about doing what is necessary to save people, the people in the BARN specifically are people she knows, she knows them ALL by name, her neighbors, her mother, her brother in law, etc. That's why they are keeping them alive, because they feel they're not a threat, AND they're recognizable people. The horseback killed zombie, and the pharmacy zombie are both threats, AND nobodies to her. I don't think she's being played off as a racist, she is in turmoil about dating Glen not because of his RACE, but because she knows her father won't approve of her being with someone from another group, AND she's torn about what to do when/if the atlanta group is forced to leave who she would stay with, leave and follow Glen, or stay and be with her father. It has nothing to do with race. | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1715 Posts
On November 22 2011 04:35 Pyskee wrote: Yep. I also watched Dexter right before it (if you don't watch Dexter, he's is a blood spatter analyst) so I just thought what he would say XD Also, I don't have a kid, but no way in Hell would I let him fire a weapon at that age. How old is that kid? Like 10? And I love how his mom takes a whole sentence to be convinced. I don't give a shit if he's in a zombie apocalypse, if he wants to stay safe he needs to get behind me and shut up. we thought about this too after watching the ep. and we just watched dexter too... hmmm... no blodd spatter! | ||
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unkkz
Norway2196 Posts
The only interesting part has been Shane. We've seen who he really is now, we expected him to simply be an ass in the start wanting to shoot Rick but now we know that's not all there is to it, he will do anything to survive... anything. He wants to stop looking for the girl, he sacrificed Otis so he could live himself(It wasn't for Carl). We've also seen the redneck develop a little bit to be more good then we initially thought but that's all for interesting story and character development. The other peoples story archs consist of whining and moaning over problems they all have for several episodes and just walking around being helpless or doing various dumb things. Also to the comic people: are the women being deciphed as being this useless and dumb in the comic aswell? Andrea may finally get some use but, took a long ass time and i bet she'll still be a complete idiot but atleast a usefull idiot. Something needs to move the story forward next episode, either the barn, they leave, Rick and Shane settle things or whatever since it's all grown extremelly stagnant. Atm it's like Falling Skies with zombies instead of aliens, just people complaining. | ||
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NobleDog
United States65 Posts
This season is now as long as the first season. Compare the two and it's hard to be satisfied with S2's development. Even for a soap opera, it's stuck. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
The atlanta arch was the first season, which they managed to somehow squeeze in both a cholo hospital, AND a CDC episode... which weren't in the book (so they seemingly stretched it as well) Now they're doing the Greene Farm sub arch and stretching it this section. I'm pretty sure this mid season finale is going to conclude both the barn, and their relationship with the Greene's one way or the other. Which hopefully pushes us to the next story arch, which in my opinion, is one of the best, + Show Spoiler + but with so many kids already gone from the storyline/not included, I think it's going to be much more timid than in the comics. So people who are saying this season is moving slower than the previous season, is wrong, it's basically moving at the same pace, with just as much filler, but in season one they actually deviated more from the comics with the whole vatos, merle, and CDC parts becoming completely fabricated. This season we have the well zombie, and the school, and sophia parts being fabricated/dragged on instead. basically same amount of filler, but people are complaining because in season 1, you saw more zombies being blown apart, and now you're being forced to learn the characters instead of watching non-stop PvZ (people vs zombie) action. Get over it, but at least next episode you'll get at least some zombie action it seems from the previews. | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
On November 22 2011 11:03 Kazeyonoma wrote: my guess is they're trying to do each 6 episode season (and season 2 is 12+ episodes hence the mid season finale coming up in episode 7?) as each sub arch in the comics. The atlanta arch was the first season, which they managed to somehow squeeze in both a cholo hospital, AND a CDC episode... which weren't in the book (so they seemingly stretched it as well) Now they're doing the Greene Farm sub arch and stretching it this section. I'm pretty sure this mid season finale is going to conclude both the barn, and their relationship with the Greene's one way or the other. Which hopefully pushes us to the next story arch, which in my opinion, is one of the best, + Show Spoiler + but with so many kids already gone from the storyline/not included, I think it's going to be much more timid than in the comics. So people who are saying this season is moving slower than the previous season, is wrong, it's basically moving at the same pace, with just as much filler, but in season one they actually deviated more from the comics with the whole vatos, merle, and CDC parts becoming completely fabricated. This season we have the well zombie, and the school, and sophia parts being fabricated/dragged on instead. basically same amount of filler, but people are complaining because in season 1, you saw more zombies being blown apart, and now you're being forced to learn the characters instead of watching non-stop PvZ (people vs zombie) action. Get over it, but at least next episode you'll get at least some zombie action it seems from the previews. What you say sounds interesting, and about right. But really, this show IS moving slowly. And I don't think people really have a problem with the drama (I don't). But I remember reading how the execs at AMA wanted to save money by cutting down the zombies in the show and this is really apparent. Some episodes have 1 zombie scene and it's usually forced or lame. I think people could handle the extra drama if there was a little bit more in the way of zombies. And despite what people have said about it echoing the comics fairly well, I still feel this is because of the budget cuts per episode. | ||
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NobleDog
United States65 Posts
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theboyrmca
27 Posts
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Paraclete
United States100 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:44 Kazeyonoma wrote: barnes and nobles should have them especially now that the show has taken off, comic stores are more likely to have it than small book stores though. So in looking more indepth at the characters, I've wanted to do some kind of generalizations of the characters as I believe the writers may be doing the same. Feel free to discuss/argue/call me stupid for my decisions here but I'm looking for reasoning as well as feedback. Lawful Good = Rick / Dale Neutral Good = Daryl / Glen Chaotic Good = Shane Lawful Neutral = Hershel Neutral = T-dog Chaotic Neutral = Merle Lawful Evil = + Show Spoiler + Later in the comics, the leader of Woodbury, Brian Blake Neutral Evil = + Show Spoiler + The prisoners in the comics Chaotic Evil = Zombies These alignment assessments you did makes me really wanna play Neverwinter Nights/Kotor  On topic, I think the quality of the episodes has improved a TON throughout the last few. I feel they started out in the slump they ended with in season one, but now they are back on track much like they were in the beginning of the first season. | ||
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Mordiford
4448 Posts
On November 22 2011 06:07 Criptos wrote: People that haven't REALLY REALLY need to go read the comics. I'm enjoying the show for the most part, but the comics are 1000x better. I'm going to have to disagree with you in terms of the comics being exponentially better, though your numerical assignment was no doubt a hyperbole, the suggestion that the comics, at least at the stage we're at now are much better than the show is one I don't agree with. At this point in the comics, there was much compelling stuff going on either and the stuff later on can only really be judged once the show gets there. While the comics are definitely worth reading, they don't trump the show in terms of quality. I suggested to someone else who said something similar to re-read the comparative chapters, while more succinct because of the ease of the medium, the overall quality of the story and depth of the characters is no better than what has been seen in the show. The show overall has done a pretty good job of maintaining the quality and basic story of the comics. Now, a tall order will be coming pretty soon and that's where the show may struggle, probably the best arc in the entire comic series so far is soon to follow in the story and AMC has their work cut out for them in translating it to television. Those who have read the comics know what I'm talking about, I'm hoping the show can continue to deliver and hopefully improve on some of it's short comics as we reach the high point of the comics. | ||
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dazed
Canada191 Posts
On November 22 2011 12:15 Mordiford wrote: I'm going to have to disagree with you in terms of the comics being exponentially better, though your numerical assignment was no doubt a hyperbole, the suggestion that the comics, at least at the stage we're at now are much better than the show is one I don't agree with. At this point in the comics, there was much compelling stuff going on either and the stuff later on can only really be judged once the show gets there. While the comics are definitely worth reading, they don't trump the show in terms of quality. I suggested to someone else who said something similar to re-read the comparative chapters, while more succinct because of the ease of the medium, the overall quality of the story and depth of the characters is no better than what has been seen in the show. The show overall has done a pretty good job of maintaining the quality and basic story of the comics. Now, a tall order will be coming pretty soon and that's where the show may struggle, probably the best arc in the entire comic series so far is soon to follow in the story and AMC has their work cut out for them in translating it to television. Those who have read the comics know what I'm talking about, I'm hoping the show can continue to deliver and hopefully improve on some of it's short comics as we reach the high point of the comics. I agree that the comic and tv series upto the story so far is comparable. But you've got to realize that the tv series will never live up to its comic counterpart in the upcoming prison arc. Everything that made the prison arc so great in the comic won't make it onto television. It's just way too graphic and hardcore for tv. Comic question for you + Show Spoiler + Is T-dog and Tyrese the same person? Tyrese is a total badass in the comic but T-dog is a total wimp and gets no air time. | ||
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a_carpenter1
United States2 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/KFM8S.jpg) Made this because his face was perfect for it. Enjoy! | ||
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theBALLS
Singapore2935 Posts
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purecarnagge
719 Posts
in the comics there is alot more...alot more sexual activities... so the whole andrea/shane thing stems from that I think. | ||
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Nekovivie
United Kingdom2599 Posts
I don't like Dale either, he seems way too interested in other peoples business. I don't like people like that. | ||
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Chrispy
Canada5878 Posts
Comics = 10x better yay or nay? | ||
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saocyn
United States937 Posts
On November 23 2011 16:57 Chrispy wrote: Do you guys recommend reading the comics? I'm fairly interested in this show but all this pregnancy blah blah my daddy dun want me to date you drama is kind of wearing me down and I bet the comic has a lot less of that and a lot more of bad ass running away from zombies. Comics = 10x better yay or nay? imho, yes. the writer has complete control of the story line and plot unlike the tv show where it's edited and new scenes are put in / chapters are expanded at the discretion of the director. the pace of the show like i've stated before is probably 10x slower than the pace of the comic. it essentially takes 2 seasons to even get through 10 chapters of the comic, to those who don't read the comic this is not noticeable because of how well the show is being produced but there are alot of unrelated filler and scenes in the show that don't ever appear in the comic. almost everything in the comic leads up to some bigger drama. | ||
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PhiliBiRD
United States2643 Posts
On November 23 2011 00:12 Nekovivie wrote: Thought the zombie encounter in the chemist was odd..especially when they thought it safe enough to have sex there previously. I don't like Dale either, he seems way too interested in other peoples business. I don't like people like that. yea, and its silly to not secure a location where you let your guard down. | ||
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Logo
United States7542 Posts
The characters are now starting to get back in line with their comic counterparts and I think (I hope) it'll be easier to move along again from here on out. Everything seems properly setup now for what's coming next. | ||
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