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Discussing the show and past episodes is fine. Do not put things that have happened in the TV series in spoilers. However, don't spoil things from the books that may happen in future episodes. Put book spoilers in spoiler tags with a CLEAR WARNING that it is from the book.
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
February 18 2013 17:16 GMT
#6021
^

+ Show Spoiler +
Sad though that Andrea won't that sweet-ass scar though
TealHorseman
Profile Joined September 2012
36 Posts
February 18 2013 18:39 GMT
#6022
The headshots are made to slow moving targets from 2 meters. The shootout was at 150m+ with people taking cover in the grass and behind buildings. Seemed legit to me apart from the governor.
Alay
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States660 Posts
February 18 2013 18:50 GMT
#6023
On February 19 2013 03:39 TealHorseman wrote:
Seemed legit to me apart from the governor.


He very much seems to not give many fucks any more. I think he's starting to really go full-crazy vendetta now.
Vesimias
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland135 Posts
February 18 2013 18:53 GMT
#6024
It makes me laugh when I see people complain how the survivors hit zombies and not other humans and how untrained they are. You should remember, that Shane and Rick taught them to shoot on season 2. Also if you tried shooting at an enemy who is shooting back at you from long range, you can't be expected to hit them. Zombies are easy to shoot at because 1. They are closer 2. They don't shoot back so you can concentrate better.

As for the episode I'm kind of sad they killed Axel off, he was starting to develop in a nice way. But otherwise the episode was pretty good. It's gonna be interesting to see what they will do now that the gate is taken down and the zombies can just walk right into the courtyard.
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Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 18 2013 18:54 GMT
#6025
On February 19 2013 03:39 TealHorseman wrote:
The headshots are made to slow moving targets from 2 meters. The shootout was at 150m+ with people taking cover in the grass and behind buildings. Seemed legit to me apart from the governor.


No, it's not about the difference in headshots, it's about being able to headshot at all. You honestly can't believe an entire group of civilians (bar Rick) who've probably only been in the apocalypse for a year at most are all able to headshot zombies with perfect accuracy when Andrea was shitting herself to begin with in season one even though Shane was teaching her. It's not that easy.
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TomatoShark
Profile Joined August 2011
United States288 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 19:01:38
February 18 2013 19:00 GMT
#6026
I just don't understand how axel got shot from basically the far fence entrance with a steyr aug in the head. then everybody starts shooting and missing pretty much everyshot.
Gosi
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Sweden9072 Posts
February 18 2013 19:02 GMT
#6027
Why didn't they ask the other group for help with information about how they even came into the prision and then again help with holding the prison cuz they are short on men?

Anyway, I didn't really like this episode either. Too bad that it was so good and exciting before the season break and now it went down again... :/
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Vesimias
Profile Joined July 2012
Finland135 Posts
February 18 2013 19:11 GMT
#6028
On February 19 2013 04:00 TomatoShark wrote:
I just don't understand how axel got shot from basically the far fence entrance with a steyr aug in the head. then everybody starts shooting and missing pretty much everyshot.

Well Governor is clearly skilled with guns and it was the starting shot so he could aim properly. Ofc it's still pretty hard to hit, but still a lot easier when you aren't getting shot at.
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SpikeStarcraft
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany2095 Posts
February 18 2013 19:15 GMT
#6029
On February 19 2013 04:11 Vesimias wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 04:00 TomatoShark wrote:
I just don't understand how axel got shot from basically the far fence entrance with a steyr aug in the head. then everybody starts shooting and missing pretty much everyshot.

Well Governor is clearly skilled with guns and it was the starting shot so he could aim properly. Ofc it's still pretty hard to hit, but still a lot easier when you aren't getting shot at.


the governor didnt even take cover he just stood there and was firing all over the place. He wasnt even aiming, it was more like he wanted to scare people off from firing.. or in other words.. wasting bullets..
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10138 Posts
February 18 2013 19:23 GMT
#6030
On February 19 2013 03:54 Blisse wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 03:39 TealHorseman wrote:
The headshots are made to slow moving targets from 2 meters. The shootout was at 150m+ with people taking cover in the grass and behind buildings. Seemed legit to me apart from the governor.


No, it's not about the difference in headshots, it's about being able to headshot at all. You honestly can't believe an entire group of civilians (bar Rick) who've probably only been in the apocalypse for a year at most are all able to headshot zombies with perfect accuracy when Andrea was shitting herself to begin with in season one even though Shane was teaching her. It's not that easy.


Have you ever shot a weapon ? It's fairly possible to do consistent headshots for a person who has been "training" for 6 months against zombies at short distance. You guys are looking it the wrong way.

Hell, i could headshot every single shot at 100m on static targets, 10 metters ? with a pistol ? ezpz.
rezoacken
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada2719 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 19:39:32
February 18 2013 19:33 GMT
#6031
I'm really not a fan of the glenn-maggie drama; I feel its out of place and just annoying.

I was finally happy that Laurie died since she was almost ruining the serie for me (both as a character and in acting) with all her drama BS. I'm not wanting this to come back -.-

Overall it was kind of a meh episode for me. The shooting scene felt pretty average and I think I'm getting tired of Zombies not being scary at all anymore.
It's like... when they speak about Walkers they shit their pants but when they actually encounter them they just steamroll them like it's nothing.
Either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.
politik
Profile Joined September 2010
409 Posts
February 18 2013 19:44 GMT
#6032
On February 19 2013 04:33 rezoacken wrote:
I'm really not a fan of the glenn-maggie drama; I feel its out of place and just annoying.

I was finally happy that Laurie died since she was almost ruining the serie for me (both as a character and in acting) with all her drama BS. I'm not wanting this to come back -.-

Overall it was kind of a meh episode for me. The shooting scene felt pretty average and I think I'm getting tired of Zombies not being scary at all anymore.
It's like... when they speak about Walkers they shit their pants but when they actually encounter them they just steamroll them like it's nothing.


Maybe I'm insensitive, but I think it's ridiculous to be so traumatized from mild sexual assault while living in a horrific nightmare world where you have to fight for your life on a daily basis and regularly see your friends and family torn apart and eaten alive.
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 20:18:29
February 18 2013 20:17 GMT
#6033
On February 19 2013 01:46 hjop wrote:

Oh my fucking god, by reading this you must be an absolute genius and I can't wait for you to start writing a series!!! This theoretical series of yours must be the best thing to have ever come across this planet since the internet itself. What are you waiting for? You really should start writing, if you really are as good as this you'd have no problem convincing an HBO to film your show.


i'm torn between desires to either ignore this completely or laugh at it because it is such an absurd non-sequitur. have to be better than TWD and find a middle ground!

to the guy who asked why people who "hate" the show so much are still watching, not only does the concept of hatewatching exist but also there's usually 10-15 minutes in every episode that justify the time. similarly, in a wasteland of trite and often unbelievable character drama, the writing that is on point stands out all the more, like how glenn and maggie's fallout from woodbury is pretty well done even though it isn't much fun for me to watch glenn be an asshole because I know there's no long-term plan for him to stay that way. daryl (and...maybe merle?) are always going to be the right-hand men for killing people and dead people unless TWD has the balls to kill off daryl.
Agnosthar
Profile Joined August 2010
631 Posts
February 18 2013 20:18 GMT
#6034
I actually quite liked this episode.
I'm looking forward to see how Merle works with Rick in the upcoming episodes. Hopefully his crazytown trip has ended now.

The only thing bugging me, and perhaps I lack basic human emotion/empathy here, but I don't understand the Glenn and Maggie drama at all! Why are they not getting along? When Maggie told him she didn't get raped, and then said, "does that make you feel better?" saying yes seemed like it would have been the wrong answer, yet surely that would be the correct response? Basically I don't understand the hostility, and from a viewing perspective I'm not a huge fan of its inclusion in this season.

Blisse
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Canada3710 Posts
February 18 2013 20:23 GMT
#6035
My theory is either that Maggie was willing to be raped for Glenn and Glenn seems to have overlooked the idea of comforting her or talking to her about it, or that Maggie doesn't like this kind of overly aggressive and angry Glenn that acts without thinking about how she would feel about it since they're in a relationship and she depends on him.

I wish they would've made this more obvious.
There is no one like you in the universe.
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
February 18 2013 20:29 GMT
#6036
I don't get why people are flipping out about the engagement with the governor. You can't have that many people killed in a series for obvious plot reasons. It seemed realistic to me, and I have been to Afghanistan. Believe me I've seen some ANA who stand around blasting their guns like the Governor thinking they are invincible and most times they are lucky and don't get shot.
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
February 18 2013 20:33 GMT
#6037
To go back the unrealistic things people should be pointing out is when Maggie just ran out into the open and hid behind the file cabinet. I cringed so hard thinking she would die because she and glenn where the only romantic couple I liked in the series. Rifles easily penetrate file cabinets, they are much lighter in material than cars.
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
February 18 2013 20:37 GMT
#6038
On February 19 2013 05:17 TheExile19 wrote:
to the guy who asked why people who "hate" the show so much are still watching, not only does the concept of hatewatching exist but also there's usually 10-15 minutes in every episode that justify the time. similarly, in a wasteland of trite and often unbelievable character drama, the writing that is on point stands out all the more, like how glenn and maggie's fallout from woodbury is pretty well done even though it isn't much fun for me to watch glenn be an asshole because I know there's no long-term plan for him to stay that way. daryl (and...maybe merle?) are always going to be the right-hand men for killing people and dead people unless TWD has the balls to kill off daryl.

Please take your "hatewatching" elsewhere, then.
TheExile19
Profile Joined June 2011
513 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-18 20:49:12
February 18 2013 20:43 GMT
#6039
On February 19 2013 05:37 Conti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 19 2013 05:17 TheExile19 wrote:
to the guy who asked why people who "hate" the show so much are still watching, not only does the concept of hatewatching exist but also there's usually 10-15 minutes in every episode that justify the time. similarly, in a wasteland of trite and often unbelievable character drama, the writing that is on point stands out all the more, like how glenn and maggie's fallout from woodbury is pretty well done even though it isn't much fun for me to watch glenn be an asshole because I know there's no long-term plan for him to stay that way. daryl (and...maybe merle?) are always going to be the right-hand men for killing people and dead people unless TWD has the balls to kill off daryl.

Please take your "hatewatching" elsewhere, then.


no one's forcing you to read my posts, son.

maybe you can go find an echo chamber free of any sort of criticism or higher thinking on the AMC forums or something
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
February 18 2013 20:50 GMT
#6040
On February 18 2013 15:56 TheExile19 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2013 14:11 Xivsa wrote:

Narrative weight. So the ideal episode for you is all drama, all the time? Andrea is practically an incarnation of drama writ large and baffling, as you point out, but that's a detriment apparently. The episode had the group struggling to get by without Rick, Rick struggling to get by, Daryl and Merle touching on their childhood and rejoining the gang, and Hershel hopping around trying to keep everyone's shit together for them. Andrea's role was mostly to serve up the governor misdirecting us before launching his assault on the prison. And the episode delivered on the action end as well.

Rick and Glenn will sort themselves out. While Rick especially is waxing melodramatically, neither are damaging to the show. Andrea can be described as baffling, but at least it's somewhat consistent stretching back to Shane. She's in Woodbury for a variety of reasons - her old group abandoned her, she really wants to believe there's a future for the town as shown by her speeches last episode, and I guess the weird connection she has with the governor. You're not really criticizing the episode, but explaining some of the different plot strands in your post.


- I want "all drama, all the time"? what? this show is consistently at its worst when it's steeped in what serves as character drama, but the growing issue is that as rick's group becomes more and more adept at killing zombies and ekeing out an existence, there is no choice but to slowly shift the focus further inward towards the character motivations at play, and what becomes more and more clear every episode is that there are no real characters that can carry this series. they're just people, often boring people, stuck in a zombie apocalypse and it makes launching any serious character arcs impossible. that's before you get into how often the writing and direction from scene to scene undermines the ability to take what we do get to see seriously. take the continuing glenn drama for example, specifically the scene with herschel outside the prison. in this episode, glenn and the actor playing him are given the lines and the position of a silly child arguing with his elder. at absolutely no point are we allowed to imagine that glenn will actually go out and make good on his impotent rage, because at the beginning of the scene he explicitly tells herschel he won't. we then go on to a few minutes of utterly pointless restatements of the last episode: glenn is mad. herschel is disapproving. later, we get to see the exact same point-by-point recreation between glenn and maggie, except that maggie tells glenn what a shithead he's being, and it's fairly clear that the show agrees with her. okay, I guess glenn's just randomly an asshole, I guess it helps him show leadership qualities and pretend there's something going on here.

- if you can't see that andrea drama is categorically empty drama, I don't really know what to say. "baffling" also isn't a positive character trait, and its consistency of being negative doesn't make it positive. if she was stupid to prove a point, like the show cared one way or the other, it'd be different but it's not, the writers just think we need someone to humanize the governor who is batshit crazypants and no amount of andrea stockholm syndrome changes that.

- tepid discussion and glenn being mad isn't "struggling to get by". almost nothing happened this episode, which I am beginning to suspect is an issue that's endemic to the comic main plot where I'm just going to assume that nothing happening to spin out the main plot and sell more issues is a major factor. daryl and merle was cool, but predictable, and honestly we're still seeing some retention of unnecessary drama in that daryl didn't just put a bolt in merle's face when he was menacing relative innocents. rick did nothing all episode, and I mean almost literally nothing. we, the audience, already knew he was crazy and seeing lori...the only thing that happened of any import that originated from him was telling herschel, and that went absolutely nowhere as well.

- not...criticizing? wow. I guess I need to start burning robert kirkman in effigy.

just curious, when I go point by point and say "rick was boring because..." "glenn was mad but was still boring and stupid because..." and you don't actively disagree with me, you just say I'm summing up the show, have you internalized how awful these characters are while just asking me to deal with it? because as the action gets more standard and keeps slowing down, it is impossible for me to deal with it without making obnoxiously long posts on forums for the purpose of catharsis and shared mocking.



The other guy summed it up well when he said you ought to have your own show made. When I asked what you'd rather see instead of the show that's been produced, you flippantly said that you're not producing the show therefore it's not your job to offer any ideas. It's hard to argue with your categorical complaining when there's no path or direction forward for the show, or these arguments, to take when anything proposed isn't good enough or what the show is doing is too laughable.

It's not I'm internalizing the awfulness of the show but rather that I appreciate it for what it is. You hinted at it yourself, saying the show is about people, boring people, in a zombie apocalypse. That's basically it - it isn't a show with some overarching save-the-world mantra running through it, there's no cure waiting to be found, there's no ultimate bad guy who needs to die. It's about these various people trying to survive. And all the crazy, dumb, boring, talkative bullshit they do in the process. Apparently that's not a good reason to make a comic, much less a show, for you but the sooner you accept that, the sooner your "obnoxiously long posts" can be shortened.
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